A London Wrestlemania

[mcfly2012]

I know threads in the past about hosting a Wrestlemania in London. The arguments I have heard are time zones and how spoilers on the internet would ruin the results. Well if you are a hard-core of wrestling fan enough then you would wait to watch said ppv or any ppv for that matter and not search results on the internet would you? And talking about time differences why would that matter? The NFL hosts three games in London every year and the fans of the team's involved get to watch the games in the USA without problems. Plus I'm sure London would be the fastest selling Wrestlemania ever.

So with all what I've said. Why can't or shouldn't London host a Wrestlemania?

 

[PeterSellersSTL]

shouldn't America get something in exchange if we're giving you Wrestlemania and regular season NFL games?

 

[Soulblazed]

I know threads in the past about hosting a Wrestlemania in London. The arguments I have heard are time zones and how spoilers on the internet would ruin the results. Well if you are a hard-core of wrestling fan enough then you would wait to watch said ppv or any ppv for that matter and not search results on the internet would you? And talking about time differences why would that matter? The NFL hosts three games in London every year and the fans of the team's involved get to watch the games in the USA without problems. Plus I'm sure London would be the fastest selling Wrestlemania ever.

So with all what I've said. Why can't or shouldn't London host a Wrestlemania?

You posit a great point and I'm going to disagree with Peter about America deserving reciprocity from England if London gets a Wrestlemania...Personally, I'm tired of this bullshit excuse over "time-zone differences" cited by people..Since there's no more PPVs because now they're on the WWE Network, the "time-zone" argument is finally negated...

With that being stated, England's rabid fans would make for a spectacular Wrestlemania crowd(which you're most likely right in that it'd probably sell out in record time)..I watched Summerslam 1992(along with old WWF Coliseum videos when WWF went on their European tours) and a few of those One Night Only/Rebellion/Insurrextion PPVs WWE ran over in England..The crowd's worlds better than anywhere in the US, by far. Not ONLY should London get a Wrestlemania, it should ALSO get a Royal Rumble PPV in the future, too..It makes too much sense not to have a "Royalty" themed Royal Rumble in London. It'd also be a great way for Barrett to finally get over huge by winning The Royal Rumble match in London if that ever happened.

Besides England, I've always thought that WWE should run shows such as Summerslam, Wrestlemania, the Survivor Series, etc in Spain, France, Germany, Russia and Finland (along with a good amount of other countries). WWE should truly go places which they barely ever visit and finally give the fans in said countries televised shows such as the Survivor Series to attend.

 

[PeterSellersSTL]

I'm gonna say no to a Wrestlemania in London, it's too big of an event not to be held in the U.S.A. I can't think of a good reason why Wrestlemania shouldn't be held in the United States.

 

[Navi]

Wrestlemania's 6 and 18 weren't held in the US, they were here in Toronto. There is no good reason not to hold a Wrestlemania in another country every few years. If they had one in Britain it would be on the afternoon here. Big deal, lot's of sports happen during the day on a Sunday. NHL, MLB, NFL, Nascar all hold events on Sunday afternoons, so what's the problem with the WWE having a Wrestlemania at that time? None that I can see.

 

[PeterSellersSTL]

any wrestlemania london (or toronto) gets is a Wrestlemania the United States of America doesn't get. Professional Wrestling, sports entertainment whatever you wanna call it was built in America. Cities count on those huge tourism dollars, they bid on Wrestlemanias. It's one of the biggest entertainment events of the year and to not have it in the USA isn't right.

London doesn't need and doesn't deserve Wrestlemania. Plenty of good cities here that haven't even gotten one yet. And what self-respecting wrestler wants to go to London and have the smark capital of europe mock their work? Watch how they ruin the product Monday.

 

[Navi]

any wrestlemania london (or toronto) gets is a Wrestlemania the United States of America doesn't get. Professional Wrestling, sports entertainment whatever you wanna call it was built in America. Cities count on those huge tourism dollars, they bid on Wrestlemanias. It's one of the biggest entertainment events of the year and to not have it in the USA isn't right.

