Glass Ass: The OFFICIAL JGlass Thread

Although I disagree that dating Samantha didn't seem foreign. To the people living in that world, perhaps not (although even Rooney Mara scoffed at the idea). But from the perspective of the viewer, I thought it was made clear how wrong it was. Sure, it was cute for a while. But when post-verbal communication, cyber-polygamy, and your girlfriend ascending to a higher plain of consciousness are in the cards, it's clear we humans need to slow our roll and connect with some actual people.

Spoilers so as not to ruin the movie for anyone that hasn't seen it.

I was thinking about that specifically today, and while I think your point is valid, I saw that more as sort of a disconnect that could end a relationship rather than this sign of how unnatural their love was. Samantha was different from Theodore, of course, but that's true of any relationship. That's one of the things I loved about the movie (in my reading). Yes, it was a story about a man in love with an AI, but it was still a love story. As such, yes, Samantha's differences that ended the relationship were pretty bizarre, but most relationships that end come to an end because of irreconcilable differences.

It was a story about a boy and a girl that fall in love and then break up. He was closed off emotionally and was unable to deal with negative emotions, and sure, she was a computer program that could simultaneously engage in several thousand different conversations and feel love for several hundred different people... but it was still a story about a boy and a girl that fall in love and break up.

Services like the one Theodore worked for and the internet chatroom he used at the beginning serve only to disconnect us from our feelings and those around us. Amidst all the futuristic hijinks and the real emotions involved in Theodore's relationship with Samantha, I never lost sight of how wrong the relationship was for Theodore, taking that disconnected society one step farther. This wasn't a movie about a man and his computer. It was a movie about how a computer can never replace what we get from a living, breathing person.

Same old story about man's need to reach out for intimacy. Just told in a new, fun, intimate way. And in that sense, Samantha always seemed foreign and unnatural to me.

That's not the reading I got, but like I said before, it's perfectly valid.

How I read it was that humanity has constantly found ways to improve on social interaction by making it easier to interact with someone without ever having to leave your home. From sending letters to the telephone to email to social networking to video chatting... all of these are ways to interact with people, and you never even have to see them in person. Through these mediums complex relationships evolve, ranging from friendship to romantic relationships. Who are we to say that a romantic relationship cultivated through these non-traditional mediums are any less valid than ones created through more traditional ones simply because there is no physical interaction?

Her takes that a step further, because not only is there no physical interaction, but the two members of the relationship are programmed (both figuratively and literally) differently, causing an interesting divide. The result? They have a pretty normal relationship. They fall in love, have sex, share their deepest thoughts and feelings, fight, reconcile, go on vacations, go on dates, discover everything that makes them the same and everything that makes them different... and then when they realize their differences are insurmountable, they break up.

We've somehow gotten it in our heads as humans that any relationship that doesn't end in death is a failure, but that's simply not true. Relationships force us to grow as people and change in ways we likely never imagined changing, and that's exactly what happened to both Theodore and Samantha in their relationship, and I think you'll agree that both of them are likely better for having their relationship. What's unnatural about that?

Well, after talking about that film in Communications class and reading that review, I'm convinced. Will have to go see it.

Of all the people who should see this movie, I think the creative force behind Erin Toyota would stand to learn a lot from it!
 
Spoilers so as not to ruin the movie for anyone that hasn't seen it.

I was thinking about that specifically today, and while I think your point is valid, I saw that more as sort of a disconnect that could end a relationship rather than this sign of how unnatural their love was. Samantha was different from Theodore, of course, but that's true of any relationship. That's one of the things I loved about the movie (in my reading). Yes, it was a story about a man in love with an AI, but it was still a love story. As such, yes, Samantha's differences that ended the relationship were pretty bizarre, but most relationships that end come to an end because of irreconcilable differences.

It was a story about a boy and a girl that fall in love and then break up. He was closed off emotionally and was unable to deal with negative emotions, and sure, she was a computer program that could simultaneously engage in several thousand different conversations and feel love for several hundred different people... but it was still a story about a boy and a girl that fall in love and break up.



That's not the reading I got, but like I said before, it's perfectly valid.

