Calgary Region, Third Round: Pure Rules: (2) Hulk Hogan vs. (7) Roddy Piper

[FitFinlay4Life]

You can just take a peak at Slyfox's video of Hogan wrestling ANTONIO INOKI in Japan and throw that argument right out the window. Hogan got a pop as big as Inoki, and let's not forget that Hogan is as popular in Canada as he was in the US. Please see Wrestlemania 18 where he outpopped the most popular wrestler on the planet.

Firstly, even if Hogan was the uber heel against Inoki, Japanese fans are famously respectful. He wasn't so why wouldn't he get a great reaction? Secondly, his 'peak' theme tune is 'Real American', if anything will get a Canadian crowd's back up this'll do it.

Wrestlemania 18 - yup, he definitely out popped the Rock, a fellow Californian, who was already rumoured as a 'want away'. Returning legend (who came out to Voodoo Doll) or actor/ part time American wrestler?

 

[Megadeth]

Again, I find your basically calling Hogan a stupid oaf ridiculous.

Hulk Hogan isn't stupid. He'd know the rules and abide by them.

I never said Hogan was stupid, my point was that it would be very easy to forget about such a rule change in the heat of the match. And I have proof Hogan has been guilty of doing this in the past.

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Hogan and the ref both seemed to forget in the heat of the moment the rules, and instinctively Hogan pinned Flair, and the ref instinctively counted, only realizing after the fact he was suppose to touch 4th turnbuckle, not pin him. When you are so use to doing something the same way 95% of the time, when you have to change your method up on a rare occasion, it is easy for anyone to slip up and go back to doing things the way you are use to. I was not trying to single Hogan out as being a stupid oaf as you implied.

 

[Stormtrooper]

Firstly, even if Hogan was the uber heel against Inoki, Japanese fans are famously respectful. He wasn't so why wouldn't he get a great reaction? Secondly, his 'peak' theme tune is 'Real American', if anything will get a Canadian crowd's back up this'll do it.

Wrestlemania 18 - yup, he definitely out popped the Rock, a fellow Californian, who was already rumoured as a 'want away'. Returning legend (who came out to Voodoo Doll) or actor/ part time American wrestler?

I would like to ake you back in time. The year was 2002. Hulk Hogan had recently returned to WWE, as the evil Hollywood Hogan. At WrestleMania X7, Hall and Nash turned on him, and he effectively left the nWo. Then on the first Smackdown post WrestleMania, Hulk Hogan comes to the ring, and the fans start to cheer their asses off. This goes on for (wait for it)... 10 fucking minutes. Where is this? CANADA (in this case Montreal). Canadians LOVE Hogan. Always have. Even here, the wrestling fans will root for Hogan, the clear cut face, over Piper, the clear cut heel, even though he's in his real (not kayfabe) home country. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if (again, if this were real) Piper were to come out and cut an anti-Canada promo before it to ensure that he gets the heat.

I never said Hogan was stupid, my point was that it would be very easy to forget about such a rule change in the heat of the match. And I have proof Hogan has been guilty of doing this in the past.

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Hogan and the ref both seemed to forget in the heat of the moment the rules, and instinctively Hogan pinned Flair, and the ref instinctively counted, only realizing after the fact he was suppose to touch 4th turnbuckle, not pin him. When you are so use to doing something the same way 95% of the time, when you have to change your method up on a rare occasion, it is easy for anyone to slip up and go back to doing things the way you are use to. I was not trying to single Hogan out as being a stupid oaf as you implied.

you're right, but there's a big difference between pinning a guy and throwing a punch. Pinning is essential, and must be done to win a match (or submitting, but Hogan is admittedly not known for that). Throwing a punch is something that isn't essential to winning a match.

And even if he gets caught once, it doesn't matter, he won't get caught again, and he'll still dominate this match and win easily over a guy whom Hogan never lost to in his prime.

I don't get this Hogan owns Piper thing that people seem to believe. This feud is about as even as it gets. If Hulk Hogan is Superman, Roddy Piper is Lex Luthor. These two needed each other to get the WWF going. Without one, the other would have probably succeeded, but not to the success that they ultimately reached. These two made Wrestlemania, and made what we watch today.

I don't recall Hogan ever getting a clean pinfall victory over Piper, (spare me Mr. America). I could be wrong, and I don't doubt it, but the only pinfall victory he has was Superbrawl, and it took the Macho Man interfering to secure a victory. I recall Piper beating Hogan in a cage match, and beating him at Starrcade 96, with a sleeper hold. Yes it was Hollywood Hogan.

Hogan decisive (Pin/Submission) victories over Piper: Judgement Day 2003, Spring Stampede 1998 (Tag match with Nash against Piper/Giant, Hogan pinned Piper), SuperBrawl 1997. Hogan also has victories in Tag Matches over Piper at Great American Bash 1998, and at this little event we like to call WrestleMania.

Piper has won decisively (by Pin/Submission) twice. Both in WCW (Halloween Havoc 1997 and StarCade 1996). Halloween Havoc was the direct result of interference (Savage), and StarrCade was because of Botched interference (Giant).

At the very least, it's 3-2 in terms of decisive victories. However, as I previously stated, the record between the 2 men is 7-4 HOGAN, which is pretty far in Hogans favor.

Both men have proven they can wrestle an amateur style. This just seems like a match that is a literal coin flip. In a tournament, this would end up in a draw. Both men are hot headed, and I could see this match ending in multiple scenarios. Let's not forget that Hogan isn't a clean baby face. He has a tendency to get caught cheating. Piper is the type of guy to get away with dirty punches, frustrating Hogan, and then Hogan be the one getting caught with a closed fist.

I'm tempted to abstain from voting, because I really can't pick one over the other.

How would Piper get away with punching here? What, the ref will always be looking away from the action or something? Sorry, but maybe once Piper can get away with it, but repeatedly, no way. And again, this talk about how Hogan is too stupid (yes, if you think Hogan would repeatedly get caught with punches, you think he's stupid, no way around it) to follow the simple rule of not punching makes no sense. In his prime, Hogan wouldn't need punches to beat Piper. As a heel, he'd get away with the punches. Hence, Hogan wins hands down.

 

[Shocky]

Hogan decisive (Pin/Submission) victories over Piper: Judgement Day 2003, Spring Stampede 1998 (Tag match with Nash against Piper/Giant, Hogan pinned Piper), SuperBrawl 1997. Hogan also has victories in Tag Matches over Piper at Great American Bash 1998, and at this little event we like to call WrestleMania.

Piper has won decisively (by Pin/Submission) twice. Both in WCW (Halloween Havoc 1997 and StarCade 1996). Halloween Havoc was the direct result of interference (Savage), and StarrCade was because of Botched interference (Giant).

At the very least, it's 3-2 in terms of decisive victories. However, as I previously stated, the record between the 2 men is 7-4 HOGAN, which is pretty far in Hogans favor.

