Cm Punk got 2 major feuds focused on him, for 2 years wwe has called him the best in the world, now it seems more like wwe is focused on the new face d bryan, which leads me to believe punk didnt work out like wwe thought he would? will wwe ever give punk a major run again or is this kinda like jericho for punk jobbing to curtis?
Cm Punk Won't ever be top face?
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Punk was champ for 434 days, lost it to The Rock, lost again to The Rock, lost to The Undertaker at mania, took time off, came back beat jericho, and has had a great feud with Heyman/Lesnar/Axel. Just because he is not feuding with the corporation right now doesn't mean he's not the top face. Punk needs feuds that are far away from the title, he shouldn't even have interaction with the champion or the champions opponent(s). Daniel Bryan is being booked as THEE top face right now. But I would say that as we inch closer to Wrestlemania season Punk will start heading back towards the championship picture.
Plus, at some point I have to believe that Punk is going to get involved with this Corporation 2.0 angle. He's too good, not to be on tv every week verbally abusing Steph. And imagine the pop when Punks music hits and he finally does get involved.
so to answer your question, yes. Punk is, and will forever be considered a main eventer in my eyes.
Plus, at some point I have to believe that Punk is going to get involved with this Corporation 2.0 angle. He's too good, not to be on tv every week verbally abusing Steph. And imagine the pop when Punks music hits and he finally does get involved.
so to answer your question, yes. Punk is, and will forever be considered a main eventer in my eyes.
The Fabulous Rougeau's
Championship Contender
Have to disagree with the OP here. The biggest sign that Punk is a top face is that he is nowhere near the HHH/Orton thing right now. This story is being used to establish Bryan so that he joins Cena and Punk at that top level. Now the other guys in that story (Show, Henry, Ziggler and Rhodes) are getting a much needed rub and a chance to show there worth in a top story.
What really cements Punk's top spot is that when HHH has all the wrestlers come out at the end of the show Punk is no where to be seen. And when HHH talked to Heyman on last night's Raw HHH in no way put down or belittled Punk.
If anything, Punk is starting to enter the Cena zone of being so big that he can have major fueds that do not involve the title. Cena has been doing it for years, and now Punk is starting to get that treatment. It began with Taker, but really that doesn't count because Taker at Mania is another animal. But Punk's work with Brock and Heyman is establishing Punk being able to have main event feuds without the title. Now working with Brock and Heyman make it easy. The real test will be once Punk finishes up with Heyman. If he does not transition immediately to the WWE Title it will be interesting to see who his next feud will be with and if he can make it as meaningful as his stuff with Brock and Heyman.
What really cements Punk's top spot is that when HHH has all the wrestlers come out at the end of the show Punk is no where to be seen. And when HHH talked to Heyman on last night's Raw HHH in no way put down or belittled Punk.
If anything, Punk is starting to enter the Cena zone of being so big that he can have major fueds that do not involve the title. Cena has been doing it for years, and now Punk is starting to get that treatment. It began with Taker, but really that doesn't count because Taker at Mania is another animal. But Punk's work with Brock and Heyman is establishing Punk being able to have main event feuds without the title. Now working with Brock and Heyman make it easy. The real test will be once Punk finishes up with Heyman. If he does not transition immediately to the WWE Title it will be interesting to see who his next feud will be with and if he can make it as meaningful as his stuff with Brock and Heyman.
Punk is a top face and easily a main eventer. His pipebomb followed by the 434 days title reign definitely established him as one. But the reason WWE is investing so much in Bryan is because Punk isn't going to be around for long, there's rumors that he will retire when his contract expires at 2015 or when he main events a Wrestlemania. In terms of long term Bryan is definitely more important to the WWE than Punk right now.
cmpunk vs austin
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Got to wwe shop and check on the right hand side where superstar names are. Only john cena and cm punk have a scroll down option because of the overwhelming amount of merchandise. The only two that the most merchandise sells is punk and cena. Punk always gives 5 * star matches wherever he wrestles, what was ortons match rating at wrestlemania 29 compared to cm punk who arguably along with ut saved the ppv
It's called business. At the minute it isn't the time for CM Punk to be involved in the Corporation/Daniel Bryan storyline. If you look back at the history of the WWF/WWE or any wrestling company for that matter, wrestlers get rotated in and out of the main events to stop them getting stale and held in reserve until it's time for the money feuds. Punk is one of WWE's most popular babyface's and will enter the title chase probably early next year or at Wrestlemania. What worries me though is the lack of top level heels for Punk to feud with in the interim, after Heyman what does Punk do next?