How I read it was that humanity has constantly found ways to improve on social interaction by making it easier to interact with someone without ever having to leave your home. From sending letters to the telephone to email to social networking to video chatting... all of these are ways to interact with people, and you never even have to see them in person. Through these mediums complex relationships evolve, ranging from friendship to romantic relationships. Who are we to say that a romantic relationship cultivated through these non-traditional mediums are any less valid than ones created through more traditional ones simply because there is no physical interaction?

Her takes that a step further, because not only is there no physical interaction, but the two members of the relationship are programmed (both figuratively and literally) differently, causing an interesting divide. The result? They have a pretty normal relationship. They fall in love, have sex, share their deepest thoughts and feelings, fight, reconcile, go on vacations, go on dates, discover everything that makes them the same and everything that makes them different... and then when they realize their differences are insurmountable, they break up.

We've somehow gotten it in our heads as humans that any relationship that doesn't end in death is a failure, but that's simply not true. Relationships force us to grow as people and change in ways we likely never imagined changing, and that's exactly what happened to both Theodore and Samantha in their relationship, and I think you'll agree that both of them are likely better for having their relationship. What's unnatural about that?
I will ponder all of this. I don't think your interpretation is necessarily invalid. You make compelling points, especially the bit about irreconcilable differences and all relationships helping us grow. But as someone who coped poorly with incredible distance placed between himself and other people by technology and geography, and experienced extreme closeness without the aid of technology, my heart just say "no, it's wrong." It's certainly challenging. And I think my life experience and the way my relationships shape me informs my view that a Theodore-Samantha-esque relationship can't be healthy in the long term.

I could liken it to my incredibly negative view of long distance relationships, where I just don't think it's healthy to be so separated from the one you allegedly love. This problem is compounded here by Samantha's lack of physical form, different perception of time, ability to carry on thousands of interactions at once, and eventually the fact that she's on a completely different plain of consciousness. Putting so much into a relationship with someone so far away closes you off to so much of the possibility and experience of the life going on around you. I genuinely think the movie ending with Theodore and Amy Adams on the rooftop speaks to the possibility and grandness of the real world and having a person physically there with you.

Perhaps my view is a result of some level of emotional immaturity I have. I lack the self-awareness to say for certain. I could read it either way.

Sorry for all the words. The person I went to see the film with despised it, so I haven't really had much of a chance to gush and ponder aloud yet.
 
I also made this post about my opinions on the Oscar nominations.

http://otakudome.com/archives/oscar-nominations-are-out-jonny-glassmans-thoughts-on-the-nominees

I will ponder all of this. I don't think your interpretation is necessarily invalid. You make compelling points, especially the bit about irreconcilable differences and all relationships helping us grow. But as someone who coped poorly with incredible distance placed between himself and other people by technology and geography, and experienced extreme closeness without the aid of technology, my heart just say "no, it's wrong." It's certainly challenging. And I think my life experience and the way my relationships shape me informs my view that a Theodore-Samantha-esque relationship can't be healthy in the long term.

I could liken it to my incredibly negative view of long distance relationships, where I just don't think it's healthy to be so separated from the one you allegedly love. This problem is compounded here by Samantha's lack of physical form, different perception of time, ability to carry on thousands of interactions at once, and eventually the fact that she's on a completely different plain of consciousness. Putting so much into a relationship with someone so far away closes you off to so much of the possibility and experience of the life going on around you. I genuinely think the movie ending with Theodore and Amy Adams on the rooftop speaks to the possibility and grandness of the real world and having a person physically there with you.

Perhaps my view is a result of some level of emotional immaturity I have. I lack the self-awareness to say for certain. I could read it either way.

Sorry for all the words. The person I went to see the film with despised it, so I haven't really had much of a chance to gush and ponder aloud yet.

No need to apologize, I'm always happy to discuss film with intelligent people.

Perhaps this is one of those deals where the heart sees what it wants to see. For me, a hopelessly optimistic romantic that believe happiness and love can be found virtually anywhere, I saw this as a story about a man finding exactly the right kind of love he needed.

I tried to find a Vlogbrothers video about online romances, but I couldn't find it, so my words will have to suffice. I don't think online romances are right for everyone, but they are right for some people. You probably wouldn't count yourself amongst the people it is right for, and I don't count myself amongst those people either, but that doesn't mean there aren't people that online relationships make sense for. In the same vein, what Theodore and Samantha had probably didn't make sense for everybody, but it was great for the two of them. It allowed Samantha to learn how to experience the human condition (something she clearly longed for), and it allowed Theodore to move past his ex-wife and enjoy the new adventures life would provide for him.
 