Like I said, Judgment Day 2007 was Mr. America. There was no Hulk Hogan to be found.

Tag Team, Tag Team Matches? Really, that's where we're going with this argument. You might be able to make a semi-argument with Spring Stampede 1998 with both men being involved in the decision. It's a tag match, so it loses credibility.

As far as GAB 98, no way you can use that argument. Both Hogan and Piper weren't involved in the decision. Wrestlemania as well, Piper had nothing to do with the decision.

The only time Hogan has ever beat Piper "clean" was with out side interference from Savage at Superbrawl. Yes, Piper won a cage match with outside interference as well from Savage.

The fact is, these two are booked to be even. Roddy Piper has been the longtime foil to Hulk Hogan.

How would Piper get away with punching here? What, the ref will always be looking away from the action or something? Sorry, but maybe once Piper can get away with it, but repeatedly, no way. And again, this talk about how Hogan is too stupid (yes, if you think Hogan would repeatedly get caught with punches, you think he's stupid, no way around it) to follow the simple rule of not punching makes no sense. In his prime, Hogan wouldn't need punches to beat Piper. As a heel, he'd get away with the punches. Hence, Hogan wins hands down.

Heels usually get away with dirty maneuvers? This is the tried and true part of wrestling. Bad Guys do shit to piss the crowd off behind the refs back, and then the face ultimately gets caught.

As much of a hot head as the Piper character is, Hogan is as hot headed as well. It's not a decisive victory for either man, not in the slightest.

 

[Stormtrooper]

Like I said, Judgment Day 2007 was Mr. America. There was no Hulk Hogan to be found.

Epic fail.
1. It was 2003.
2. Mr. America was revealed to be Hulk Hogan. Therefore, their records are combined into one. This isn't a deal like Kane and Issac Yankem DDS. Mr, America was Unmasked and proven to be Hulk Hogan (the character, not just Terry Bollea the man).

Tag Team, Tag Team Matches? Really, that's where we're going with this argument. You might be able to make a semi-argument with Spring Stampede 1998 with both men being involved in the decision. It's a tag match, so it loses credibility.

As far as GAB 98, no way you can use that argument. Both Hogan and Piper weren't involved in the decision. Wrestlemania as well, Piper had nothing to do with the decision.

Yeah, actually, it's possible. Who's hand was raised after the match? Hogans. Who's wasn't? Piper's. You can act like it doesn't matter, but the fact of the matter is the only thing that matters is wins and losses, and Hogan has beated Piper more then Piper beat Hogan.

The only time Hogan has ever beat Piper "clean" was with out side interference from Savage at Superbrawl. Yes, Piper won a cage match with outside interference as well from Savage.

The fact is, these two are booked to be even. Roddy Piper has been the longtime foil to Hulk Hogan.

And you're the one taking stuff from 10 years past their prime and acting like that's exactly how it'll happen. Fact of the matter is that Piper as a heel (which he'd be in this match) NEVER defeated Hulk Hogan. Hogan as a babyface (which he is here) never LOST to Piper. I don't see how you can say that Piper can win here. It'll be more of the same.

Heels usually get away with dirty maneuvers? This is the tried and true part of wrestling. Bad Guys do shit to piss the crowd off behind the refs back, and then the face ultimately gets caught.

As much of a hot head as the Piper character is, Hogan is as hot headed as well. It's not a decisive victory for either man, not in the slightest.

Again, you're acting like Hogan is a stupid oaf. I will give you one time. You (and Megadeth) are trying to tell me that Hulk Hogan will get caught punching 5 times, which is just asinine. He gets caught once, tops. Then Hogan goes on and wins like he did in his prime against the lesser opponent in Roddy Piper. And if Hogan is such a hothead, why did Piper always get DQed against Hogan? If Hogan is such a hothead against Piper, then surely Hogan would have gotten DQed at one point or another during their prime. But no, that never happened, because, get this, Hogan was the better man.

 

[Shocky]

Epic fail.
1. It was 2003.
2. Mr. America was revealed to be Hulk Hogan. Therefore, their records are combined into one. This isn't a deal like Kane and Issac Yankem DDS. Mr, America was Unmasked and proven to be Hulk Hogan (the character, not just Terry Bollea the man).

Mistyped the year, big Deal. Fact is, both men were so far out of their primes it didn't matter. Plus, it was Mr. America, not Hulk Hogan that won the match.

Mr. America is not Hulk Hogan, he even said so himself.

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and took a lie detector test to confirm it

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Yeah, actually, it's possible. Who's hand was raised after the match? Hogans. Who's wasn't? Piper's. You can act like it doesn't matter, but the fact of the matter is the only thing that matters is wins and losses, and Hogan has beated Piper more then Piper beat Hogan.

It's a tag team match. If you want to use tag matches to try to determine singles matches, you go ahead and do it. I'm saying it has no weight, especially when some of the decisions involve zero from the two said competitors in this match. If you don't understand the dynamics and the differences between the two, good for you. I'm saying tag matches mean shit in determining the outcomes of singles matches. Please make an argument that Ax or Smash could beat Andre the Giant in a one on one situation.

And you're the one taking stuff from 10 years past their prime and acting like that's exactly how it'll happen. Fact of the matter is that Piper as a heel (which he'd be in this match) NEVER defeated Hulk Hogan. Hogan as a babyface (which he is here) never LOST to Piper. I don't see how you can say that Piper can win here. It'll be more of the same.

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Using matches a decade out of their prime is better then using a match from two decades out of their prime.

Again, you're acting like Hogan is a stupid oaf. I will give you one time. You (and Megadeth) are trying to tell me that Hulk Hogan will get caught punching 5 times, which is just asinine. He gets caught once, tops. Then Hogan goes on and wins like he did in his prime against the lesser opponent in Roddy Piper. And if Hogan is such a hothead, why did Piper always get DQed against Hogan? If Hogan is such a hothead against Piper, then surely Hogan would have gotten DQed at one point or another during their prime. But no, that never happened, because, get this, Hogan was the better man.

I'm acting like Hogan is a hot head because he is. Hell, he got himself DQ'd from a tournament at Wrestlemania 4 with the WWF title on the line. He gets extremely upset when he feels he's been wronged, ask Sid from the Rumble in 1992. Hogan can be a sore loser, and get frustrated from time to time. i'm not saying Piper wouldn't, but I'm saying Piper is the type of guy that can get in his head, and has done so routinely throughout their careers.

I'm not saying Piper is going to win, I'm saying this is a much closer match then what people think it will be. Neither man was able to get a clear clean cut victory over the other, at any point in their careers. Every match has been riddled with some sort of outside interference.

