It is not an excuse. Its just people act like the WWE doesn't have moments where you are like WTF. There is nothing TNA has done since Hogan and Bischoff have been there that has been as bad as these email segments on RAW. Not to mention WWE caters to kids. So why would you have a 60 year old woman host your show. Not to mention 90 percent of their guest host can't pronounce the wrestlers names or PPV's correctly. If TNA had 30 plus years of history we wouldn't be having these conversation on a weekly basis. For every bad moment or storyline you can give me of TNA I can come back at you with one for WWE. So now after that where do we go? Besides 30 plus years of history which then benefits them for travel and moeny, what makes them so different right now then the TNA? Because storyline wise one is definitely not better then the other when you look at it from a neutral stand point. I don't get people who can just watch months and months of Raw and put up with bad moments and story lines, but turn Impact off after 20 minutes. The only thing I can think of is that you have been watching WWE program for countless years and your afraid to stop watching. People need to stop acting like their are sides to take. If everyone used the same tolerance with the TNA that they use for WWE then the business as a whole would get better. Until people can break through the hate there will be a monopoly on the industry.
Do TNA fans ever wonder why they watch?
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It is not an excuse. Its just people act like the WWE doesn't have moments where you are like WTF. There is nothing TNA has done since Hogan and Bischoff have been there that has been as bad as these email segments on RAW. Not to mention WWE caters to kids. So why would you have a 60 year old woman host your show. Not to mention 90 percent of their guest host can't pronounce the wrestlers names or PPV's correctly. If TNA had 30 plus years of history we wouldn't be having these conversation on a weekly basis. For every bad moment or storyline you can give me of TNA I can come back at you with one for WWE. So now after that where do we go? Besides 30 plus years of history which then benefits them for travel and moeny, what makes them so different right now then the TNA? Because storyline wise one is definitely not better then the other when you look at it from a neutral stand point. I don't get people who can just watch months and months of Raw and put up with bad moments and story lines, but turn Impact off after 20 minutes. The only thing I can think of is that you have been watching WWE program for countless years and your afraid to stop watching. People need to stop acting like their are sides to take. If everyone used the same tolerance with the TNA that they use for WWE then the business as a whole would get better. Until people can break through the hate there will be a monopoly on the industry.
Schizophrenic
iMPACT! Player From The Start
I'm not IDR but allow me to enlighten you since you can't seem to comprehend booking. The ECW four were there to obviously get an agenda across. What is it? We don't know yet because htey haven't revealed it yet which is what peaks interest to actually watch the show. They hit the ring to cause chaos and make a statement. TNA guys started to attack and fend them off when Kenney & Snow as well as Devon showed up to help their friends from ECW. Why do I say this? Because when Dixie said she invited them even Snow said "What?!" He had no idea why they were they but they are his friends and he was not gonna let them get beaten up. Dixie finally made a plea to stop because the ECW guys were her guests. Which again adds intrigue to the show. If you can't follow that then I don't know how you are living on a day to day basis. The angle was not laughable nor pathetic. What's laughable and pathetic are people who can't get from point a to point b without having to be reminded several times over the course of two hours what has happened in the last few days like WWE has done with Nexus.
You do realize that sentence makes no sense right? Kendrick was gonna be pushed in WWE but he hated working for them, not being allowed to go out and go 100% and hated Vince's guts which seems to be a growing trend. Pope was already gold on the mic but since they had nothing for him (a bs excuse if I ever heard one) they stuck him on ECW and buried him and didn't allow him to be himself. When TNA did what happened? Instant star. Sorry buddy WWE isn't the only one allowed to make stars.
Reddannihilation
Championship Contender
Nothing TNA has ever done in the history of the company compares to some of the shit WWE has thrown out over the years. Here's the thing you don't get, everything is subjective you might like some things about TNA and hate others, but there's just as many people who hate the segments you like and like the ones you hate. SUBJECTIVITY!!! Say it with me now.
which is great because you did miss an excellent last segment, nice job dumbshit. And now I'll bet that the next week you'll complain about something not making sense when it was explained in the segment you skipped.
People who don't watch the entire show and then criticise it have no validity. So it stands to reason that no one who watches TNA properly is going to respect the opinions of people who want watch the entire show.
I was a former TNA mark and I don't know exactly, probably I was wanting something new. Never happened because TNA is filled with WWE rejects.
C'mon all their women wrestlers tried to get in the E, but had failed. I think some wrestlers want noticed by the WWE through TNA.
