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John Cena's become one of the oddest entities in the history of wrestling. He's done some sort of weird triple turn where he went from liked to hated, to liked because he's hated. Whatever your opinion, they've painted themselves into a corner. Now they have to be stubborn and stick to their decision just to justify their initial stubborness.

What if, instead of turning typical heel way too late or sticking with what he's doing, he turned it up. Way up. I'd love it if he actually played up the "role model" gimmick to the max. He should literally kiss babies and help old people cross the street. He could do PSA's like GI Joe about how kids shouldn't play with matches or talk to strangers. He'd acknowlege he's invincible and beat up five guys a week all by himself while grinning and eating a popsicle. People would eat it up. It'd be a way to stick to their guns while giving him a fresh coat of paint.
 
PSA's like rhodes? It been done, but that would just make him even more the same character. It would just further solidify him as a heel to some and a face to others.
 
How about just keep Cena the way he is, loved by half hated by the other, tweak his character here and there with his battle raps to show and edgy side but also have him use heelish tactics now and again like hitting someone from behind or calling out another face.

See people clamour for the attitude era to be brought back and to some degree I'd like to see some of the attitude era traits brought back but the one thing people miss is that the attitude era wasn't about good guy vs bad guy is was characters unique to a certain wrestler and they could be heel or face it simply didn't matter, it wasn't black or white it was just different shades of grey and that is what we need in today’s product, characters and different shades of grey.
 
See people clamour for the attitude era to be brought back and to some degree I'd like to see some of the attitude era traits brought back but the one thing people miss is that the attitude era wasn't about good guy vs bad guy is was characters unique to a certain wrestler and they could be heel or face it simply didn't matter, it wasn't black or white it was just different shades of grey and that is what we need in today’s product, characters and different shades of grey.

Uhhhhh.... No. Attitude era was completely bad guy vs. good guy. Some of the bad guys built their character, got over and got cheered (just like some bad guys today, Cody Rhodes for example), but it was still plain black & white, good against evil. Undertaker vs. Austin. Austin vs. McMahon. Rock vs. Mankind. Triple H vs. Mankind. DX vs. Corporation. Austin vs. DX. It was all very clear-cut. Wrestling has always been about a basic good guy vs. bad guy scheme and that's never changed, there was no difference in the Attitude era.

id rather cena move to smackdown so the good wrestlers can actually help raw

Cena's one of the good wrestlers actually helping Raw.
 
They did the campy promos with Kurt Angle as well, when he would go around promoting abstinance and he promoted himself as a role model. They build him up as the all-around good guy. The difference is, Kurt Angle has the talent and ability to be multi-dimension, and be greatly successful in portraying cometic, cheesy, serious, and intimidating personalities.

John Cena has zero personality and acting skills... proven over and over in his horrible movies.

If that is the direction of his heel turn, i would be greatly disappointed. Though i don't think it's a horrible idea to rehash for someone else, like Jack Swagger.
 
John Cena has zero personality and acting skills... proven over and over in his horrible movies.

Come on. Say what you want about his wrestling ability, or his character, but the guy is one of the most comfortable people ever on the mic and has more personality than most. Again, it's not a personality that I particularly love, but it's better than almost everyone else's bland as hell promos (coughRandyOrtoncough).
 
i've given up on talking about his heel turn or even just some sort of turn, ive realized that they wont turn him heel unless every week he gets booed badly which i dont see happening, altho last night punk got a bigger pop then he did on raw but if its anyone who could make the heel turn its no one other then CM punk
 
How about he continue to do exactly what he's been doing for say the last 5 years, the thing thats been making the WWE Money, that thing that keeps people tuning in, that thing that keeps people buying his merch, that thing that only John Cena's been able to do.

No one on these forums can provide any reasonable storyline or character change for Cena, because there isn't one. If his current character wasn't working in the WWE, he wouldn't be over with the crowd, his items wouldn't sell, he would Main Event every PPV, he wouldn't be involved in every major angle in the WWE.

There may be thousands upon thousands of people who hate John Cena, they hate his character, they hate his personality, that hate some part of him because they can't change it. Guess what, what you hate obviously doesn't matter to him, to Vince, and to his MILLIONS of fans, because he is still and has been at the top for 5+ years.

