Likely for the same reason that countless other members of this forum are.
For having a different opinion?
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Likely for the same reason that countless other members of this forum are.
For having a different opinion?
Nope. Try again.
1. I did mean to use the word apologist, I just didn't want to use it as a means to offend anyone.. its not supposed to be an offensive term. The history behind it is irrelevant to its usage. I'm sure if you look closely there would be other words that are used everyday that have a bad history.
2. What? KB just made a thread about it. He said its okay to talk about Cena as long as it is connected to the subject, which it was. The OP was talking about Cena apologists, drawing, WWE's business, etc.. Cena is related to all of that since people always claim that hes the biggest draw.
3. No "John Cena sucks" is not a popular opinion on this forum at all. I do retort to their arguments but when people like Spidamite say delusional things then it causes my emotions to get out of control; its not that I can't handle opposing opinions.. its that guys like Spidamite and Bernkastel try to present things as facts with an obvious bias, such as Kane being a bigger draw than Daniel Bryan and The Shield.
How do I sound like a douchebag? What have I done wrong besides calling people WWE and Cena apologists (its just a simple name, get over it)
While I admit that my sources may not have been 100% ironclad, I actually used proper logic to justify my arguments. Something that you have never done.
We've heard this a hundred times before.. a list of extremely selective house shows does not prove that Kane is a bigger draw than DB and The Shield.
Hey, since you put so much faith in the WWE, lets put it in terms that you can understand. If Kane is such a big draw, why would they take him off tv to film a movie?
If Kane was such a big draw why would they make DB main event WM 30?
If Kane was such a big draw why wouldn't he be in every main event instead of Rollins
and why doesn't he receive as much protection as Reigns?
Using your logic to defeat your own argument.
Thats literally what you said about Cena; that the company wouldn't push him if he didn't draw.. well apply that same logic to Kane; why WOULDN'T they push him over guys like Shield and DB if he's as big of a draw you claim he is?
3. No "John Cena sucks" is not a popular opinion on this forum at all. I do retort to their arguments but when people like Spidamite say delusional things then it causes my emotions to get out of control; its not that I can't handle opposing opinions.. its that guys like Spidamite and Bernkastel try to present things as facts with an obvious bias, such as Kane being a bigger draw than Daniel Bryan and The Shield.
How do I sound like a douchebag? What have I done wrong besides calling people WWE and Cena apologists (its just a simple name, get over it)
Yeah. Care to elaborate on this or are we just being emotional when we say this?
And if you took the time to read any of KJ's other posts, you would have known he is not a fan of the WWE. You calling him a WWE apologist somehow made that phrase even more meaningless than what it already was. It was a douchebag thing to say anyways, since it was nonsensical, but it was like calling the Pope a protestant when used on KJ.
Still waiting on mine and Sexual Objectification Panda's questions to be answered, by the way:
Why did you feel the need to interrupt CM Punk in the middle of dinner?
Can you name 1 person who was as big as John Cena that lost as much as Cena has?
We're not going through this again.. me and KB have went through this with you already. Please do not continue with this ignorance.It was not extremely selective. At all. While it did not account for every objective factor that could have been accounted for, it did account for several. An extremely selective list would have been limited to one measurable criteria only.
Uhh what? Lesnar took him out a month ago so he can film a movie. Where were you?That was 2013. He returned by the start of 2014.
No, WWE was forced to have him main event WM because fans were hijackign shows left and right.If you looked at the data, which I know you didn't, it shows that all of Bryan's big houses where drawn in the months leading up to Mania 30. He was really only behind Cena and Orton. WWE obviously had faith in his drawing power, so he won the belt.
And 2014, but he was still on a higher position than Kane all those times. Man even in 2013 and 2012 he was in a higher position than Kane, who was a tag team comedy wrestler. On the other hand Rollins was dominating the roster as The ShieldRollins didn't start main eventing until 2015.
Still way more protected than KaneAside from Kane being booked as a heel, Reigns protection has dropped immensely since Mania 31.
No because Kane is not receiving as much protection/ screen time as Shield and Daniel Bryan (before he was injured). If he was a bigger draw than them why wouldn't he be booked stronger than them?You are winning it for me actually. See below. We see Bryan winning the title, because the numbers justify him being a big draw, but then it drops off due to him being injured. Makes sense.
Heels that draw as much as Kane are supposed to lose this often? Then why do heels like HHH and Stone Coldbarely lose when they were in their prime?...Kane is a heel. In the end he's supposed to lose. That's his role as a heel. You do know the differences between heels and faces right? But lets look at Kane's booking in 2014...
Because there was no other guy for Bryan to feud with. Evolution was occupied with The Shield. Cena was feuding with Wyatt. Kane is like Jericho, the go to guy to job to the stars.A feud with Bryan over the world title.
