Chicago crowd will be a prime example of internet wrestling fans's stupidity

[closet_fan]

Honestly, I am wondering if we as viewers at home will even notice anything. I am sure the WWE will finagle with the audio so much, that it might seem like the crowd is causing a riot, but we won't be able to hear any of it on tv.

Just like when Jake the Snake came out. The crowd appeared dead on tv, but people in attendance said they went nuts.

 

[Barnett114]

Yes OP because most of the crowd will be internet wrestling fans.

 

[L@RISANO]

He didn't get put in the top by being booked to win every match the way Cena was.

I agreed with the majority of what you said except this.

John Cena also became success because he got over with a Rap gimmick and as a heel. I distinctly remember how the crowd chanted for him at the 2005 Royal Rumble and then the Huge Pop he got when he moved to RAW later that year.

The booking of Cena is what established his position at the top and it is that same kind of booking that establishes every superstar who gets over.

 

[ProWrestlingFan]

The people who think Punk walked-out because of Daniel Bryan are the most naive marks.

Punk himself hasn't main-evented Wrestlemania till now what makes you think he would want another guy to main-event a Wrestlemania before him?

Punk either walked-out because he wanted to take a break or because he was jealous of Daniel Bryan as Bryan was getting bigger pops than Punk and Punk has been an afterthought since last year.

 

[justinept]

Another well constructed post from JohnJohnson - just a few issues, though ...

Rock worked day in and day out, got over while portraying a character, not by breaking kayfabe and complaining about management, and moved on from WWE to further advance his professional career.

When did CM Punk break kayfabe? Don't confuse his 'pipe bomb' promo for breaking kayfabe. His character was angry with management, and the decisions they made regarding his career. He vented those in a way that was very real to the on-screen product.

Even on-screen, Vince McMahon runs things. He makes the matches. He decides who gets the chances. He decides who gets the opportunity to main event. He decides whose face gets put on what merchandise. That's what Punk's promo was about. Had he said, "you always have me jobbing to people I'm better than,' then I'd agree with you. That would've been breaking kayfabe in that situation. But that's not what he did. Punk's 'pipe bomb' was a well-constructed promo that blurred the lines and expressed discontent within the reality of the wrestling universe.

He never just walked out, under contract, just because he didn't like the way he was booked or that they brought someone else back in. How delusional do you have to be.

No... but Austin did, and that did nothing to derail his popularity with the fans. There's no denying that Austin was on a different planet of popularity than Punk is. But relatively speaking, CM Punk is just as 'over' with the current fan base - the reason Austin's popularity was so much greater is because the WWE fan base was so much larger. So why should we expect a different reaction to the same thing?

Was it okay? Did it make a lot of money? Did it bring back some older fans? Did it give us great feuds? Was the crowd loving it? Did it boost ratings? Did Wrestlemania sell a crap load of PPVs? Did he promote WWE by carrying the title around? Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes!

It did make a lot of money. There's no denying that, and it brought back a lot of older fans... for a few months. And then, because the WWE has problems highlighting their younger guys during the times when the audience returns, that audience left again. As for The Rock 'promoting' the WWE by carrying around the title; well, that's debatable. The Rock had a very chaotic schedule last year around WrestleMania because The Fast and the Furious 73 was being released. He made a ton of media appearances to promote the movie, and - correct me if I'm wrong - he never once showed up with the title or promoted WrestleMania during those media appearances. From my recollection, he wasn't allowed to since he was being booked to discuss the movie.

Voicing their desire to who? To the WWE who wants him there as well? Should WWE kidnap him and force him into matches?

I think you're looking at this differently than I do. They aren't voicing their desire for the WWE to bring him back. They're voicing their opinion to let the WWE know that they f*cked up. They took a guy who was 'over' and sacrificed him to bring back an overrated superstar of yesteryear. There's a very direct line from Batista's return to CM Punk's departure that intersects with the entire Daniel Bryan saga. By bringing Batista back, and giving him the main event of WrestleMania, they were seemingly forced to push CM Punk from his proposed WrestleMania match against Triple H in favor of Daniel Bryan. If Batista doesn't return, then Bryan probably gets the main event, and Punk sticks around for a proposed match with Triple H. All this boo'ing of Batista and chanting for Bryan and Punk are tied together in my opinion.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

The people who think Punk walked-out because of Daniel Bryan are the most naive marks.