 

[FitFinlay4Life]

I would like to ake you back in time. The year was 2002. Hulk Hogan had recently returned to WWE, as the evil Hollywood Hogan. At WrestleMania X7, Hall and Nash turned on him, and he effectively left the nWo. Then on the first Smackdown post WrestleMania, Hulk Hogan comes to the ring, and the fans start to cheer their asses off. This goes on for (wait for it)... 10 fucking minutes. Where is this? CANADA (in this case Montreal). Canadians LOVE Hogan. Always have. Even here, the wrestling fans will root for Hogan, the clear cut face, over Piper, the clear cut heel, even though he's in his real (not kayfabe) home country. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if (again, if this were real) Piper were to come out and cut an anti-Canada promo before it to ensure that he gets the heat.

Why is Piper a clear cut heel? He has jumped between heel and face his whole career, you keep accusing Shocky of saying Hogan is stupid, to say Piper wouldn't try to eliminate Hulkamania by making himself the sympathetic hero is calling him an idiot.

'Voodoo child' again in your example (post WM X8). Unless your picking his nWo years as his prime, when Roddy owned his ass, he's coming out to 'Real American'...

You're right, but there's a big difference between pinning a guy and throwing a punch. Pinning is essential, and must be done to win a match (or submitting, but Hogan is admittedly not known for that). Throwing a punch is something that isn't essential to winning a match.

And even if he gets caught once, it doesn't matter, he won't get caught again, and he'll still dominate this match and win easily over a guy whom Hogan never lost to in his prime.

Yup, 'Real American' as the Black Eyed Peas might ask 'Where is the love?' No clean wins singles wins either "in his prime".

Hogan decisive (Pin/Submission) victories over Piper: Judgement Day 2003, Spring Stampede 1998 (Tag match with Nash against Piper/Giant, Hogan pinned Piper), SuperBrawl 1997. Hogan also has victories in Tag Matches over Piper at Great American Bash 1998, and at this little event we like to call WrestleMania.

I thought we where doing his prime? Mr America, huh... that'll really wow em in Calgary!

Superbrawl '97? In what way can you try and paint this as a clean victory? Referee awarded the clean win to Piper, it was only due to Savage moving Hogan's feet under the ropes to get match restarted and slipping him brass knuckles to get the tainted victory.

Tag victories? Really conclusive in the context of this match.

Piper has won decisively (by Pin/Submission) twice. Both in WCW (Halloween Havoc 1997 and StarCade 1996). Halloween Havoc was the direct result of interference (Savage), and StarrCade was because of Botched interference (Giant).

So Hogan's nWo cheated twice and Roddy overcame this with decisive victories then? Good strong case for Piper being the better man there, thanks.

At the very least, it's 3-2 in terms of decisive victories. However, as I previously stated, the record between the 2 men is 7-4 HOGAN, which is pretty far in Hogans favor.

Singles - 3-2
Hogan: DQ, credit Savage doing Rowdy out of the WCW championship and Mr America.
Piper: Pin despite nWo interference AND Pin despite nWo interference...

AND the only clean pin was when he was a couple of months off 53, not really "in his prime".

Again with non 1 on 1 matches?

How would Piper get away with punching here? What, the ref will always be looking away from the action or something? Sorry, but maybe once Piper can get away with it, but repeatedly, no way. And again, this talk about how Hogan is too stupid (yes, if you think Hogan would repeatedly get caught with punches, you think he's stupid, no way around it) to follow the simple rule of not punching makes no sense. In his prime, Hogan wouldn't need punches to beat Piper. As a heel, he'd get away with the punches. Hence, Hogan wins hands down.

He's won clean 1 on 1 ONCE, as good old Mr America, Canada's top face character Even with punches he couldn't beat Piper "in his prime" and he couldn't do it as a heel either... why is Hogan favourite again?

 

[Stormtrooper]

Mistyped the year, big Deal. Fact is, both men were so far out of their primes it didn't matter. Plus, it was Mr. America, not Hulk Hogan that won the match.

Mr. America is not Hulk Hogan, he even said so himself.

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and took a lie detector test to confirm it

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Go to 6:08.

Video proof that Hogan WAS Mr. America, and it was proof enough to fire Mr. America AND Hulk Hogan.

It's a tag team match. If you want to use tag matches to try to determine singles matches, you go ahead and do it. I'm saying it has no weight, especially when some of the decisions involve zero from the two said competitors in this match. If you don't understand the dynamics and the differences between the two, good for you. I'm saying tag matches mean shit in determining the outcomes of singles matches. Please make an argument that Ax or Smash could beat Andre the Giant in a one on one situation.

No, but to say that Hogan helping his team beat Pipers team does give Hogan another leg up. You can act like the match didn't matter, but last time I checked, the Won-Loss record says Hogan won, and Piper lost. ESPECIALLY the one that Hogan pinned Piper.

Using matches a decade out of their prime is better then using a match from two decades out of their prime.

Fine then, we either use all, in which Hogan wins, or their prime, in which Hogan wins even easier. Your choice.

I'm acting like Hogan is a hot head because he is. Hell, he got himself DQ'd from a tournament at Wrestlemania 4 with the WWF title on the line. He gets extremely upset when he feels he's been wronged, ask Sid from the Rumble in 1992. Hogan can be a sore loser, and get frustrated from time to time. i'm not saying Piper wouldn't, but I'm saying Piper is the type of guy that can get in his head, and has done so routinely throughout their careers.

And Piper got himself DQed in MULTIPLE WWF Title Matches against HULK FUCKING HOGAN. But no, the same thing won't happen here, because Roddy Piper has become overrated to the point where he was better then Hulk Hogan in your eyes.

I'm not saying Piper is going to win, I'm saying this is a much closer match then what people think it will be. Neither man was able to get a clear clean cut victory over the other, at any point in their careers. Every match has been riddled with some sort of outside interference.

So you're arguing against Hulk Hogan, all the while admitting that Piper is NOT better then Hogan (which he CLEARLY isn't, ans has never been).

Why is Piper a clear cut heel? He has jumped between heel and face his whole career, you keep accusing Shocky of saying Hogan is stupid, to say Piper wouldn't try to eliminate Hulkamania by making himself the sympathetic hero is calling him an idiot.

Why is Piper, who at the height of his career, a heel? I don't know, maybe because Piper reached his greatest success as a heel. And why is HOgan a face? Same fucking reason. DO you want me to make this Hollywood Hogan vs. 2009 Roddy Piper? If so, then Hogan wins easily, but I see this match taking place with both men in their prime.

'Voodoo child' again in your example (post WM X8). Unless your picking his nWo years as his prime, when Roddy owned his ass, he's coming out to 'Real American'...

What the fuck does a Jimi Hendrix song have to do with HULK FUCKING HOGAN getting cheered for 10 minutes? The music has shit to do with how long the ovation is. I was explaining that Hogan is loved in Canada, even with his USA loving character. Just like Piper would have been hated in his prime in Canada, because his character was an asshole.

Yup, 'Real American' as the Black Eyed Peas might ask 'Where is the love?' No clean wins singles wins either "in his prime".

What in the blue fuck do the Black Eyed Peas have to do with Hogan vs. Piper? Hell, what does Real American have to do with it? Do you even read what the hell you're writing?

