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Wise Wise move..He might be a great wrestler, but frankly that's not enough. In my opinion a wrestler should have a unique look/gimmik. He had nothing going on expect that he's been wrestling all over the world and that he's better then everyone else.
 
Meh, just another vanilla midget IWC hero, who would have done fuck all in the WWE. Don't take me as saying he didnt have talent, he clearly had loads of it. However (comma) you can only be what the WWE allows you to be, and we all saw what he was gonna be allowed to be. Ask Evan Bourne, and every other small guy besides Rey Mysterio and CM Punk.

He would go out, do a few cool moves to give the smarks hope, but never amount to anything important, and never have a match that goes beyond 7 minutes. The WWE isnt really losing anything, and neither are fans of Danielson. Would you rather have him be shackled and watered down in the WWE, or get to have your 60 minute tiger suplex fests in the indies?

Works for everyone, I would say.
 
These reports of this being legit because Daniel Bryan choked out Justin Roberts are fucking bullshit.

BULLSHIT


Remember this report, that said all the NXT rookies were praised by everyone backstage, including Vince McMahon? You don't? Well here's a damn link:
http://www.lordsofpain.net/news/wwe/8068.html
"- All of the NXT season 1 Rookies were praised backstage after RAW last night for their work in the invasion angle. Vince McMahon
, Stephanie and Michael Hayes are said to have enjoyed the recent NXT angles with the invasion, Bryan vs. Cole and the segment where the Pro's got on the mic last week before Wade Barrett was announced as the winner."

Now this means one of these reports are utter BS, all i know is that I wont be taking any one of these dirtsheets words for SHIT and I'll wait it out and not get my panties in a bunch, and neither should any of you.
 
However (comma) you can only be what the WWE allows you to be, and we all saw what he was gonna be allowed to be.

I can't exactly agree with this statement. I mean, when WWE put Cena out there in rap-off's and paired him up with Bull f'n Buchanon.. did you really think they were telling him.. "Someday, you're gonna be the face of our industry. Main Eventing Mania's. Defeating everyone. Being one of the most Dominating Champions since Hulk Hogan. Don't you worry, you'll be huge. Until that day arrives, here's some random shit to put up with. Hope you can make it work."

Uhm, no.

Cena's charisma, and the way he got the fans attention - forced the WWE, to alter their plans for him. And make him a star. Danielson is in a very similar way. Is he the next Cena? :lmao: I wouldn't go that far, but he could certainly shock and amaze you more than you're willing to put credit out there for him to.

Ask Evan Bourne

A.) Bourne isn't on the same level. You're comparing Apples to Oranges. One Indy star for another.

B.) Bourne, un-coincidentally, has been rumored to be in line for a "major push". Does that mean Heavyweight shots and everything else? Doubtful, but for the rumors to claim McMahon is beginning to "see the light" that the best talent often comes from smaller guys, don't you think thats even more reason to think Danielson is a greater risk to lose?

The WWE isnt really losing anything

Except for a possible huge payday, that could come from the types of matches Danielson and Cena could have. Or Danielson and any other big name. Orton, Edge, even Triple H.

You're thinking too one dimensional. It seems like you're in favor of thinking the Company wouldn't lose anything from Danielson, because he isn't already as big as Cena or Taker.

When you aren't looking at the fact that at one point in time, neither Cena nor Taker.. were "as big" as Hulk Hogan. And yet both have risen to great heights.. with time.

Be.. patient.

and neither are fans of Danielson.

Except for great match-ups with top named stars, in front of huge crowds at big events? :shrug:

Would you rather have him be shackled and watered down in the WWE, or get to have your 60 minute tiger suplex fests in the indies?

Works for everyone, I would say.

The same could've been said for Shawn Michaels back during his Rockers era. He was huge in the little league he & Jannetty were in. Then they moved up to WWF, and pretty much just got a small push with no huge benefits.

Again, the way you make things sound.. its like you expect that if it was going to happen - it would have already. Be.. patient.
 
I'd just like to point out that this development will NOT make me tune in to watch Raw on Monday. None of it will. Not the NXT angle, not Danielson getting fired. None of it. Don't get me wrong, the angle sounds amazing, and i've seen the footage, but yeah, still won't be tuning into Raw anytime soon.

I'm just saying this because i've read 3 out of 16 pages and loads of you have said 'we'll all be watching Raw because we're sooooooo interested in this....'

Moving on.....

Fired for choking the ring announcer with his tie.......

