If it were a racial comment, then I don't blame Del Rio for slapping the guy. And with the WWE releasing a statement saying we're not gonna say anything else about the situation,that makes the whole thing suspect. With that being said, WWE should have just suspended both of them and put all employees on notice that we're not going to tolerate physical violence against our non performers and we're not gonna tolerate racism. And the next time it happens to anybody, you're out of here.
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If it were a racial comment, then I don't blame Del Rio for slapping the guy. And with the WWE releasing a statement saying we're not gonna say anything else about the situation,that makes the whole thing suspect. With that being said, WWE should have just suspended both of them and put all employees on notice that we're not going to tolerate physical violence against our non performers and we're not gonna tolerate racism. And the next time it happens to anybody, you're out of here.
JoeyJoeJoe
Championship Contender
I'm just wondering who's going to give a shit in a year's time, or even notice within the next week or two that he's gone.
We've been mourning this guy's WWE career for months in the forums. This just seems like an Old Yeller style mercy killing at this point.
We've been mourning this guy's WWE career for months in the forums. This just seems like an Old Yeller style mercy killing at this point.
Just coming in here to own up to being the first person to suggest it could be an angle. Given the information that's come out I 100% believe this to be true now and I was wrong in stating it could be an angle no minor how small of a chance I thought it could be that it was an angle. I still put that idea out there.
I won't miss ADR. I never cared for the guy. I know some people enjoyed his matches. I didn't. I never looked forward to them. I never looked forward to his promos.
As JoeyJoeJoe said above it's likely that not too many people are really even going to miss him.
I won't miss ADR. I never cared for the guy. I know some people enjoyed his matches. I didn't. I never looked forward to them. I never looked forward to his promos.
As JoeyJoeJoe said above it's likely that not too many people are really even going to miss him.
I was wondering about that myself. But I don't think we'll know until either the WWE or Del Rio gives out more information. In the case of the WWE, they are unlikely to do so, unless he tries to make them look bad in some future interview. Or we might never know what actually happened.
I did read today that he recently relocated to Texas. The move is making people think, he already had pretty much made up his mind, and wanted to be closer to Mexico, when his contract expired.
MidnightZero
Dark Match Jobber
About the racial comment thing, I have two points. 1) Words like slur and racist have been overused to the point where they are meaningless to me. So many people have called so many things slurs that aren't. If we don't know exactly what was said, we can't say that a slur was used. 2) If a slur was used, ADR responded the wrong way. If I am in a place of employment and I slap someone, I am likely to face harsh action regardless of what he said. What he should have done is gone into Vince McMahon's office and said, this reporter called me "slur". The thing is, it is different if he were to slap say, Randy Orton, Sheamus, or another superstar. Same way an athlete can have altercation with another athlete. This guy wasn't an athlete though. He was media and rule 1 of being a professional anything is you never, ever, lay your hands on the media period.
JoeFromTomsRiver
Championship Contender
Well, the WWE posted this on Twitter late this afternoon:
(1/2) @VivaDelRio is responsible for his own actions. If you’re angry at anyone, be angry at Alberto.
(2/2) There’s no excuse for a pro athlete not to conduct themselves in a professional manner.
Damn straight. As I said earlier, I don't care what someone said to him. You can't slap someone because they pissed you off at work and expect to not get canned.
(1/2) @VivaDelRio is responsible for his own actions. If you’re angry at anyone, be angry at Alberto.
(2/2) There’s no excuse for a pro athlete not to conduct themselves in a professional manner.
Damn straight. As I said earlier, I don't care what someone said to him. You can't slap someone because they pissed you off at work and expect to not get canned.
So someone should be able to say something racist to me and according to you I should just have to take it? Seriously,shut the fuck up,idiot.
NegativeFeedback
Mid-Card Championship Winner
According to the law, yes. Freedom of speech means he can say anything he wants to your face, and you can say anything back at him. But unfortunately there's nothing in the constitution about freedom of slap.
As for his contract, it probably includes a clause about no violence outside the ring. And I bet it contains absolutely nothing about racist remarks, because WWE has been a racism haven for years. Alberto and that guy should both be punished, but in a company where Michael Hayes is one of their top producers, it's obvious that the racist is going to get away unscathed while Del Rio loses his livelihood.
JoeFromTomsRiver
Championship Contender
You can do whatever you want. Just be prepared to live with the consequences. "He insulted me" is not a valid defense for physically assaulting someone. Especially in the workplace. I think the guy who used the slur should be fired also, for the record.