Spidey Revivey
Porn is okay here long as it ain't dudes.
Would you rather watch CM Punk go for the title month after month until everyone loses interest?
He sells more merchandise than anybody who's name isn't John Cena. So how does that lead you to believe he isn't working out?
No. They won't ever give one of their highest selling superstars a major run ever again.
The Eighties
Forward Thinking Nostalgist
The fact Punk is not in an offshoot of the main angle and is never on the stage for the weekly destruction of Bryan tells you how he's positioned in the WWE, it's very similar to how HBK and Taker were used in the past, guys that could give the show a second big angle outside the WWE title angle.
Eventually I think he will be involved but right now for the building of Bryan they have to keep him separate as if you want to promote a new MC you don't ask him to take the mic in a battle rap after Eminem has just shredded someone.
Eventually I think he will be involved but right now for the building of Bryan they have to keep him separate as if you want to promote a new MC you don't ask him to take the mic in a battle rap after Eminem has just shredded someone.
This.
They are trying to prevent putting all their eggs into the HHH angle basket. Having Punk separate and feuding with Heyman ensures that Raw doesn't become all about one angle which is important. Especially, with Cena and Sheamus out and Alberto Del Rio as the World Champ.
Punk is still very important within the WWE, hence him facing The Rock, Taker and Brock in PPVs this year. I'm not sure if Bryan is ranked higher but they can both co-exist at the top. After the Heyman feud ends or is paused they can easily but Punk into the HHH feud. Punk is the perfect person to rebel against the men in suits because he, like Bryan, would seemingly be willing to wrestle anywhere plus he is a smaller wrestler that well doesn't look like Randy Orton.
Poop Master Flex
Mid-Card Championship Winner
I don't recall Punk ever getting the face reactions that Bryan did on a week to week basis. There's just something endearing about Bryan that can connect with the fans on a much more primal level than with Punk.
You also gotta remember that Punk was never designed to be the top guy and a lot of it was just bad timing. When Punk was the talk of the wrestling world it was already decided that the next 2 WM main events were going to be Rock vs. Cena and that reason in itself caused a big problem for Punk. Outside of a few months after the famous Punk promo everything was about Rock vs. Cena so Punk didn't have much of a chance to be top dog. Punk had to break away from the main spot and had to take the #2 spot as the #1 spot was gonna be Rock vs. Cena for the foreseeable future. If the situation was a little different Punk may have had that chance to be #1 but by the time he had a chance (after WM29) it wasn't gonna happen as Bryan had already became more popular than Punk by that time. With that Bryan got to build momentum week to week, got to be put in the spot and he capitalized on it, he proved he could be the #1 guy in the last year and a half but it also happened at the perfect time for him. It happened for Bryan when Cena and Rock was done and not much was going on in the main event scene. In essence the spot was wide open for Bryan but it wasn't wide open for Punk. After Rock vs. Cena 1 Punk's sails had already cooled down to a point that he wasn't gonna be the face, if they built on his momentum better he may have had a shot.
In either event I think Bryan is the better pick. Bryan resonates with more fans (hardcore and casual alike) than Punk ever will. I love Punk but to some he comes off as a whiny prick. Bryan is small and skilled like Punk but he comes off as a much more likable person.
You also gotta remember that Punk was never designed to be the top guy and a lot of it was just bad timing. When Punk was the talk of the wrestling world it was already decided that the next 2 WM main events were going to be Rock vs. Cena and that reason in itself caused a big problem for Punk. Outside of a few months after the famous Punk promo everything was about Rock vs. Cena so Punk didn't have much of a chance to be top dog. Punk had to break away from the main spot and had to take the #2 spot as the #1 spot was gonna be Rock vs. Cena for the foreseeable future. If the situation was a little different Punk may have had that chance to be #1 but by the time he had a chance (after WM29) it wasn't gonna happen as Bryan had already became more popular than Punk by that time. With that Bryan got to build momentum week to week, got to be put in the spot and he capitalized on it, he proved he could be the #1 guy in the last year and a half but it also happened at the perfect time for him. It happened for Bryan when Cena and Rock was done and not much was going on in the main event scene. In essence the spot was wide open for Bryan but it wasn't wide open for Punk. After Rock vs. Cena 1 Punk's sails had already cooled down to a point that he wasn't gonna be the face, if they built on his momentum better he may have had a shot.
In either event I think Bryan is the better pick. Bryan resonates with more fans (hardcore and casual alike) than Punk ever will. I love Punk but to some he comes off as a whiny prick. Bryan is small and skilled like Punk but he comes off as a much more likable person.
