Daniel Bryan is World Heavyweight Champion
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Absolutely not comparable. Jeff Hardy got a consistent, strong, year long buildup to that point, and won the title clean as can be. Bryan has been floundering in the midcard and won it the cheap way.
Hardy's pops were also rivaling those of people like Cena at that point. Bryan's... aren't.
Apparently Mark Henry had a groin injury so naturally they had to change their plans. It's disappointing as i was hoping to see Bryan/Henry headline but that's life.
Since there's so much bitching in this why don't we have Randy Orton beat Bryan at Tuesdays tapings? That what y'all wanna see right?
Since there's so much bitching in this why don't we have Randy Orton beat Bryan at Tuesdays tapings? That what y'all wanna see right?
Exactly. Biggest smark fallacy in the world is that this sort of thing diminishes the value of the belts. Fact of the matter is that the belt means exactly what WWE needs it to for storytelling purposes and only loses value if the champion or issue doesn't connect with the people. But Bryan isn't ADR. Bryan connects with people when given the chance to. He'll be just fine. The notion that he won't be because he's not at Rock's level on the mic or even Hardy's level in terms of audience connection (yet) is laughable.
Swagger's got him beat there, and even Swagger's title run was a success in terms of connecting with the audience. The follow-up was terrible and has left people with a bad taste in their mouth about his reign, but the guy got some nuclear heat at points during his reign. And Bryan has more going for him now than Swagger did then.
Come to think of it, I agree with this point a lot. But where does that leave DB? Second to last in momentum leading into his cash-in? It's still a terrible position to be in.
I REALLY hope the WWE has some interesting plans for him.
Nexus happened faster than you can snap your fingers.
R-Truth went from boring face to awesome upper-card heel faster than you can snap your fingers.
It's 2011. The necessity of build is a smark fallacy. The belts are props. Everything is a prop. And the only thing that matters is what you're doing right now. The sooner the IWC accepts how modern stars are made, the better.
Trust me, I've accepted it. And I place my faith in it. But you make it sound like we're all idiots for being a tad bit skeptical.
That general statement really doesn't back up anything, Coco. If their modern booking process is so flawless and acceptable, why did Swagger fail so badly? Therein lies our skepticism.
Swagger didn't fail. He was at the top as long as they needed him and he was more than adequate. If they needed him back at the top tomorrow, they could make it work. But it's a large roster full of guys who are worthy of top spots. There are only so many spots. Only a few guys are up there for life. The rest have to take turns until one is deemed to have broken from the pack.
Alternative theory: I might be talking complete shit. But if I let my blood boil every time WWE fails to follow-through with a push, I wouldn't be in good health. Follow-through may well matter because of the reactions CM Punk is getting now, but I just can't be arsed to care any more. I'd like to enjoy the two months I get of guys I like at the top rather than spend that time bracing myself for the inevitable fall. Some smark fallacies may not be fallacies. I mean I totally believe the belts are props and have no problem with them being treated as such, but build and follow-through might be important. But I'm, contrary to popular belief, an easy-going guy. I'm not going to let the WWE's stupidity ruin my enjoyment of professional wrestling. So if justiftying their moves make the pill easier to swallow, I'm willing to. Unhealthy? Sure. But satisfying enough.
Now let's all hold hands and sing camp fire songs.
Alternative theory: I might be talking complete shit. But if I let my blood boil every time WWE fails to follow-through with a push, I wouldn't be in good health. Follow-through may well matter because of the reactions CM Punk is getting now, but I just can't be arsed to care any more. I'd like to enjoy the two months I get of guys I like at the top rather than spend that time bracing myself for the inevitable fall. Some smark fallacies may not be fallacies. I mean I totally believe the belts are props and have no problem with them being treated as such, but build and follow-through might be important. But I'm, contrary to popular belief, an easy-going guy. I'm not going to let the WWE's stupidity ruin my enjoyment of professional wrestling. So if justiftying their moves make the pill easier to swallow, I'm willing to. Unhealthy? Sure. But satisfying enough.
Now let's all hold hands and sing camp fire songs.
Agreed 100%. All it takes is for the WWE to let him wrestle like Bryan Danielson, not Daniel Bryan, and that would go a long ways to "legitimizing" him. The Daniel Bryan we see is a poor imitation of what he is capable of doing...perhaps they decided to unleash him, and let him wrestle his way for a little while.
It doesn't take much to completely flip a crowd's opinion of a wrestler. The right promo on the right night can do it, it's all about getting the timing right. Tweak Daniel Bryan's wrestling style just a little more towards the aggressive side, even without turning him heel, and it could work.
His wrestling is just fine. I don't know why people always glorify the way he used to do things on the indies. It was good for what it was, but wrestling for television is different and he does it very well.
I only meant it in the nicest sense. When I see a relatively small guy, I find that I accept them more as a main eventer when they have a bit of an aggressive streak. I don't really want to see Indie Bryan Danielson completely return, I just want to see a little bit more of that persona mixed in. Not much, just a little. Give him a dash of Taz, with a pinch of Benoit, and a little bit more jujitsu. I am talking about a subtle shift only, just tweaking his character, rather than completely remaking it.
