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Somebody at ITV is definitely trying to hammer home that this is the biggest upset in the final since 1988, whether it is or not.
When they talk about big clubs and small clubs, league position is nothing to do with it. Everton are a big club, they always have been regardless of their league position. Wimbledon and Wigan certainly are not, they don't have the history or the fanbase. In Wimbledons case they were non-league 10 years earlier, Wigan were in the bottom division 15 years ago.
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Is there actually any doubt? Where is the biggest upset amongst these?
198788 Wimbledon 10 Liverpool
198889 Liverpool 32 * Everton
198990 Manchester United 33 *
(R) Manchester United 10 Crystal Palace
199091 Tottenham Hotspur 21 *
199192 Liverpool 20 Sunderland
199293 Arsenal 11 * Sheffield Wednesday
(R) Arsenal 21 * Sheffield Wednesday
199394 Manchester United double-dagger 40 Chelsea
199495 Everton 10 Manchester United
199596 Manchester United double-dagger 10 Liverpool
199697 Chelsea 20 Middlesbrough
199798 Arsenal double-dagger 20 Newcastle United
199899 Manchester United double-dagger 20 Newcastle United
19992000 Chelsea 10 Aston Villa
200001 Liverpool 21 Arsenal
200102 Arsenal double-dagger 20 Chelsea
200203 Arsenal 10 Southampton
200304 Manchester United 30 Millwall
200405 Arsenal 00 Manchester United
200506 Liverpool 33 West Ham United
200607 Chelsea 10 * Manchester United
200708 Portsmouth 10 Cardiff City
200809 Chelsea 21 Everton
200910 Chelsea 10 Portsmouth
201011 Manchester City 10 Stoke City
201112 Chelsea 21 Liverpool
201213 Wigan Athletic 10 Manchester City
Relegation candidates Everton beating the best team in the country is definitely a bigger upset than a team who were on a run where they finished in the top half 8 seasons out of 9, and in the top 8 5 times out of 9.
Everton might have been historically a big club, but in the 90s they were abysmal. That win was at least as unexpected as the one today. When Wimbledon won, again they were a small club, but they were good at the time. Coventry winning the previous season, or West Ham winning from the second tier earlier in the 80s is a far bigger deal.
If an upset is just a historically small club winning the cup, regardless of their current quality, Portsmouth in 2008 is the last big upset.
Everton might have been historically a big club, but in the 90s they were abysmal. That win was at least as unexpected as the one today. When Wimbledon won, again they were a small club, but they were good at the time. Coventry winning the previous season, or West Ham winning from the second tier earlier in the 80s is a far bigger deal.
If an upset is just a historically small club winning the cup, regardless of their current quality, Portsmouth in 2008 is the last big upset.
That's a different kind of upset I'd say in that they were expected to win on the day.
As far as Wigan go, they're a very small club who really don't belong in the top league and they just beat the English champions and one of the richest clubs in the world. In terms of finances and club size it'd be like Barcelona losing to Watford in an important game.
Since Martinez took over Wigan he's spent something like 55 million and made them perennial relegation favorites.
Underdogs Wigan were, but you're not a massive underdog if you spend that much money. The only reason people see it as such a big upset is because Martinez has generally made Wigan into a very poor Premiership team.
Underdogs Wigan were, but you're not a massive underdog if you spend that much money. The only reason people see it as such a big upset is because Martinez has generally made Wigan into a very poor Premiership team.
I think you meant Pulis for Stoke. Since Martinez took over at Wigan, he has spent far less than that. The only time he spent big, it was a flop for Boselli. He also had to contend with losing a key first team player every season since he took over.
He spent about 33 million and received about 40 million in transfer fee during his time. I wouldn't use spending as a knock on Martinez' reputation. One could even say he should have spent more to provide more competition in the squad so his players don't slag off during the start of seasons and they don't need miracles every year to stay up.
Sorry. Though I did work out that I live marginally closer to Charlton than Millwall, so my "local team" is actually quite a lot nicer than I thought.
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That moment on the last day of the Championship when Millwall were a goal from relegation was unfortunately all too fleeting.
I'm not entirely sure whether or not I've already stated this in this thread or anywhere but I'll repeat myself if I have; I don't think Alex Ferguson is the best manager ever. It's been giving me a slight itch in the past few weeks that it's been almost unanimously agreed that he's the best manager ever when he might not even be the best British manager ever. There, I said it. I expect you all to form a large mob fueled by anger and contempt, then I expect you to try and attack me with pitchforks and cricket bats... over the internet. Of course.
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Yeah, you are wrong.
Even as a Liverpool fan who would crow to high Heaven about the forgetting of Bob Paisley in the list of great managers - his three European Cups has still to be matched - Sir Alex Ferguson is far and away the best manager Britain has produced in terms of success and longevity.
To say otherwise is denial.
Even as a Liverpool fan who would crow to high Heaven about the forgetting of Bob Paisley in the list of great managers - his three European Cups has still to be matched - Sir Alex Ferguson is far and away the best manager Britain has produced in terms of success and longevity.
To say otherwise is denial.
You couldn't have imagined 12 months ago that
Ferguson - Gone
Mancini - Gone
Di Matteo - Gone
Wenger - Still employed
No-one would have expected that. Next season is going to be the most open league yet, but you'd expect the title is going to Mourinho. I've just got a strange feeling about Arsenal or Spurs.
Ferguson - Gone
Mancini - Gone
Di Matteo - Gone
Wenger - Still employed
No-one would have expected that. Next season is going to be the most open league yet, but you'd expect the title is going to Mourinho. I've just got a strange feeling about Arsenal or Spurs.