Personally, i thought that particular part of the smoz that Raw ended with last week was far beyong unneccessary.

Matt Striker, former wrestler, gets kicked in the face once.

Jerry 'The King' Lawler, former wrestler, WWE HOF'er, gets a few punches.

Michael Cole shot away like a bullet.

The time keeper didn't even get touched.

Mike Chioda, a referee (who obviously is trained a little bit to take the occassional bump) was sparked out first.

Justin Roberts, the ring announcer, gets his shirt ripped off his back, thrown to the ground and stangled with his own tie.

Why did the ring announcer get the 2nd worst beating out of everyone in the arena at that point? Even Punk and Gallows were only punched, yet Justin Roberts is strangled in full view of everyone for several seconds.

Choking Cole would have made sense (although everyone would probably have cheered, and some would probably have wanted to join in), but Justin Roberts? There was no need to have him get anything other than a punch in the face, and they certainly didn't need to strip him of his shirt and be so graphic about it.

How will this affect WWE? Probably not at all. Daniel Bryan would probably have gone no further than John Morrison or Shelton Benjamin has. Daniel Bryan, in his WWE career, was another guy with impressive moves, a half decent physique, no gimmick obviously being 'a rookie', and that's it.

Brian Danielson is probably very very good on the mic when he's allowed to say whatever he likes. Of course he won't be able to do that in WWE. So therefore, he's restricted immediately. He'd also not be able to do half of his best moves, just like CM Punk isn't allowed to.

Ok, so he has varying levels of fan reactions, his highest being when he's attacking Cole. Nobody likes Cole, he's probably the biggest waste of space in WWE without being a wrestler. You could replace his blood with acid and watch him die a slow painful death, and the live audience would still cheer.

Do you honestly think that if he'd done the same angle with Lawler, that he'd be cheered? Hell no, he'd be booed senseless or no one would care, because let's face it, when was the last time Lawler had one of his cameo fueds that people actually gave a fuck about? When he fueded with Tazz some 10 years ago?

In TNA, when he's allowed to fly around iwth the X Division and then work with guys like Wolfe, Anderson, Angle, Styles, Joe etc, i'm sure he'll become a BIG name for them. It's not going to skyrocket them anywhere, but he'll probably draw a respectable amount of interest amongst wrestling fans and get a few more names watching. But that'll be by TNA standards, where he'll be allowed to work within TNA's rules. If he can't get over without swearing or having to beat people with weapons or by making taboo comments like they seem to in TNA, then why would WWE want him?

CM Punk is using the exact same gimmick he used to use in ROH and everywhere else he's been. He's now doing a much more toned down version in WWE, and it's still one of the best things going on SD. If Danielson can't do the same, then there's the door.

Since he's never had the chance to do the same as Punk yet, we'll never know unless he IS re-signed. I agree with Will's point that this guy has amazing potential and they should try to use him the same way they're using Miz, Punk, Dibiase, Truth (at the moment), Sheamus, McIntyre and soon, Barrett, to add to the ranks of 'possible ME'ers of the future'. Don't expect him to automatically do it, but give him the better angles and opponents to work with and see how he does. If he fails at least he can help others develop later.

The whole 'scapegoat' thing is the only sensible explanation i've read so far. Someone needed to get the boot for that, and since Danielson's character has already been shown attacking announcers, he was probably the best candidate.

'Bryan, you're not the only person 'Mr X' complained about, but we need to 'fire' someone, and we've already shown you to be unpredictable and a 'loose cannon', so it makes sense for us to use you as our scapegoat. Don't go looking for offers from anyone though, because we want you back. Once this is forgotten, we'll re-hire you and hey, we'll already have a gimmick to work with right? You could be the next Brian Pillman!'

Until someone does an interview with him about his release, or i read in 90 days that TNA signed him, i'm not going to buy into this entirely either, but at the same time, i'm not going to be arrogant enough like some of you to say 'it's definitely a work' or 'it's definitely real' because unless you were in Stamford this past week at WWE HQ, you don't know shit!
 
All I can say about this, is that I hope, even pray, that it is merely a work. It doesn't look like it, but I certaintly hope it is. I've just started getting into the guy and it would be a damn shame to have him released over something so petty.
 
Now you all know that Justin Roberts, is a non-wrestler, and I feel he complained about the actions that were done against him as a little "over the top". I mean look at him, he is about 130 pounds soaking wet. If it would have been Lawler, Cena, Striker, Cole, or even the freaking time keeper. He would have kept his job. I think its just Roberts, crying about how he shouldn't have been targeted the way he was for a storyline. Its obvious he has never been in a fight like that a day in his life.

