Well who is the ultimate Anti Christ to bring destruction and chaos to the world...or the WWE. Undertaker. Plus it was mentioned upon his return that Undertaker would be returning to the RAW brand for one final hoorah. Folks get ready for one final hoorah with the Deadman.
Cryptic "01/02/2012" Video - Chris Jericho Returns- KEEP IT IN HERE! - NO SPAMMING!
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There is something I noticed in the last It begins promo. When the black screen appears with "the end begins." there is some kind of mark in the right hand of the screen it seems like a pixelated mess. But when the "next monday" screen shows up the same markings are there but just before the promo cuts back to Cody/Booker the markings move around.
Now I thought these were just a imprint on my t.v but I just rewatched the promo in HD and it's there in the video, I have no idea or any theories why they are there but I just thought it was an interesting thing to point out.
Here's the video I watched:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_588135&feature=iv&src_vid=cgyJsaXuOxg&v=IZFtM45bk7M
Now I thought these were just a imprint on my t.v but I just rewatched the promo in HD and it's there in the video, I have no idea or any theories why they are there but I just thought it was an interesting thing to point out.
Here's the video I watched:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_588135&feature=iv&src_vid=cgyJsaXuOxg&v=IZFtM45bk7M
I've highlighted in red in the 1st image, and in the 2nd I've filled in the marks with white. They actually move and flicker in the video around the 50 second mark.
Links to the pics, Just in case.
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/694/nextmonday.png/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/163/nextmonday2.png/
mrblackguy93
New Member
Now here me out because it sound ridicoulous at first but after some thought and evidence it makes sense,its funaki, tajiri, taka michinoku coming to take back what is there's.. Japansese wrestlers credibility. The videos have all been like something from a horror movie.. A lot like the orignal japenese version of the ring, I can't say to much more but mark my words.
I've highlighted in red in the 1st image, and in the 2nd I've filled in the marks with white. They actually move and flicker in the video around the 50 second mark.
Links to the pics, Just in case.
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/694/nextmonday.png/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/163/nextmonday2.png/
Yes, you're right, and there are a few more of those shades on the top of the screen, but more isolated. What is that ? Can you see some kind of drawing of a face ?
edit : Forget it LOL ... Its Cody Rodes with the title, walking xD I just watched it back an forward a few times
JohnJohnson
aka JuanJuanson
What you were seeing was Cody Rhodes' jacket. The black screen was overlapping a freeze frame of the scene of Cody and Booker T walking to the ring. They unfroze it shortly before the switched to them walking so the movement of the symbols was Cody's jacket moving. I watched it in HD on a big screen and it was clear.
Yeah but it's on wrestlezone right now that he's going to be in the Memphis area from the 1st to the 3rd. Raw is in Memphis too.
Everything seems to be falling into place for Jericho to be the surprise.
I have been thinking about this here for a while. Now next monday is when wll of this will end an we will know who is behind all this. Now nowhere in any if the videos does it say this guy is returing as a wrestler. Now i know this is out of left field of where im thinkin. Maybe this person has been hired by one of the wwe hire ups an is coming in to take back wrestlin. What im gettin st is what if these videos have been from a person noone would ever see coming.someone like raven. Yes thats right i said raven. Just think what he could bring to the wwe without him even wrestlin. It has been said that he has one if the best minds in wrestlin. He is probley one of the best guys on the muc in the last ten years. I mean if they will hire the road dogg as a agent y not raven. This here could just be a way to get him on tv 4 a few months an also challenge the other guys on the mic. Like i said this is way out of left field but just somthing to think about
Just one thing to add.. If this was Chris Jericho wouldn't it say the 3rd coming ? It says in the one video it is the 2nd coming.
Also , Vince has went by more then one name over and over which could lead to it being him under another name.
I personally think it is Shane and Stephanie. But we will all find out on Monday
Also , Vince has went by more then one name over and over which could lead to it being him under another name.
I personally think it is Shane and Stephanie. But we will all find out on Monday
FlexAmerican Dynamite
WZCW WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION
At this point the only option i can fathom is Shane and Steph. I want it to be Jericho but something is telling me that since people are guessing it Vince is gonna wanna change it.