To the TNA marks, I'm not big on WWE, but TNA was so much better in 06 and 07! I can't complain with the E because they had done it all from being TOP company and all the notice they had accumulated.
C'mon all their women wrestlers tried to get in the E, but had failed. I think some wrestlers want noticed by the WWE through TNA.
To the TNA marks, I'm not big on WWE, but TNA was so much better in 06 and 07! I can't complain with the E because they had done it all from being TOP company and all the notice they had accumulated.
Actually it sounds just like an excuse. I'm not trying to defend the WWE for it's bad programming, I'm just trying to understand the logic of fans who say/write things somewhat similar to this, "WWE puts out trash every week, so who cares if TNA does too." When I read that I see an excuse and now you've come up with another excuse. Why should fans judge what the WWE did months & years ago? I did my part then by not watching. Should I do that with TNA aswell?
I along with everyone here knows TNA has everything they need to be putting out a great product. I just personally haven't seen it yet, maybe you have and that's great, but I know I'm not the only one whose been disappointed. Today was just another example of how it disappointed me and I answered the question.
Not to mention half the TNA roster had history with the WWE or wants to jump. I gave TNA so much chances, but after the third, I QUIT! Even my older brother who introduced me into wrestling back in the late 90s who now hates WWE or wrestling in genral, would rather watch WWE than TNA.
To TNA marks, I bet there was an angle in the history of the WWE that you liked better than TNA because most wrestling fans became fans because of the WWE.
To TNA marks, I bet there was an angle in the history of the WWE that you liked better than TNA because most wrestling fans became fans because of the WWE.
Subjectivity or not it looks like an excuse, I don't see the need to compare TNA to the WWE in the first place, I don't hold either show to the same standard or any for that matter. IF I enjoy it I'll praise it, if not I won't...
Funny you talk about subjectivity and then go on to say I missed an excellent last segment? Take your own advice much? I hoped on here and read the spoilers afterwards so I'm sure I'll be covered for next week.
And yet my opinion mattered enough for you to respond, guess it is worth something.
Reddannihilation
Championship Contender
You didn't watch it so you can't judge it...derp.
Yes it was worth being told how it doesn't hold any validity. Good job.
WWE Rejects? So because they worked for the WWE and left for one reason or another that makes them rejects? By your own logic you must consider Ron Killings, Lance Hoyt, Christian Cage, Low-ki, Matt Sydal, CM Punk, and Gail Kim to be TNA rejects? You also must consider Chris Jericho, Big Show, The Undertaker, Rey Mysterio, Chavo Guerrero, Finlay, Goldust, and Triple H to be WCW rejects. I hope this puts that whole 'TNA is a bunch of WWE rejects' argument into perspective, and shows those that cite it how stupid they really sound.
Since when has WWE's women's division or any division for that matter been about the best talent? They moved Angel Williams (Angelina Love) over to OVW after she busted her ass in DSW against Krissy Vaine, Michelle McCool, and Nattie Neidhart. She got hurt in her first match at OVW, against an unnamed CURRENT WWE diva, and was released the week after she moved up to the Louisville area. If Angelina was unhappy and wanted to leave TNA there isn't ANYTHING in the world that would stop the WWE from offering her a contract immediately following her 90day competition clause. She's not only gorgeous but she's got personality and best of all she can wrestle. While she may not have the personality that Angelina, Taylor Wilde is in the exact same boat. After what she's done in TNA, WWE would have no problem scooping up Velvet Sky or Madison or Sarita.
And TNA was better in 2006 and 2007? You do mean the time period where after having a great showing in the KOTM ladder match and a great match against Christian Cage, Jeff Jarrett subjected a solid in-ring talent like Chris Harris to Black Reign beat downs? The time period where rather than showcasing Christopher Daniels' talent they made him a comedy act as Curryman? Where Eric Young had split personalities and was unaware that he was a superhero? When rather than showcasing AJ Styles' talent in the ring he was Kurt Angle and Christian Cage's lackey?
They still had a somewhat solid tag team division and the knockouts division was clearly superb to what it is today, but when looking at all the divisions from X division, to the Knockouts, to the Tag Team, and Heavyweight divisions? TNA is clearly stronger today where they were weaker before and just as strong and slightly weaker in areas where they were heavily stacked before, but boil it down to overall strengths and weaknesses within the divisions of wrestling in TNA? TNA as of July 2010 has the best roster both in means of pure talent and stardom that the company has ever had.
