See, I was excited for the Rollins feud but it got boring when Rollins beat him seemingly every single time. Not Dean's fault. But the feud could've/should've been better if Dean was booked stronger. He was red hot at the time, but they made him lose all the time for like the whole first year after the Shield breakup.
Dean Ambrose has been a colossal disappointment
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See, I was excited for the Rollins feud but it got boring when Rollins beat him seemingly every single time. Not Dean's fault. But the feud could've/should've been better if Dean was booked stronger. He was red hot at the time, but they made him lose all the time for like the whole first year after the Shield breakup.
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He is way over with the crowd which is something Roman has been quite unable to do to this point. I do feel his "face" character has gotten a little stale but that is more due to the PG show they're putting on. His "lunatic fringe" behavior vs. Styles was solid. If WWE wants to utilize him the best though I would move him back to Raw and reform the Shield. The Group would be way more over collectively then they're individually.
He is way over with the crowd which is something Roman has been quite unable to do to this point. I do feel his "face" character has gotten a little stale but that is more due to the PG show they're putting on. His "lunatic fringe" behavior vs. Styles was solid. If WWE wants to utilize him the best though I would move him back to Raw and reform the Shield. The Group would be way more over collectively then they're individually.
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I don't quite get the shitty booking you guys are talking about. If we not count that shitty feud with Bray Wyatt in 2014, Dean Ambrose has been one of the most protected wrestlers since.
Let's look at his rise:
Protected against Seth Rollins in 2014.
Took a second place to Reigns vs Bray Wyatt.
Main evented SSeries.
Was in the final two in the Royal Rumble.
Had a great match with Triple H and got so over that he made the WWE change their plans about Brock Lesnar.
And it looks like that the match with Triple H was Dean's ceilling. Because he kept falling and falling after that and no, it wasn't the booking that hurt him.
He got in feuds with Lesnar, Jericho, Ziggler, Shield, Styles. Where are all these promos that Dean's been known to deliver? Where are the memorable mic skills? That was his strong point and I just don't see it any more. After WM 32 Dean has done nothing to elevate himself. Zero. He had one good moment with Ziggler in a promo and their match sucked. Where are the things people kept bragging about? "Imagine the promos between him and Heyman" "Imagine the brawl between him and Lesnar" "Imagine the promos between him Jericho". Let's be honest, Dean failed to deliver in all of these and it's not just creative's fault.
He's over, but he hasn't really made a difference. I'm still waiting for the guy that will take himself out of the pool and become a star. Right now it's one giant pool: Ambrose, Reigns, Rollins, Wyatt, Owens.. everybody is fighting to get over but nobody does.
Let's look at his rise:
Protected against Seth Rollins in 2014.
Took a second place to Reigns vs Bray Wyatt.
Main evented SSeries.
Was in the final two in the Royal Rumble.
Had a great match with Triple H and got so over that he made the WWE change their plans about Brock Lesnar.
And it looks like that the match with Triple H was Dean's ceilling. Because he kept falling and falling after that and no, it wasn't the booking that hurt him.
He got in feuds with Lesnar, Jericho, Ziggler, Shield, Styles. Where are all these promos that Dean's been known to deliver? Where are the memorable mic skills? That was his strong point and I just don't see it any more. After WM 32 Dean has done nothing to elevate himself. Zero. He had one good moment with Ziggler in a promo and their match sucked. Where are the things people kept bragging about? "Imagine the promos between him and Heyman" "Imagine the brawl between him and Lesnar" "Imagine the promos between him Jericho". Let's be honest, Dean failed to deliver in all of these and it's not just creative's fault.
He's over, but he hasn't really made a difference. I'm still waiting for the guy that will take himself out of the pool and become a star. Right now it's one giant pool: Ambrose, Reigns, Rollins, Wyatt, Owens.. everybody is fighting to get over but nobody does.
OYDK
King Of The Ring
The shitty booking everyone's referring to (I assume) is mostly the year or so that he spent jobbing after the Shield split. He lost every match to Rollins, nearly every match to Wyatt, went into Mania as an afterthought in the IC title ladder match, than faced Harper in a nothing feud. He didn't win a PPV match until April of 2015... ten months after the Shield split.
His booking got better after that but even some of the stuff you mentioned is out of context. He spent however many months being Roman Reigns' lackey while clearly being the fan favorite of the two. I don't know how that constitutes good booking. Than he faced Lesnar in a glorified squash match at Mania. His match with HHH isn't what got him "so over", he was already over at that level a year before when WWE decided to do nothing with him.
He won the WWE World Heavyweight Championship 3 months after his match with HHH. I'd assume that was his ceiling as it is basically everybody's.
