What do you think of Edge using the Sharpshooter? Is this all right because he is a Canadian? I personally would rather see him do his own thing, and leave the Sharpshooter for guys (or gals, and yes... I like Natalya using it) who are from Stu Hart's Dungeon. Have they really run out of submission holds to recycle (HBK and the Crippler Crossface???), or are they getting lazy? Yes, I know Edge used to use a variation of the Sharpshooter (Edgacator) back in the day, but is this really the right way to diversify his move set? Let me know what you think, and what other moves, if any, you would rather see him using.
Edge using the Sharpshooter?
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"Cool Guy" Jensen
Undertaker for Champ!
I don't mind Edge adding a submission move to his arsenal, but I really don't think that the ''Sharpshooter'' is the way to go. Did you see on Smackdown when Edge applied the Sharpshooter to Kofi Kingston. Edge didn't even try to make it seem like it hurt, his heart and sould wasn't put into the submission move at all. But kudos to Kofi Kingston for making it seem like a painful submission, but Edge didn't show the intensity he needed. The ''Edgecator'' on the other hand really fit Edge's character and I think that he should go back to using it. Sure the ''Spear'' is fine, but he really needs to add some more moves to his arsenal and a submission is the place to go.
AnthonyMango/NoFate007
A Post Is Worth A Thousand Words
I'd rather see Tyson Kidd adopt it as a signature move rather than Edge now that he's in the WWE. He already has the Hart Foundation upbringing and is banging a Neidhart. Since Teddy has no shot at being the top Hart in the newer group, you might as well give it to TJ Wilson.
Edge using the Sharpshooter in general though? I have no problem with it. He does it well. Its not the same as if you'd suddenly see Kozlov botching a Million Dollar Dream and trying to make it his own.
Edge using the Sharpshooter in general though? I have no problem with it. He does it well. Its not the same as if you'd suddenly see Kozlov botching a Million Dollar Dream and trying to make it his own.
I thought Edge utilized the move fairly well. Making Kofi Kingston tap out was fair, but I think he tapped out a little too soon. Even though I thought Edge using the move was fresh and new, I just don't see why he needs it at this point of his career. As previously mentioned, a new comer who has the potential to make it big should be using the Sharpshooting in order to gain credibility. Tyson Kidd does come to mind, but so does Cody Rhodes. Lets face it, a DDT simply isn't a strong finisher in wrestling nowdays.
Ted DiBiase Jr seems to have a decent finisher already. Edge using the Sharpshooter on a rare occasion won't hurt, but I don't see any reason why he should need to expand his moveset. Edge shouldn't use submission moves as his finisher anyway, as I think he works better using the Spear as it comes out of nowhere which suits his "Ulitmate Opportunist" gimmick.
So while I do think the Sharpshooter could work with Edge using the move as his finisher, I'd much rather see a rookie or a future star use it in order to become more successful.
Ted DiBiase Jr seems to have a decent finisher already. Edge using the Sharpshooter on a rare occasion won't hurt, but I don't see any reason why he should need to expand his moveset. Edge shouldn't use submission moves as his finisher anyway, as I think he works better using the Spear as it comes out of nowhere which suits his "Ulitmate Opportunist" gimmick.
So while I do think the Sharpshooter could work with Edge using the move as his finisher, I'd much rather see a rookie or a future star use it in order to become more successful.
FromTheSouth
You don't want it with me.
I think that the Spear is the worst finisher in the WWE today. Batista, HHH, and well, everyone uses it in the middle of a match. Edge does nothing to make it different, but for him it wins matches. I thought he needed a new finisher, and the Sharpshooter is fine with me.
I agree that Tyson Kidd should be the one to use it, but frankly, there's no guarantee that he will be around to make it his own. It's not like he's special or has some unusual connection with the crowd. He's just another guy on ECW that you could flip a coin to predict his future with the company. This is where I will get responses about how great Tyson Kidd is, but seriously, not really. His moves are ok, but there really isn't a connection to the crowd. Guys like Kofi and Evan Bourne won the crowd over within two matches.
Back on topic, Edge's sharpshooter looked good. Kofi's back was torqued. As far as it not looking painful enough, that is the responsibility of the guy who has it applied to him.
I agree that Tyson Kidd should be the one to use it, but frankly, there's no guarantee that he will be around to make it his own. It's not like he's special or has some unusual connection with the crowd. He's just another guy on ECW that you could flip a coin to predict his future with the company. This is where I will get responses about how great Tyson Kidd is, but seriously, not really. His moves are ok, but there really isn't a connection to the crowd. Guys like Kofi and Evan Bourne won the crowd over within two matches.
Back on topic, Edge's sharpshooter looked good. Kofi's back was torqued. As far as it not looking painful enough, that is the responsibility of the guy who has it applied to him.