I thought we where doing his prime? Mr America, huh... that'll really wow em in Calgary!

Actually, it probably did (if the character ever went to Canada). Hulk Fucking Hogan is loved, and Hogan coming out to Real American (even in 2003) would be fucking loved if he showed up at a Al Queda training facility.

Superbrawl '97? In what way can you try and paint this as a clean victory? Referee awarded the clean win to Piper, it was only due to Savage moving Hogan's feet under the ropes to get match restarted and slipping him brass knuckles to get the tainted victory.

I said DECISIVE. Not CLEAN. Hogan PINNED Piper DECISIVELY. The Ref corrected his mistake of missing Hogan initiating a rope break, and Hogan pinned him. And again, the win/loss record only says the following: "Hogan defeats Piper via Pinfall." It doesn't say "Hogan unfairly loses to Piper before the ref realizes his mistake, restarts the match, and outside interference allows Hogan to win by Pinfall."

Tag victories? Really conclusive in the context of this match.

no, again, it's PART of an equation. Hogan getting his hand raised while Piper loses is part of the equation.

So Hogan's nWo cheated twice and Roddy overcame this with decisive victories then? Good strong case for Piper being the better man there, thanks.

No, Botched interference means that the interference ended up HELPING Piper (inadvertantly).

Singles - 3-2
Hogan: DQ, credit Savage doing Rowdy out of the WCW championship and Mr America.
Piper: Pin despite nWo interference AND Pin despite nWo interference...

You mean:
Hogan: win in their prime via Piper getting himself DQed, Win via pinfall, win via pinfall.
Piper: win via submission, win via submission.

AND the only clean pin was when he was a couple of months off 53, not really "in his prime".

He's won clean 1 on 1 ONCE, as good old Mr America, Canada's top face character Even with punches he couldn't beat Piper "in his prime" and he couldn't do it as a heel either... why is Hogan favourite again?

Sadly, yes, Mr. America could very well have been Canada's top face character. Why? Because it was HULK FUCKING HOGAN.

And he DID beat Piper in his prime. Piper got DQed by arguing/shoving the ref, then assaulting both Cyndi Lauper (a musician) and Mr. T (an actor). But no, Hulk Hogan is such a hothead that he will break the rules, not Piper. Then at WrestleMania Hogan defeated Piper in Tag Team competition (Piper was such a hothead that after the match, Piper walked out on his friends Bob Orton and Paul Orndorff). But no, Piper is cool, calm, and collected, and will get Hogan off his game. No. Piper will end up doing stupid shit, and risk getting DQed before Hogan.

How fucking stupid are you people. Hulk Hogan THE CHARACTER was playing Mr. America. Hence why "BOTH" got fired when Mr. America UNMASKED TO REVEAL HIMSELF AS HULK FUCKING HOGAN.

 

[CH David]

I really don't care that Hogan is going to win this match-up. This match is definitely closer than most are thinking. Not counting his one match as Mr. America at Judgment Day 2003, Hogan has pinned Piper twice, once in a tag match that really means fuck all in this environment, plus he used a bat (it was within the rules), and one on one thanks to brass knucks passed by Savage. Piper beat Hogan twice via the Sleeper, once at Starrcade in a non-title match, and at Halloween Havoc in a cage. The rest are DQ wins (for both) or tag matches where one or both of these participants weren't involved in the pinfall or submission. Again, not counting Mr. America, as far as falls go, it's tied at 2.

So then, it's Hulkamania trying to beat someone he has never pinned as The Immortal Hulk Hogan. Also it's Rowdy Roddy trying to beat someone he beat clean with the Sleeper in WCW. Piper would likely use his rope breaks with punches or if Hogan slams him near the ropes. Hogan uses his probably when Piper goes for the Sleeper or a belly to back suplex near the ropes. Piper is smart, and if Hogan Hulks up then he could just roll to the outside and utilize the 20 count. Not saying Hogan isn't smart because he is. It would be a fun match to watch, and Hogan is likely to win, but I'll throw support to Hot Rod with the Sleeper around the 14:00 minute mark.

 

[Slyfox696]

I'm not understanding (then again, I haven't read many of the posts, but whatever). What is people's rationale for voting Piper over Hogan? Hogan was the better wrestler, he was more charismatic, he's shown a greater ability to work "pure rules" matches, and he was a far bigger draw. Hell, if I'm not mistaken, Piper has never even held a recognized World title, is that correct?

Even if Piper's encounters with Hogan were roughly even in the win/loss column, how can you say Piper deserves to win? If his matches with Hogan were roughly even, but Hogan is better EVERY where else, what basis can people have for voting Piper?

 

[CH David]

I'm not understanding (then again, I haven't read many of the posts, but whatever). What is people's rationale for voting Piper over Hogan? Hogan was the better wrestler, he was more charismatic, he's shown a greater ability to work "pure rules" matches, and he was a far bigger draw. Hell, if I'm not mistaken, Piper has never even held a recognized World title, is that correct?

Even if Piper's encounters with Hogan were roughly even in the win/loss column, how can you say Piper deserves to win? If his matches with Hogan were roughly even, but Hogan is better EVERY where else, what basis can people have for voting Piper?

Because we can? I don't see why it's a big deal to vote for him and not Hogan. Hell I've acknowledged that Hogan is likely going over, but that doesn't stop me from voting Piper. That's because Hogan never beat Piper straight up one on one (other than as Mr. America) without using assistance (Savage and brass knucks at SuperBrawl) or it ending in a DQ (The War To Settle The Score and The Wrestling Classic). However, Piper cleanly won twice via the Sleeper. Hogan can be better against anybody else, but Piper had his number. Shit, it's more likely that Hogan will win this by DQ than it is he pins Roddy. I mean that's how he gained his wins against Piper during Hulkamania.

 

[Slyfox696]

Because we can?

Then I should call you an idiot? Because I can? Or would you like for me to have a reason before I do?

I don't see why it's a big deal to vote for him and not Hogan.

Personally, I like to see reasonable justification. Even if that justification is simply "I've never been a fan of Hogan, and Piper was someone who always made me watch". But (and again, I didn't read the thread to closely), what I've been getting from this thread is "Hogan is a dummy who will use a closed fist" and "Piper and Hogan have similar win/loss against each other". Those are just silly reasons to vote for Piper.

Hell I've acknowledged that Hogan is likely going over, but that doesn't stop me from voting Piper. That's because Hogan never beat Piper straight up one on one (other than as Mr. America) without using assistance

First of all, I'd be very surprised if Hogan never beat Piper straight up. Perhaps we never saw it on TV, but with all the house shows and such, I'm sure Hogan did at some point.

But even if he didn't...why are we discounting Mr. America? Was Hogan somehow a machine as Mr. America?

(Savage and brass knucks at SuperBrawl) or it ending in a DQ (The War To Settle The Score and The Wrestling Classic). However, Piper cleanly won twice via the Sleeper. Hogan can be better against anybody else, but Piper had his number. Shit, it's more likely that Hogan will win this by DQ than it is he pins Roddy. I mean that's how he gained his wins against Piper during Hulkamania.