In 1999, when The Rock was anointed as the Corporate Champion, the hand-picked face of the company by Vince McMahon, his first opponent was not Steve Austin - even though he was clearly the top face in the company. In fact, Steve Austin was feuding mainly with Vince and couldn't get close to The Rock or the title at that point. Instead, The Rock went back and forth with Mick Foley - he beat Foley to win the Title, then lost it to Foley on Monday Night Raw at the end of 1998. This led to the classic I quit match at the Royal Rumble, and the not so classic empty arena match during half time the night of the Super Bowl. As great as this feud was, as heavily invested as fans were in Mick Foley in 1999, this entire feud was nothing more than a means to keep Austin and The Rock away from each other for a few months until they could have the big payoff at WrestleMania.
The point is this - the reign of Triple H's hand-picked champion is likely to last at least through WrestleMania. Sure, Orton and Bryan could play hot potato with the belt between now and then as Rock and Foley did, but the totality of this angle is too big for the payoff to come before WrestleMania - and that payoff is clearly Orton losing the strap for good. Unfortunately for Bryan fans, he appears to be getting his chance at Orton now, and it's unlikely he'll find himself back in line for a title match in March/April.
So that leaves either Punk or Cena to join this program and take down Orton at WrestleMania. Certainly, the smart money is on Cena getting that opportunity since he is unquestionably the top face in the company. The problem with him, however, is that Cena vs Orton would be shit on by a lot of fans. Consider that the WWE wants a huge payoff - a huge reaction from the fans - when Orton drops the belt at 'Mania. Would they get that if Cena won - or would half the crowd boo? For me, that takes Cena out of the picture, and it inserts the only guy left standing - CM Punk.
So to answer your question - No, I don't think the WWE has lost faith in CM Punk at all.
The point is this - the reign of Triple H's hand-picked champion is likely to last at least through WrestleMania. Sure, Orton and Bryan could play hot potato with the belt between now and then as Rock and Foley did, but the totality of this angle is too big for the payoff to come before WrestleMania - and that payoff is clearly Orton losing the strap for good. Unfortunately for Bryan fans, he appears to be getting his chance at Orton now, and it's unlikely he'll find himself back in line for a title match in March/April.
So that leaves either Punk or Cena to join this program and take down Orton at WrestleMania. Certainly, the smart money is on Cena getting that opportunity since he is unquestionably the top face in the company. The problem with him, however, is that Cena vs Orton would be shit on by a lot of fans. Consider that the WWE wants a huge payoff - a huge reaction from the fans - when Orton drops the belt at 'Mania. Would they get that if Cena won - or would half the crowd boo? For me, that takes Cena out of the picture, and it inserts the only guy left standing - CM Punk.
So to answer your question - No, I don't think the WWE has lost faith in CM Punk at all.
Lord_Frish
Occasional Pre-Show
If they have given up on CM Punk they are going about it in a strange way. Lets look at his PPV matches this year.
Royal Rumble and Elimination Chamber vs The Rock,
Wrestlemania vs The Undertaker,
Payback vs Chris Jericho,
MitB match which included the biggest stars WWE could muster,
Most recently vs Brock Lesnar at Summerslam.
Even though he lost all but one of those matches, that does not look like how anyone would book someone they had given up on. CM Punk fought 3 of the all time greats in succession this year. They trust CM Punk as a face and a heel and they know he can outdraw almost anyone.
With Wrestlemania 30 coming up you know that WWE want the most epic ending possible. They want that moment we can look back on for decades, they tried it at Mania 20 but Benoit's actions have obviously destroyed that moment for WWE. CM Punk will be someone they are thinking about as being able to deliver that huge payoff, someone who can make the crowd chant louder than ever on the biggest stage they have on one of the most important anniversaries of their biggest show no less.
Royal Rumble and Elimination Chamber vs The Rock,
Wrestlemania vs The Undertaker,
Payback vs Chris Jericho,
MitB match which included the biggest stars WWE could muster,
Most recently vs Brock Lesnar at Summerslam.
Even though he lost all but one of those matches, that does not look like how anyone would book someone they had given up on. CM Punk fought 3 of the all time greats in succession this year. They trust CM Punk as a face and a heel and they know he can outdraw almost anyone.
With Wrestlemania 30 coming up you know that WWE want the most epic ending possible. They want that moment we can look back on for decades, they tried it at Mania 20 but Benoit's actions have obviously destroyed that moment for WWE. CM Punk will be someone they are thinking about as being able to deliver that huge payoff, someone who can make the crowd chant louder than ever on the biggest stage they have on one of the most important anniversaries of their biggest show no less.