AnthonyMango/NoFate007
A Post Is Worth A Thousand Words
I can't defend Tyson Kidd really, as I don't think he's the "next big thing", just that he seems to have a decent future ahead of him, and that he looks like he has potential. He's yet to wow me. But perhaps giving him the Sharpshooter as his finisher will help the guy out actually. He doesn't get that much of a reaction from the crowd, but the Sharpshooter still gets a pop no matter who uses it. If they start playing up that idea that he's from the Dungeon (someone, I forget who, mentioned that they could call his elbow drop "The Dungeon Drop") and they let him use the Sharpshooter as well, then people could maybe start actually cheering/booing for the guy. Edge wouldn't need any sort of extra footstool like that.
I like the discussion so far... and it is good to see that we have some folks on both sides. I guess the reason that I am not high on Edge using the Sharpshooter comes down to the fact that 1) he is not linked to the Harts, 2) like some mentioned, he doesn't need the "pop" from the move, and 3) it just seems tacked on.
If I ran the zoo, I would defintely have Edge add a submission to his arsenal. Guys like the Undertaker, Cena, Jericho, Angle etc. have done this to great effect, and it makes for a more exciting match. These are PROFESSIONAL wrestlers, and IMO most of these guys should have a little bit more variety in their movesets. Are we supposed to believe that Kofi for example, knows the same 5 or 6 moves, and might learn a new one in the next 5-6 years? I like when the wrestlers evolve (perfect example is Undertaker).
I would much rather see Edge with some kind of head/neck finisher. He is not like Flair or Hart, who would work on the legs through the match and then hit a submission. I think he would be better suited for something like a Dragon sleeper, or rear naked choke after softening up the neck with an Edgecution, some whiplash from a spear... you get the point. What do you think?
If I ran the zoo, I would defintely have Edge add a submission to his arsenal. Guys like the Undertaker, Cena, Jericho, Angle etc. have done this to great effect, and it makes for a more exciting match. These are PROFESSIONAL wrestlers, and IMO most of these guys should have a little bit more variety in their movesets. Are we supposed to believe that Kofi for example, knows the same 5 or 6 moves, and might learn a new one in the next 5-6 years? I like when the wrestlers evolve (perfect example is Undertaker).
I would much rather see Edge with some kind of head/neck finisher. He is not like Flair or Hart, who would work on the legs through the match and then hit a submission. I think he would be better suited for something like a Dragon sleeper, or rear naked choke after softening up the neck with an Edgecution, some whiplash from a spear... you get the point. What do you think?
boz_supernova
Dark Match Winner
Personally, I don't have a problem with Edge using it. I don't care that its Bret Hart's move either really, it's not like he was the only 1 to ever do it. What I don't understand is why Edge didn't carry on using his previous submission move the Edgacator or whatever it was called. It seems a bit trivial to change your submission move to something that is quite similar... I dunno, maybe we're seeing Edge turn face, using the pop from the sharpshooter with an upcoming feud with Big Show and Vicky. I doubt this, but I suppose it could be a slight option, especially with Christian back. Who knows what WWE will do with both of them after the draft.
Someone above... Rusty, said that Edge is the ultimate opportunist and the point about the spear is that he can use it quickly, I agree with this, but it's not to say you can't use a submission out of nowhere. Walls Of Jericho and Crippler Crossface were fairly good for this, so maybe it would've been better to see Edge with a different submission with a similar ability to pull it out of nowhere... Hmm.
Someone above... Rusty, said that Edge is the ultimate opportunist and the point about the spear is that he can use it quickly, I agree with this, but it's not to say you can't use a submission out of nowhere. Walls Of Jericho and Crippler Crossface were fairly good for this, so maybe it would've been better to see Edge with a different submission with a similar ability to pull it out of nowhere... Hmm.
reanimat3d
All Australian Australian
Edge using the Sharpshooter shows that he is becoming more and more determined to win as a legitimate contender and that he is moving away from the Ultimate Opportunist gimmick. He's had his outing with Vickie and I don't see why he would try and hide behind her and that gimmick any longer.
I'm all for it.
I'm all for it.
So.............care to take a stab at who trained Edge? By your logic he IS allowed to use that move.
I think Edge is established enough in the ring, and doesn't really need the move. While it does enhance his in-ring work, he didn't really need it. There are plenty of other wrestlers who could have benefited from that move. It's something that the lesser known wrestlers can use to identify themselves with the crowd. It could work well for them, for sure. Either way, it's not the worst thing for him to use it, but it should have been used by a different wrestler. Someone like MVP, for example.
Smark Henry
Dark Match Winner
I'm ok with Edge using the sharpshooter. It's a tribute to Bret Hart I'm sure. It's a fantastic submission move which Edge needs more of. His movset was getting kind of boring. I like that he is changing it up. I see no problem with him using the sharpshooter. You shouldn't have to be a Hart to use it.