No disrespect but I can't even explain how much I HATE this statement. Everyone thinks that a wrestler is SO much better until they get to the WWE. They're SO much better until the WWE "waters them down." Not for nothing but wrestlers all know what they're getting into when they sign that contract. And whether you like it or not, the WWE produces the best pro-wrestling product in the world, regardless of the movesets they might tone down or characters they might overhaul. So this is basically a moot point.
I totally agree that the WWE produces the best pro wrestling product in the world, but as the Green Bay Packers just proved yesterday, sometimes even the best in the world have room for improvement sometimes. The WWE doesn't always get it right.
When did Steve Austin become a star? Certainly not when he was the Ringmaster. They took a guy who delivered one of the most epic promos of all time in his short stint in ECW, and turned him into a wasted roster space, until he broke out on his own. A few personality tweaks, skyrocketed into Superstardom.
When did Duane Johnson become a star? Certainly not when he was the 3rd generation Superstar Rocky Maivia. They took a guy with more charisma in his pinky than most people have in their entire body, and forced him down our throats to the point where people were chanting for him to die. A few personality tweaks, skyrocketed into Superstardom.
When John Layfield finally become credible? When he stopped being Justin Hawk Bradshaw, and became JBL.
When did Jean Paul Levesque become a credible main eventer? It certainly wasn't while he was the Connecticut Blue Blood.
Glen Jacobs? Well, who ever would have thought that Dr. Isaac Yankem DDS, or the fake Diesel would have enjoyed a lengthy career? It took him being completely repackaged as Kane for that to happen.
These are all guys that the WWF/E originally got WRONG. It just shows that they aren't totally infallible when it comes to finding the best fitting personalities for their wrestlers.
And I am not even talking about radical personality changes like any of those represent. I am only talking about a very subtle shift with Daniel Bryan. Just kick up the aggression a little, that's all. Just give the Daniel Bryan character a little bit of an edge to his already existing personality. I just want him to get pissed off every now and then.
This.
It came completely unexpected and Bryan had no real buildup at all, but there's still every chance to make it a great reign. And it isn't as hard to write as some of you make it out to be. There are a lot of possibilities, here's what I'd do:
Bryan come out and says he did what seemed so unlikely after all these weeks of misfortune: winning the world championship. He realized that the briefcase was more of a burden than an incentive, because all he thought about was winning the title. Therefore he wasn't able to focus, to concentrate on what he's best at: wrestling. But now, you'll not only see a stronger Daniel Bryan, you'll see the best Daniel Bryan that has ever stepped inside a wrestling ring, holding the title to show the world how good he really is.
There's one man he has to thank for this realization: Big Show. He's thankful for Show teaching him to take chances when they come. Wrestling is not about building pipe dreams - it's about striking when the opportunity arises.
Out comes Show and he's pissed. He's trying to take the belt off Bryan's shoulder, but Bryan holds on to it. Show says it was about getting the belt off Henry and not about obtaining by fraud like a coward. He tried to help Bryan against Henry - and that's the thank?
Bryan asks if taking the belt off a weakened Henry really is alright, but off a weakened Big Show cowardly. He insists on this attitude being hypocritical. He goes on to say that he's a honorable man and therefore he grants Show a match at the Rumble. Bryan extends his hand, but Show hesitates and BOOM - Right Hook.
Show laughs and says he only wanted the belt on Bryan because it'd be easier to defeat him (instead of Henry).
Bryan face, Show heel, logical progression and a first big feud and title defense to establish Bryan.
Bryan come out and says he did what seemed so unlikely after all these weeks of misfortune: winning the world championship. He realized that the briefcase was more of a burden than an incentive, because all he thought about was winning the title. Therefore he wasn't able to focus, to concentrate on what he's best at: wrestling. But now, you'll not only see a stronger Daniel Bryan, you'll see the best Daniel Bryan that has ever stepped inside a wrestling ring, holding the title to show the world how good he really is.
There's one man he has to thank for this realization: Big Show. He's thankful for Show teaching him to take chances when they come. Wrestling is not about building pipe dreams - it's about striking when the opportunity arises.
Out comes Show and he's pissed. He's trying to take the belt off Bryan's shoulder, but Bryan holds on to it. Show says it was about getting the belt off Henry and not about obtaining by fraud like a coward. He tried to help Bryan against Henry - and that's the thank?
Bryan asks if taking the belt off a weakened Henry really is alright, but off a weakened Big Show cowardly. He insists on this attitude being hypocritical. He goes on to say that he's a honorable man and therefore he grants Show a match at the Rumble. Bryan extends his hand, but Show hesitates and BOOM - Right Hook.
Show laughs and says he only wanted the belt on Bryan because it'd be easier to defeat him (instead of Henry).
Bryan face, Show heel, logical progression and a first big feud and title defense to establish Bryan.
Not taking away from what you said. I just don't share that awesome aggression that you have.
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Pourquoi?
Remember the last time he cashed in and won, Henry wasn't cleared to wrestle so it didn't count. I'm betting the WWE does the same thing this time but it will be because Big Show was "knocked out" due to the DDT into the Chair, the cash in and win doesn't count. Bryan will get the MITB briefcase back, and Big Show will get the title back.
Henry vs Show III at Royal Rumble.
Henry vs Show III at Royal Rumble.
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