And Hogan got a LOT of wins over Piper during Hulkamania. If Piper gets DQ'd, he still loses and Hogan still advances. Getting disqualified still counts as a loss, and you just said Piper suffered several losses to Hogan during their primes. In their primes, did Piper ever get a clean win over Hogan?

I'm sorry, but your logic is absurd. What you are saying is "Piper beat Hogan when Hogan was a heel (but never for the title) and those are the reasons Piper is better than Hogan. Oh sure, Hogan beat Piper a million times, but they don't count because Mr. America doesn't count even though it was the same guy as Hulk Hogan, and Superbrawl doesn't count because Savage was there, and disqualifications don't count because their disqualifications and they just don't count."

That's just asinine. Hogan has beat Piper clean, he's beat him dirty, he's beat him by DQ. Clearly Hogan can beat Piper. But when it REALLY mattered, which is when a title was on the line, Piper always choked. And in this tournament, one loss and you go home. Piper would choke again, Hogan obviously has ice water in his veins during the big matches, and Hogan would win again. Even if it's because Piper is an idiot and gets disqualified.

Hogan wins. In kayfabe, Hogan wins. In terms of ability, Hogan wins. In clutch time, big-time matches, Hogan wins. In this tournament stipulation match, Hogan wins.

Hogan is simply all-around better than Piper.

 

[CH David]

Then I should call you an idiot? Because I can? Or would you like for me to have a reason before I do?

Do what you'd like Oh Great Admin Slyfox. It's funny that you are really justifying Hogan when it isn't necessary. I'll tell ya why in the next paragraph.

Personally, I like to see reasonable justification. Even if that justification is simply "I've never been a fan of Hogan, and Piper was someone who always made me watch". But (and again, I didn't read the thread to closely), what I've been getting from this thread is "Hogan is a dummy who will use a closed fist" and "Piper and Hogan have similar win/loss against each other". Those are just silly reasons to vote for Piper.

I'm just doing it for shiggles! I like Hogan and Piper equally, and I was hoping someone was going to get butt hurt that I chose Roddy. Nobody did, so then I took my reasonings and replied to you. Again, shiggles.

First of all, I'd be very surprised if Hogan never beat Piper straight up. Perhaps we never saw it on TV, but with all the house shows and such, I'm sure Hogan did at some point.

Someone else said house shows in another match and got laughed at. It seems like a silly justification, but who am I to judge. A DQ win was what was proven in the spotlight for Hogan over Roddy.

But even if he didn't...why are we discounting Mr. America? Was Hogan somehow a machine as Mr. America?

Nope. Shocky showed they were two different people (originally in kayfabe). I WANT TO BELIEVE!!!!!!

And Hogan got a LOT of wins over Piper during Hulkamania. If Piper gets DQ'd, he still loses and Hogan still advances. Getting disqualified still counts as a loss, and you just said Piper suffered several losses to Hogan during their primes. In their primes, did Piper ever get a clean win over Hogan?

Well if you count house shows, but I mean those can't be proven unless people were there and they post about it. In the two big shows during Hulkamania they faced it was by DQ. Now I'm not saying it won't happen, but I would say that Cowboy Bob Orton or even Paul Orndorff won't be getting involved. It's a farfetched hunch, but I'm just all about being out there in this match!

I'm sorry, but your logic is absurd. What you are saying is "Piper beat Hogan when Hogan was a heel (but never for the title) and those are the reasons Piper is better than Hogan. Oh sure, Hogan beat Piper a million times, but they don't count because Mr. America doesn't count even though it was the same guy as Hulk Hogan, and Superbrawl doesn't count because Savage was there, and disqualifications don't count because their disqualifications and they just don't count."

I'm just saying Hogan didn't pin Piper in a singles match (house shows be damned I tell you!) unless he got help from Savage or was playing another character. I'm trying to think if you've said that Hogan has had two primes, or if it was just he created two wrestling booms. Eh, I won't worry about it. I'll just say what I'm thinking anyway. If you did say somewhere that Hogan had two primes, WWE and WCW for clarification for you folks at home, than Roddy would have beat him in his second prime. HA! I don't like DQs, except Dairy Queen, I feel cheated when it ends like that. Neither here nor there I suppose.

That's just asinine. Hogan has beat Piper clean, he's beat him dirty, he's beat him by DQ. Clearly Hogan can beat Piper. But when it REALLY mattered, which is when a title was on the line, Piper always choked. And in this tournament, one loss and you go home. Piper would choke again, Hogan obviously has ice water in his veins during the big matches, and Hogan would win again. Even if it's because Piper is an idiot and gets disqualified.

Asinine. Lulz. I give her face a two and her asinine.

Sorry, Jeff Foxworthy joke from forever ago. Anyway, would you consider Bob Orton interference to be Piper choking? Legitimately asking, and again not counting house shows because well not many of us were there to share these experiences. I'd love to hear them though if you're a poster on this forum! If Orton and Orndorff don't interfere I think this doesn't end in DQ. Hogan likely wins, but GO RODDY!

Hogan wins. In kayfabe, Hogan wins. In terms of ability, Hogan wins. In clutch time, big-time matches, Hogan wins. In this tournament stipulation match, Hogan wins.

Hogan is simply all-around better than Piper.

That's cool. I'm going to guess you were laughing the whole time you were posting, instead of being upset that somebody vote against Hogan. You would have to because getting upset in a fake tournament is lame. Hogan wins, but I voted for Hot Rod based on shiggles. I'll even quote it for you where I said shiggles, one sec.

I feel like making a post in favor of Piper. Shiggles and such you know.

You can't say it in the tournament though. Is that spam? I think it is. ANYWAY! Hogan will go over, rightfully so. I just like to think Roddy has a fighting chance! Other people have voted in other matches because of "chances", figured I'd give it a shot and show support.

 

[FitFinlay4Life]

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Video proof that Hogan WAS Mr. America, and it was proof enough to fire Mr. America AND Hulk Hogan.

Prime?

No, but to say that Hogan helping his team beat Pipers team does give Hogan another leg up. You can act like the match didn't matter, but last time I checked, the Won-Loss record says Hogan won, and Piper lost. ESPECIALLY the one that Hogan pinned Piper.

Hmmm... can we get Heath Slater in here as he's beaten John Cena then?

Fine then, we either use all, in which Hogan wins, or their prime, in which Hogan wins even easier. Your choice.

Whenever you pick, it's one clean win EVER.

And Piper got himself DQed in MULTIPLE WWF Title Matches against HULK FUCKING HOGAN. But no, the same thing won't happen here, because Roddy Piper has become overrated to the point where he was better then Hulk Hogan in your eyes.

So you're arguing against Hulk Hogan, all the while admitting that Piper is NOT better then Hogan (which he CLEARLY isn't, ans has never been).