On another side note about ADR: I will Miss him probably one of the few that actually will.. Without him or Daniel Bryan i am racking my brain to try to figure out who the top technician in-ring wise is now.. ADR was good on the mic,great in the ring.. As far as a racial slur goes,who knows none of us were there so its hard to speculate..
But given ADR's past,its not a stretch to find fault if not all the fault with him.. If If If,he assaulted someone in the HR dept or Media or whatever then he deserves to be let go,as would anyone..
We really cant compare anyones past behaviors to ADRs. Different circumstances warrant different consequences.. I will miss him,i wish the best for him i do.. Raw N Smackdown IMO will suffer just a tad without him there
Absolutely,if the guy is proven to have used a slur against ADR he should immediately be fired.. But still it doesn't give ADR the right to assault someone he should have went to Vince or Trips or whoever and said this guy called me this Slur! Let upper Mgmt deal with that!
But given ADR's past,its not a stretch to find fault if not all the fault with him.. If If If,he assaulted someone in the HR dept or Media or whatever then he deserves to be let go,as would anyone..
We really cant compare anyones past behaviors to ADRs. Different circumstances warrant different consequences.. I will miss him,i wish the best for him i do.. Raw N Smackdown IMO will suffer just a tad without him there
Absolutely,if the guy is proven to have used a slur against ADR he should immediately be fired.. But still it doesn't give ADR the right to assault someone he should have went to Vince or Trips or whoever and said this guy called me this Slur! Let upper Mgmt deal with that!
southrnbygrace
Dark Match Winner
WWE showed how little class it has with those two tweets. Sounds like the person he slapped was gloating. And for Triple H to re-tweet them lowers my respect for him tremendously. You should never support racism in any form and that's what I feel WWE is doing. Maybe Del Rio shouldn't have slapped the guy (although I am glad he did IF the racial slur rumor is true), but WWE is dead wrong in their 'punishment'. Especially since they apparently did nothing to the guy that made the racist remark.
NegativeFeedback
Mid-Card Championship Winner
I wonder what a marky little kid is supposed to think when he reads that Alberto Del Rio was fired for unprofessional conduct. When he sees a heel beat up on an interviewer backstage, or even run in and interfere in a match, shouldn't that also be acknowledged as unprofessional conduct??
The fine line between professional and unprofessional should be different in WWE. I wouldn't expect to get hit in the face working at Microsoft, but when you're in a wrestling company where people walk around in their underwear and beat each other up for a living, this should be considered an occupational hazard.
If Alberto Del Rio had shown up in dress clothes, and stripped to his underwear in front of the divas, would that have been "unprofessional conduct" as well?? If the answer is yes, would it be any different if I replaced "underwear" with "his wrestling speedo"?
Like I said, WWE needs to be more consistent with their rules. If they want to be serious about no violence outside the ring, then they shouldn't do angles with violence outside the ring. Yeah, I know it's scripted, but they are in the business of making people suspend disbelief. After a fight scene on Game of Thrones, the actors talk about how amazing it was to film it. After a fight scene in WWE, the actors keep stirring up shit online acting as if it were real. So it's completely different.
You can't half-ass what constitutes a firing offense.
The fine line between professional and unprofessional should be different in WWE. I wouldn't expect to get hit in the face working at Microsoft, but when you're in a wrestling company where people walk around in their underwear and beat each other up for a living, this should be considered an occupational hazard.
If Alberto Del Rio had shown up in dress clothes, and stripped to his underwear in front of the divas, would that have been "unprofessional conduct" as well?? If the answer is yes, would it be any different if I replaced "underwear" with "his wrestling speedo"?
Like I said, WWE needs to be more consistent with their rules. If they want to be serious about no violence outside the ring, then they shouldn't do angles with violence outside the ring. Yeah, I know it's scripted, but they are in the business of making people suspend disbelief. After a fight scene on Game of Thrones, the actors talk about how amazing it was to film it. After a fight scene in WWE, the actors keep stirring up shit online acting as if it were real. So it's completely different.
You can't half-ass what constitutes a firing offense.
I don't feel like looking to see if anybody posted this already, but the WWE's Twitter account posted two very interesting tweets...especially interesting for a certain group of very stupid people.
If you're one of those morons in the "OMG THERE'S NO WAY THIS IS A WORK AND ANYBODY WHO THINKS THERE'S THE SLIGHTEST CHANCE IT IS IS A COMPLETE IDIOT!!!!!1111112" camp, you're looking even dumber now. This definitely doesn't help your cause.