London doesn't need and doesn't deserve Wrestlemania. Plenty of good cities here that haven't even gotten one yet. And what self-respecting wrestler wants to go to London and have the smark capital of europe mock their work? Watch how they ruin the product Monday.

There have been 31 Wrestlemania's, only two were held outside of the US. You have basically had all of them. What fucking more do you want? I have news for you, US fans are the only wrestling fans in the world even though you seem to think so.

 

[PeterSellersSTL]

America did the heavy lifting and supported the WWE for many a decade now. America. The USA. Not London. We're a big country, a lot of cities to get around to, what has London given us back? Did we get the EPL championship?

Toronto got two Wrestlemanias two, so I don't wanna hear any sour grapes from you lady.

 

[Navi]

And quite honestly if the rest of the world outside the US stopped supporting the WWE tomorrow, there wouldn't be a WWE for you to do the heavy lifting on. England, India, Canada and a whole host of other countries support it just as much as the US does collectively. They pay the money, and you get the PPV's. Not quite fair is it.

 

[PeterSellersSTL]

If they want to go to the PPVs they can buy a ticket, same as anyone else. And the WWE visits these countries on tours all the time. If they want a PPV let them have battleground and fastlane, I'm not going to either one.

 

[JoeyJoeJoe]

America did the heavy lifting and supported the WWE for many a decade now. America. The USA. Not London. We're a big country, a lot of cities to get around to, what has London given us back? Did we get the EPL championship?

Toronto got two Wrestlemanias two, so I don't wanna hear any sour grapes from you lady.

British money spends for the WWE just as well as American money. I'm not sure what "heavy lifting" has to do with anything either. This isn't a mutual admiration society: it's a business and if the WWE thinks they can get a lot of money from Europe, and boost receipts there, they'd do so. I think the biggest issue would be that transportation costs would be higher for all of the equipment, and that prevents a London WM from happening rather than some misguided idea that the WWE owes it to the U.S.

 

[PeterSellersSTL]

british money doesn't spend as much money as american money. America does the heavy lifting, has done the heavy lifting and will continue to do the heavy lifting.

WWE and Wrestlemania are Americana and London can get to the back of the line. Maybe after Wrestlemania 50 they can host one. Whiny fucking entitled brits.

Nobody wants to order wrestlemania to hear 70,000 people chanting "We are awesome" "randy savage" and whatever other obnoxious shit you brought stateside. Or fandangoing. God no.

go support your own Professional Wrestling company, you all hate the WWE anyway.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_professional_wrestling_promotions#United_Kingdom

 

[I Heart Cena]

These Brits are just jealous that we in the usa do everything better. Better wrestling, better sports, movies and music. Stop trying to latch onto our stuff, Brits. WWE is a usa company, not UK. Show your appreciation because we let you enjoy our product. Without us, you'd have nothing.

imagine a UKmania wrestling event, lol. Halftime tea party. They'd call the streak 21-nil. Singing YNWA instead of Cena Sucks. The titantron on the wrong side of the stadium.

WrestleMania will NEVER be in London. Ever. And that is how it should be. Stick to your own stuff, we never try to latch on to yall. Stop coattailing us.

 

[Soulblazed]

Damn, Peter...Ya know, you've gotta keep things in perspective here instead of going on your "Murica is #1" rant..Navi brought up a damn good point about other countries such as England, Canada and India being HUGE markets for the WWE. Not only that, the beginnings of pro wrestling started in France in the 1830s followed by America, England, Australia and Mexico with Japan catching up in the mid 20th century..

France back in the 1830s really catalyzed the birth of pro wrestling with wrestlers/strongmen going from town to town and challenging the citizens to knock them down for 500 Francs.

Here's a link to what I'm talking about-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_professional_wrestling

By the way, I hate Cena, the US damn certainly ain't #1 in everything...You brought up sports...For example, as proud as America is of American football, there'd be no American football without rugby. Reason being-American football was derived from rugby(which in my opinion is a far more entertaining, fast-paced and intense sport than American football is), to begin with.