Hogan has one clean victory in his career at the age of 53 as Mr America, unless your looking the Immortal one to go through via the cheap route of a DQ?

Why is Piper, who at the height of his career, a heel? I don't know, maybe because Piper reached his greatest success as a heel. And why is HOgan a face? Same fucking reason. DO you want me to make this Hollywood Hogan vs. 2009 Roddy Piper? If so, then Hogan wins easily, but I see this match taking place with both men in their prime.

So Piper was a heel as IC Champion then - his greatest success in the WWF? Or maybe he was a heel when the referee raised his hand as WCW Champion against 'Hollywood' Hulk Hogan?

What the fuck does a Jimi Hendrix song have to do with HULK FUCKING HOGAN getting cheered for 10 minutes? The music has shit to do with how long the ovation is. I was explaining that Hogan is loved in Canada, even with his USA loving character. Just like Piper would have been hated in his prime in Canada, because his character was an asshole.

Erm... because creative were smart enough to realise that he'd have been booed for 10 minutes if he came out to 'Real American' his face theme so had to send him out with his heel music. Again, Piper's greatest successes were as a face.

What in the blue fuck do the Black Eyed Peas have to do with Hogan vs. Piper? Hell, what does Real American have to do with it? Do you even read what the hell you're writing?

Yup, I do. I take it lateral thinking ain't your speciality. I'll explain it simply, Hulk Hogan will get no 'love' (Black Eyed Peas reference) if he comes out to his 'prime' music (Real American reference) in Canada against a Canadian.

Actually, it probably did (if the character ever went to Canada). Hulk Fucking Hogan is loved, and Hogan coming out to Real American (even in 2003) would be fucking loved if he showed up at a Al Queda training facility.

Please look up 'delusional'. Creative didn't play 'Real American' because they knew what the reaction would be and that was just for a promo, not even a match. Do you really think the reaction would be if he was coming out against the UnAmericans? (Why am I guessing you probably will be arguing this?)

I said DECISIVE. Not CLEAN. Hogan PINNED Piper DECISIVELY. The Ref corrected his mistake of missing Hogan initiating a rope break, and Hogan pinned him. And again, the win/loss record only says the following: "Hogan defeats Piper via Pinfall." It doesn't say "Hogan unfairly loses to Piper before the ref realizes his mistake, restarts the match, and outside interference allows Hogan to win by Pinfall."

no, again, it's PART of an equation. Hogan getting his hand raised while Piper loses is part of the equation.

No, Botched interference means that the interference ended up HELPING Piper (inadvertantly).

You mean:
Hogan: win in their prime via Piper getting himself DQed, Win via pinfall, win via pinfall.
Piper: win via submission, win via submission.

Creative history by Stormtrooper 101. You conveniently 'forgot' to mention Hogan's first win's circumstances. The referee didn't make a 'mistake' - Hogan's feet were not under the ropes, his mistake was falling for Savages cheating and restarting the match when the correct decision had already been made. So Hogan being... what's the word... stupid?... led to two wins for Piper then?

Sadly, yes, Mr. America could very well have been Canada's top face character. Why? Because it was HULK FUCKING HOGAN.

Nick, is that you? Unless you have been living under a rock, no American has been cheered over a Canadian in Canada in almost twenty years without extreme just cause (that being the Canadian degrading his own nationality, ala Y2J and even then he was still being cheered).

And he DID beat Piper in his prime. Piper got DQed by arguing/shoving the ref, then assaulting both Cyndi Lauper (a musician) and Mr. T (an actor). But no, Hulk Hogan is such a hothead that he will break the rules, not Piper. Then at WrestleMania Hogan defeated Piper in Tag Team competition (Piper was such a hothead that after the match, Piper walked out on his friends Bob Orton and Paul Orndorff). But no, Piper is cool, calm, and collected, and will get Hogan off his game. No. Piper will end up doing stupid shit, and risk getting DQed before Hogan.

So HULK FUCKING HOGAN has to rely on Roddy getting DQ'd because he can't get the job done then? I haven't mentioned DQs because I want a 'clean' and 'decisive' winner.

How fucking stupid are you people. Hulk Hogan THE CHARACTER was playing Mr. America. Hence why "BOTH" got fired when Mr. America UNMASKED TO REVEAL HIMSELF AS HULK FUCKING HOGAN.

Why do you keep contradicting yourself by talking about Hogan and Piper's primes and then fall back on Mr America?

Then I should call you an idiot? Because I can? Or would you like for me to have a reason before I do?

I'd say that was harsh if you haven't even bothered to read people's rationale.

Personally, I like to see reasonable justification. Even if that justification is simply "I've never been a fan of Hogan, and Piper was someone who always made me watch". But (and again, I didn't read the thread to closely), what I've been getting from this thread is "Hogan is a dummy who will use a closed fist" and "Piper and Hogan have similar win/loss against each other". Those are just silly reasons to vote for Piper.

I haven't mentioned DQ.

First of all, I'd be very surprised if Hogan never beat Piper straight up. Perhaps we never saw it on TV, but with all the house shows and such, I'm sure Hogan did at some point.

And if Piper had loads of house show wins in WCW, would that also count? There is no record of this assumption so as a lawyer would say - "Objection! Supposition."

But even if he didn't...why are we discounting Mr. America? Was Hogan somehow a machine as Mr. America?

One: Mr America would not go over in Canada. Two: Not really Hogan's prime is it?

And Hogan got a LOT of wins over Piper during Hulkamania. If Piper gets DQ'd, he still loses and Hogan still advances. Getting disqualified still counts as a loss, and you just said Piper suffered several losses to Hogan during their primes. In their primes, did Piper ever get a clean win over Hogan?

Are we going for a clean win or DQ? Piper had a cleaner record than Hogan.

I'm sorry, but your logic is absurd. What you are saying is "Piper beat Hogan when Hogan was a heel (but never for the title) and those are the reasons Piper is better than Hogan. Oh sure, Hogan beat Piper a million times, but they don't count because Mr. America doesn't count even though it was the same guy as Hulk Hogan, and Superbrawl doesn't count because Savage was there, and disqualifications don't count because their disqualifications and they just don't count."

That's just asinine. Hogan has beat Piper clean, he's beat him dirty, he's beat him by DQ. Clearly Hogan can beat Piper. But when it REALLY mattered, which is when a title was on the line, Piper always choked. And in this tournament, one loss and you go home. Piper would choke again, Hogan obviously has ice water in his veins during the big matches, and Hogan would win again. Even if it's because Piper is an idiot and gets disqualified.

Hogan wins. In kayfabe, Hogan wins. In terms of ability, Hogan wins. In clutch time, big-time matches, Hogan wins. In this tournament stipulation match, Hogan wins.

Hogan is simply all-around better than Piper.

'Million times'? 5 singles matches that mattered, Hogan 3-2 up.