Everything else you mentioned is fair enough. I guess for the people that, for some reason, expected a superstar out of Dean Ambrose, sure he could be considered a disappointment. I always expected him to be a World Champion, and he was at a time when the title meant a hell of a lot more than it does today. In fact, I never expected him to be the most popular superstar on the roster so in that sense, he's actually surpassed some of my expectations.
To each their own though.
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He feuded with Rollins and Wyatt for almost a year and didn't win once. He didn't win a PPV match until nearly a year after the Shield broke up. He was booked as Reigns' sidekick despite being more over. He was basically squashed by Lesnar at WM32. He lost to Reigns in 9 minutes at Survivor Series.
If that's not horrible booking, then what is?
Ambrose isn't over? Do you even watch the product? Ambrose is one of the most over wrestlers in WWE today.
No he's not the next Austin, but no one should've expected that. He couldn't have been, and no one ever will be.
I don't see what the problem is. Everyone want the next Rock, Austin, Taker, HHH, Foley, and Jericho over night. These guys took time to develop, and so will the next generation of wrestlers - Ambrose, Reigns, Rollins, Owens, Wyatt, and others.
If that's not horrible booking, then what is?
Ambrose isn't over? Do you even watch the product? Ambrose is one of the most over wrestlers in WWE today.
No he's not the next Austin, but no one should've expected that. He couldn't have been, and no one ever will be.
I don't see what the problem is. Everyone want the next Rock, Austin, Taker, HHH, Foley, and Jericho over night. These guys took time to develop, and so will the next generation of wrestlers - Ambrose, Reigns, Rollins, Owens, Wyatt, and others.
Dean Ambrose has as far as I'm concerned anyway outdone himself since the Shield broke up. Here is the only Shield member who didn't have the WWE machine behind him and he's turned out to be the most popular out of the three.
Rollins was hand picked by the Authority to claim the title and quite honestly his title run was a disappointment. He was booked as a chicken shit heel, who need not only Kane but J&J Security to win matches. Reigns, well that's another story. He's had the most pronounced push I've seen in recent years and the guy still isn't over with the majority of fans. Women and kids love the guy, but others, well not so much. Nothing wrong with his look and ring work, there is just no connection.
Ambrose wasn't pushed by upper management, he was jobbed out for the better part of a year or so, and for some reason or other the fans got behind him. Even though he's not won the majority of his feuds, they are still behind him. He's likable, he comes off as being in a strange way, natural. There is nothing forced or fake about him. Basically what you see is what you get. When you see him on other shows he's totally the same guy. And I don't think he cares whether you like him or not, he's is who he is.
Dean Ambrose is also a workhorse, doesn't seem to get injured and as someone else said, he's always there ready to go. I have idea how many nights a year he works, but he doesn't ever seem to complain about it either. It doesn't matter who they pair him up with or pit him against, he always seems to get the loudest pops from the crowd.
Yea he could be better in the ring and he used to be when he was in the indies, he's had to tone it down a lot for the WWE. I think even if he was to turn heel he would get the same reaction from the fans. He also moves a lot of merchandise for the company as well and puts assess in the seats. His B tour was pulling in more fans and money than Reigns did with a better roster.
Ambrose has made the best of a bad situation and the fans like it.
Rollins was hand picked by the Authority to claim the title and quite honestly his title run was a disappointment. He was booked as a chicken shit heel, who need not only Kane but J&J Security to win matches. Reigns, well that's another story. He's had the most pronounced push I've seen in recent years and the guy still isn't over with the majority of fans. Women and kids love the guy, but others, well not so much. Nothing wrong with his look and ring work, there is just no connection.
Ambrose wasn't pushed by upper management, he was jobbed out for the better part of a year or so, and for some reason or other the fans got behind him. Even though he's not won the majority of his feuds, they are still behind him. He's likable, he comes off as being in a strange way, natural. There is nothing forced or fake about him. Basically what you see is what you get. When you see him on other shows he's totally the same guy. And I don't think he cares whether you like him or not, he's is who he is.
Dean Ambrose is also a workhorse, doesn't seem to get injured and as someone else said, he's always there ready to go. I have idea how many nights a year he works, but he doesn't ever seem to complain about it either. It doesn't matter who they pair him up with or pit him against, he always seems to get the loudest pops from the crowd.
Yea he could be better in the ring and he used to be when he was in the indies, he's had to tone it down a lot for the WWE. I think even if he was to turn heel he would get the same reaction from the fans. He also moves a lot of merchandise for the company as well and puts assess in the seats. His B tour was pulling in more fans and money than Reigns did with a better roster.