Heres what everyone should do, rather than trying to change Cena from what he is, accept him for what hes done for the business, and move the fuck on.
 
he looks good to me the way he is. agreed, sometimes they just do too much with him (like making him win the title every now and then, or not making him lose clean), but we simply cannot ignore the fact that it has paid off so far. Now that children have started watching the show, the product is to be designed that way as well. Consider this, We would want our children to learn values like not giving up, to follow their dreams, not back down etc. amongst others, not to use foul language, or go around showing middle finger to every alternate person. If he was to go to TNA, I would recommend a different character, but for WWE, its all cool.
 
How about he continue to do exactly what he's been doing for say the last 5 years, the thing thats been making the WWE Money,

Buyrates are in the toilet. Punk outsells him in merchandise.

that thing that keeps people tuning in,


2.9 anyone?

that thing that keeps people buying his merch, that thing that only John Cena's been able to do.

CM Punk would like to have a word with you when you get a chance.


No one on these forums can provide any reasonable storyline or character change for Cena, because there isn't one.

don't be a quitter

If his current character wasn't working in the WWE, he wouldn't be over with the crowd,

"Cena sucks, Cena sucks!"


There may be thousands upon thousands of people who hate John Cena, they hate his character, they hate his personality, that hate some part of him because they can't change it.

They hate it because they find it corny and are tired of it. Also because they can't change it.

Guess what, what you hate obviously doesn't matter to him, to Vince, and to his MILLIONS of fans, because he is still and has been at the top for 5+ years.

To quote CM PUnk, Vince McMahon is a millionaire that could be a billionaire if only he would take some sound advice that didn't match his own opinion once in a while. John Cena is the poster boy for 2.9's. Freshen him up some. Why not?

Heres what everyone should do, rather than trying to change Cena from what he is, accept him for what hes done for the business, and move the fuck on.

I don't have to accept a damn thing. They can ignore the ratings, the buyrates, and the crowd begging to see something different. When the ratings finally nosedive off a canyon, they WILL change John Cena.

I'm just presenting a way to do it.
 
Buyrates are in the toilet. Punk outsells him in merchandise.




2.9 anyone?



CM Punk would like to have a word with you when you get a chance.




don't be a quitter



"Cena sucks, Cena sucks!"




They hate it because they find it corny and are tired of it. Also because they can't change it.



To quote CM PUnk, Vince McMahon is a millionaire that could be a billionaire if only he would take some sound advice that didn't match his own opinion once in a while. John Cena is the poster boy for 2.9's. Freshen him up some. Why not?



I don't have to accept a damn thing. They can ignore the ratings, the buyrates, and the crowd begging to see something different. When the ratings finally nosedive off a canyon, they WILL change John Cena.

I'm just presenting a way to do it.

Buyrates are in the toilet, could it be because PPVs run $50-$60, and the country is in a recession? No that couldn't be it at all

2.9, its Football Season and the current events in the WWE have been lackluster. Last two people I saw in the ring last night were CM Punk and Triple H, could the two of them involved in a story line also have something to do with tanked ratings?

Punk is currently outselling Cena in merchandise, but how long will that trend hold up? Cena's was at the top in merchandise sales for how long? When Punk beats that record then you can run your mouth.

Cena gets a 50/50 reaction from the live audience, and has been for quite some time. Oh yeah guess who's in the Main Event at the next PPV, none other than John Cena. Strange how he's named number one contender for the title without having to actually do anything. Probably has something to do with his name, selling PPVs.

Again, get over it. He doesn't need to change because he's still more over than anyone else in professional wrestling.

Vince is a millionaire, does anyone that posts here make anything close to 100k a year? Doubtful, so again nothing you suggest will matter, ever.

By watching Raw, Smackdown, NXT, Superstars or any WWE PPV your'e accepting the way things are within the WWE. So again GET OVER IT.
 
John Cena's become one of the oddest entities in the history of wrestling. He's done some sort of weird triple turn where he went from liked to hated, to liked because he's hated. Whatever your opinion, they've painted themselves into a corner. Now they have to be stubborn and stick to their decision just to justify their initial stubborness.

What if, instead of turning typical heel way too late or sticking with what he's doing, he turned it up. Way up. I'd love it if he actually played up the "role model" gimmick to the max. He should literally kiss babies and help old people cross the street. He could do PSA's like GI Joe about how kids shouldn't play with matches or talk to strangers. He'd acknowlege he's invincible and beat up five guys a week all by himself while grinning and eating a popsicle. People would eat it up. It'd be a way to stick to their guns while giving him a fresh coat of paint.