Not sure how that makes you a wrestling mark, but OK.

Punk himself hasn't main-evented Wrestlemania till now what makes you think he would want another guy to main-event a Wrestlemania before him?

Punk either walked-out because he wanted to take a break or because he was jealous of Daniel Bryan as Bryan was getting bigger pops than Punk and Punk has been an afterthought since last year.

So he either for a break or because of Daniel Bryan? Did you write the first paragraph of your post? I really don't follow you at all.

On topic: I hate when fans try to hijack the show. They have that right but I feel bad for the folks that pay and give their time to watch a show have to deal with folks who pay money to try to make things about them.

I do find it funny for the OP to rant against none of us knowing why Punk left and then calling him a "quitter". Do we even know that he quit yet?

 

[The Warlord]

Punk will return Monday...thats my story and Im sticking to it.

I can see Punk needing time off to heal his wounds so he'll be ready by WM.

Chicago will go ape shit when his music hits.

 

[ProWrestlingFan]

Not sure how that makes you a wrestling mark, but OK.



So he either for a break or because of Daniel Bryan? Did you write the first paragraph of your post? I really don't follow you at all.

On topic: I hate when fans try to hijack the show. They have that right but I feel bad for the folks that pay and give their time to watch a show have to deal with folks who pay money to try to make things about them.

I do find it funny for the OP to rant against none of us knowing why Punk left and then calling him a "quitter". Do we even know that he quit yet?

That was in response to someone who said CM Punk walked out because Daniel Bryan wasn't main-eventing Wrestlemania.

 

[LoudClearVoice]

Punk will return Monday...thats my story and Im sticking to it.

I can see Punk needing time off to heal his wounds so he'll be ready by WM.

Chicago will go ape shit when his music hits.

They should either have: Triple H and Stephanie, Vince McMahon or Randy Orton come out CM Punk's music. THAT would be awesome.

 

[JohnJohnson]

Just a couple points I don't quite agree on. Great post though.

When did CM Punk break kayfabe? Don't confuse his 'pipe bomb' promo for breaking kayfabe. His character was angry with management, and the decisions they made regarding his career. He vented those in a way that was very real to the on-screen product.

The whole breaking down the fourth wall, the mentioning of popular indy darlings in other companies, him calling people by their real names. He was basically catering to the smarks in my opinion. He went from the straight edge guy to the internet smark guy.

No... but Austin did, and that did nothing to derail his popularity with the fans. There's no denying that Austin was on a different planet of popularity than Punk is. But relatively speaking, CM Punk is just as 'over' with the current fan base - the reason Austin's popularity was so much greater is because the WWE fan base was so much larger. So why should we expect a different reaction to the same thing?

We shouldn’t expect a different reaction. Fans didn’t hijack the shows back then. They shouldn’t now.

I think you're looking at this differently than I do. They aren't voicing their desire for the WWE to bring him back. They're voicing their opinion to let the WWE know that they f*cked up. They took a guy who was 'over' and sacrificed him to bring back an overrated superstar of yesteryear. There's a very direct line from Batista's return to CM Punk's departure that intersects with the entire Daniel Bryan saga. By bringing Batista back, and giving him the main event of WrestleMania, they were seemingly forced to push CM Punk from his proposed WrestleMania match against Triple H in favor of Daniel Bryan. If Batista doesn't return, then Bryan probably gets the main event, and Punk sticks around for a proposed match with Triple H. All this boo'ing of Batista and chanting for Bryan and Punk are tied together in my opinion

I’m not certain, but I could have sworn they were already building Punk vs HHH and even making room for a possible Punk vs HBK match. From WWE’s stand point bringing Batista back made sense. He was successful in his last run and one of their top guys. Every single other top draw that they returned, has been successful and drew a lot of ratings. So logically it should have worked. I think a lot of people just don’t like Bautsita the person. WWE seems to be trying to fix this as best as possible. But they already guaranteed him the match soooo….unless those fans chanting are some real great lawyers, it has to happen.

 

[James]

I hope that Chicago crowd destroys WWE to the point of no return. Nah but it's going to be excited especially when CM Punk comes out and slaps that shit out of Daniel Bryan thus, we get the match we wanted.