Match1: Piper (heel) gets DQ'd.
Match2: Piper (face) puts Hogan to sleep despite the attention of the nWo.
Match3: Piper (face) puts Hogan to sleep, gets declared World Champion and gets screwed out of the decision by Randy Savage. [I seriously hope that WZ officials are better than WCWs]
Match4: Piper (face) puts Hogan to sleep despite the attention of the nWo.
Match5: 50 something, Mr America defeats Piper (heel).

No matter what way you read this history, Piper looks the better man. Hogan wins because he's Hogan is the weak case that's running through this thread, Piper wins because he had and has the Real American's number.

 

[hatehabsforever]

Hogan in a romp. Don't really know how much can be said about this one. Don't get me wrong, I liked Piper back in the day, but I don't really consider him a particularly good wrestler. Hogan, on the other hand, like him or not, is the greatest wrestler in professional wrestling history. Not to suggest he was necessarily the most technically skilled, but I do think he was far better in terms of competence than many of his detractors give him credit for.

Hogan easily.

 

[Stormtrooper]

Prime?

It's just as much of their primes as the whole WCW era. So if you're gonna count WCW, then count that too.

Hmmm... can we get Heath Slater in here as he's beaten John Cena then?

So Hogan, who has ROUTINELY defeated Piper in his career, wins again in a Tag match, and you're calling it a fluke?

Whenever you pick, it's one clean win EVER.

Actually, hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Clean wins and wins don't mean jack shit. And considering Pipers 2 "clean" wins both were a DIRECT result of outside interference (one from Savage, one from Giant), it's actually the only clean decision out there.

Hogan has one clean victory in his career at the age of 53 as Mr America, unless your looking the Immortal one to go through via the cheap route of a DQ?

The Cheap route that he went through at The War to Settle The Score, and the Wrestling Classic you mean? And no, Hogan will PIN Piper, after a Leg Drop, clean in the middle of the ring because there is not one single thing that Piper has done that's better then Hogan.

So Piper was a heel as IC Champion then - his greatest success in the WWF? Or maybe he was a heel when the referee raised his hand as WCW Champion against 'Hollywood' Hulk Hogan?

So you are gonna try and argue that Pipers greatest success was not Main Eventing the biggest wrestling show of all time, and wasn't being "half of what made Hulkamania and the WWF" (which is a load of shit if you ask me), rather when he was in his 40's working for WCW? You realize that the reason those matches happened in WCW was BECAUSE of the feud between these 2 from the 80's, right?

Erm... because creative were smart enough to realise that he'd have been booed for 10 minutes if he came out to 'Real American' his face theme so had to send him out with his heel music. Again, Piper's greatest successes were as a face.

Are you fucking stupid or something? Hogan coming out to Real American would, as I said, get a 10 minute ovation at an Al Queda Training facility. And did you hear the fans in Toronto at WrestleMania VI and X8? They both were pro Hogan. He could come out to Blame Canada (from the South Park movie), and the Canadian people would fucking love him, because he's HULK MOTHERFUCKING HOGAN.

Yup, I do. I take it lateral thinking ain't your speciality. I'll explain it simply, Hulk Hogan will get no 'love' (Black Eyed Peas reference) if he comes out to his 'prime' music (Real American reference) in Canada against a Canadian.

You really are stupid.
1. Hogan (who is CLEARLY a Face here) will get a pop regardless of where he is, because he's one of the most beloved wrestlers in the history of the business.
2. Piper is BILLED FROM GLASGOW FUCKING SCOTLAND. Regardless of where he's really from, he's never been billed as being from Canada, so why would he be here?

Please look up 'delusional'. Creative didn't play 'Real American' because they knew what the reaction would be and that was just for a promo, not even a match. Do you really think the reaction would be if he was coming out against the UnAmericans? (Why am I guessing you probably will be arguing this?)

You're an idiot. They didn't play Real American because Hulk Hogan was not using Real American as his entrance music at the time. When he came back in 2002, the first time he used Real American was the July 4th Smackdown.

Creative history by Stormtrooper 101. You conveniently 'forgot' to mention Hogan's first win's circumstances. The referee didn't make a 'mistake' - Hogan's feet were not under the ropes, his mistake was falling for Savages cheating and restarting the match when the correct decision had already been made. So Hogan being... what's the word... stupid?... led to two wins for Piper then?

Fail. The ref restarted the match because he saw Hogans feet under the ropes. What matters is what the ref says, not what "actually" happened. Hogan (the heel) used heel tactics (making the ref think he erroneously failed to call for a rope break). The Ref didn't catch it, and Hogan then won the match.

Nick, is that you? Unless you have been living under a rock, no American has been cheered over a Canadian in Canada in almost twenty years without extreme just cause (that being the Canadian degrading his own nationality, ala Y2J and even then he was still being cheered).

Piper isn't a Canadian (Kayfabe). He's from GLASGOW MOTHERFUCKING SCOTLAND, YOU DUMB FUCK. And heels (that aren't anti-American/pro-Canadian heels) will get booed no matter where they're from.

So HULK FUCKING HOGAN has to rely on Roddy getting DQ'd because he can't get the job done then? I haven't mentioned DQs because I want a 'clean' and 'decisive' winner.

You can want it, but the fact that more of their matches ended in DQ would give this a good chance for the same. However, Hogan doesn't have to rely on a DQ. Just because a DQ happened doesn't mean Hogan was gonna lose if he didn't get it.

Why do you keep contradicting yourself by talking about Hogan and Piper's primes and then fall back on Mr America?

No, people brought up Mr. America, then act like Mr. America wasn't Hulk Hogan. WWE history recognizes Mr. America as Hulk Hogan. Mr. America got fired because he revealed himself to be HULK HOGAN. And I bring up this match because people like to act like Piper and Hogans prime was in the late 90's for WCW, which is asinine. If they act like the 90's were more important then the 80's, then the 00's were just as important too.

One: Mr America would not go over in Canada. Two: Not really Hogan's prime is it?

Except Mr. America DID go over in Canada.

Are we going for a clean win or DQ? Piper had a cleaner record than Hogan.

Not really.

'Million times'? 5 singles matches that mattered, Hogan 3-2 up.
So Hogan has defeated Piper more then Piper defeated Hogan, yet Piper is better?

Match1: Piper (heel) gets DQ'd.
What you mean to say is piper got himself DQed by assulting actors and musicians and officials.

Match2: Piper (face) puts Hogan to sleep despite the attention of the nWo.

What you mean here is Piper puts Hogan to sleep thanks to boched interference.

Match3: Piper (face) puts Hogan to sleep, gets declared World Champion and gets screwed out of the decision by Randy Savage. [I seriously hope that WZ officials are better than WCWs]

No, what REALLY happened (sorry you seem to be too stupid to understand the ACTUAL result of the match) was that Hulk Hogan was awarded a Rope Break by the official because he saw Hogans feet under the ropes. That's a common thing. Piper was never awarded the Championship, the match was never officially over, as the ref awarded a restart because he missed said Rope Break (yeah, the heel cheated, welcome to wrestling.