Danielson will be back before the 90 day non compete clause is up. After it blows over, and it is somewhat out of peoples minds. And they will put it in for storyline purposes, probably to the fact that Roberts either told them he would sue them if they didnt do anything to Danielson, for the "treatment" he received on Raw.

Give it a couple of weeks to a month for this storyline to be furthered before he makes his grand return to the WWE as Bryan Danielson. He will be back in a month. Nothing to really cry or get agitated for.
 
Here's something else that may lend to the idea that this is a work:

Remember on NXT this week when Josh Matthews asked if Michael Cole had anything to say concerning Daniel Bryan? Cole said no, but he had this dumb grin on his face. At first I thought it was just Cole being a bad actor, but now that I think about it, it could be hinting at Bryan's departure.

I may be in the minority here, but I'm still thinking this is a work. Vince and the writing team are just putting more effort into fooling everyone, including their own employees, so as to make things more interesting.
 
Different times Will, different times.

Maybe if they allowed people to do what they could do, then we would be talking about a different story. But they don't, and they won't. Doing so is the only way a guy that size and look MIGHT get over, and it won't happen. The only reason Bourne is getting the look that he is, is becuase Cena pushed for him to. Shit, the only reason Rey got to is becuase he juiced up, and Eddie Guerrero died.

In all likelyhood, there woud have been no big money matches. He was barely over as it was. Im not saying its Danielson's fault, its just how it goes. Don't blame him, blame WWE.
 
I'm hoping this is all a work as well. I loved the invasion last week, it gave me the first "WTF!? moment" I've gotten from wrestling in quite a while.
I might be wrong but wasn't Michael Cole in charge of WWE.com not to long ago? If so, he'd easily have the ability to post fake news.
 
Different times Will, different times.

Not really.

Maybe if they allowed people to do what they could do, then we would be talking about a different story. But they don't, and they won't.

So, when Bryan Danielson/Daniel Bryan was wrestling toe-to-toe with the Company's top heel (Batista), right before Batista's big showdown with Cena.. and even in a losing effort, made the world realize he could wrestle guys that size..

He wasn't doing what he has the ability to do? :confused: Better yet, for a guy as you claim, isn't what the WWE wants to push, they still allowed him to look credible and in a lot of cases - dominating - over their top heel at the time?

I don't buy it.

Doing so is the only way a guy that size and look MIGHT get over, and it won't happen.

Err, uhm, has happened? Look around buddy.. him losing his job (kayfabe or otherwise) has caused a huge ripple. Or, uhm, tidal wave.. fuck, tsunami for what its worth. People are in an up-roar over him being "fired". So, yeah.. he's kinda already "over".

The only reason Bourne is getting the look that he is, is becuase Cena pushed for him to. Shit, the only reason Rey got to is becuase he juiced up, and Eddie Guerrero died.

Bourne will fail. Again, apples to oranges. Bourne is not Danielson, and never will be. You're comparing one indy to another.

And also different situations. Mysterio got his push, as you claim, by a death. Of what, a mid-carder at best? Well, okay - or, it could be half that and half because Mysterio sold a ton of merch. and they figured to capitalize on both situations.

Danielson has fan support in large numbers, because of shit he's done outside the WWE. Stuff, that now being hired BY the WWE, they're being forced to look at.

In all likelyhood, there woud have been no big money matches. He was barely over as it was. Im not saying its Danielson's fault, its just how it goes. Don't blame him, blame WWE.

:lmao: Are you gonna shit yourself when its all a work, leading up to a Cena/Danielson match? Granted, I'd say all of this - leading to that specific match, is a bit stupid. They shouldn't waste it on that.

But still, you seem to have banked solely on the fact he's legit 100% gone, fired and not coming back. I'm almost positive, he's sitting at home, working out how the next angle will play out on Raw. When the "outsider" continues to cause havoc.

And again, you claim he was barely over - and yet, looking around, I'd say he was more over than you ever could've imagined.
 
I see his WWE Universe profile is deleted, but I can't find the news on the WWE page. Can somebody give a link please?

Here is a quote from Danielson's twitter page. Doesn't sound too upset, but interesting nevertheless.
Just changed my twitter name to Bryan Danielson. The winds of change are stirring.
If that is true, that is one of the biggest mistakes in years. They'd have cut a flaming hot talent and ruined one of the biggest wrestling storylines ever.
If that is a work, they fire new heat into that great storyline. Just look at the impact that 'release' has caused in less than one day.

