So this is what I'm separating it on, and I'm amazed that nobody has mentioned it yet. The Rock wins when it matters, whether it be against a returning Hulk Hogan, Ric Flair in that match, Stone Cold in their last encounter, and just recently after a 7 year hiatus, he cam back and bested John Cena in his home town, in John Cena's world that was built around him.
Hogan was beat by several people on his return, Flair was way past his prime and Austin was a shell of himself. The Rock lost big matches to the likes of Triple H, The Undertaker, Mankind, Chris Jericho and Brock Lesner. To sugest that he would automatically win because it was a big match is silly. He lost the main events of Wrestlemania 15, 16 and 17, dropping the title twice. His win against Cena is impressive, and is probably what people are really voting on.
The Rock never had a chance to show how much he could have meant to wrestling as a whole because he didn't stay after his initial 7 years so it's hard to compare that to Flair, but those seven years... wow. I just think Rock has the edge. I think he wins in big match situations more often than not and Ric Flair doesn't by virtue of the fact that for most of his career, and his prime in particular, he was a heel and heel are supposed to lose in the biggest matches. This is certainly a big match, both men rise to the occasion, but Rocky rises a little higher, up the ladder and grabs the briefcase after a gruelling unforgeable encounter. I can only imagine the promos leading up to this match.
Good arguement except Flair more often then not won at the big events. Starcade, Great American Bash, Crockett Cup, Halloween Havoc, Clash of Champions. While it is true he lost some he won more of the big matches he was in over a variety of opponents.
The Rock is a quicker, stronger, more charismatic, has better stamina, and better on the stick then Ric Flair. In fact, everything that Ric Flair is known for, the Rock does it better.
You forgot 'In My Opinion', because in my opinion it is the other way around.
I'm sure we're going to get the stupid, Ric Flair is the 60 minute man, bullshit argument. That's great, we're not wrestling an hour long are we? Oh, and the Rock has wrestled a 60 minute match before, so thanks for playing.
Wow, A 60 minute match. Wow. While you are right, there is no saying that this will go 60 minutes, but the point of Flair being able to wrestle long periods of time goes to endurance and durability. Those to qualities might pertain to this match. Maybe.
Ric Flair has the Horsemen: So fucking what. When we scrape the bottom of the barrel of arguments to bring in the associates, then the case is lost. The Rock hasn't had his fair share of allies in wrestling before? NOD, Corporation, whatever. Why do people think that if someone's pals interfere that the other guys pals won't jump into the match? Silly, null and void argument..
Heres the difference. If you are saying that The Rock has the NOD or the Corporation then that is the time period for him you are going with. Heel Rock with no win over Hogan or Austin. They were not with the face Rock so you have to make a choice. Otherwise Flair has Blackjack Mulligan, Greg Valentine, Ole Anderson, Arn Anderson, Tully Blanchard, Lex Lugar, Barry Windham, Sid Viscious, Sting, Brian Pillman, Dean Malenko, Chris Benoit, Randy Orton, Triple H and Batista to help him. My bets on Flair.
Ric Flair is a better talker then The Rock: Why anyone would bring that up, who knows. Just to squash it before it shows up, if you think Ric Flair is a better promo man then the Rock, please proceed to go to the tallest object around you, and throw yourself from it.
Let me fix that for you...Just to squash it before it shows up, if you think The Rock is a better promo man then Ric Flair, please proceed to go to the tallest object around you, and throw yourself from it. You are welcome.
The Rock is a better physical athlete, a more brutal and impactful wrestler then Ric Flair. I fail to see how the Figure Four is going to keep someone like the Rock down in a big match. This is the same Rock that has no sold Attitude Adjustments, Stunners and Atomic Leg Drops, multiple times in one match. Ric Flair locking on the figure four isn't going to keep the Rock down. In fact, if you honestly think the Rock would be in the Figure Four long enough for any real damage to be done, you're crazy. Have you never seen a bigger and stronger guy reverse the figure four on Flair? It happens more often then not.
Can't stand, can't climb.
The Rock moves on, Flair goes home.
Judging by the vote this is the only correct thing you said.
Yeah, without a shadow of a doubt my vote and this match should go to Rock. No arguments can really be made here. Rock has already beaten Flair in a match and while this is TLC the outcome wouldn't be much different. It's all pretty much been said already, can't make the 60 minute argument, can't make the interference argument, Rock's faster, stronger, better on the mic.
Vote Rock.
Wow. Rock beat Flair in 2002, well past Flair's prime. I argued the 60 minutes and the interference. Rocks faster...Flairs better. Rocks stronger...Flairs better. Vote Flair.
Are you really so stupid?
I honestly cannot believe this will count as a vote to Hulk. This has to be one of the stupidest things I've ever read. But Rock wins because Flair won't be able to sneak a win in his traditional way. Rocky's too big and strong for the Nature Boy.
Which is what was said about Sting, Magnum TA, Kerry Von Erich, Nikita Kololf, Road Warrior Animal, Road Warrior Hawk, Brusier Brody, Barry Windham and Lex Lugar. I think Flair can handle The Rock.
And unlike Andre, Rock will definitely be able to push Flair off and make him crash through tables or to the floor. Rocky also has the basic offence to help him to do that whereas Flair would rely on Horsemen assistance, which is negated by any one of the anti-Horsemen outfits who Rock would ensure backs him up on this occasion.
Again, if The Rock has the NOD or Corp then he is a heel and Flair>Heel Rock. As for the interference, Flair often wrestled all the top faces in cage matches and with the exception of two( to Rhodes and Garvin ) he always won. Without interference.
We just went over this, the Horsemen will get ran out of the match by the NOD/Corporation. Also it doesn't matter if Rock is heel or face he is still miles above Flair.
Rock as a face= good match. Rock as a heel= Flair win. And I already took care of the NOD/Corp thing.
Go read Rattlesnake's post about a page back. Flair barely beat Orton last round in a last man standing match. Rock takes this pretty easily.
Rattlesnakes arguement was actually a good one except...Flair, in 1986 at the Great American Bash signed to defend his title at 14 cards in a monthes time. He defended against Ricky Morton, Robert Gibson, Magnum TA, Road Warrior Hawk, Road Warrior Animal, Nikita Kololf, Wahoo McDaniels, Ivan Kololf and Dusty Rhodes. Most in cages. He won all except the last two. I think Flair in his prime can survive one match with Randy Orton.
That doesn't mean if he's a face those people still aren't his boys.
Actually, it does. Or are you saying that as a face McMahon, his enemy, would also help him.
It would be funny as hell to watch Flair attempt to climb a ladder.Even if he could, The Rock would still take this one.
This match, as mentioned previously, favors the more athletic.
In addition, though Flair had more accomplishments, I'm almost certain NONE of them were via ladder or TLC matches.
Rock has experience here.
Vote The #1 Jabroni here.
Yes, because we didn't have ladders in the 80s.
Its sad. Someone posted, before the tourement started, that it would be won by either The Rock, because he just came back; or Savage because he just died. Good chance this comes true.
Prime vs prime Flair goes over the Rock again and again and again.