Bret Hart told Vince to "Bring his ass down to the ring". Didn't see that coming on PG television, but hey its 11 o'clock at night EST on a school night. Shame on some parents for letting kids stay up that late. Anyway, what does it mean that "ass" was said? Was it just a one off thing? Was it Bret just venting and not following protocol? Or...was it Vince loosening the leash and letting things flow a little bit more naturally?
Bret Hart says "ass" on television. What does that mean for PG WWE?
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undertaker fan
Occasional Pre-Show
Well if you noticed that Cena and Triple H were cursing to last week I don't remember what they were saying but I knew they said a curse word. And I noticed yesterday that the pay per view wasn't PG either it was TV-14 so I'm guessing that the Vinnie Mac is trying to be more loose and not being so strict about things.
RatedRSuperstar
Dark Match Winner
I have noticed the last couple of weeks that the WWE has been a little bit edgier with what they have said on television. Last night at the Royal rumble, Matt striker almost saying "holy shit" was hilarious. Then Bret hart saying "ass" twice.. Maybe Vince has decided to let things slide a little more since it seems like this whole Linda McMahon senate thing is calming down a little bit..well, to me it seems that way.
finneycom1
Pre-Show Stalwart
Undertaker fan, I noticed the same thing last week. Do you guys think that Vinnie Mac is maybe looking for things to come with TNA getting bigger? I did notice that, even though I am not a huge TNA fan, that ever since they have been on the air, their content is more "Attitude Era" than WWE has been in a long time.
It's like this: I dont have to have curse words and racey storylines, but you gotta admit, that most older fans can relate more and people are more interested when these things occur. You cant tell me that when two grown men are fighting that curse words are not going to be spouted. It just makes the content more relatable, I think.
It's like this: I dont have to have curse words and racey storylines, but you gotta admit, that most older fans can relate more and people are more interested when these things occur. You cant tell me that when two grown men are fighting that curse words are not going to be spouted. It just makes the content more relatable, I think.
Kenny Powers
Bulletproof Tiger
Yeah I guess Bret can say what he wants to say in context. He was still pretty tame though compared to what he is capable of on the mic. I remember in the mid 90's before the attitude era when Bret turned heel. He was saying shit and god damn on Raw, when that was really taboo. I think Bret saying ass on a TV PG show isn't ground breaking though.
There are shows and cartoons that are PG that use ass in them. I wouldn't get my hopes up just yet. It would be nice for once for them to let loose and say what they want for a change. The fans seemed to enjoy it.
There are shows and cartoons that are PG that use ass in them. I wouldn't get my hopes up just yet. It would be nice for once for them to let loose and say what they want for a change. The fans seemed to enjoy it.
Dr. Stinger A. Zoidberg
Stay in school and don't litter.
Did you seriously make a thread on this? I mean really, This is like your 4th pointless thread of the night. Yes he said 'Ass' but in all honesty, Is 'ass' really that BAD of a word? I think not. It was heat of the moment in my mind, It doesnt mean anything. Do us a favor and Get over it!
Well I hope your speculation is true in that I hope this PG bullshit will let up soon. Some evidence is pointing toward that. But I think in Bret's case its Vince letting Bret do what Bret wants to do, creative control. Similar to The Rock, did you see The Rock on the SD 10th anniversary show? Same type thing. Of course he's gonna let these guys do their thing freely. And hopefully even that helps rid us of this crippling PG crap.
Kinghaspoken
Dark Match Jobber
I'm sure he was given the OK to say ass but even so who cares? It adds to the storyline and its after 11 pm est.
Ambiguous Turd
Mid-Card Championship Winner
Bret Hart is someone I'm assuming Vince probably gives a little leniency to in his promos. I wouldn't be surprised if Hart said "ass" and was unaware that this is not the way things are supposed to be done in WWE, since he hasn't been around for a while, and Vince trusts him on the mic. Last time Bret was with the company, he was saying "ass" left and right in his promos. Old habits die hard.
BladeRunner
Getting Noticed By Management
I think they're loosening things up a bit actually. You can do a lot with PG if you want, as in, be a more adult PG.
Also, last night in the royal rumble, Undertaker was bleeding from the nose, and they didn't go out there to stop his nose from bleeding. That's definitely some loosening up from prior instances of bleeding where they instantly stopped the match and tended to the bleeding.
And lastly, cursing is something that naturally occurs when people get angry, so to never have cursing is unrealistic. And you can do cursing in PG as well as long as it's not too much. So I figure they wised up and used the tools available to make Bret really look like the pissed off old man he is
Also, last night in the royal rumble, Undertaker was bleeding from the nose, and they didn't go out there to stop his nose from bleeding. That's definitely some loosening up from prior instances of bleeding where they instantly stopped the match and tended to the bleeding.