I got round' to reading those comics.

Unfortunately for me, I did not realize that the synopsis on the back also provides the numerical order for the series. So I read the last book first, and was VERY fucking lost for a lot of it :lmao:

then I figured it out, and thoroughly enjoyed reading it in order
 
I got round' to reading those comics.

Unfortunately for me, I did not realize that the synopsis on the back also provides the numerical order for the series. So I read the last book first, and was VERY fucking lost for a lot of it :lmao:

then I figured it out, and thoroughly enjoyed reading it in order

Glad they could help your dwindling time in the mountains pass by a little quicker. If I remember correctly, some pretty awesome stuff happens in those books, including Warpath teaming up with Ghost Rider to fight an undead Demon Bear.

Doesn't hurt that that particular X-Force team is fucking awesome.
 

I'd recommend that you give The Hunt a watch. As I said in Coco's spam thread, it's a very straight-forward plot but delivered really well and makes you question the usually unquestionable. It's on UK Netflix so it should be on US Netflix too. Plus, Mads Mikkelsen is the lead and always tends to deliver the goods.

Valhalla Rising got a few poor reviews but the comparisons it received with 300 were incredibly wrong and probably harmed the expectations that some people had when seeing it. He's more than decent in The Pusher films though.
 
I finally got around to watching American Psycho. I'm about halfway through it and I'm still not entirely sure what it's about, but I think it's about how people cope with the general monotony of living.
 
No need to apologize, I'm always happy to discuss film with intelligent people.

Perhaps this is one of those deals where the heart sees what it wants to see. For me, a hopelessly optimistic romantic that believe happiness and love can be found virtually anywhere, I saw this as a story about a man finding exactly the right kind of love he needed.

I tried to find a Vlogbrothers video about online romances, but I couldn't find it, so my words will have to suffice. I don't think online romances are right for everyone, but they are right for some people. You probably wouldn't count yourself amongst the people it is right for, and I don't count myself amongst those people either, but that doesn't mean there aren't people that online relationships make sense for. In the same vein, what Theodore and Samantha had probably didn't make sense for everybody, but it was great for the two of them. It allowed Samantha to learn how to experience the human condition (something she clearly longed for), and it allowed Theodore to move past his ex-wife and enjoy the new adventures life would provide for him.
Your tolerance and open-mindedness is a credit to internet-dwellers everywhere.

Moving on, how awesome has the new season of Community been?!
 
Your tolerance and open-mindedness is a credit to internet-dwellers everywhere.

Moving on, how awesome has the new season of Community been?!

I am pretty great, aren't I?

The new season of Community has good, probably on par with the best of season 3, which is a good thing. It's not quite season one or two quality, but then again, what is?

My favorite episode so far this season is probably episode 2, mostly because I thought the interaction between Troy and Mike... er... Jonathan Bank's character was fucking hilarious.

"Are you the coolest person I know?"
"Not likely."

Plus, Jeff finding his strengths as a teacher was a nice moment. It will be fun to see him passing his Winger abilities on to a new generation of lawyers.

I'm not excited about Troy being written out for the time being, but I do approve of how they did it. I'm sure the next episode will be about Abed trying to cope, and that has potential.
 
So my best friend is getting married and he doesn't want too much for a bachelor party per se. Not sweat on me being the best man, saves me effort. We did however buy his ticket to the Royal Rumble. We didn't tell him and wanted to surprise him. So his fiance created a lie to get him to request off. We were gonna kidnap him the day before we left, like a legitimate kidnap (ski mashs, black hoodies, the works). Turns out he wasn't able to get off because he didn't want to go with his fiance on whatever lie she told him. So we needed to spill the beans and tell him. It sucked and he was "pissed". He was super thrilled about going to the Rumble and incredibly humbled and surprised that we would do that for him. It will be fun either way, but that kidnapping was going to be the highlight of my day.
 