€dit: Found it!
 
Not really.



So, when Bryan Danielson/Daniel Bryan was wrestling toe-to-toe with the Company's top heel (Batista), right before Batista's big showdown with Cena.. and even in a losing effort, made the world realize he could wrestle guys that size...

Did I not just say he would be in matches that didnt go more than seven minutes doing a few cool moves, and ultamtely having the shit knocked out of him and never progressing? Did I not JUST SAY THAT two posts ago? Isn't that what that match was? Are you smoking crack?



Err, uhm, has happened? Look around buddy.. him losing his job (kayfabe or otherwise) has caused a huge ripple. Or, uhm, tidal wave.. fuck, tsunami for what its worth. People are in an up-roar over him being "fired". So, yeah.. he's kinda already "over".


LULZ sure it did, on THE FUCKING INTERNET :lmao: Will REALLY? Daniel Bryan is over on the IWC, who would have fucking guessed :lmao:



Danielson has fan support in large numbers, because of shit he's done outside the WWE. Stuff, that now being hired BY the WWE, they're being forced to look at.

Hm, those "large numbers" must have forgot to make noise every time he was on my TV :lmao:



But still, you seem to have banked solely on the fact he's legit 100% gone, fired and not coming back. I'm almost positive, he's sitting at home, working out how the next angle will play out on Raw. When the "outsider" continues to cause havoc.

I am not "banking" on anything. It very well could be a work. All Im saying is if it isnt, its not some thing people should be jumping off cliffs wailing over.

And again, you claim he was barely over - and yet, looking around, I'd say he was more over than you ever could've imagined

Looking around our internet wrestling forum. Yes. This beyond absurd, be serious, must think I am some sort of idiot to take you the least bit seriously with that. The WWE crowd will forget him within months, especially if the NXTWO angle continues.
 
I heard this news and was incredibly angry , since this seems exactly like the kind of ridiculous thing I've been waiting for since the angle on monday night.

I was thinking man this angle is awesome!...now how are WWE gonna screw this one up?

This seems to be my answer.

However, having given it a few minutes thought, I've come to conclude this is a further part of the NXT angle, most likely with some member of WWE management on raw saying that they fired Danielson to make an example of one of the rebel NXT rookies, which will in turn lead to the group threatening to rip the building apart EVERY week until Danielson is brought back.

Danielson will be back on WWE tv in a few weeks.

I've come to this conclusion from a few factors;

- Danielson has been the most pushed NXT rookie

- They debuted his full heel persona against the miz at FCW this week

- The lordofpain report which states all the NXT rookies were praised for their work in the invasion angle, Danielson's work probably being the best of the bunch

- The report that Evan Bourne is recieving a push to make way for small main eventers, the likes of Low-Ki and Danielson.

I see this as Vince giving the smarks a real curve ball, since mine and many others knee-jerk reaction was, omg its on WWE.com, so it must be true.
 

Sorry to tell you but it's nonsense. Choking Justin Roberts with a tie? Really? Any spots like that on moday would have been pre-planned with WWE and Roberts himself. It is said by other sources that it was agaist WWE policy to use objects to choke after Benoit died. But it has happened since. Didn't Cena choke Orton with handcuffs last year? I did notice, however, that Heath Slater went to choke Cena with the ring rope on monday but then decided against it.

At first I thought it's clearly a work, just look at his Twitter. It's obvious. But now I look at it, he was released from his contract. But in kayfabe, Bryan didn't have a WWE contract. He was signed to Raw for one night only. The statement from WWE is normal. It's worded the same as anyone's release statement would normally be.

I'm 50-50 at the moment. Danielson is a model professional. Despite his high impact style, he is very safe in the ring. So if its real I would guess it was his own choice. Maybe its the PG-era, toned down WWE that he didn't like. In ROH his fans chanted "you're going to get your fucking head kicked in" at his opponents. In WWE, he can't even say 'ass'. I just don't know what to believe. I seriously hope not because he is my favourite wrestler. I think it could possibly just be a worked 'shoot'.
 
It's simple.If they start releasing the other rookies,then we know it's a work.Bryan mentioning the winds of change on his twitter could mean anything as far as I'm concerned.

Interesting,I just checked WWE.com.It still says they released him,yet his NXT profile is still there.
 
I dunno why fans of his are mad. What, so you cant see Danielson have 6 minute matches and use 10% of his repretois in the WWE anymore? How ever shall we continue to live!!