And lastly, cursing is something that naturally occurs when people get angry, so to never have cursing is unrealistic. And you can do cursing in PG as well as long as it's not too much. So I figure they wised up and used the tools available to make Bret really look like the pissed off old man he is
Trance Metaphor
Floundering in Mid-Card Hell
What does PG mean? Parental Guidance. Why should there be Parental Guidance? Because some things may not be suitable for children. He said 'ass' on a PG-rated show. So what? Is that so out-of-the-ordinary? Last time I checked, I even heard 'hell' on a PG show. With all the watering down of the WWE in recent years, they might as well give it a G rating to appease the super-sensitive viewers at home covering their mouths with their hands and going, "Oh! He said the D word!" It doesn't mean anything for PG WWE. It'll remain the way it is until Vince McMahon decides to change it again. I don't think anyone cares.
Im hoping that this is all the start of the end of this PG era but at the same time im not holding my breath on it. As far as Bret saying "ass" on Raw, my bet would be that it is just Bret being himself. As was said a few posts ago, he probably just isnt used to censoring what he says because it has been so long since he was in the WWE. But here's to me being wrong...!
Big Daddy Fool
One Man Rock Band
Mountains out of mole hills. First off, it's past 11 o clock on a cable television show, not PBS at 9 am. It's a PG program. There are 3 stricter and more conservative then PG; Y, Y7 and G. According to the FCC website here are the guidelines for a PG program
Ass is hardly a bad word, it's even allowed to be said on network television. It's a wrestling program, if a parent was to get worked up by the word ass and not by a 300 pound muscular man attacking a man in his 50s coming back from a stroke and holds him to get spit on, then their priorities are out of wack.
Ass is hardly a bad word, it's even allowed to be said on network television. It's a wrestling program, if a parent was to get worked up by the word ass and not by a 300 pound muscular man attacking a man in his 50s coming back from a stroke and holds him to get spit on, then their priorities are out of wack.
wow, stinger is hardcore isnt he? Bad day? relax, grab a beer.
I think WWE realizes going completely Kid Oriented isnt the solution.. and the older fans who watched since the early days are just not watching at all, or switching to TNA. That's not what Vince wants. He wants both Kids and the older crowd to be interested. So, i think it was scripted for Bret to say it. Even on the January 4th Raw Bret was saying "Butt" I believe. So things are definitely changing a little.
It wasnt the heat of the moment for Bret. It's a storyline now. Bret and Vince are on good terms, or Bret wouldn't have come back. So yes, things are changing a bit.
I think WWE realizes going completely Kid Oriented isnt the solution.. and the older fans who watched since the early days are just not watching at all, or switching to TNA. That's not what Vince wants. He wants both Kids and the older crowd to be interested. So, i think it was scripted for Bret to say it. Even on the January 4th Raw Bret was saying "Butt" I believe. So things are definitely changing a little.
It wasnt the heat of the moment for Bret. It's a storyline now. Bret and Vince are on good terms, or Bret wouldn't have come back. So yes, things are changing a bit.
I don't think it's that big of a deal because "ass" is not the worst word someone could have said.... besides, Bret and Vince were legitimately upset at each other for years, Bret tried to patch things up and Vince kicks him.... so it makes sense that Hart would (kayfabe) be angry enough to say something like "get your ass out here!" to Vince. Plus, Hart is a legend so Vince is probably a little more lenient with him in terms of what he can accidentally say on the mic and get away with. If it WAS an accident, then I'm sure someone talked to Hart about it and it won't happen again.
I would not make too much of it. the pg era is not about words, and in the ten years since the attitude era started words like ass are now pg. If anything i think suck it is worse than ass. Remember, the pg era is not necessarily about words, it is about concepts, storylines, violence, etc. The WWE used to sell sex and push the boundaries of taste. Now it has scaled back into traditional storylines. Since most parents would let their kids watch PG movies, which also feature words like ass, this is in line with the PG era
I don't think that the use of the word has any bearing on anything really. If the censors are going to care about that, I'd be very surprised. The word doesn't really matter. I imagine he said it without thinking because he probably has some degree of creative freedom and that's it really. I doubt this means anything in the long run.
Lee
Is it a bird? Is it a plane? No it's Supermod!
