Being a good wrestler is all there is to professional wrestling, unless you guys have a very different definition of what a professional wrestler is than me. I'm going to guess your definition doesn't actually take into account what it takes to be a good wrestler. You've needlessly excised, say, promo skills, haven't you?
Daniel Bryan is World Heavyweight Champion
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One thing I will say is that this is epic:
That picture is ridiculous. Punk hasn't been an indy wrestler in 5 five years, and Danielson in 2. I know they're just working the indy marks, but still. They should know better.
I'll go with "They needed to get Bryan's MitB out of the way in time for whatever he's planned to do at 'Mania."
He meant in-ring, which is why I agreed and why I don't feel Bryan should be world champion at this point in time.
Because he hasn't demonstrated all that much in the promo department along with not being over.
To both paragraphs, I'll say it'll be interesting to see what happens if the WWE has stopped playing red light green light with him.
That's not to say that I think Bryan's skills are limited to the ring. I don't.
Nor do I think that being able to put on a good match is only a small part of being a good wrestler. Rey Mysterio has that and being able to yell in broken English.
dashingperfection
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I Just dont understand what Daniel Bryan has done to make himself a credible Main Eventer?
He came back in August last year at Bragging Rights for Team WWE, had a good feud with Miz and won the US title, had a decent run and lost to Sheamus.
He won money in the bank, and then got beat on Smackdown week after week for months!
The whole thing with Mark Henry was a joke, it was the ankle injury that made Bryan look decent, i was surprised he won the fatal-4-way to get a shot at Henry. But got dominated and Henry retained, which everyone knew would happen.
He got pinned at the Slammy's in the 4-way, then the last Smackdown before TLC, he lost to Cody Rhodes clean?
I just can't see it being believable him having Main Event matches with guys like Big Show, Randy Orton, Sheamus, Henry, Undertaker and possibly getting clean wins!?
He came back in August last year at Bragging Rights for Team WWE, had a good feud with Miz and won the US title, had a decent run and lost to Sheamus.
He won money in the bank, and then got beat on Smackdown week after week for months!
The whole thing with Mark Henry was a joke, it was the ankle injury that made Bryan look decent, i was surprised he won the fatal-4-way to get a shot at Henry. But got dominated and Henry retained, which everyone knew would happen.
He got pinned at the Slammy's in the 4-way, then the last Smackdown before TLC, he lost to Cody Rhodes clean?
I just can't see it being believable him having Main Event matches with guys like Big Show, Randy Orton, Sheamus, Henry, Undertaker and possibly getting clean wins!?
Yeah but Rey Mysterio has been pushed consistently. Bryan hasn't.
As CM Punk handily proved, it can take about two weeks to go from glorified jobber to John Cena's equal. Though this implication that people who cash in their money in the bank cases have to have proven themselves as legitimate main eventers is a bit off, isn't it?
First off, this has never been a factor that determines if someone is a credible main eventer. If I recall correctly, Edge paved his world championship career path by breaking rules in order to get wins over top stars.
However, Daniel Bryan spent the majority of this year getting his ass handed to him even after he won MITB. Besides a well-fought cage match against Mark Henry, what has DB done that labels him as a formidable main eventer?
Gotta love it. WWE should have a slogan...
"Money in the Bank: Building Main Eventers One Step at a Time"
The Dragon Saga
Whale in a Teardrop
Myself and Harthan pointed this out during the RAW before the last live Smackdown, every promo Danielson has cut in the past year has been good. He hasn't done a weak promo so to insinuate that he can't speak on the microphone is an asinine attempt to make him look like a lesser performer to those who don't get by being just "good wrestlers."
Former United States Champion, countless good matches and he won the Money in The Bank briefcase. Hell, I remember when Edge won his first WWE Championship people asked, "How is he a credible Main Eventer?" And look how his career turned out, not to mention the same thing has been asked when a lot of guys have achieved the same feat, people questioned Christian winning the belt, they even questioned him losing the belt two days later and he ended up having one of the feuds of the summer and being a stand out performer.
No he didn't, he came back at Summerslam.
He had a great feud with The Miz which had a number of good matches and his reign was also better than decent. Solid at the least.
No he didn't, he lost three Smackdown's in a row, he also has numerous victories over the likes of Cody Rhodes whose now projected as WWE's next diamond in the rough heel. Hell, he made Cody tap-out four weeks ago on Smackdown in a match that included Randy Orton and Wade Barrett.
You were surprised? Why would they have had any of the other three win it when Bryan was having a side feud with Mark Henry to begin with. And of course Henry would dominate, he's x3 Danielson's size and Bryan still came close to winning it. WWE made Bryan look strong with the finish too and not everyone knew it would happen because several of us in the LD were predicting a change you dumbass.
You notice how WWE kept playing up that he had injured ribs? Hence why he lost clean, when people are injured it's a format in-which they can lose and the blame can be put down to the fact they weren't at a 100%, get a clue!
Big Show's hand is currently "broken" on television, Danielson's finisher the Lebell Lock uses an omonplata which means the next time Big Show and DBD face, whether he be face, heel or indifferent that'll be how he retains. He is built as a submission specialist, go learn your history, Chris Benoit wasn't much bigger than DBD and look how far he went as World Heavyweight Champion.
dashingperfection
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I'm more talking to people who are so pro Daniel Bryan and believe he is going to be a great World Champion now. Because of all his "indy work" and he is a great in-ring wrestler, but i can't see him holding up a great feud with any of the Main Eventers on Smackdown.