So my best friend is getting married and he doesn't want too much for a bachelor party per se. Not sweat on me being the best man, saves me effort. We did however buy his ticket to the Royal Rumble. We didn't tell him and wanted to surprise him. So his fiance created a lie to get him to request off. We were gonna kidnap him the day before we left, like a legitimate kidnap (ski mashs, black hoodies, the works). Turns out he wasn't able to get off because he didn't want to go with his fiance on whatever lie she told him. So we needed to spill the beans and tell him. It sucked and he was "pissed". He was super thrilled about going to the Rumble and incredibly humbled and surprised that we would do that for him. It will be fun either way, but that kidnapping was going to be the highlight of my day.

Somehow I think he'd realize who was kidnapping him when he saw a beard poking out from underneath one of the skimasks.
 
I finally got around to watching American Psycho. I'm about halfway through it and I'm still not entirely sure what it's about, but I think it's about how people cope with the general monotony of living.

How is the movie? I assume you finished it. I've read the book about six times, but I have an irrational fear that the movie just won't do it for me. I've been putting it off for years. On the flip-side I've watched The Rules of Attraction several times, but only started reading the book about a week ago.

I think you're on the money with whatever it's supposed to mean though, the book is aggressively monotonous. Even more so, these guys are rich yuppies with almost nothing to strive for and no desires outside their reach, including people. It's all just stuff to them.
 
How is the movie? I assume you finished it. I've read the book about six times, but I have an irrational fear that the movie just won't do it for me. I've been putting it off for years. On the flip-side I've watched The Rules of Attraction several times, but only started reading the book about a week ago.

I think you're on the money with whatever it's supposed to mean though, the book is aggressively monotonous. Even more so, these guys are rich yuppies with almost nothing to strive for and no desires outside their reach, including people. It's all just stuff to them.

I haven't read the book, but I read a pretty detailed synopsis of it. I think the book focuses more on Bateman's intense hatred for yuppie culture, where in the movie he seems to almost embrace it, though I'd say that he embraces it despite himself.

I think there will definitely be a few things lost in translation between the book and the movie, but overall I think American Psycho is supposed to be considered a very faithful adaptation. If nothing else, I think you'll find that Christian Bale plays Patrick Bateman terrifyingly well.
 
I kidnapped a friend once - you should have seen his face!

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I haven't read the book, but I read a pretty detailed synopsis of it. I think the book focuses more on Bateman's intense hatred for yuppie culture, where in the movie he seems to almost embrace it, though I'd say that he embraces it despite himself.

I think there will definitely be a few things lost in translation between the book and the movie, but overall I think American Psycho is supposed to be considered a very faithful adaptation. If nothing else, I think you'll find that Christian Bale plays Patrick Bateman terrifyingly well.

I think a lot has to do with his mindset. He's kind of lost to human interaction, beyond getting something out of it. He's pretty indifferent to who's around him and how they behave in the book (and it's made pretty obvious through everyone getting names wrong). But his idea of culture is a wrong-and-right sort of competition. He's studied Vanity Fair and other magazines I can't remember and feels superior through following these rules. His whole focus is on hair, bodies, suits and business cards, the right water to drink etc. The hatred/embrace is likely less important than simply being the best at it.

I'll watch it soon enough. I always forget it was made in 2000, feels like its always been there. My only concern is that the whole book is in the guys head, and how they'll get all that across in the film. But alas, not knowing is half the fun.
 
I've heard the movie is very watered down compared to the shit he does in the book, supposedly they had to cut a bunch of shit out in order to get an R rating. I think the movie is fine though most of the people I know who read the book then saw the movie are not fans of the movie.
 
So there's this really great donut shop that's about a three minute walk from my house. They have what are commonly agreed to be the best donuts in Boston (though we're just outside Boston, technically), and the donuts definitely live up to their reputation. That's great for me because I go there once a week whenever I do laundry (the laundromat is next door) and get a delicious, albeit overpriced donut. Unfortunately, overpriced breakfast food attracts hipsters like shit attracts flies, and that resulted in me waiting far longer for my donut than I cared to in a line of mustachioed, plaid-wearing hipsters.