So basically your suggesting that Cena turn into Simon Dean? Naw, I get what your saying and I would personally find it entertaining. I wonder if the CeNation would be able to read between the lines.
 
"Originally Posted by multiverseman.com View Post
John Cena's become one of the oddest entities in the history of wrestling. He's done some sort of weird triple turn where he went from liked to hated, to liked because he's hated. Whatever your opinion, they've painted themselves into a corner. Now they have to be stubborn and stick to their decision just to justify their initial stubborness.

What if, instead of turning typical heel way too late or sticking with what he's doing, he turned it up. Way up. I'd love it if he actually played up the "role model" gimmick to the max. He should literally kiss babies and help old people cross the street. He could do PSA's like GI Joe about how kids shouldn't play with matches or talk to strangers. He'd acknowlege he's invincible and beat up five guys a week all by himself while grinning and eating a popsicle. People would eat it up. It'd be a way to stick to their guns while giving him a fresh coat of paint."

That actually is not a bad idea. Give him the treatment Hulk Hogan got, but amplify it more. I don't watch current WWE, but did view some matches from Summerslam and from the show about the cell following it shortly, so from what I saw, he did get pretty decent reactions from the crowds. Even the people who booed him did it with passion and a certain involvement of care or effects from that character, and not in a way to act as if he had no business being in matches. It would be pretty funny to sarcastically have him doing those things, but I noticed that in this role he is in now, he does help opponents look like they can hang with him in the ring, so there is not much to complain about, other than when he talks.
 
cena is good on the mic but he's to cheesy i mean seriously i cant even watch his promo with out feeling ashamed of myself that im watching this crap! and yes cena is selling merch but punk is selling more and brings more ratings and his accepted by the male fans and most of the little jimmys and he's a better wrestler and he's better on the mic

punk is just better then cena
 
Well, I've been reading this forum for months, but today i woke up and thought: "Well, i think it's time to participate!". And what better way than a John Cena's thread.

I follow the WWE for the last 11 years and I've seen a lot. We're all here talking about wrestling, expressing our points of view through facebook, tweeter, this forum, etc. 10 years ago, I was talking with my friend at school about "last night's rock bottom". Get the difference? Globalization. In our new culture, there are no "hidden storylines", "no surprises", "no OMG moments" anymore. We absorb hundreds of informations per seconds. Just like that.

So... Vince Mcmahon needs to survive in this new envinronment. When i say "survive" I'm not saying that Vince is going to live under the bridge if his Top Face gets injured. But he needs to present results to the board, get stocks high and lots of merchandise getting sold.

So... He maintains himself loyal to the only formula that can make this whole industry profitable: John Cena.

The thing is: WWE is a entertainment company. Therefore they need to discover a "formula" in which the can rely on, to make same good money. Just like cinema. You need to "feel" your target people, determine what they want to see and offer them your product. And the so called "target people" are children. Just like a new toy, children beg for John Cena merchandise, beg for live events to see their favorite hero, beg for PPV in which they can see him overcome all the odds. Hell, I do not have any children, but if I had, I will be more than happy to spend 1/3 of my salary in it, just to see them happy.

And that's Vince's gold mine. Children. I repeat. Children. John Cena do not need to kiss babies or help the cat in the tree. He just needs to say: "I never give up!!", as loud as he can. All the children will fall for his attitude/charisma (you name it) and buy the latest wrist band and/or t-shirt.

Besides the fact that his in ring skills are very limited, most of the critics I've been seeing around here are against the man. Please my friends, you may not like Tony Soprano for killing everyone who owes him money, but you don't criticize James Gandolfini, don't you? Take your aim at WWE creative team for making the WWE title to jump around so many times or to not give enough time to Del Rio to be a strong heel or by not explaining the "reborn and fall" of Kevin Nash in a month...

I don't think its John Cena who needs a change. If think it's the WWE's product. But if they turn him heel, i put my money he's going to be great.
 
I actually like this idea. Honestly, most threads with "John Cena" in the title make me want to puke, not necause of Cena but because of some of the udderly ridiculous criticisms and free flowing hatreds aimed his way. This kinda reminds me of Cactus Jack in his last days in ECW. He did hes best to put over the comapny and the hardcore wrestling style, but did it in such a milk and cookies way that the fans HATED him. It just seems like it would be such a huge FU (pun most certainly intended) to the WWE Universe for him to come out as the corniest thing this side of Dude Love.