It will be Y2J and someone else. Like that promo that was for Sting but ended being Undertaker AND Triple H. jericho will fight Punk at Wrestlemania.Before that, Punk will be feuding with Jericho and his partner, wrestling with the partner at Royal Rumble and Elimination Chamber. Brodus Clay? Skip Sheffield??? What reasons i can give you to justify this thoughts? None.
The whole Shane & Stephanie thing is far far fetched. I would place a very strong bet on saying it isn't them. When promoting a big marquee main event star returning to an organization these type of vignettes work wonders especially if there are guesses like they have presently or in the past where names speculated like Sting, Y2J, Undertaker, Lesnar...all names that are bound to make business pick up.
Then you have names like The Rock who really does not need cryptic promoting, promoting on TV is enough to spike ratings for the return of The Rocks return or in his case..just showing up to add to that surprise factor.
As for Shane & Steph? DO NOT get me wrong they are big names in the wrestling business but NOT names where they can be mysteriously promoted for weeks on end to draw people to watch every week. I mean seriously, would you tune in each week to see Shane & Steph? After a while you would all bitch about it.
Shane & Steph just randomly showing up on RAW unpromoted markets itself. They don't need hype videos.
Then you have names like The Rock who really does not need cryptic promoting, promoting on TV is enough to spike ratings for the return of The Rocks return or in his case..just showing up to add to that surprise factor.
As for Shane & Steph? DO NOT get me wrong they are big names in the wrestling business but NOT names where they can be mysteriously promoted for weeks on end to draw people to watch every week. I mean seriously, would you tune in each week to see Shane & Steph? After a while you would all bitch about it.
Shane & Steph just randomly showing up on RAW unpromoted markets itself. They don't need hype videos.
First post...
Anyway is this what you are talking about?
Yeah this is the one I'm talking about. To the far right corner of the screen there is a man standing near the tree wearing a white shirt. I don't think it is a tree or any other thing. It is simply a man for whom 1.2.12 is for. If it is not him then well...
Da Muddaship
It was ME, AUSTIN!!!
Not so...Jericho's debut and 2nd coming were at the top of the 2nd hour...that's so the announcers can continue to hype it up how big a deal it is for the rest of the show to keep you tuned in, like a 'post game analysis'. The 'end of show' returns are always the unexpected, surprise ones...."What's his business here? Hopefully we'll get some answers...NEXT WEEK!!" to get you to do just that.
boywithbluehanger
I have to poop.
I think it's Vince McMahon announcing the finalization of reattaining use of the acronym WWF from the World Wildlife Fund.
No but seriously, all of the visuals point to Undertaker while much of what's being said points to Jericho. Undertaker should return but as someone mentioned before, he doesn't really need any promo. Of course the same could be said for Jericho but his "comings" in the WWE have always been kick-started by a "read between the lines" promo so this is certainly up his alley. Not to mention the never be the same again line from one of them.
No but seriously, all of the visuals point to Undertaker while much of what's being said points to Jericho. Undertaker should return but as someone mentioned before, he doesn't really need any promo. Of course the same could be said for Jericho but his "comings" in the WWE have always been kick-started by a "read between the lines" promo so this is certainly up his alley. Not to mention the never be the same again line from one of them.
The Big Red Machine
The Big Red Machine
It is not Y2J he has already stated on his twitter "i am not coming back get over it"
I like the way wwe are going right now compared to 2 years ago when it was just poor. The key words that I found from the video are "HE IS COMING" "SECOND COMING" if it was edge it would be a big shock we would all be fooled or maybe the american badass cause undertaker wouldn't suit coming back as the deadman since he is bald just wouldn't be right. maybe an steph an shane, steph being the girl in the video and shane being the boy. "THE END AS YOU KNOW IT" maybe that is a reference to the wwe universe coming to an end for more edgier programming. one things for sure i cant wait till next week.