Talk about scraping the barrell. It seems like people need to realise that PG does allow quite a bit to happen. You'd think it was rated U/G the way you guys are going on. Ass is perfectly acceptable to say, but just chill about it. Watch a great promo and not go "OMGz BrET SWEARED!!!" enjoy the product instead of trying to jump on this PG thing every fricking week.
Yeah I made a thread. If you don't like it, don't comment or read them. Do yourself and me a favor.
The significance of ass being said on TV-PG is that the WWE has been squeaky clean for months now, even going so far as to not deliberately show blood on television. With the recent safe approach, something as small as the word ass stands out. Especially considering TNA is coming to Mondays and Wrestlemania is around the corner.
If I didnt make this thread, you can bet your ass someone else would have. Dont be mad because you didnt think of it first.
Nah, its not that its not PG, as it doesn't really make a difference. PG allows for quite a bit of things. However, the significance here is that it hasn't been said in MONTHS if not over a year (other than the Rock's recorded promo on Smackdown!)
It is little things like this that beg you to ask the question, what direction are they going with content now, as everything has been squeaky clean lately. And I mean "Squeaky" clean. HHH breaking into Orton's house seems like a long time ago now.
Spaceman Spif
Getting Noticed By Management
Yeah really it's no big deal and it is not a sign of things to come with the PG Era. Things are pretty much the same they have been and will be. Bret saying ass on tv two times is nothing anymore for a pg rating. So while Vince may be aloowing a little more lenincy, I doubt the whole pg thing is going away.
Shadowmancer
I am The Last Baron
whoop-de-fucking-shit, Bret Hart said Ass on TV, ZOMG the PG era is over.
And for those that don't get the last bit that was sarcasm.
He said Ass on TV so what worse gets said on TV and in homes everyday at that time of night. Saying someone is an ass can mean many different things and still insulting, calling someone an Ass means that you are talking about a four legged equine animal. Or the posterior of a person, so calling someone a donkey is really offensive, great one there, the "PG era" is still around and frankly I like the fact that the language got cleaned up, you don't have to swear to get a pop or heat, it is cheap and just shows a lack of creativity within promo writing.
And for those that don't get the last bit that was sarcasm.
He said Ass on TV so what worse gets said on TV and in homes everyday at that time of night. Saying someone is an ass can mean many different things and still insulting, calling someone an Ass means that you are talking about a four legged equine animal. Or the posterior of a person, so calling someone a donkey is really offensive, great one there, the "PG era" is still around and frankly I like the fact that the language got cleaned up, you don't have to swear to get a pop or heat, it is cheap and just shows a lack of creativity within promo writing.
MrPerfect316
Dark Match Jobber
Shadowmancer, i personally agree that it doesnt need over the top language to be good and im ok with it being cleaned up. But i think this "pg" era is even more chilled off than late 80s and early 90s, least so far to me it seems just very dulled down in even comparison to years prior to attitude era.
Maybe its just me though. But i just feel like the show is way to hippy happy overall in even comparison to the older days.
Maybe its just me though. But i just feel like the show is way to hippy happy overall in even comparison to the older days.
Mantaur Rodeo Clown
X-Pac Rules
And boom. There we have it. The truth of the matter is that swearing isn't really needed. Sure we all loved it during the Attitude Era, but we liked it more for the fact that it was shocking rather than they were calling someone an asswipe or whatever the term might have been. If a heel can get a reaction from a crowd without having to swear at them, it's much more entertaining on his part. A Face shouldn't have to call the heel a dickwad in order to get a pop. Resorting to swearing all the time eventually degrades the word and it loses its effect. The Rock was just as effective with Jabroni, for instance.
Case in point, Bret Hart said "ass" and you guys seem to be up in arms about it. The fact that swear words arent being used actually strengthens them whenever they are used, and it means a lot more. They only have to push the envelope a little now (Imagine calling someone a bitch *gasp*) for a huge reaction to be garnered.
Shadowmancer
I am The Last Baron
Nothing wrong with that the world is a dark and scary place right now, and if wrestling is there to make the world more entertained and happy, so be it.
I'm going to make an assumption and say that you were watching in the late 80s early 90s, that would mean that you were quite probably a kid during those times and I would hazard a guess that there may be elements of rose-tinted spectacles coming in. While there was a large amount of the storylines like the Rick Martel and the blinding thing leading to a blindfold match and the Damien biting wrestlers and all that, there was your Hulk Hogan hulking up, the pink and black attack, the USS Intrepid stuff. just like now there is stuff like CM Punk and him effectively starting a cult. There is a lot of stuff out there that is darker in nature that can attract people to the program, IED and Randy Orton being a good example.