Speaking of doing laundry, I had a little bit of an event today at the laundromat. I was sitting there, waiting for my wash cycle to finish, reading my X-Men Omnibus when I noticed that the homeless guy in the corner was calling to me (homeless people frequently hang out in the laundromat). I walked over and sat down next to him and he told me that he loves Jesus and that he's trying to be a good Christian, at which point he asked me if I was Christian. I told him I wasn't, but he didn't seem to be too bothered by that. He then asked me for help, so I asked, "How can I help?" He told responded by saying however I thought I could. I said, "I don't know how I can help you. Is there something I can do for you?" To which he responded, "Hospital." So I attempted to call him an ambulance, but first he wanted to know why I wasn't a Christian.

At this point I knew I had two options: I could either tell him that I was raised Jewish, or I could tell him that I'm an atheist. I figured that he probably wasn't all right in the head (he was definitely drunk and had obviously been in a fight recently judging by the cuts by his eye), and crazy people can have crazy thoughts, such as anti-semitic thoughts. I didn't want to learn that this guy was an anti-semite, so I rolled with the latter option, telling him that I didn't believe in God. This blew his mind, and for a split second I think he was insulted, but after I explained to him that I think science has answered all the important questions for me, he deemed me a suitable candidate for calling him an ambulance.

So I called 911 and stayed on the line until the first responders got there, which turned out to be the Somerville fire department. They came in, and as I started to explain the situation to them, they told me that they know the guy, so apparently this guy has a bit of a habit of doing stuff like this. From what I could hear the first responders say, it sounded like they were going to ship him off to a hospital where he'd stay in the ER until he was stable, and then they would bounce him.

It's always an adventure at the laundromat. This actually the second time someone in my house has had to dial 911 for something happening at the laundromat. A couple of weeks ago one of my roommates had to call the police to break up a fight between a homeless couple. A few days later I saw them there back together, and I gave the lady a dollar to get her laundry started, at which point she offered me a beer... at 11 AM.

I think a lot has to do with his mindset. He's kind of lost to human interaction, beyond getting something out of it. He's pretty indifferent to who's around him and how they behave in the book (and it's made pretty obvious through everyone getting names wrong). But his idea of culture is a wrong-and-right sort of competition. He's studied Vanity Fair and other magazines I can't remember and feels superior through following these rules. His whole focus is on hair, bodies, suits and business cards, the right water to drink etc. The hatred/embrace is likely less important than simply being the best at it.

I'll watch it soon enough. I always forget it was made in 2000, feels like its always been there. My only concern is that the whole book is in the guys head, and how they'll get all that across in the film. But alas, not knowing is half the fun.

Let's just say that there are shades of Fight Club in American Psycho.

I'm about to post a sort of movie club thread about American Psycho for the website I post on. You should definitely watch the movie and comment on it.

I've heard the movie is very watered down compared to the shit he does in the book, supposedly they had to cut a bunch of shit out in order to get an R rating. I think the movie is fine though most of the people I know who read the book then saw the movie are not fans of the movie.

I would believe that the movie is watered down, but some pretty fucked up stuff still happens.
 
I've heard the movie is very watered down compared to the shit he does in the book, supposedly they had to cut a bunch of shit out in order to get an R rating. I think the movie is fine though most of the people I know who read the book then saw the movie are not fans of the movie.

No rat tunnels in the movie but that's probably for the best.

And yeh, some more of youse guys need to see The Hunt so that I can be sure it is actually a great film or argue with the naysayers. This evening I have spent what feels like equal time playing PES 2012 (I got it verrrry cheap) on the PS3 and arguing about Man United's current state while quite boozed.

To summarize, Berbatov is a fucking beast in PES and Moyes needs at least 2 years at United before he can be adequately judged.
 
Yeah, maybe he does need two years.

But he's still way out of his depth in a big team and always will be. Roberto Martinez has done more with Everton in 6 months than Moyes could ever dream. Turns out, it wasn't Moyes making Everton look better than they are, it was Moyes holding Everton back.
 
The point of its going to be a World Cup transfer window which means players who are just going to the World Cup will have ballooned fees will make it tough to buy players of good quality at a reasonable rate.

I won't deny that Everton look great at the moment but if Moyes needs two years then so do the other managers who have taken charge this year to firmly put their stamp on the team. Martinez performed a double coup with Barry and Lukaku but he inherited a very talented team that Moyes created which shouldn't be forgotten.
 

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