I like the way wwe are going right now compared to 2 years ago when it was just poor. The key words that I found from the video are "HE IS COMING" "SECOND COMING" if it was edge it would be a big shock we would all be fooled or maybe the american badass cause undertaker wouldn't suit coming back as the deadman since he is bald just wouldn't be right. maybe an steph an shane, steph being the girl in the video and shane being the boy. "THE END AS YOU KNOW IT" maybe that is a reference to the wwe universe coming to an end for more edgier programming. one things for sure i cant wait till next week.
Just the fact that Jericho denies involvement makes me think its him. Remember last year he said he was going to retire after losing a certain match on Twitter and then the next day (it was a PPV) on RAW he appeared and told ppl on twitter not to believe everything they hear on the internet.
VinnieSunshine
The lord of darkness
I think you need to go back and read the part at the end where I said
Kane came back at the end of the show, he just explained WHY he attacked Cena at the end of this RAW.
When Jericho came back the last time it was at a point where WWE was faltering. They needed something big to kick off Smackdown and start a feud with Orton. When he first came to WWE, it was at the top of the show interrupting the biggest star and starting a feud with The Rock.
You cant honestly say, more-so after now knowing the ME of RAW, that you expect Jericho to return at anypoint in the show. OF COURSE its going to be at the end.
DiamondCaige
Moves Like Jagger...Bank On It.
Let's look at the possibilities.
The Undertaker
He doesn't really need promos and in fact, I'd be more surprised if he just showed up without them. These are dark, yes, but that doesn't mean it has to be The Undertaker. If The Undertaker showed up without promos, I would be far more surprised. I would be dumbfounded and literally sitting there thinking "This was so out of the blue!" Besides. What's he going to do from now until Wrestlemania anyway? Feud with Santino? There's no other feud that he could work that would make sense or even entertain me at this point. I say this is a no-go. 0% Chance The Undertaker is behind "It Begins".
Chris Jericho
He denied it. He's continually denying it. He will be in Memphis on the first through the third. He claims Fozzy is hitting the studio again within the next few months to record a new album.
As someone mentioned before, he denied Dancing with the Stars, but he was on that, wasn't he? Another person also mentioned that he told people not to believe everything they read on the internet...So why are we all assuming it's Jericho if we're not believing everything we read on the internet? I'll say this. If it is Jericho on Monday, I'll watch every WWE show for the entire year, including NXT and Superstars. If it's not, I can save myself the tedious hours of Jobbers and Drew McIntyre. I'm giving this one a 50% chance.
Cena's Heel Turn
This one seems the most likely out of everything I'm reading on the forums. The ItBegins Twitter once said "You will not be disappointed." Now think of it this way. The entire IWC is jumping up and down for a Cena heel turn. The WWE is starting to please the IWC more and if you don't believe me, go take a look at who your champions are. They're all our favorites. Punk, Ryder, Kingston, Bourne, Rhodes, Bryan and Phoenix. All the IWC's favorites. It could possibly lead to the WWE pleasing us even more by turning Cena heel. Maybe these promos were originally for someone else, but the deal fell through and now they're for a Cena heel turn. This one seems the most likely to me and I'm personally hoping it's this or Jericho. I give this one a 90% chance.
The Undertaker
He doesn't really need promos and in fact, I'd be more surprised if he just showed up without them. These are dark, yes, but that doesn't mean it has to be The Undertaker. If The Undertaker showed up without promos, I would be far more surprised. I would be dumbfounded and literally sitting there thinking "This was so out of the blue!" Besides. What's he going to do from now until Wrestlemania anyway? Feud with Santino? There's no other feud that he could work that would make sense or even entertain me at this point. I say this is a no-go. 0% Chance The Undertaker is behind "It Begins".
Chris Jericho
He denied it. He's continually denying it. He will be in Memphis on the first through the third. He claims Fozzy is hitting the studio again within the next few months to record a new album.
As someone mentioned before, he denied Dancing with the Stars, but he was on that, wasn't he? Another person also mentioned that he told people not to believe everything they read on the internet...So why are we all assuming it's Jericho if we're not believing everything we read on the internet? I'll say this. If it is Jericho on Monday, I'll watch every WWE show for the entire year, including NXT and Superstars. If it's not, I can save myself the tedious hours of Jobbers and Drew McIntyre. I'm giving this one a 50% chance.