I'm sorry, what? For as big of a mark you are of Kane, you don't seem to know much. What title did he win that was so significant? His last WHC run was in 2010. Are you talking about the tag team championships? Kane returned with a mask after months of being out, so he feuded with Cena so he can get fed to him, so Cena can look strong facing The Rock. Like i said, Kane is the go to guy to job to the stars, nothing more.A brief feud with Cena just before he won the title.
Read above. The roster is thin now, plus everyone else is occupied.Competed for the world title that Cena won.
Your point? Even Miz has done these at some point.Competed in the rematch for the world title.
So thats what you consider as a "high profile feud"? They didn't even have a singles PPV match. Lets look at history for a bit. After Shield broke up, the next PPV was Money In The Bank.. a 8 man WHC match. So I wouldn't say Kane and Reigns were actually "feuding" with each other. The next PPV was a fatal four way between Cena, Reigns, Kane, and Orton. Wouldn't really call this a "high profile feud" either. Next PPV was SummerSlam, which was Orton vs Reigns. Then Reigns next feud was supposed to be Rollins before he got the hernia. So basically, Kane and Reigns were never supposed to have a PPV match together. Kane was merely Randy Orton's lacky; they met in a few singles matches on Raw but that was about it. That was NOT a "high profile feud".A high profile feud with Roman Reigns, whom WWE were trying to groom as a future world champion.
Yeah this doesn't really prove anything.Capped off with a short feud with Ryback.
Repeated world title matches in a very thin roster, at times when everyone else was occupied. Also he was not even a feud with Reigns.... so horrible draw Kane was rewarded with repeated world title matches, an upper main event feud with the man WWE were hoping to push as their next mega star, before elevating a mid carder.
Professional wrestling needs people to job to the stars, because if everyone is star, then no one is a star. Kane has been successfully jobbing to the stars for almost twenty years now, which is one of the more successful careers in professional wrestling. You seem hung up on the idea that the only way someone matters is if they win championships and main event every show, when a promotion is a mix of pieces able to fill several different roles required to complete a performance.I'm sorry, what? For as big of a mark you are of Kane, you don't seem to know much. What title did he win that was so significant? His last WHC run was in 2010. Are you talking about the tag team championships? Kane returned with a mask after months of being out, so he feuded with Cena so he can get fed to him, so Cena can look strong facing The Rock. Like i said, Kane is the go to guy to job to the stars, nothing more.
No, it could mean either:Bernkastel I noticed that you were viewing this thread, but still no reply? So you basically admitted that I am right. I mean Reigns-Kane never had an actual feud, and you said that they had a high profile feud.. pretty much destroys all your credibility.
No, it could mean either:
A) He viewed this thread within the past hour, or
B) The more sensible option, he realized that any attempt to reason with you ends with "everyone is a John Cena/WWE apologist who can't follow logic", and is choosing to ignore you.
For what it's worth, I nor anyone else understands what kind of point you are trying to make. It seems to be that a business shouldn't do what they feel makes them the most money, but after making a certain amount of money they should stop and dedicate themselves to making good entertainment as befits your particular subjective tastes. If this isn't your point, you need to take a few steps backwards and try explaining it again, because none of your audience seems to have any idea what the hell you are trying to say.
We're not going through this again.. me and KB have went through this with you already. Please do not continue with this ignorance.
Uhh what? Lesnar took him out a month ago so he can film a movie. Where were you?
No, WWE was forced to have him main event WM because fans were hijackign shows left and right.
And 2014, but he was still on a higher position than Kane all those times. Man even in 2013 and 2012 he was in a higher position than Kane, who was a tag team comedy wrestler. On the other hand Rollins was dominating the roster as The Shield
Still way more protected than Kane
No because Kane is not receiving as much protection/ screen time as Shield and Daniel Bryan (before he was injured). If he was a bigger draw than them why wouldn't he be booked stronger than them?
Heels that draw as much as Kane are supposed to lose this often? Then why do heels like HHH and Stone Coldbarely lose when they were in their prime?
Because there was no other guy for Bryan to feud with. Evolution was occupied with The Shield. Cena was feuding with Wyatt. Kane is like Jericho, the go to guy to job to the stars.
I'm sorry, what? For as big of a mark you are of Kane, you don't seem to know much. What title did he win that was so significant? His last WHC run was in 2010. Are you talking about the tag team championships? Kane returned with a mask after months of being out, so he feuded with Cena so he can get fed to him, so Cena can look strong facing The Rock. Like i said, Kane is the go to guy to job to the stars, nothing more.
Read above. The roster is thin now, plus everyone else is occupied.
Your point? Even Miz has done these at some point.
Repeated world title matches in a very thin roster, at times when everyone else was occupied. Also he was not even a feud with Reigns.
Bernkastel I noticed that you were viewing this thread, but still no reply? So you basically admitted that I am right. I mean Reigns-Kane never had an actual feud, and you said that they had a high profile feud.. pretty much destroys all your credibility.
Okay.. answer this then. If he's a bigger draw than them then why is he significantly less protected then Shield and DB?