If this is legitimate, the WWE is handling it very strangely. Between the wording of the official statement on their website, where they actually gave a reason for his release and had no mention of "future endeavor" well wishes, and now especially these tweets...clearly they're not handling this like any other discipline they've ever handed out. Does that mean it's a work? No. But it sure increases the odds that it is. I'm still guessing that it's legit, but I would not be the least bit surprised if it was a work, and you shouldn't either.
If you're one of those morons in the "OMG THERE'S NO WAY THIS IS A WORK AND ANYBODY WHO THINKS THERE'S THE SLIGHTEST CHANCE IT IS IS A COMPLETE IDIOT!!!!!1111112" camp, you're looking even dumber now. This definitely doesn't help your cause.
If this is legitimate, the WWE is handling it very strangely. Between the wording of the official statement on their website, where they actually gave a reason for his release and had no mention of "future endeavor" well wishes, and now especially these tweets...clearly they're not handling this like any other discipline they've ever handed out. Does that mean it's a work? No. But it sure increases the odds that it is. I'm still guessing that it's legit, but I would not be the least bit surprised if it was a work, and you shouldn't either.
Where is there anywhere in the two tweets you posted does it suggest it's a work? It would seems to me that they are reacting to criticism over the way it was handled, and maybe some die hard Del Rio fans complaining about it.
Maybe he wasn't given the traditional send off because this wasn't a traditional firing. I think it's legit, as he wanted out and his contract is going to expire. He just hurried the end game along a little faster than maybe he even hoped for.
JoeFromTomsRiver
Championship Contender
If it's a work, I'll say "touche WWE, good job, you got me interested in something". Sure, there is a POSSIBILITY it's a work. I'm not the one who fired ADR, so I can't say for sure it is legit.
But coming up w/ weak "clues" on why it "could be" a work (although you think it's legit), while saying that those who are accepting it as legit and don't buy into it being a work are "morons", is WEAK.
JoeFromTomsRiver
Championship Contender
And think about it. Does the WWE seem like the kind of company that wants to have a storyline where one of their wrestlers is fired for slapping an office worker who called him a racial slur? It's just too "out of the box" for how they do things.
UNLESS, they've undergone some radical change in Creative and want to actually push the envelope, they can have the Nation 2.0 come to his defense and run roughshod on the WWE until Del Rio is hired back. They would take up his case and say that he reacted appropriately in response to a racial slur and should not have been fired. Now see, this is why I hope it IS a work, and I hope you CAN call me a moron if it was all a work. I just don't think the WWE has it in them to pull it off.
UNLESS, they've undergone some radical change in Creative and want to actually push the envelope, they can have the Nation 2.0 come to his defense and run roughshod on the WWE until Del Rio is hired back. They would take up his case and say that he reacted appropriately in response to a racial slur and should not have been fired. Now see, this is why I hope it IS a work, and I hope you CAN call me a moron if it was all a work. I just don't think the WWE has it in them to pull it off.
jacdnwarrior
Championship Contender
If it's legit,(I think it is), wish him the best of luck and sorry to see him go. I don't think he should've been pushed to the moon, but I did think he contributed to the main event picture. His leaving doesn't help the company. I thought when performers did something wrong, they got a suspension first then fired but if he did something that went too far, I have no problem with them letting him go. TNA supposedly wants him, it might not be WWE, but it's still work.
If it isn't legit, it seems odd to use this ploy to work on a guy who is currently on a downward slide from main event level. This won't help him get more popularity or heat with the fans.
If it isn't legit, it seems odd to use this ploy to work on a guy who is currently on a downward slide from main event level. This won't help him get more popularity or heat with the fans.
Jack-Hammer
YOU WILL RESPECT MY AUTHORITAH!!!!
It's not WWE's responsibility to teach a "little kid", marky or otherwise, the differences between the reality of legitimately assaulting someone and a staged assault that's part of a television program. As unfashionable as it might seem in this day and age, it's the responsibility of a kid's parents in life to explain the differences between reality and fantasy. It's also not WWE's responsibility if someone in today's society, with access to detailed information on practically any subject imaginable, is foolish enough to believe that 99% of what they see take place on a professional wrestling program is completely legitimate.
So you feel that WWE should be held to a completely different standard than every other business out there just because its business includes fictional fights? That's complete, total, 100% bullshit because, again, it's not WWE's fault if there are people out there in this modern age who don't know that professional wrestling is staged. Also, this person Del Rio is said to have slapped, who Dave Meltzer is claiming as Cody Barbierri, identified as WWE's social media manager of live events, isn't an on-screen character or persona. He has nothing to do with the on-screen feuds, personalities, "fights" or "assaults" that take place as part of a WWE storyline. He's a behind the scenes guy with no connection to the wrestling aspect of WWE's product. By using your logic, it must be okay to pin a Hooters waitress against your table and feel her up. After all, a hot girl in a skimpy outfit should expect to have horny drunks smelling like chicken wings pawing all over her as an "occupational hazard."