Fuck. TNA champion. He would be over like fucking gangbusters in the impact zone. Epic matches with Joe, Angle, Wolfe, RVD. Come now.
 
This is fucking ridonculous.

Also, the 'winds of change are stirring' is something Wade Barrett kept saying about the NXT Invasion. Just a note, for those who are thinking of Danielson's twitter.
 
I dunno why fans of his are mad. What, so you cant see Danielson have 6 minute matches and use 10% of his repretois in the WWE anymore? How ever shall we continue to live!!

Fuck. TNA champion. He would be over like fucking gangbusters in the impact zone. Epic matches with Joe, Angle, Wolfe, RVD. Come now.

Like I said, if he is actually fired, he won't go to TNA. He's pretty business-savvy and realizes he'll lose a lot of momentum or get put in a stupid storyline that'll kill his rep.

Look at Desmond Wolfe. He first came in as someone who could give Kurt Angle a run for his money. Kurt fucking Angle, the best wrestler in the world. Now he's doing this godawful storyline with Abyss. And keep in mind, back when Wolfe was Nigel McGuinness in ROH, he was considered Bryan's equal in every way, who was the top guy in the company. I don't think Bryan would want to get involved in the whole Hogan mess anyway.
 
Here's what Wrestlingobser wrote about it:


The people who needed to know were told that Bryan Danielson was fired for choking ring announcer Justin Roberts with his tie during the angle on Monday night. That shot was edited from replays of the show. It's not known why this would lead to someone getting fired and from all accounts, Danielson was described as the type of person you want a dressing room filled with.

The choking with a tie was described as being too violent for what is allowed on WWE television.
 
Did anybody else NOT see him stiff Cena on Raw? I'm a huge Danielson fan too, but you can't just go around shooting on Vince's top draw.
 
I believe this is legit for several reasons:

1) Why would Danielson change his twitter account back to his original name when the WWE have just trademarked Daniel Bryan

2) It makes no sense to say that Daniel Bryan has been released and not the other rookies. It suggests that he was in fact employed when in terms of storyline he wasn't. It's breaking Keyfabe a little too much

3)Also the shots of spitting and the tie choke have been edited off replays
 
WWe dropped the ball..once again...okay yes he broke a rule but that is in no ways means to fire a future top contender....he chocked Justin Roberts with his tie and thats against the PG rules since the Beniot incident..i just dont see that as means for firing..if you can keep Jeff Hardy after he did drugs so many times..then why get rid of a top prospect...stupid on WWE s part and he was in a awsome fued with Miz and Cole and could most def have been in the co leader of the NXT faction....
 
Honestly the only thing holding me over is Danielson mentioning the "The winds of change are stirring." He's been pretty upfront on his twitter page and this is the 1st post that seems in character. The phrase itself gives more of a hint towards the storyline than alluding to his release. If anything, I would think he would post something more apologetic or regretful. IDK maybe im just hoping for the best but still, this is all pretty crazy. If anything, I think if it was so wrong why did they leave the camera on poor old Justin for so friggin long? And I think a simple editing would suffice if it was too graphic for tv, and they did that. So there really isn't any need to fire anybody. Again, I really REALLY hope its a work and if it is, will give WWE all the praise in the world.

Without Danielson I think this storyline loses a lot of momentum. Even for the people who didn't know him before NXT, you know damn well that he was one of the best, if not, THE best of the whole group. The only valid argument would be Barrett but Danielson still plays a vital role in the group. You can't say with a straight face that the Danielson/Cole angle wasn't the best part of NXT and it wasn't just because everyone hates Cole, you need at least 2 guys for an angle to work.

Barrett could easily pull off the leader role on his own because he is the best on the mic and he's a big guy. He could also pull his own weight in the ring too. But without Danielson the NXT "rookies" lose the plausibility that someone could actually BE better than some of the current WWE roster. Danielson has the name and he gives them even more ground to stand on when challenging the roster. One of the best moments of the whole "invasion" was Danielson yelling at Cena saying "You are not better than me!" and spitting in his face. He was the only guy that seemed to give off a sense of reasoning behind the whole attack. Danielson played an important role in letting everyone know that the NXT'ers are bitter, pissed off and want to make a statement.

As great as it is, I think this angle gets a whole lot less interesting without Danielson. WWE will lose a huge opportunity if this release is true. If it's just a work then it's single handedly one of the greatest ideas put together and the first time in a very long time that I've been impressed by the writers
 

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