Two Mick Foley references in one post...YESSS!!!
 
I don't think that is a very good idea. It would only make Cena haters hate him more, plus it could annoy his loyal supporters as well. I am old enough to remember the days when just about every cartoon had a "moral of the day" type mesage after the actual episode to help show kids what good they can do in their community or to not do drugs, etc. Things like that often iritated my peers to no end. I am one of the few in my generation that those public service announcements worked on. Most hated them and ignored them due to annoyance. This idea sounds more like an idea to get a new heel over because it would annoy fans rather than generate support. It would do Cena no good. Give it to someone like Ted Dibiase and watch the heel heat grow.
 
Uhhhhh.... No. Attitude era was completely bad guy vs. good guy. Some of the bad guys built their character, got over and got cheered (just like some bad guys today, Cody Rhodes for example), but it was still plain black & white, good against evil. Undertaker vs. Austin. Austin vs. McMahon. Rock vs. Mankind. Triple H vs. Mankind. DX vs. Corporation. Austin vs. DX. It was all very clear-cut. Wrestling has always been about a basic good guy vs. bad guy scheme and that's never changed, there was no difference in the Attitude era.

Obviously you can't remember the Attitude Era you're clearly remembering the main feuds, but guys like erm AUSTIN, HHH and Rock were core heel guys yet fans cheered for them... Mankind was a heel.. oh yea and the fans cheered him turned him heel. hell even Michael landsburg on off the record said it in late 1997 it's not the good guy vs bad guy anymore.
 
I like Cena the way he is right now. I think hes actually evolved a bit from the last couple of "SuperCena" years. Hes becoming more realistic and I think doing stupid PSA's or random good deeds would only make him look like a joke rather than an actual hero.
 
I am honestly stumped with what is gonna happen with Cena after his feud with The Rock... is his character just gonna remain the same way?


Cena vs *insert generic heel*

I was hoping that MAYBE he'd turn heel, but sadly i have given up hope that he'll ever turn heel. It will be Cena being shoved down out throats for another 5 yrs winning his 125th WWE title :banghead:

I'd like to see some change to his character, i mean COME on. The kids and women must be tired of seeing the same old shit every single week too.


He is not the draw he once was, his segments tend to lose a lot of viewers, his merch is not number one anymore since CM Punk's is.
I'd like for the WWE to give CM Punk the ball and just run with it. Cena's been on top for over 6 years, that is more than a lot of the past guys.
 
I actually like the original idea. As long as its not overly cheesy, I think it could work. But the problem is that they would have to abandon his edgy streak that he has (which I imagine was done to get the IWC fans behind him, but just made the kids love him that much more).

But the saying rings true, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. The problem with buyrates and viewership isn't Cena - hell, the IWC keeps watching the product regardless of Cena (deep down the IWC appreciates and respects him, they just love to hate him). The problem is the writers and poor storylines. Fix that and leave Cena as is.
 
Why do people want to change him? He's consistently the most over guy on the roster. he gets reactions from everyone, the people who boo him love to boo him or they wouldn't watch, wouldn't go to shows, and wouldn't want him to turn heel (which would make him cool to like).

He does great at what he does. If they turn the volume up, then it would get annoying to the general audience and become cool to the smarks.

No matter what he does, he's going to get a split reaction and he works it. It's fine. You wouldn't say "you know, that Dodge Viper is a fast car, let's rebuild it" would you?

Buyrates are in the toilet. Punk outsells him in merchandise.




2.9 anyone?



CM Punk would like to have a word with you when you get a chance.




don't be a quitter



"Cena sucks, Cena sucks!"




They hate it because they find it corny and are tired of it. Also because they can't change it.



To quote CM PUnk, Vince McMahon is a millionaire that could be a billionaire if only he would take some sound advice that didn't match his own opinion once in a while. John Cena is the poster boy for 2.9's. Freshen him up some. Why not?



I don't have to accept a damn thing. They can ignore the ratings, the buyrates, and the crowd begging to see something different. When the ratings finally nosedive off a canyon, they WILL change John Cena.

I'm just presenting a way to do it.