Match4: Piper (face) puts Hogan to sleep despite the attention of the nWo.

Actually, the result was as follows:
Piper (face) puts Hogan to sleep after Randy Savage knocked out Hogan.

Match5: 50 something, Mr America defeats Piper (heel).
So you admit to Piper losing clean, even though he supposedly never did to Hogan? oh wow.

No matter what way you read this history, Piper looks the better man. Hogan wins because he's Hogan is the weak case that's running through this thread, Piper wins because he had and has the Real American's number.

Piper lost by pinfall twice, he got himself DQed twice. Piper then won 2 matches via sleeper, one as a direct result of outside interference from Randy Savage, the other by The Giant. You want to award Piper clean wins when he won as a DIRECT result of outside interference, then want to claim that Hogan didn't win clean because of the SAME outside interference. Clearly you have a bias double standard, because the guy you want to win is facing a juggernaut that is in virtually every faced of the argument BETTER then Piper.

Piper never had Hogans number, as the fact that you yourself admit the record being in Hogans favor should prove. Hogan wins because he is, in VIRTUALLY every facet of the game, a better Professional Wrestler then Roddy Piper. It doesn't matter how it ends, DQ because Pipers a hothead, Leg Drop in the middle of the ring, whatever, but what would happen here is that Hulk Hogan, the Greatest Professional Wrestler of All Time will have his hand raised, Real American will play, and the CANADIAN fans will GO FUCKING CRAZY, because they love Hogan as much as the Americans.

 

[Muffin Top Merkley]

There's a small point that seems to have been forgotten in all the Hulk in Japan furore - this match is in Calgary, Alberta, CANADA. It is not in the US of A. As such the hometown boy is Roddy Piper and the heel is Mr Bollea (yes, I know he's meant to be Scottish, but between word of mouth from those in the know and the wits of Piper who I'm sure would promo the fact his da was RCMP - his Canadian lineage would be milked). For anyone who wasn't watching 'Rowdy' versus 'Hollywood' in WCW, a face Piper goes over a heel Hogan who doesn't have his trusty Hulk Up to fall back on and is extremely susceptible to the sleeper hold.

Hogan isn't going to be jeered out of the building just because he's in Canada and not USA. As a Canadian, I'm very confident in the fact that no one is throwing garbage into the ring when he walks down to the ring to 'Real Americian or when he Hulks Up. They didn't do it at WrestleMania 6, nor did they at WrestleMania X8.

Hogan's popularity was as strong in Canada as it was in the States.

Yes, Canadians will cheer for a fellow Canadian no matter if they are a heel or a face, but they aren't going to get behind Piper more for Piper than they would for Hogan.

 

[FitFinlay4Life]

Hogan isn't going to be jeered out of the building just because he's in Canada and not USA. As a Canadian, I'm very confident in the fact that no one is throwing garbage into the ring when he walks down to the ring to 'Real Americian or when he Hulks Up. They didn't do it at WrestleMania 6, nor did they at WrestleMania X8.

Hogan's popularity was as strong in Canada as it was in the States.

Yes, Canadians will cheer for a fellow Canadian no matter if they are a heel or a face, but they aren't going to get behind Piper more for Piper than they would for Hogan.

Nice reply Muffin, classy with no insults. The point I've been raising is that ever since Bret Hart started feuding with the top American faces, Canadian fans have cheered homegrown guys over their American counterparts, irrespective of what the face / heel dynamic may be. Now Piper actually being a Canadian Scot is one of the worst kept secrets in wrestling (the accent is kind of a give away) and given the pageantry of a live event and the reputation that the Canadian fans seem to have embraced, who better to boo than the Immortal one? Also, like I've previously mentioned X8 did not involve a Canadian slant and VI pre-dated Bret's 'heel' turn. The Ultimate Warrior and Sid Justice were cheered over Hulkamania in America, I still think Canada would be in Piper's corner in 2011.

 

[Muffin Top Merkley]

Nice reply Muffin, classy with no insults.

Oh, sorry. I completely forgot.

Umm... You're short, your bellybutton sticks out too far, and you're a terrible burden on your poor mother.

The point I've been raising is that ever since Bret Hart started feuding with the top American faces, Canadian fans have cheered homegrown guys over their American counterparts, irrespective of what the face / heel dynamic may be.

Every heel gets cheered when he or she finally returns to their hometown. The heel then tends to take the time and cut a promo insulting the fans and the city to ensure that they successfully remain a heel even in their own hometown. Piper would be able to do this better than anyone.

[/quote]Now Piper actually being a Canadian Scot is one of the worst kept secrets in wrestling (the accent is kind of a give away) and given the pageantry of a live event and the reputation that the Canadian fans seem to have embraced, who better to boo than the Immortal one? Also, like I've previously mentioned X8 did not involve a Canadian slant and VI pre-dated Bret's 'heel' turn. The Ultimate Warrior and Sid Justice were cheered over Hulkamania in America, I still think Canada would be in Piper's corner in 2011.[/QUOTE]

I can cheer for Christian until I lose my voice, but when Hulk Hogan's music hits and he walks through the curtain, I'm still going to manage (some how)to cheer louder for Hulk than I did for the hometown Canadian.

The fans are going to be decisively behind Hogan for this one.

 

[FitFinlay4Life]

Oh, sorry. I completely forgot.

Umm... You're short, your bellybutton sticks out too far, and you're a terrible burden on your poor mother.

I don't want to talk to you no more, you empty headed animal food trough wiper. I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries.

Every heel gets cheered when he or she finally returns to their hometown. The heel then tends to take the time and cut a promo insulting the fans and the city to ensure that they successfully remain a heel even in their own hometown. Piper would be able to do this better than anyone.

Again I don't get why WM1 is picked as his prime? Piper's only WWF gold was when he won the IC title in '92 at the Royal Rumble, ironically against the Mountie. His career high push, on the other hand, has to be when he was presented as the better of Hogan in singles bouts in a series of PPV Main Events in WCW. Personally, I still think that both of these instances are better than taking on BA Baracus in a single Tag Match.

I can cheer for Christian until I lose my voice, but when Hulk Hogan's music hits and he walks through the curtain, I'm still going to manage (some how)to cheer louder for Hulk than I did for the hometown Canadian.

The fans are going to be decisively behind Hogan for this one.

No offence to Christian because I'm a massive fan but he hasn't even been pushed to Piper's level (and I count Roddy as underutilised). I still am not persuaded - just two guys that are on Hogan's level have been booed out of Canadian arenas (HBK & SCSA), the announcers have actually been dumbstruck by Canadian reaction in matches and in general. Now, I know people will say 'It's because he is Hulk Hogan' but 'Hollywood' Hogan was happily booed in WCW, why should the Canadian's have ecstatically cheered him over the People's Champion? It's part of the reason I love shows from your country, they're deliciously messed up.