I think, from Edge's point of view, utilising a new move (for him at least) is a good step for his in-ring character to take. There are two main reasons for this;
A. Top wrestlers are constantly upgrading and/or diversifying their move sets. Triple H, Ric Flair, Shawn Michaels, Undertaker etc. are just some examples. Let's look at Taker. He has had about 4 different submissions that he's tried out, until he lands on Hell's Gate (I keep forgetting what's it current name is lol). This move is effective and looks great, but before that he had the Triangle Choke and the "Takin' Care of Business" Dragon Sleeper, which were also cool moves. I guess this point is; great wrestlers need a couple of submissions.
B. Think about the current situation with his character. Edge is very likely to lose his Championship at WM, his wife seems to be turning against him, his wife's nephew doesn't seem bothered, his wife's heavy backup is now one of his arch-rivals for the title. Edge has no-one left to help him but himself, and he realises this, so now he must do everything he can to get his "A-game" on and retain his title at WM. Having a submission is a good way of doing so, particularly in a Triple Threat match.
A. Top wrestlers are constantly upgrading and/or diversifying their move sets. Triple H, Ric Flair, Shawn Michaels, Undertaker etc. are just some examples. Let's look at Taker. He has had about 4 different submissions that he's tried out, until he lands on Hell's Gate (I keep forgetting what's it current name is lol). This move is effective and looks great, but before that he had the Triangle Choke and the "Takin' Care of Business" Dragon Sleeper, which were also cool moves. I guess this point is; great wrestlers need a couple of submissions.
B. Think about the current situation with his character. Edge is very likely to lose his Championship at WM, his wife seems to be turning against him, his wife's nephew doesn't seem bothered, his wife's heavy backup is now one of his arch-rivals for the title. Edge has no-one left to help him but himself, and he realises this, so now he must do everything he can to get his "A-game" on and retain his title at WM. Having a submission is a good way of doing so, particularly in a Triple Threat match.
I like Edge using the move because we barely ever see that move anymore and Edge himself has always watched wrestling since he was young so maybe he wants to emulate Bret and Owen Hart. I know that Edge has all it takes to do it too.
Plus he needed a submission move. He has not had one in a while if ever so having him have a move is really a good thing. Edge is a great wrestler so why not allow him to use it. Just because he did not seemingly put in the effort in the last match, I would wait until he faces a better opponent like Cena.
Plus he needed a submission move. He has not had one in a while if ever so having him have a move is really a good thing. Edge is a great wrestler so why not allow him to use it. Just because he did not seemingly put in the effort in the last match, I would wait until he faces a better opponent like Cena.
Sean Valjean
Lets Bitch About This Thing We Love
When I saw it I thought he was going for the Edge-u-cator, and was quite surprised to see a Sharpshooter. I was even more surprised when he actually won with it.
I think it's good that he's adding to his moveset. I think every superstar should aim to expand their repertoire, and Edge could use a good submission finisher. The Sharpshooter is a great move, and as someone mentioned, you shouldn't HAVE to be a Hart to use it. I'll mark if he wins with it at Wrestlemania.
I think it's good that he's adding to his moveset. I think every superstar should aim to expand their repertoire, and Edge could use a good submission finisher. The Sharpshooter is a great move, and as someone mentioned, you shouldn't HAVE to be a Hart to use it. I'll mark if he wins with it at Wrestlemania.
BeansOnToastUK
Occasional Pre-Show
There is nothing better than a heel having a great submission move!
Edge was one of the rare wrestlers that actually applied the sharpshooter in the correct fashion (Yes Rock you were Great but damn man your sharpshooter was lame as hell !!)
I think they have put this in to also develop Edge's storyline to make the match look like it will end at WM25 when he applies it to Cena. Hopefully Cena will tap out (like everyone has had to when he uses his stupid STFU - Sorry STF now!! - and yes i still havent recoevered being in attendance at WM23 and having to watch HBK tap out to that awlful application of that move.)
But yes in closing im completely open to Edge using the Sharpshooter, but i hope they make it powerful. I hate wrestlers that have submission holds but never win by them.
In the past if Bret caught you in the Sharpshooter you knew it was over. That's why it made it so special when Austin refused to give up in the move at WM13... That alone provided as a catalyst in the development of one of the bigiiest wrestlers of all time !
Edge was one of the rare wrestlers that actually applied the sharpshooter in the correct fashion (Yes Rock you were Great but damn man your sharpshooter was lame as hell !!)
I think they have put this in to also develop Edge's storyline to make the match look like it will end at WM25 when he applies it to Cena. Hopefully Cena will tap out (like everyone has had to when he uses his stupid STFU - Sorry STF now!! - and yes i still havent recoevered being in attendance at WM23 and having to watch HBK tap out to that awlful application of that move.)