 

[MC_Live]

So, going away from the whole America is number one thing...

I think WrestleMania in London would be fantastic. The crowds over there certainly would accommodate such a big event. However, I don't think it's a national pride thing. Or even a strictly money thing. I think a big part of it is a media thing.

The US is without a doubt the biggest media market in the world. American media influences everything, everywhere. I think American media has more of a presence in Britain, than British media has in the United States. There is just no way that WWE would hold WrestleMania in London. The time difference is crazy. The big media is here in the US. And for such a gigantic event, you better believe it has to happen in prime time here in America.

Would the hardcore fans watch WrestleMania live from London? A good number of them would. But what about the casual fans? I don't think that the amount of money to be made hosting Mania in London would be enough to offset the money lost by airing WrestleMania so early in America, and losing all of those casual fans. You mentioned the NFL games from London. Those air at about 11 am eastern time, which is 8 am pacific. There is no way that WWE would hold WrestleMania at 11ET/8PT. The media markets wouldn't be working full blast on it, and most of the fans that would watch it at a normal time in America, would probably skip it. I think that's the big problem.

Besides, all of WWE's executives are American. And as much as it isn't that big of a national pride issue, people like Vince, Triple H, Stephanie, and whoever else is in charge are going to think America first. Especially since American cities bid on Mania. When London makes a bid, then maybe we'll talk.

 

[Soulblazed]

So, going away from the whole America is number one thing...

I think WrestleMania in London would be fantastic. The crowds over there certainly would accommodate such a big event. However, I don't think it's a national pride thing. Or even a strictly money thing. I think a big part of it is a media thing.

The US is without a doubt the biggest media market in the world. American media influences everything, everywhere. I think American media has more of a presence in Britain, than British media has in the United States. There is just no way that WWE would hold WrestleMania in London. The time difference is crazy. The big media is here in the US. And for such a gigantic event, you better believe it has to happen in prime time here in America.

Would the hardcore fans watch WrestleMania live from London? A good number of them would. But what about the casual fans? I don't think that the amount of money to be made hosting Mania in London would be enough to offset the money lost by airing WrestleMania so early in America, and losing all of those casual fans. You mentioned the NFL games from London. Those air at about 11 am eastern time, which is 8 am pacific. There is no way that WWE would hold WrestleMania at 11ET/8PT. The media markets wouldn't be working full blast on it, and most of the fans that would watch it at a normal time in America, would probably skip it. I think that's the big problem.

Besides, all of WWE's executives are American. And as much as it isn't that big of a national pride issue, people like Vince, Triple H, Stephanie, and whoever else is in charge are going to think America first. Especially since American cities bid on Mania. When London makes a bid, then maybe we'll talk.

Interesting that you bring the media up. You got a point about media coverage of Wrestlemania if it were held in London. You also bring up how WWE's executives are American and that'd make them think of American cities first instead of foreign cities as far as bidding for Wrestlemania goes. I see where you're coming from and you just might be right on that..

Though nonetheless, I still think that Wrestlemania could be held in London within a decade

 

[PeterSellersSTL]

Damn, Peter...Ya know, you've gotta keep things in perspective here instead of going on your "Murica is #1" rant..Navi brought up a damn good point about other countries such as England, Canada and India being HUGE markets for the WWE. Not only that, the beginnings of pro wrestling started in France in the 1830s followed by America, England, Australia and Mexico with Japan catching up in the mid 20th century..

France back in the 1830s really catalyzed the birth of pro wrestling with wrestlers/strongmen going from town to town and challenging the citizens to knock them down for 500 Francs.

Here's a link to what I'm talking about-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_professional_wrestling

By the way, I hate Cena, the US damn certainly ain't #1 in everything...You brought up sports...For example, as proud as America is of American football, there'd be no American football without rugby. Reason being-American football was derived from rugby(which in my opinion is a far more entertaining, fast-paced and intense sport than American football is), to begin with.