Nothing half-assed about it. Del Rio, allegedly, tried to tattoo an imprint of his open hand across some guy's mug because he, allegedly, said something that Del Rio considered to have racist implications. If he did say something racist, then I at least understand Del Rio's motivation even if I don't agree with how he handled it.
The new report going around is that this Barbierri guy was eating a mean in catering and someone, the report doesn't specify who, asked him to "clean his plate." He allegedly joked that it was Del Rio's job to do that, which I suppose could be construed as racist by some in the sense that he's implying that it's the job of Hispanics to "clean" up. The report indicates that it wasn't Del Rio who said this because Del Rio was told about the comment at some point, who it was that allegedly told Del Rio isn't mentioned. Del Rio confronted Barbierri, at least that's who Dave Meltzer is saying it was, he didn't apologize and just smiled. Del Rio was fuming and slapped the guy. That's the latest thing I've read about it. IF, IF, IF, IF this is how everything in this whole situation went down, this guy did make a racist remark and there's genuinely someone that heard the remark, he should be fired as well.
Jonyboyuk2
Getting Noticed By Management
Nobody knows what was happening behind the scenes with this incident. However, ADR should have left WWE 2 years ago. His character was destroyed by John SUPER Cena in their 2011 feud. He won the largest Royal Rumble ever (40 particpants that year). Unfortunately, Edge was on the brink of retirement so the WWE likely sent Edge out at WM27 to win the World heavyweight title bout that under other circumnstance would probably have led to ADR winning. His career went downhill from there and his nonsense loss to John Cena later that year. He was active around the main event scene for the next 18 months on and off but his face turn was not built slowly - it was pushed fast. He bombed in the role.
ADR is a spectacular technical wrestler and reminds me of Rick Martel in his prime. He was wasted in the WWE. He would be better off in Mexico or Japan.
ADR is a spectacular technical wrestler and reminds me of Rick Martel in his prime. He was wasted in the WWE. He would be better off in Mexico or Japan.
flaircokenotstril
Dark Match Jobber
First time really browsing these forums and my honest first observation was just how much of a cunt you seem to be. I see you have a large post count, so I hope this isn't a trend. You need to chill out.
As far as ADR and this story, initially, because of the fashion in which this story has developed, I also considered that it could be a work. There's a lot of weird factors to consider--the twitter activity, and Triple H's vocalized hatred for the dirtsheets. I'd honestly hope at some point, whether it be with this situation, or somewhere down the line, these top wrestling companies start actually trolling the dirties to take back some kind of control and credibility, especially as far as the element of surprise it concerned.
All in all, ADR probably did something not truly worthy of termination, but he's not a solid draw and the company is back in WWF mode... World Wrestling Frugality. He's a causality. Good wrestler though. ¯\_(ツ
_/¯First time really browsing these forums and my honest first observation was just how much of a cunt you seem to be. I see you have a large post count, so I hope this isn't a trend. You need to chill out.
As far as ADR and this story, initially, because of the fashion in which this story has developed, I also considered that it could be a work. There's a lot of weird factors to consider--the twitter activity, and Triple H's vocalized hatred for the dirtsheets. I'd honestly hope at some point, whether it be with this situation, or somewhere down the line, these top wrestling companies start actually trolling the dirties to take back some kind of control and credibility, especially as far as the element of surprise it concerned.
All in all, ADR probably did something not truly worthy of termination, but he's not a solid draw and the company is back in WWF mode... World Wrestling Frugality. He's a causality. Good wrestler though. ¯\_(ツ
I'd like to welcome you to our forums
always nice to see new people around here.This could be a work, but it could be true. Face it we don't know yet. Not directed at you, just everyone in general
Del Rio was gonna leave when his contract expired, we all assume this as fact so him being fired for doing something hasty isn't too much a surprise.
But at the same point he hasn't had a story in months, maybe they're giving him one now. When Punk did the pipebomb was Johnny Ace on TV at that point? I could've sworn he wasn't. So WWE slips in a character and feeds us a bit of info knowing that casual fans don't care about Del Rio or technical wrestling, but us IWC fans care for technical prowess. So they slip in info for a bit until Del Rio shows up or the guy who made the racist comment shows up. Turns out he can wrestle or maybe not, maybe we get a new TV authority guy. "Best for business is the hispanics cleaning my damn plate!" I don't know but this very well could be a work. Triple H mentions the IWC on TV, so he knows we exist and who's to say he doesn't screw with us sometimes, for example Ziggler v Cesaro on Raw, two guys the IWC enjoy having a match, both are pretty much being screwed by the E and suddenly they're fighting.