Ambrose has made the best of a bad situation and the fans like it.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Did he get opportunity to promo with the likes of Heyman and Jericho? The brawl with Lesnar wasn't his fault. I thought that you'd know whose fault it is and who was lazy. I do remember getting to watch a good Ambrose promo while he was with Cena of all people. That says a lot. He's the best talker out of the Shield. Seth Rollins is good and Roman Reigns is well you know what.
I maybe wrong but I did hear Mauro saying that he's the only wrestler to have 200 matches in 2016. I maybe botching the figure here but he had the highest no. of matches. Infact, he main evented two live shows in a day when Roman Reigns was suspended due to Wellness Policy Violation.
stingray11214
Cena is no Bruno & Cole is no Solie
Some of you act like Ambrose is being jobbed to Tyler Breeze, Bo Dallas and Curtis Axel. He is doing very well with what he has, and what he has been given. He can be put anywhere on the card and do it justice. He will NEVER be "The" guy. He does not have the look that Dunn and VKM fap over. However, he will have a very nice and long career being moved around the Upper Midcard, with forays into Main Event territory as long as he stays healthy and does nothing stupid.
Deoxyribonucleic A.C.I.D.
Kamehamehaaaaa!!
Oh well, I don't hate the guy, but I'm not a big fan either. However he really is a workhorse and given the year he had, not having anything at this year's Wrestlemania is a complete disgrace. At least that's what the rumors inidcate.
I believe he's worked more than 200 matches in 2016. I thought it was somewhere around the 300 mark. Take into account RAW and SD each week, plus the PPV's and all the live shows, that's closer to the 300 mark. He's not the only one up around that figure either. A lot of people who don't see on RAW and SD do the live shows and they are on the road pretty much 4 nights a week.
Has the Mania card been finalized yet? With the injury to Rollins and depending on what happens in the Elimination Chamber and at Fastlane, we won't know the complete card until after then. It is a shame, but with Show/Shaq, HHH and whoever, Goldberg/Lesnar, Taker and whoever, that's 4 matches right there. Plus you have the women, tag team's and the ATGBM as well.
WWE will never be good again. I'm convinced. They don't care about being good either. They don't have to. They're making money.
Goldberg/Lesnar is the only match that has any business happening as a novelty, special attraction match. Taker and Trips need to gtfo. Times up. Same old shit every year. Taker has a gut and can barely walk. Celebrity matches....SMH.
They have such a deep and talented roster, and it largely goes to waste.
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Once & Future Wrestlezone Columnist
Nowhere near...
You need to understand how factions work to realise that... you perhaps don't...
The reason for a faction is there is someone you MUST get over at all costs... someone you want to get over if you can...and someone who is a bonus if they get over from it.
Look at Evolution... Orton was the MUST get over - it was designed to make him as a top level player. Batista was the WANT... and ironically Ric Flair the bonus guy, if they got Flair over for a few more years active (as they did) then it was a bonus.
Translate that to the Wyatts more recently... They came in with Bray as a must get over... Harper as a want and Rowan as a bonus.
Why relevent?
Because with The SHIELD those roles changed... when they came in Ambrose was the must get over guy, Reigns the want and Rollins the bonus. It's the reason Dean got the US and the others the tag title... but pretty soon into it, there was some mind changing and suddenly Roman was the must get over, Rollins the want and Ambrose the bonus.
Dean didn't do anything wrong to cause that and Roman nothing good to get that... it just happened and Rollins did enough for them to want to get him to the next level. In this case, they stuck with Ambrose enough to give him the IC title and he ran with it enough to get that World title run. He got himself BACK into a better position than arguably Rollins... even post injury they've not booked Rollins as well as Dean.
So far from being a failiure, WWE has almost TOTALLY succeeded with the SHIELD experiment... Reigns will never get over to the level they want him too, but all 3 are top level talents, who sell merch, can move in and out of the main event as needed and can put on matches that will keep people interested.
Dean is arguably in the best position of the three, in that he didn't botch his run. He got a short one, did a good job and handed it over when told... no dick pics or injuries, no wellness fails.
If anything, Dean is the "model" employee in the Cena mold. Yes he's knobbing Renee Young, but that seems to be a relationship WWE is happy with rather than a Paige/Del Rio where it's a negative.
Reigns has had his "stupid" moment and the fans will never take to him as hoped, Seth always gets hurt at the wrong moment... Dean hasn't put a foot wrong and is pretty much a "safe pair of hands" - even the injury he picked up at Mania in the ladder match doesn't work against him because he sold it... the match wasn't ruined...
Dean will get another chance by year end... Seth? Maybe not... and Roman? They'll try one more time before killing it. So if Dean does end up "last man standing", then actually the original instinct 4 years ago was right... Dean was the MUST get over...as he'd have the most longevity.
You need to understand how factions work to realise that... you perhaps don't...