I'm going off the basis that he's a face at the moment, faces cant retain titles on wins that are gotten through cheating and whatnot. Can he?
Not for nothing but didn't this happen with CM Punk against Jeff Hardy, too?
So, my answer is yes he can.
He's a lot more than that though, man. He's dependable, hard-working, classy, good promo cutter, decent charisma, etc. He'll also be a good heel when the time comes, mark my words on that one.
Danielson has quite a few qualities that a World Champion should contain. Does he have them all? No, but he has enough to be a good representation for WWE to have as one of their World Champions, that's for sure.
I can't really disagree with much of this. But my point is that the WWE is going backwards with their building of world title contenders.
We used to see a character get built in storylines to the point where they finally deserve to grab that brass ring. Nowadays, they're handing out the brass ring in order to build a guy up. It's backwards and it's seriously devaluing their title belts.
dashingperfection
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Edge had been in the company for years and was a tag-team legend, having great matches at big events, Wrestlemania etc. Daniel Bryan's rise was just over a year.
My bad, i'm just going off what i remember, cause it was a seven on seven match.
"On the July 22 episode of SmackDown, Bryan declared he would cash in his Money in the Bank briefcase at WrestleMania XXVIII. After several months of losing matches, Bryan began a feud with World Heavyweight Champion Mark Henry" - Wikipedia.
Maybe not all in a row but had a lot of losses.
I just didnt enjoy the whole thing altogether.. i probably would have necked myself if Daniel Bryan beat Mark Henry in a cage match for the World Title, why would that have ever happened? Henry was still in the Hall of Pain gimmick, he'd destroyed countless people, maybe after the match and Big Show came out and knocked him out once again and he cashed in..
Why would they give him the belt and the Money in the Bank?
I don't aprreciate being called a dumbass, if you dont agree tell me but dont fucking abuse me.
The injured ribs was a bit stretched out, they had a great match and Rhodes didnt focus on the ribs for the win, rolled around and Cross Rhodes. I understand the concept.
When was it broken? If it was on TLC, i didnt see it, just read Bryan cashed in.
I apologize if ive actually made you angry with anything ive said, all i'm going on is that he's been rushed into the World Title picture, and dont think he's going to stay there after he loses the belt.
This is exactly what is getting to me, giving people the title to turn them into main eventers! Thank you!
Nah, if this sort of thing would diminish the World Title, then both the World and WWE Titles would already be diminished in the fans eyes. It's not like MITB is a new thing... this has been happening for 6 years now.
And let's face it... if Bryan hadn't cashed in and won the belt from Big Show last night, would we even be discussing Big Show's victory? Nobody would care. And that's not a knock at the Big Show; I think he a fantastic and underrated talent, but here's the simple truth: Been there, done that. Daniel Bryan as World Champion is new and exciting. Do I wish he could have won it at 'Mania instead? Sure, but it's still awesome he's World Champion regardless, and he's definitely someone worthy of holding that belt as I explained in my previous post.
And let's face it... if Bryan hadn't cashed in and won the belt from Big Show last night, would we even be discussing Big Show's victory? Nobody would care. And that's not a knock at the Big Show; I think he a fantastic and underrated talent, but here's the simple truth: Been there, done that. Daniel Bryan as World Champion is new and exciting. Do I wish he could have won it at 'Mania instead? Sure, but it's still awesome he's World Champion regardless, and he's definitely someone worthy of holding that belt as I explained in my previous post.
So how about we push him consistently before we give him one of the two biggest prizes in the company? Is that so much to ask?
Well, no, I'm with you in that. I don't have a particular problem with them doing it this way round, though. Momentum is easy to create as long as you don't keep changing your mind every fortnight.
They'll be going for a heel turn here. Let's be honest.
Edit: I don't know why my title is a winky face.
justinsayne
Cody Rhodes is an excellant
That's what people were saying about Miz last year after he cashed in MITB and won the WWE title. Perhaps instead of jumping the gun & saying this was a stupid decision, or a bad move on WWE's part we should sit back & see where WWE plans to go with this, you know have a little faith, maybe just try and enjoy the ride... I know it's sounds crazy but you never know WWE just might surprise you.
I agree and disagree on this statement. We tried the same thing with Swagger and CM Punk's first cash-in, remember?
justinsayne
Cody Rhodes is an excellant
Yeah, I see your point, but still wrestling fans seem to have this need to just assume everything is going to be a massive failure without ever giving WWE a chance & seeing where they plan to go with it. Christian losing the title to Orton 2 nights after winning is another example of this type of reaction from the fans, everyone jump all over that move saying it was a terrible decision & WWE was stupid for doing it, and it turned out to be one of the, if not the best feud of the past year, & gave us tons of great matches & moments. If putting the title on Bryan here is a bad decision than like with Swagger & Punk it'll just be another forgettable title reign & everyone will move on like never happened for the most part.
FunKay the Inevitable
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It's hit/miss. Punk's second, Edge's pair and Miz's were fairly succesful I'd say. It's really how WWE plan on booking this, and who they want to see carry the gold into Mania.
I agree completely. Matter of fact, I think you and I were on the same page about the Christian incident, a while back. But in this case, there had better be some spectacular booking in our future, starting tomorrow night. Daniel Bryan might be lower on the totem pole than any past MITB winner. It's really going to be like WWE pulling a rabbit out of their hat.
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