Anyway back on subject, if it's true that sucks but it doesn't because he wanted to go away anyway
but if it's a work thank goodness because Del Rio needed a story bad. A guy can't get to main event level without a story. Here's hoping it's a work and we're gonna see a feud with racist undertones 
since when is calling someone a dishwasher fucking racist??? holy crap this just sickens me. i worked in the food business for too many years and the dishwasher is the lowest man on the totem pole. nothing racist about it everyone just wants to scream poor me or find some bs way to call something racist. so dishwasher exclusively relates to mexicans now huh? good thing the guy didnt call him a luchadore, holy shit now THATS racist, we all associate that with mexicans! lol...pathetic. if he called him a border jumping fruit picker you MIGHT have a case...but slapping someone for a dishwasher comment? fuck del rio id fire him too i wouldnt want someone who gets so easily butthurt on my roster.
cant stand this political correctness stuff. and by the way MEXICAN ISNT A FUCKING RACE. people never know how to use that sad little word.
cant stand this political correctness stuff. and by the way MEXICAN ISNT A FUCKING RACE. people never know how to use that sad little word.
THTRobtaylor
Once & Future Wrestlezone Columnist
Amazingly no one has picked up on one thing...and to be fair I only just thought of it and it kills any "work" side of things.
What happened 3 weeks ago?
One of the McMahons was "arrested" for slapping someone... of course that was a storyline but they showed consequences by slapping Steph in her fake cuffs etc... considering she is one of the owners of the company then of course if a worker actually does it for real then they HAVE to fire the guy... It would make them look pretty bad if the top woman of the company can get hauled off to "jail" for slapping someone but a man slapping another ends in nothing but a "slapped wrist".
Had they not done the angle with Steph, then ADR gets away with it...
What happened 3 weeks ago?
One of the McMahons was "arrested" for slapping someone... of course that was a storyline but they showed consequences by slapping Steph in her fake cuffs etc... considering she is one of the owners of the company then of course if a worker actually does it for real then they HAVE to fire the guy... It would make them look pretty bad if the top woman of the company can get hauled off to "jail" for slapping someone but a man slapping another ends in nothing but a "slapped wrist".
Had they not done the angle with Steph, then ADR gets away with it...
JoeFromTomsRiver
Championship Contender
Nobody picked up on it because there is no connection between a kayfabe slapping incident and real life one.
To think that what happened in a recent storyline affects how they react to a REAL life situation is absurd.
That only happens when it's the other way around. They've pulled the plug on storylines because of things that happened in real life. But business decisions are not being influenced by storylines.
NegativeFeedback
Mid-Card Championship Winner
No, but it's their job to fool them. Or at least that's what they keep trying to do. If the kid tries differentiating "Drake & Josh"'s fictional characters from the actors, they can try watching interviews and reading Twitter feeds. But when it comes to WWE wrestlers, they'll keep selling what's going on as if it was real. That's because WWE makes money by making it hard for kids to know what's real.
Yes. When a guy who fights for a living is on the clock during work hours, you don't go and try to incite a fight. That's just ridiculous. It should be in these guys' contracts that the company isn't liable for any interaction with the wrestlers outside the scripted program. If you don't want Alberto Del Rio to smack you across the jaw, don't give Alberto Del Rio a reason to smack you across the jaw.
If he doesn't *want* a connection to the wrestlers, he shouldn't be talking about a wrestler behind is back or otherwise. Like I said, it's basically an occupational hazard when you're surrounded by 70 guys who fight for a living. You don't just stand in front of a biker gang and start joking about how only a pussy would ride a motorcycle.
That comparison doesn't cut it. NO ONE at Hooters is meant to be sexually harassed. But if Hooters were also an escort service, she can't really complain about sexual harrassment if a john throws 50 bucks on her and asks for a blowjob. It would definitely an occupational hazard for a waitress to be confused for one of the girls.
I don't think smacking a guy across the face should go unpunished either, but I don't think it's a firing offense. If the rumors are true and this guy actually said something racist, both of them should be fined/punished/suspended/probation, but none of them should be fired. Things like this are about to happen in a company like WWE. They should definitely take action, but nothing so drastic. I bet that if WWE wasn't struggling to slash their budget, Del Rio would have never been fired, and this issue wouldn't even have made it on the internet.
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