The reason for a faction is there is someone you MUST get over at all costs... someone you want to get over if you can...and someone who is a bonus if they get over from it.
Look at Evolution... Orton was the MUST get over - it was designed to make him as a top level player. Batista was the WANT... and ironically Ric Flair the bonus guy, if they got Flair over for a few more years active (as they did) then it was a bonus.
Translate that to the Wyatts more recently... They came in with Bray as a must get over... Harper as a want and Rowan as a bonus.
Why relevent?
Because with The SHIELD those roles changed... when they came in Ambrose was the must get over guy, Reigns the want and Rollins the bonus. It's the reason Dean got the US and the others the tag title... but pretty soon into it, there was some mind changing and suddenly Roman was the must get over, Rollins the want and Ambrose the bonus.
Dean didn't do anything wrong to cause that and Roman nothing good to get that... it just happened and Rollins did enough for them to want to get him to the next level. In this case, they stuck with Ambrose enough to give him the IC title and he ran with it enough to get that World title run. He got himself BACK into a better position than arguably Rollins... even post injury they've not booked Rollins as well as Dean.
So far from being a failiure, WWE has almost TOTALLY succeeded with the SHIELD experiment... Reigns will never get over to the level they want him too, but all 3 are top level talents, who sell merch, can move in and out of the main event as needed and can put on matches that will keep people interested.
Dean is arguably in the best position of the three, in that he didn't botch his run. He got a short one, did a good job and handed it over when told... no dick pics or injuries, no wellness fails.
If anything, Dean is the "model" employee in the Cena mold. Yes he's knobbing Renee Young, but that seems to be a relationship WWE is happy with rather than a Paige/Del Rio where it's a negative.
Reigns has had his "stupid" moment and the fans will never take to him as hoped, Seth always gets hurt at the wrong moment... Dean hasn't put a foot wrong and is pretty much a "safe pair of hands" - even the injury he picked up at Mania in the ladder match doesn't work against him because he sold it... the match wasn't ruined...
Dean will get another chance by year end... Seth? Maybe not... and Roman? They'll try one more time before killing it. So if Dean does end up "last man standing", then actually the original instinct 4 years ago was right... Dean was the MUST get over...as he'd have the most longevity.
I think they can be good again if anything SD Live has proved that. With a smaller roster they are almost beating RAW in viewership and are holding their own. The person that will put the WWE back on track will be HHH. Just look what he's done with NXT.
Once he gets his hands on the main roster I think you will see a lot of changes happen. HHH understands the product and he understand what the fans want. He gets the fact that today's fans have changed, that's something Vince either refuses to acknowledge or care about.
As for Mania, there will always be celebrity matches, part timers and so on so forth. Fans come from all over the world to see the show and the WWE has to put something out there to appeal to everyone. No not everyone wants to see Shaq v Big Show, but like I said before it is a sight to actually see someone in the ring that can look Show in the eye without having to look up at him.
Dean Ambrose doesn't have what it takes to be the main guy on a show. His run as WWE Champion was largely terrible. For me, he is th Le most boring guy to watch on any of the shows. His move set is mostly terrible and I haven't really been connecting with his gimmick until now.
That said, I think he's been finding the pocket since he became the IC Champ. Ambrose is much better in short bursts of crazy and letting his actions do the talking, I feel. With so many good characters on Smackdown and some really great talent to boot, Ambrose just doesn't seem to be on the same level. There's no doubt that AJ is a cut above him and it showed. I think the WWE have did a good job of booking him lately and it's beginning to make a mark on me. Just keep him away from the Championship and I'll be happy enough.
That said, I think he's been finding the pocket since he became the IC Champ. Ambrose is much better in short bursts of crazy and letting his actions do the talking, I feel. With so many good characters on Smackdown and some really great talent to boot, Ambrose just doesn't seem to be on the same level. There's no doubt that AJ is a cut above him and it showed. I think the WWE have did a good job of booking him lately and it's beginning to make a mark on me. Just keep him away from the Championship and I'll be happy enough.
Depends on how you look at things. Dean Ambrose is a babyface they can leave laying and they will still cheer for him the next week. Ambrose is the gatekeeper. If you want to establish a heel, a feud, get a guy read for a main event run, or form a tag team, you go to Ambrose because he will deliver. Those guys are the ones you value the most.
Jeff Deliverer of Mail
Money for nothin, chicks for free
The thing about Ambrose for me is the in ring work. I find the majority of his matches boring post Shield with a few exceptions here and there. He's improving a little, but not enough to warrant a main event. When he's really unhinged (like the time he refused to leave the arena and came back dressed as a Mountie) is when he's at his most entertaining. For me, he's right where he belongs, as a popular mid card act.