 

[GeneralKarim]

From what I read on the Chicago crowd twitter, they are constantly saying they want to give praise and show love to the ones that deserve and not to just hijack the show for the sake of doing it.They arent gonna start booing the Wyatts or The Shield and stuff like that, or chant Chris Benoit.They wanna send a message to the ones people feel are pushed down our throats.That sounds very good in my opinion.

But anyway, who the fuck cares.It is going to be fun to watch the show and that's what its all about.Nothing is going to come out of it at the end of the day.WWE will let them have their fun, they will tell some of their talent to have extra thick skin for this show in particular and be done with it.People are making a big fuss out of nothing.

And I dont agree with what you are saying in the sense that you wish for people to just shut up about a situation and just sit in their places like robots and deal with it.I'm sorry this is 2014, if you wanna go back to those times, by all means, do what you must.Most of us are gonna stay free.

For the fans who pay money and want to see CM Punk and all they know is that, he left and that's that.That's now how you treat your audience.You dont just shut down on them.Give them some hope.If this is all a work, its a bad work.If its not, this is not the way too handle it.They should address this, at least in some form or fashion.At least tell people, not have them know of it ONLY because of dirt sheets.

 

[tak161]

This post is a prime example of the idiots that are going to try and ruin Raw this Monday. The comparisons are desperate and ignorant. People ARE stupid for chanting CM Punk. It is pathetic that supposed wrestling fans can feel good about themselves by ruining shows and showing disrespect to the entertainers that are there for you. I like CM Punk too, but he walked out...not just on WWE, he walked out on you and me and CHICAGO. Go ahead and think you have the right to chant his name but know that chanting it does nothing at all for you, for him, for WWE or for the amazing athletes that are there working their butt off for you. Ignorance is bliss.

First of all, I don't appreciate being called an idiot for expressing my opinion. Just because you disagree with me doesn't give you the right to call me or anyone else an idiot. Second, I will not be chanting his name, but not because I don't like and respect him. I personally have no problem with his walkout, mainly because it's none of my business why he did so. It's no different than anyone from anywhere in the world walking away from their job. It's a personal thing and should be left there. If people so choose to chant his name, then they can. Just like they can chant for anyone at anytime. There is nothing wrong with chanting for your favorite, regardless of his current standing within the company.

I am a Punk fan, but trust me, it's not the end of the world that he walked away. Do I miss seeing him in the ring, yes, but it's not my business why he's not there, so it's okay. If he feels like he can't be there, that's his business and no one else's. There are other guys to cheer for, other guys who can deliver. Like Cesaro, Ambrose, Rollins, Rhodes, and so on. Punk is missed, for sure, but if he wants to not be there, who are we to take offense to his leaving. It's his decision, we are not the ones going through what he and the other superstars are going through.

However, for some people to come on here and attack others because they support Punk, yet turn around and get offensive when someone makes a comment about their favorite is wrong. Much like you implied that I am an idiot, I have not said one bad thing about anyone I have disagreed with. But I have seen many people call Punk fans stupid, idiots, and so on. There is no need for that, because we are all the same. We are all wrestling fans, and each of us have the right to like or dislike anyone. I don't like The Rock, but I would never call his fans idiots.

 

[tvcolosi]

If they want to chant at HHH, Cena, Orton or Batista I'm ok with that but if they are a-holes like the Green Bay crowd Monday I will be disappointed... If you are a Punk, Bryan type fan then you shouldn't crap over Bray vs Roman being given essentially the main event of a Raw 5 weeks before WrestleMania... these are new guys, this is what you want...

 

[Jack-Hammer]

Generally speaking, I have to agree. I've been a big fan of Punk's work and him walking out of WWE hasn't changed that I believe he's extremely talented. I don't think there's a "right or wrong" side to this whole situation. For one thing, I agree that CM Punk is not the "Voice of the Voiceless" and never have. Sure, it made for a good catchphrase and for an interesting character but when it's all said & done, it's just character hype. Like any other wrestler that's ever been a success and made a lot of money, Punk ultimately wants the best he can get for himself. I don't think there's a thing wrong with that, but I do believe a lot of internet fans have bought into the hype of Punk being some sort of shining knight that's out to save professional wrestling from evil corporations and jerk off executives. If Punk was unhappy, wanted time off and wasn't happy with his spot in the company; then I can't say he was wrong to leave. I don't agree with the way he did it, as I do think it was disrespectful to the fans who showed up at Raw to see him do his thing.