Ok first of all, "Murica"? Just don't. It's America...America. Have some damn respect for your own country, son.

Second of all America is the largest market for the WWE, America is the number one market. MC_Live did a great job of explaining why you don't take the biggest event of the year away from the media capital of the world. I don't want to watch a Wrestlemania pre-show at 10 in the morning.

Lastly, just because professional wrestling has some origins in France doesn't mean France is entitled to America's Wrestling Promotion. If there's a void for professional wrestling in London, let London fill it on their own. They have every resource with which to do it just the same as the United States of America did. The WWE doesn't owe them a Wrestlemania.

India has is getting its own version of Game of Thrones, London can throw its own premier wrestling event. If it's WWE they want then live tours will just have to suffice.

 

[PeterSellersSTL]

America grabbed the brass ring, we honed and nurtured and grew OUR wrestling industry. Vaudeville acts, territories, through the advent of radio then television and through the consolidation of national territories, then monday night wars, and America continues to grow ITS wrestling industry with the WWE Network.

What has france done since the 1830s? The UK? Canada? Japan doesn't whine about hosting a Wrestlemania and why? Because they tended to their own garden and now you have promotions like NJPW.

Tell the Brits to "piss off mate" and go create NUKPW.

 

[PeterSellersSTL]

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Now how is it Japan can create Wrestle Kingdom 9 and the UK can't do something at this scale?

If you're a wrestling fan, why the hell aren't you pushing for more wrestling, more promotions?

 

[PeterSellersSTL]

https://www.facebook.com/UnitedKindomProWrestling

There it is United Kingdom Pro Wrestling (dumb brits can't even spell Kingdom right but trust the link works).

Go support UKPW.

Mexico has no problem sustaining the world's oldest and longest running wrestling promotion Consejo Mundial de Lucha Libre.

Why can't London and the UK get its act together? You do a great job with futbol. America didn't whine about getting EPL regular season games, they created the MLS instead.

But no you whiny fucking pale ass Brits want to put your grubby hands on our WWE. Get lost! You're not getting a Wrestlemania!

 

[OYDK]

America grabbed the brass ring, we honed and nurtured and grew OUR wrestling industry. Vaudeville acts, territories, through the advent of radio then television and through the consolidation of national territories, then monday night wars, and America continues to grow ITS wrestling industry with the WWE Network.

What has france done since the 1830s? The UK? Canada? Japan doesn't whine about hosting a Wrestlemania and why? Because they tended to their own garden and now you have promotions like NJPW.

Tell the Brits to "piss off mate" and go create NUKPW.

Enough with the nationalistic fervor. You sound like an uneducated redneck... one would think you have personal roots in the wrestling business, but I'm sure this all has to do with your blind love for "Murica". This has nothing to do with the UK "deserving" a PPV (as if they don't "deserve" to watch a wrestling event...), the WWE is a global corporation and if the benefits outweighed the consequences, bet your ass that WWE would host a Summerslam or Rumble in Europe. As others have said though, time zones, media interest, and ratings make it very risky for WWE to host one of their top-drawing events in the UK, especially Wrestlemania, but to assume that "WWE is American so it's OURS" is just plain infantile and ignorant.

You had nothing to do with the WWE. Vince Mcmahon may be American, but he's catered to a global market and built his industry off of a WORLDWIDE FANBASE, not just the American. You think WWE would be half as big it is today without the Canadian, English, Indian, Asian fans carrying them through the tough times? Plus, international fans are much more appreciative of the product than Americans are today... they're not dumb enough to watch a product that they absolutely loathe.

All in all, the UK may very well get a Wrestlemania eventually, but it won't be until the WWE is 100% comfortable with hosting it there.

 

[Soulblazed]

Peter, you gotta quit with your ranting..First off, don't tell me to "have respect for my country". I'm not patriotic and never saw any reason to blindly "follow" any country, the US or otherwise.