Where are you getting this information on talent wanting to jump from? TNA has been spending truckloads of money on talent who want to resign, talent who if they really wanted to go to the WWE would more than likely get the contracts. Look at TNA's roster and you'll find more talent on there that are home grown in TNA or companies NOT the WWE than you will on WWE's roster.
And I'm sorry, but by saying most wrestling fans became fans because of the WWF\E is insulting to those of us who grew up on AWA & NWA territories. I was cheering on Dusty Rhodes and Harley Race when Hulkamania was just starting to get steroids pumped through it's veins. Not to mention all the fans who started watching wrestling because of the Goldberg or NWO storylines or the fans who started watching wrestling again when it became Extreme.
Hollywood Naitch
The current reigning and defending
TNA blows so many opportunites with its inconsistant booking, but then so does WWE. Both companies seem to drop storylines with no explanation, and change there mind about who is a face/heel and who to push on a daily basis.
Yes there are some bits of iMPACT which suck, there are parts of Raw and SD that suck too, but until someone on TNA gives birth to a hand TNA has not done anything to rival some of the garbage the 'E has put out in the past
Yes there are some bits of iMPACT which suck, there are parts of Raw and SD that suck too, but until someone on TNA gives birth to a hand TNA has not done anything to rival some of the garbage the 'E has put out in the past
jroulette,
Okay why would you put Gail, Evan, Ron, and Christian with the TNA rejects ALL Gail, Ron, and Christian started their careers with the WWE and ALL of them including Evan had their big break in WWE!
As for the 'WCW Rejects' so what WWE purchased it and OFF topic.
Most wrestling viewers TODAY was introduced to the WWE. I wasn't talking about the past, but the modern society.
Okay why would you put Gail, Evan, Ron, and Christian with the TNA rejects ALL Gail, Ron, and Christian started their careers with the WWE and ALL of them including Evan had their big break in WWE!
As for the 'WCW Rejects' so what WWE purchased it and OFF topic.
Most wrestling viewers TODAY was introduced to the WWE. I wasn't talking about the past, but the modern society.
really Ron, Gail, And Christian started in the WWE so how do they fit in that category. Matt is bigger in WWE and CM PUNK is a Maineventer and a former 3x WHC, so your augerment is no good and WWE bought WCW so end of augrement their. so to end YOU HAVE NO AUGREMENT
As I said in my previous post the WWE and TNA both put out bad story lines or segments each week and both have their positives. The difference with fans are they stay with WWE for 2 hours and turn Impact off after 20 minutes. I am also speaking about the wrestling fans in general and not just you. You may or may not have stopped watching ( I have no way of knowing the truth to that ), but people stayed with the product. I then go back to what I originally said. Both products are no different from each other. They both have good and bad things going on. The only thing I can think of is that the WWE has 30 plus years of history and TNA doesn't . There is no reason why some one can sit there and watch Doink the Clown wrestle this past Monday and then turn around and turn off the channel when two girls are fighting back stage on this past Impact episode. There is no excuse, but there definitely is some sort of problem that people have with TNA when they ignore the same or different problems with WWE. I see people post on here all the time how TNA has bad booking and terrible story lines and that is why they don't tune in. Well why are they tuning in to the exact same program on USA where the only differences are a big arena and better lighting? It is because WWE fans will settle for the 50 percent of their show being garbage and then turn around and post about TNA's bad booking and terrible story lines. No excuses just preaching the truth. Until people start judging these products from a neutral stand point then wrestling will continue to be monopolized and we will continue to have these discussion week after week.
Reddannihilation
Championship Contender
This is gonna be fun.
Got any facts there? With the exception of Lacey Von Erich every female wrestler in TNA actually can wrestle. I'll take Taylor Wilde, Sartia, Angelina Love, Velvet Sky, Madison Rayne and Daffney over any current WWE Diva.
Name 5 things that made that era better?
What does this even mean? WWE is the biggest company so they're free from criticism? What the fuck are you talking about?
Sources on this are where?
You watched TNA three times and are now an expert on it? Okay then.
What's up relevance?
Yeah I liked Steve Austin more than AJ Styles, I also liked the nWo and Goldberg more than anything. Look out because that means I prefer 2 WCW creations to anything the WWE did. Guess you're wrong.
Christian started in ECWA. Ron Killings started out in the NWA. And Evan Bourne was about ten times more interesting to watch in ROH when he was actually allowed to use more than 1/3 of his move set.