On the other hand, as tempting as it is for internet fans especially, WWE management isn't made up of a bunch of sadists who get their rocks off by screwing over their talent while simultaneously flipping the bird to fans. I know that it's awfully fashionable to always blame big corporations for every single little thing that's wrong with the world, which has some truth to it, but in the case of WWE, it's a convenient crutch for pissed off internet fans to lean on whenever something goes down concerning a wrestler that they're especially fond of. In this case, what it boils down to in the minds of a lot of net fans is simply this: WWE fucked over CM Punk and Punk got tired of it. That's all well & good but, as with most things in life, probably not entirely accurate. IF Punk being unhappy with his current spot, his match against Triple H & not being in THE top match at WrestleMania are why he walked out, then it's not necessarily being fucked over. Bret Hart got fucked over back in Montreal at Survivor Series '97, whether justified or not is debated tot his day. Again, IF all this is part of why Punk walked out, then him not getting his way in exactly the way he wanted it doesn't strike me as being fucked over.

I don't know why Punk walked out and neither does any other fan or any of the dirtsheet writers. Neither Punk or WWE have given their side of the story. If it's because Punk's just unhappy about his spot at this time then, based simply on what I've heard & read over the years, that's nothing new to him. IF those reports are accurate, then Punk's always pissed off or frustrated about something. IF he feels he hasn't gotten his due in WWE, then MAYBE it's because of that attitude. Again, I'm just saying IF this info that's been put out over the years is accurate, then Punk hasn't exactly come off like someone that's loyal to the company. If management feels that Punk isn't willing to bust his ass for the John Cena spot and if Punk's actions & attitude haven't given any indication otherwise, then they're not gonna give him the Cena spot.

As far as the crowd this Monday goes, the best shot WWE has of keeping them from really being too hostile is to load the card. They'll be CM Punk chants regardless, but WWE's done a very good job of ultimately keeping things on course since his departure. The chants that have started up on Raw & SD! haven't lasted very long. When it's all said & done, all WWE can do is try to put on the best show they can and for the wrestlers to be as professional as they can. If the Chicago crowd is hell bent on acting out, there's not much WWE can do about it; but it'll also mean that Raw or a ppv might not pass through Chicago again for a while.

 

[JoeFromTomsRiver]

From what I read on the Chicago crowd twitter, they are constantly saying they want to give praise and show love to the ones that deserve and not to just hijack the show for the sake of doing it.

What is the "Chicago Crowd Twitter"? People who have tickets to this coming Monday Night's RAW have their own twitter page? And if so, how do you know that its only people who legitimately have tickets? Calling major BS on this whole thing, whatever you are referring to has no validity as really being the "Chicago Crowd Twitter", where the only people who are posting are people who are going to be in the arena on Monday night.

 

[ZiON11]

People pay money to do or say whatever they want to. If they want to chant for Punk, fine, it's their dime, last time I checked we weren't in a dictatorship. They'll more than likely dump all over Orton, Batista, Cena, HHH or whoever they feel doesn't deserve their praise.

Fans cheered for Austin when he left, so why aren't they considered stupid OP? Fans are just being fans, that's all.

 

[JohnJohnson]

People pay money to do or say whatever they want to. If they want to chant for Punk, fine, it's their dime, last time I checked we weren't in a dictatorship. They'll more than likely dump all over Orton, Batista, Cena, HHH or whoever they feel doesn't deserve their praise.

Fans cheered for Austin when he left, so why aren't they considered stupid OP? Fans are just being fans, that's all.

They expressed a clear intent to hijack a show. Sure they can cheer for who they want, and people could say what they want. That doesn't mean they should. If the crowd suddenly started chanting the "N Word", would that really be right? Just because they bought a ticket? If people went around doing whatever they pleased based only on legal rights rather than general codes of conduct, the the world would be chaos.

 

[vampirek]

I would absolutely love it if Punk turned up on Raw on Monday and it being Punk v HHH, and Bryan in the title match at Mania just to see the reaction of everybody. The biggest talking point online, twitter, their site etc and everyone fell for it. In fact not only would it show the stupidity of the Chicago crowd but everyone else who has been against their movement.

However I have no issue with the fans chanting whatever they like, at least they are chanting compared to some shows where the crowd is dead. One of the reasons why the Raw at Mania is usually good despite usually being an average show.