Second off, France has been up to a lot since the 1830s, now that you mention it..Here's a link to 5(there's 6 promotions listed, though one promotion folded, the other 5 are still active) wrestling promotions currently in France at the moment.

http://prowrestling.wikia.com/wiki/Category:French_wrestling_promotions

Still, though..With you going on and on about how no-one outside of Murica, especially London of all places deserves a Wrestlemania is asinine..Your assertions about how other countries should just settle for live event house shows and be content with that made me laugh out loud(thanks for giving me an unexpected laugh, I needed that). Vince went on record saying that WWE is a global entity multiple times, hence why would a global entity purposely restrict itself to only doing its biggest shows within Murica?

Also, you asked me why I don't talk about smaller wrestling companies? The reason why I'm not mentioning any smaller companies is because this thread is about Wrestlemania going to another country, not smaller wrestling companies(which I do like plenty more than I like the WWE..Such as Lucha Underground, AAA, ICW, NJPW, ROH, plus others).

By the way, OHHHYOUDIDNTKNOW, you have good points..International fans are way more appreciative of the WWE than US fans are..Whenever I went to a Wrestlemania and talked to the fans, the foreign fans were always more humble and mature to talk to.

 

[fouldsy91]

America grabbed the brass ring, we honed and nurtured and grew OUR wrestling industry. Vaudeville acts, territories, through the advent of radio then television and through the consolidation of national territories, then monday night wars, and America continues to grow ITS wrestling industry with the WWE Network.

WWE might be primarily American, but would they be making anywhere near as much money if it was just in America? The answer is no. The WWE Network had under 1 million subscribers before it was released in the UK 3 months ago, now they have over 1.3 million...says it all.

Mexico has no problem sustaining the world's oldest and longest running wrestling promotion Consejo Mundial de Lucha Libre.

They have a totally different style of wrestling over there so of course they can still stay competitive, it was before my time but British Wrestling used to be shown every Saturday afternoon over here, then a lot of people went to America instead as it was worth more money and they were still getting British exposure, they wouldn't get exposure anywhere else if they stated in the UK.

Why can't London and the UK get its act together? You do a great job with futbol. America didn't whine about getting EPL regular season games, they created the MLS instead.

One of the most stupid points I've ever seen. The first W in WWE stands for "World", the E in EPL stands for "English" do you follow? Idiot.

But no you whiny fucking pale ass Brits want to put your grubby hands on our WWE. Get lost! You're not getting a Wrestlemania!

Coming from the person who has his username after an actor lol. Not everyone in Britain is stereotyped in this way, also like to mention the "smark capital", no London is not the smark capital of Europe, as the chants you are referring too happened in Liverpool and Manchester. I bet you're just a fat loser who thinks America is the be all and end all of the world, get a fucking grip of your life.

 

[Dilligaf]

First of all,

Some of you US users, PLEASE.....stop the hatred of the UK.

Im from the UK & ive been to America twice & I loved both times I went over.

All the people I met had nothing but respect of the fact I was from UK (with my accent) & TBH I respect the hell out of the US.

Also, when Lillian Garcia sang the US national anthem at WM28, I stood up in respect.

If it wern't for us "Brits" the WWE Network would never have shot up from 700k to 1M users either......

Now, back to the topic in hand.

If London were to hold a Wrestlemania it would no doubt be at Wembley & it would sell out & the crowd would be OTT with excitement & it would be awesome.

I went to the live event last night in Birmingham & it was almost a full arena & the crowd was loud & proud to be there (shame security would let me take my undisputed title belt inside) but thats another matter.

Yes it would cost an immense amount of money for WWE (Logistically) to host a wrestlemania in the UK, but it would be well worth it.

Will we ever see a WM on London? I very much doubt it, but we can all dream.

 

[rbv13]

Serious question on the subject that I can’t recall being mentioned in previous discussions about a foreign based WM. Could there be concern over the number of US fans that would travel outside the States to attend the event? With that could there be concern with the coverage they would lose in their home base of operation? While this is just an assumption I have a strong feeling very few US fans would care to make the trip.