But yes in closing im completely open to Edge using the Sharpshooter, but i hope they make it powerful. I hate wrestlers that have submission holds but never win by them.
In the past if Bret caught you in the Sharpshooter you knew it was over. That's why it made it so special when Austin refused to give up in the move at WM13... That alone provided as a catalyst in the development of one of the bigiiest wrestlers of all time !
I think it's fine as long as he doesn't use it all the time then it get boring I think he could use the sharpshooter before or after hitting a spear that way the spear would either set up for the sharpshooter or his spear would have something special. As for Tyson Kidd not winning the crowd over Tyson more of a mat wrestler which is hard to get over as and Bourne and Kolfi are High flyers that's the easiest style to get over. So having Kidd use it would give him more of a pop after all he dating a neidhart was trained in the dungeon so i think that's all the requirements to use the sharpshooter in harts name. You know who invented Sharpshooter? not a Hart, but, Riki Chōshū. So really only Korean wrestlers using the "sharpshooter and it should be called "sasori-gatame."
HBK-aholic
Shawn Michaels ❤
I don't see why it's a problem - I actually wuite like the idea of the move being used by him. I never understood why people complained so much when a differetn wrestler uses a move - the Crippler Crossface for example. These moves are property of the WWE, not any individual wrestler, meaning anyone can use a move.
The sharpshooter seems to suit Edge's gimmick - and he's good enough to make it look realistic. This is a good thing.
The sharpshooter seems to suit Edge's gimmick - and he's good enough to make it look realistic. This is a good thing.
nbieclkl91
Quote the Raven, nevermore.
The Sharpshooter suits Edge very well in my opinion. The Edgecution was a great variation of it but maybe this new sharpshooter may pick up and become the new Edgecution. Personally, I think that Edge applied the mpve perfectly and it showed that Edge can win without cheating which is nice. I honestly think that this feud between Edge and Big Show over Vickie is going to turn Edge into a babyface. He'll still keep the "Rated-R" gimmick but it will be alot more fan-liked. Also, I think Edge is moving to RAW after the draft (With the World Heavyweight Title) and will probably start a feud with Randy Orton(WWE Champion) in order to determine the new Undisputed Champion. Anyways, without going away from the subject, I think Edge is going to make the sharpshooter his own move now that nobody else really uses it. Guess we'll have to wait and find out....
I agree with everything else you said, but the WWE dosen't own any moves, I'm pretty sure anyone is allwoed to use the Sharpshooter, but yeah Edge using it is cool, plus he's Canadian and trained in the DUngeon I think so it's not totally un-connected to him.
DeadmanInc.
Getting Noticed By Management
I'm glad Edge is starting to use the Sharpshooter for a few reasons.
Edge is in dire need of a credible finisher. The Spear suits the Ultimate Opportunist gimmick but Edge isn't big enough to make the move look good. When beasts like Batista are using the same move as a generic wrestling maneuver it makes Edge's spear look really weak. I think Edge should start using the Edgecaution (Impaler DDT) and Sharpshooter as his main finishers while keeping the Spear as more of a generic move or surprise finisher.
Plus, it seems that Edge is slowly moving away from the Ultimate Opportunist to a credible champion. That's one of the reasons I'm enjoying this feud with Big Show because everything Big Show is saying is completely true. I'm surprised that Edge hasn't dropped the belt yet to be honest, it's been more than 30 days =P. The Sharpshooter was one of the best submissions back in the day and hopefully Edge will keep it credible.
Finally, he is Canadian and trained in the Dungeon. I think that's reason enough to use the move.
Edge is in dire need of a credible finisher. The Spear suits the Ultimate Opportunist gimmick but Edge isn't big enough to make the move look good. When beasts like Batista are using the same move as a generic wrestling maneuver it makes Edge's spear look really weak. I think Edge should start using the Edgecaution (Impaler DDT) and Sharpshooter as his main finishers while keeping the Spear as more of a generic move or surprise finisher.
Plus, it seems that Edge is slowly moving away from the Ultimate Opportunist to a credible champion. That's one of the reasons I'm enjoying this feud with Big Show because everything Big Show is saying is completely true. I'm surprised that Edge hasn't dropped the belt yet to be honest, it's been more than 30 days =P. The Sharpshooter was one of the best submissions back in the day and hopefully Edge will keep it credible.
Finally, he is Canadian and trained in the Dungeon. I think that's reason enough to use the move.
Little Jerry Lawler
Sigmund Freud On Ritalin And Roids
Edge doesn't need it but it's good for him to add something to his repertoire. He needs a finisher other than the spear so I don't have a problem with it.
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