So because years after it happened WCW was bought by the WWE this retroactively alters history so that Steve Austin, the Undertaker, Kevin Nash, HHH and a slew of others weren't kicked out of WCW?
Not even remotey true, considering everyone who doesn't solely watch the WWE tends to have been around during the Monday Night Wars and even before that.
First, what's the WWFE? Second, no that's bullshit. First you said you don't care about the past then you mention the World Wide Wrestling Federation? Just as many people becames fans through the NWA and WCW.
Okay this doesn't even make any sense. TNA has had bookings? So it's going to fail?
TNA has had "bizzare storylines" so it's going to fail?
TNA is moving at a fast pace (seriously what drugs do you take?) so it's going to fail?
Do you realise how little sense you just made? Will we next see you recounting how "the puppy who lost his way" was a metaphor for the industrial revolution? Seriously start making sense or stop posting.
Reddannihilation,
First off I made little sense cause the guy I was talking to was quite confusing as well.
Right now WWE has the most viewers of any wrestling show out of TNA and ROH and most of the WWE's fan base are kids who probably know nothing other than the E itself.
Okay lets list SOME of the knockouts who signed a development contract FOR WWE.
TBP and Taylor
All them are currently TNA's MAIN knockouts MAJOR to the storylines going on right now.
First off I made little sense cause the guy I was talking to was quite confusing as well.
Right now WWE has the most viewers of any wrestling show out of TNA and ROH and most of the WWE's fan base are kids who probably know nothing other than the E itself.
Okay lets list SOME of the knockouts who signed a development contract FOR WWE.
TBP and Taylor
All them are currently TNA's MAIN knockouts MAJOR to the storylines going on right now.
Michael_Page
Dark Match Winner
I watch TNA because it caters to my age group 22-30 i hate when WWE makes the REAL wrestling fans look stupid with their side show act. I want wrestling not 2 grown men dancing and ******ed guest host who know nothing about the sport.WWE forgets who made them all kinds of money and it sure isnt the preteens.Atleast with TNA i can see true wrestling Kurt Angle Vs The Pope. Great tagteam wrestling MMG VS Beer Money.
Beautiful women who CAN actually wrestle Angelina Love VS Madison Rain.
Beautiful women who CAN actually wrestle Angelina Love VS Madison Rain.
crazymike0907
Occasional Pre-Show
Lets just put it to rest...both the WWE & TNA suck ass right now. TNA thinks this whole ECW reunion show is what's going to fix TNA but in my opinion, I just don't see that being their solution. Maybe if they get rid of the past-WWE guys that nobody really gives a shit about, then maybe they'll be noticed. Becuase after all, they seem like they are basically WCW 2.0.
And as for WWE goes, they really need to get there shit together too. the guest host thing has MORE then worn out it's welcome. And you know how the title picture will look near the end of the year...either Cena or HHH will have the belt. And i'm SOOO freakin tired of Cena with the belt. At least TNA has RVD with there World title.
I'll admit, I'm much more of a WWE guy as TNA just seems to bore me & make me want to scratch my head in dis-belief sometimes. But then again, I can't remember the last time I watched a full episode of RAW or Smackdown or ordered a PPV as WWE has bored me quite a bit lately too. But really, both companies are doing some things right & both are doing some things terribly wrong.
Last thing I gotta say is...come on football season! (Go Ravens!!)
And as for WWE goes, they really need to get there shit together too. the guest host thing has MORE then worn out it's welcome. And you know how the title picture will look near the end of the year...either Cena or HHH will have the belt. And i'm SOOO freakin tired of Cena with the belt. At least TNA has RVD with there World title.
I'll admit, I'm much more of a WWE guy as TNA just seems to bore me & make me want to scratch my head in dis-belief sometimes. But then again, I can't remember the last time I watched a full episode of RAW or Smackdown or ordered a PPV as WWE has bored me quite a bit lately too. But really, both companies are doing some things right & both are doing some things terribly wrong.
Last thing I gotta say is...come on football season! (Go Ravens!!)
Mature response
I do watch both and i do consider myself a bigger TNA fan than or todays WWE.
2 me the booking is equaly bad. We have a WHC who only got the strap thought bitchin and moaning. We've got a kurt angle with all traces of personality ripped out of his ass (and a stupid lisp). And on the "flagship" show weve got a bunch of oiled up ROOKIES doing the same jumping a wrestler every week (although we did have the inovative move of them jumping 3 wrestlers this week.