Cena's Heel Turn
This one seems the most likely out of everything I'm reading on the forums. The ItBegins Twitter once said "You will not be disappointed." Now think of it this way. The entire IWC is jumping up and down for a Cena heel turn. The WWE is starting to please the IWC more and if you don't believe me, go take a look at who your champions are. They're all our favorites. Punk, Ryder, Kingston, Bourne, Rhodes, Bryan and Phoenix. All the IWC's favorites. It could possibly lead to the WWE pleasing us even more by turning Cena heel. Maybe these promos were originally for someone else, but the deal fell through and now they're for a Cena heel turn. This one seems the most likely to me and I'm personally hoping it's this or Jericho. I give this one a 90% chance.
somehetero
Dark Match Winner
LOL @ all the idiots saying Sting. Sting is UNDER CONTRACT WITH TNA.
Also, the "ItBegins" twitter is an imposter. The guy has posted several links to pictures that are borderline porn and would NEVER be approved by the WWE for use during the PG Era. He was called on it by several different twitter users and promptly deleted the tweets and the replies.
Cena's heel turn is a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ANGLE that's now involving Kane. It's ridiculous to think that an angle involving cryptic promos hyping the return of a superstar would be for someone who is already involved in one of the top angles going right now.
Also, the "ItBegins" twitter is an imposter. The guy has posted several links to pictures that are borderline porn and would NEVER be approved by the WWE for use during the PG Era. He was called on it by several different twitter users and promptly deleted the tweets and the replies.
Cena's heel turn is a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ANGLE that's now involving Kane. It's ridiculous to think that an angle involving cryptic promos hyping the return of a superstar would be for someone who is already involved in one of the top angles going right now.
JohnJohnson
aka JuanJuanson
Here is the main reason I think it's Jericho. A while back Punk's contract was about to be up and he wanted to walk out because he thinks he wasn't being treated fairly. A lot of people have been speculating that the reason WWE pushed superstars like Punk, Bryan and Ryder was for them to fail and show that he is right and the IWC is wrong. Vince gave Punk multiple title reigns and even let him work commentary to keep him on tv when he was injured. I think Vince took it as a sign of disrespect when Punk wanted to leave after all Vince had done for him. Also Punk walks around as if he is God's gift to the WWE and ascts as if he is above people like the Rock(who left after paying his dues as opposed to Punk's leaving). Now what does this have to do with Jericho? I believe the Vince is bringing Jericho to squash Punk. Part of me even thinks that the whole reason he gave Punk such a great contract deal, new shirts, new angle, new song, ice cream bars, title etc was just to keep him around for this squash. Vince doesn't seem to be the kind of guy who likes to take demands, especially not from someone like Punk. It's been said here many times that Vince doesn't like people that were made outside of the WWE. Vince knows that Jericho can and would willingly squash Punk. Hell Jericho himself expressed his discontent with Punk stealing his material. Now Punk is known for his mic skills and his ring work. Punk's mic skills pale in comparison to Jericho's. Punk is hit and miss with his promos. Jericho can cut an excellent promo on command every single time. And Jericho is excellent at making fun of people. He's the type of person that would expose every single fallacy about Punk, if given the go ahead by McMahon, and the beauty of it is he can do it while keeping it Kayfabe or by doing what Punk thinks he is doing by breaking down that "fourth wall". As far as in-ring ability goes Jericho far exceeds punk. He is far more dynamic and could carry anyone IMO. Not to mention if Punk where to botch anything in his match I doubt Jericho would hesitate to make it known. This is the guy that, once WWE went PG, would say stuff like "get up you big stupid" to an opponent to mock the fact that it's PG. So given that I don't see Jericho showing Punk any mercy considering that he already has a problem with Punk and, if my theory is correct, has permission from Vince. There is already talk about pulling the strap from Punk, as well as moving him the the B show. I honestly believe that Vince wants to bury Punk and is using Jericho as the shovel. Jericho will come and destroy Punk in every area. Especially if Punk were to try and "shoot" with Jericho. Jericho is well established, has nothing to lose, and is well off without the WWE. I believe this to be a favor to his former boss. And the icing on the cake is that the IWC wanted Jericho to return and the squash would be a legit one, rather than a written "de-push". Punk being embarassed by Jericho and losing to Jericho would be a very believable thing. Also, the fact that it's Chris Jericho, and the fact that he has been hyped so much, will allow Vince to squash Punk while simultaneously boosting ratings. This will only give him that much more reason to pull the plug on Punk's push as he can use the ratings drop against him. If the ratings go up when punk is being squashed that is a way for him to "legitimize" the squash.