You're a fucking moron for saying ratings are in the toilet. I don't mean that as an insult, I mean it as a perfect abjective. They are STILL always near the top in their timeslot. The number doesn't matter. If you even consider comparing today's ratings to 10 year ago, blow what little brains you have in your head out now because you don't use them. read my sig. It makes NO SENSE for them to be the same. There are more options, market share is divided up more. Also, Punk outsold him in merch.....once. Punk has been hot for 3 months, let's see if he can do it for years at a time. This is coming from someone who knew of Punk BEFORE ROH.

Same thing with PPV buys. Why pay for it when you can watch for free? the only people who still buy PPVs, have a fairly inelastic demand and so the difference between 30 dollar and 60 isn't much to them, so WWE charges 60.

Do you not understand economics or business or even fucking logic? People who stream PPVs aren't going to stop watching for FREE just because the price is lowerd and you can only lower the price so much before it's not profitable.

CM Punk says John Cena is a great wrestler and would probably admit that feuding with John Cena is a huge part as to why Punk is as over as he is now. Punk has also been hot for about 3 months, Cena has been hot for about 8 years. Get your mouth off Punk's dick and think objectively and not like a smark.

Cena sucks chants. that's awesome, better than what John *flushes toilet* Morrison gets.

Here are the facts with cena. He draws a lot and he sells a lot of merch and people make a lot of noise for him.
So either the people who boo him love to boo him or they aren't as big of a segment as it seems and don't matter.

If smarks were so smart, they wouldn't watch cena's segment, they wouldn't make noise when he came out. they aren't though, they are worked into an emotional response just like anyone else.

Are you such a fucking mark that you quoted a PROMO? O wait, it was TEH SHOOTZ. So, CM Punk, the same CM Punk who was acting buddy buddy with HHH on Raw, the same CM Punk who, if you ever talked to him or watched on of his shoot or thought critically LOVES to work people and is smart (knowing his audience is smarks, what is he going to "shoot" about?), is also CM Punk who feels the exact way the IWC feels? That's bullshit. Punk is smart, he might have some of those feelings, but Punk also knows that saying stuff that the IWC feels would stir up shit.

They aren't ignoring the ratings, you are. You are looking at shit that doesn't matter. They are looking at the numbers realistically and from a modern perspective. 2.9 isn't bad. Name another weekly TV show that runs year-round and has for years and ALWAYS ranks in the top of their timeslot. there isn't one. You are a moron because you compare 2.9 in 2011 to 6.0 in 1999. Anyone who compares any hard business numbers from 10 years apart without adjusting for changes in the market needs to have their head examined. They aren't ignoring the buyrate, that's why they increased the price, because they realize that the cheaper buyers won't buy no matter what because free streaming is cheaper than anything they can produce. they aren't ignoring the audience because they are smarter than you and they realize that the reaction Cena gets, when people boo him with smiles on their face and continue to talk about him, boo him, show up to shows, and watch his segments, they realize that people LOVE to BOO him.

This isn't 2005 anymore. I believe it was all the way back in 2008 when bryan alvarez, one of the head smarks said "if you don't think John Cena is a good wrestler, you lose all credibility". Here it is 2011 and you're still spewing out the same bullshit IWC response? Get with the times and open your eyes.

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/20...jersey-shore-top-weekly-cable-viewing/106738/
O look, raw is 3rd on monday behind 2 non-recurring events (monday night football isn't yearly and a Yankee playoff game).


And really, if we're being serious. Even dumber than looking at the number, is using cable ratings in general as a gauge. I don't know of anyone except college students in apartment who have cable anymore. A lot of those don't even have cable, they're like me and watch everything online. So instead of using an outdated measure, why don't you count up the youtube, dailymotion, etc views, the cable views, and just about every other way to view it. By all means of media exposure the WWE is really really healthy and their balance sheet (yes you can actually find that, it's not a work, they really are a publicly traded company) and look at their real numbers. Or...or..you can go to WWE corporate and look at their annual reports. Or...or...you can compare the numbers to something relevant, like other episodic TV shows and see how they destroy just about everybody. Or I guess you could continue to pretend it's the height of cable like 1999 and use those measures. I mean you probably still have dial up, probably still have a big cell phone, probably still own a playstation 1. You must be some sort of late 90s collector or something. To compare ratings of today to then is dumb. To use ratings as the only means of judging popularity is stupid. Why don't people get that? Do you judge a car's value based on how fast the wipers are only? Do you think the Yankees would make as much money if they played in Lincoln, nebraska? That's essentially the same logic as thinking "ZOMG 2.9 they used to get 6s".
 

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