TNAs booking is just as bad, with story lines dropped out of no-where and teasing the same thing for weeks and weeks is getting irritating (ive given up hope of finding out what "deception" means and who "they" are).
So im gunna call this one based on the quality of wrestling and im giving it to TNA.
Kurt Angle running through the top ten is plain and simply giving us 10 outstanding matches! RVD vs Joe the other week was a cure for constipation cos i shit myself wen i saw this on free TV. MCMG vs......anyone is fuckin sweet (X division tag team, i mean c'mon thas F'n A!)
and thern there is AJ Styles........nuff sed.
i could go on.
And all WWE has is Orton and Bourne.
Childish response
If u only like WWE then u r gay or twelve or a gay twelve year old.
I do watch both and i do consider myself a bigger TNA fan than or todays WWE.
2 me the booking is equaly bad. We have a WHC who only got the strap thought bitchin and moaning. We've got a kurt angle with all traces of personality ripped out of his ass (and a stupid lisp). And on the "flagship" show weve got a bunch of oiled up ROOKIES doing the same jumping a wrestler every week (although we did have the inovative move of them jumping 3 wrestlers this week.
TNAs booking is just as bad, with story lines dropped out of no-where and teasing the same thing for weeks and weeks is getting irritating (ive given up hope of finding out what "deception" means and who "they" are).
So im gunna call this one based on the quality of wrestling and im giving it to TNA.
Kurt Angle running through the top ten is plain and simply giving us 10 outstanding matches! RVD vs Joe the other week was a cure for constipation cos i shit myself wen i saw this on free TV. MCMG vs......anyone is fuckin sweet (X division tag team, i mean c'mon thas F'n A!)
and thern there is AJ Styles........nuff sed.
i could go on.
And all WWE has is Orton and Bourne.
Childish response
If u only like WWE then u r gay or twelve or a gay twelve year old.
Reddannihilation
Championship Contender
What?
In the US maybe, not in the rest of the world.
Ahem, Maidson Rayne never worked for WWE, Angelina Love appeared on TNA Xplosion back in 2004 before she did WWE developmental, Velvet similarly started in the independents. Also something to take into consideration, TNA's Knockout's division didn't come into being until 2007, so what reason would any of the Knockouts have had to sign up to TNA when they didn't have places for them?
No you said it was where Evan Bourne go this big break and really I disagree he was fine in ROH.
You said that because WWE bought WCW that it didn't matter if they had used WCW stars who had been kicked out, so either you retract the statement about TNA using "WWE rejects" or you accept that Steve Austin, Chris Jericho, Mick Foley, HHH, the Undertaker and HHH were all WCW rejects.
No shit, who else's opinion would it be, that doesn't change the fact that what you were saying was either grossly inaccurate or downright stupid.
What cracks me up are you people who admit that you "read the spoilers" and then didn't enjoy watching the show. This isn't Shakespeare; the story/acting/writing isn't going to thrill you based on sheer artistry. Part of what made the Monday Night Wars and that era so great was the thrill of the unexpected. You're limiting your ability to be entertained when you read SPOILers that SPOIL the viewing experience. I'm not saying you can't be a spoiler-hound and still enjoy the show, but the first thing I'd say to anyone who complains about watching Impact, Smackdon, NXT or any of the other taped shows is "stop reading spoilers." Try that and then see how you feel about the product.
Phoenix, I see what you're saying, but I often wonder the same about hardcore WWE fans (not implying you're a TNA hater or anything). Sometimes I'll be sitting there, watching RAW, and wonder wtf I'm doing with my time. It's so stupid sometimes. How many times can I really watch Santino do an absolute trainwreck of a skit with some B-list celebrity no one cares to see in the first place? In your example of Abyss attacking the raw meat.. I think I can honestly say I've seen dumber in WWE. Abyss has actually gotten much better on the mic, and I'd rather listen to him any day over John Cena. Although I'm not sure why Sarita and Taylor Wilde are feuding, I liked their brawl because it's something you really don't see women wrestlers do all too often.
You shoulda watched the rest of that Impact. The ladder match was one definitely a MOTY candidate, and the ending was incredibly well done.
You shoulda watched the rest of that Impact. The ladder match was one definitely a MOTY candidate, and the ending was incredibly well done.
No one is bitching aboutt he lack of suprise or thrill. If ur looking at it from a narratvie point of view or a sporting point of view we are still seeing below parr writting / booking.
its not all bad, i am still enjoying the overall shows from both promotions.
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