If the female in the video is Stephanie, as many have speculated, then this would only further my burial theory. Not only because of the on-screen disrespect, but the fact that Punk disrespected her father by trying to walk out in real life. If it's Stephanie, then I think she will almost be an insurance policy to amke sure Punk is properly buried. Punk seems to have this infatuation with "shooting" as of late and if he gets backed into a corner by Jericho and decides to "cross the line" with any of his promos or tweets, Steph has the power to punish him. Not to mention her husband is running things. If my theory is right Jericho will be able to provoke Punk further and further until Punk pulls the trigger on himself, so to speak, by crossing those in Power. Vince is not the person to mess with, because he will go out of his way to get even. He is very clever when it comes to these things.
The last reason that I think it will be Jericho is the fact that, with this amount of hype, it has to be a big star. Who are the biggest stars on the roster? Cena, Kane, Miz, Del Rio, Punk. Del Rio is injured, Miz is in an angle with Truth and Cena is in an angle with Kane which leaves Punk as the only person high enough on the card to feud with the returning superstar. Who better for a Punk feud than Jericho? In a way, the IWC gets what they've been demanding, which will take the blame away from Vinny Mac. He gets to have the last laugh in all of this and no body can blame him because he is, in a way, only fulfilling our requests. Thoughts on this?
If the female in the video is Stephanie, as many have speculated, then this would only further my burial theory. Not only because of the on-screen disrespect, but the fact that Punk disrespected her father by trying to walk out in real life. If it's Stephanie, then I think she will almost be an insurance policy to amke sure Punk is properly buried. Punk seems to have this infatuation with "shooting" as of late and if he gets backed into a corner by Jericho and decides to "cross the line" with any of his promos or tweets, Steph has the power to punish him. Not to mention her husband is running things. If my theory is right Jericho will be able to provoke Punk further and further until Punk pulls the trigger on himself, so to speak, by crossing those in Power. Vince is not the person to mess with, because he will go out of his way to get even. He is very clever when it comes to these things.
The last reason that I think it will be Jericho is the fact that, with this amount of hype, it has to be a big star. Who are the biggest stars on the roster? Cena, Kane, Miz, Del Rio, Punk. Del Rio is injured, Miz is in an angle with Truth and Cena is in an angle with Kane which leaves Punk as the only person high enough on the card to feud with the returning superstar. Who better for a Punk feud than Jericho? In a way, the IWC gets what they've been demanding, which will take the blame away from Vinny Mac. He gets to have the last laugh in all of this and no body can blame him because he is, in a way, only fulfilling our requests. Thoughts on this?
Sir, If Vince wanted to squash CM Punk, he'd use Mark Henry/Brodus Clay/Big Show for that purpose 
. In all seriousness, I think your theory makes no sense whatsoever. If Vince wants to bury someone he'll do it in his ways. Why should Jericho be brought to bury him? He can use current superstars like he did to John Morrison. If Vince doesn't like talents outside of WWE, He may not like Jericho as well because he came from WCW. The shoot CM Punk did was a "Worked Shoot". Do you believe Vince would let any guy show up in the ending and talk shit about him and his family? No. That segment would probably be cut. Vince has a big Ego. He will bury people he doesn't like. But your theory is completely wrong. In fact, you don't know what "Burial" means. Losing matches doesn't necessarily mean to bury. Bury means not giving air time, giving matches against lower card, losing against someone who seldom wins, making someone look weak etc. Drew McIntyre used to be buried. John Morrison was buried. Ken Anderson was buried. So, your theory is little out of order.JohnJohnson
aka JuanJuanson
I'm not talking about a Kayfabe squash. I'm talking about someone who will legitimately make Punk look bad to fans. Punk shines in a transitional period with lack of star power but in all honesty he is more or less a second rate Chris Jericho and I believe Vince knows this. Chris will make Punk look bad by comparison because anything that Punk is good at, Jericho is simply better at.