 

[LoudClearVoice]

I would absolutely love it if Punk turned up on Raw on Monday and it being Punk v HHH, and Bryan in the title match at Mania just to see the reaction of everybody

I'd love it if I won the lottery. Neither one are realistic possibilities.

Uh, Orton has the belt and he's facing Batista so how on God's Green Earth would they explain the title match suddenly becoming Punk vs. Triple H vs. Bryan?

 

[Rampage Bentley]

Get their attention for what? THEY WANT CM PUNK BACK!!!! Punk is the one who left on his own terms. They're not going to simply give him what he wants because what kind of message does that send to the rest of the roster?

It's not about giving CM Punk what he wants, it's about giving the fans what they want.

The message it gives the roster is get over and we'll use you as the main event, as opposed to the current message being sent out... befriend Triple H and you'll main event.

 

[daddyJ_t]

Demanding Punk at a WWE event is like going to Wal Mart and demanding they bring back a product that is no longer produced. If there is a demand for a product, Wal Mart wants to sell it, but if the company that makes that product no longer produces it, then Wal Mart can't control it despite the large number of socially awkward youths picketing outside their door.

Like the WWE ice cream bars Punk promised us? I'll start chanting for him if we get those back.

 

[DaveCarLitoson]

I am from Chicago, I have been watching wrestling for about 20 years. CM Punk was the closest thing to the attitude era (The Best Time to be a Fan). I am going to Raw, and I am followed by @ChicagoRawCrowd. WE love wrestlers, not part timers. The Sandows, Zigglers, Shield, Wyatts, and Daniel Bryans of the company. We want compelling storylines, not matches we have already seen a 1000 times (batista vs. Orton). How are we being stupid? Cuz we are sick and tired of the same old crap? I don't know where you are from but we are passionate fans for all of our teams and sports heroes. Yes we wish CM Punk will be here monday, him leaving was the straw that broke the camels back. This hijacking as u call it... we from chicago just call it being fans because that's just how we have always been... passionate and supportive and demand excellence. WWE since Punk lost the title has been predictable, repetitive, and hard to watch.

 

[DaveCarLitoson]

Look at what u titled this thread... and you have no Facts to back up the statements of why Punk left... You are just spreading internet rumors. We are smart fans, don't hate on Chicago cuz we get rowdy. Raw has been crap for quite some time and without PUnk it just makes it worse. You say he hasn't done anything since summerslam? I watched the crappy ppvs... He was one of the only bright spots on the card.

 

[ZiON11]

They expressed a clear intent to hijack a show. Sure they can cheer for who they want, and people could say what they want. That doesn't mean they should. If the crowd suddenly started chanting the "N Word", would that really be right? Just because they bought a ticket? If people went around doing whatever they pleased based only on legal rights rather than general codes of conduct, the the world would be chaos.

Obviously there are limits and I don't believe people are that idiotic to chant racist remarks on a LIVE TV show of all places.

I am from Chicago, I have been watching wrestling for about 20 years. CM Punk was the closest thing to the attitude era (The Best Time to be a Fan). I am going to Raw, and I am followed by @ChicagoRawCrowd. WE love wrestlers, not part timers. The Sandows, Zigglers, Shield, Wyatts, and Daniel Bryans of the company. We want compelling storylines, not matches we have already seen a 1000 times (batista vs. Orton). How are we being stupid? Cuz we are sick and tired of the same old crap? I don't know where you are from but we are passionate fans for all of our teams and sports heroes. Yes we wish CM Punk will be here monday, him leaving was the straw that broke the camels back. This hijacking as u call it... we from chicago just call it being fans because that's just how we have always been... passionate and supportive and demand excellence. WWE since Punk lost the title has been predictable, repetitive, and hard to watch.

I can relate to this, being from Toronto. We too are passionate fans, from chanting "fire <insert coach name here" if our teams don't do well to the "Wafflegate" incident at a Leafs game a few years ago. We pretty much were given the title of Bizzaroworld by the WWE for cheering heels and booing faces, watch Hogan/Rock from WM18, I was there and we were Pro-Hogan, same thing at SummerSlam 2004, I was there and we were Pro-Orton. I would definitely would like to see what the crowd reaction will be come Monday and what the WWE will try to do to counteract, if they do anything at all.