Because Jericho would legitimately bury the guy. Not some Kayfabe burial in which a superstar suddenly starts jobbing to everyone and then gets either "injured", fired or moved to Superstars. I mean someone who will come in and truly expose Punk as being a second rate performer. Chris, I believe, can open a lot of people's eyes to Punk's overratedness.
That's true. Though I think Vince is more biased against indy wrestlers than those that he "stole" from his main competitor. Also Jericho payed his dues to the WWE and I'm sure had plenty of support from other influential superstars at the time. Also there are always exceptions. Look at the trouble he went through to get DB. Plus I only said, "It's been said here many times..". I'm not necessarily saying it's true or false.
Seriously? Are you going to tell me that the match outcomes are predetermined also? I believe that everyone on this site knows that the shoot was worked. Just like everyone here knows wrestling is fake. However, even the the shoot was worked, there were still several elements of truth there. Hence the reason it's called a "worked shoot" as opposed to simply a "promo". With this whole "reality era" thing going on and the fact that non-kayfabe things are being used in the show, I believe Chris Jericho can excel. Chris could easily point out fallacies with Phil. Would Vince let people talk shit about him and his family? Yes to an extent if it makes him money.
Yes Vince has a big ego and I don't think he respects Punk after what he did. I'm talking about trying to leave the company in real life, not the kayfabe stuff. That's why I think he will bury him especially since he is pretty much done milking that cash-cow. I know what bury means. Look at your statement that I bolded. That is exactly what my post was about. Making Punk look weak or second rate. Punk shines when there is a lack of star power. After Jericho comes back, people will quickly realize that he isn't the "best in the world". Again, everything that Punk is good at, Jericho is simply better at. Any great promo that Punk can cut, will be outshined by a better one from Jericho. Anything Punk can do in the ring, Jericho can do and make it look better. Anytime Punk makes a mistake or botches anything, Jericho can highlight. It's not about Punk losing the matches. It's about Punk being made to look weaker and as a second rate imitation. Once that is done, he will no longer have the "credibility" he has now and therefore will no longer be main eventing. There's the less air time you mentioned. If he's not main eventing, he won't be competing against main eventers. He will compete with lower card superstars. There goes the giving him lower card matches you mentioned. He won't be super unbeatable anymore, nor will he have the same fan following as he did during his mega push, therefore he will eventually become fodder for rising stars. You know the superstars that aren't over yet and seldom win. Yes those superstars you mentioned were buried. But they were all just suddenly inexplicably buried. They were just suddenly dropped. In the way that I mentioned Vince will have probable cause for the burial because people will lose faith in Punk and Punk will look bad. If Vince has been satisfying the IWC by pushing the "IWC darlings" just to show how badly they would fail, as many people have been saying, then what better way to bury the IWC's favorite darling than by doing it by satisfying the IWC's requests for Jericho.
Again this is a theory. I'm not Vince and I don't know what goes through his mind. I just know that someone with as big of an ego as his wouldn't just accept one of his key talents walking out during a transitional period in which star power has been lacking. Vince lost some major star power to retirements/injury/other endeavors and then one of his more solid workers decides he wants to leave despite the fact that Vince gave him several titles, some good storylines, 2 stables, and a commentary spot while he was injured. If Vince's ego is as big as people say, then having to give that superstar new merchandise, new music, more money, more title reigns, not to mention drop the whole Nexus angle(which was arguably their biggest draw for several months) just to not only turn the guy face, but make him top face(dropping their current top face from the ME and title picture) would be a pretty big pill to swallow. And if Vince's ego is that big then he wouldn't swallow such a thing without having the last laugh. Someone with as big of an ego as Vince would see himself as above his employees. The fact that one of his employees backed him into a corner and basically forced Vince to meet his demands would just eat at his ego.
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