justinsayne
Cody Rhodes is an excellant
Devils bitch. Fuck yeah!
2011-12 NHL Playoffs LD
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Go Kings Go.
justinsayne
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Hey JGlass, remember that bet they wouldn't let you in on?
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Sometimes you need to lose, in order to win.
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Hey JGlass, remember that bet they wouldn't let you in on?
Hey, remember that thread you never posted in until your team made the playoffs?
I've always wondered, how comfortable are bandwagons? I wouldn't know. I don't ride them.
justinsayne
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LULZ I'm a Wings fan, who predicted in that thread that they would be knocked out in the first round. Nothing wrong with rooting for a team with a ton of talent you can respect.
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Go Kings Go. Fuck Brodeur. Fuck New Jersey. Fuck bankrupt teams.
Hey JGlass, remember that bet they wouldn't let you in on?
All to well. In fact, I just made a nice little post in it...
justinsayne
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Real mature IDR, real fucking mature. Nice to see you're taking this loss with such grace.
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Fuck grace. They're my teams' biggest rivals. What do you want from me? To blow that fledgling franchise? Fuck them. Fuck their bandwagon fans who can't bother to show up to fill out their arena in the PLAYOFFS.
They're $10M in the hole with the NHL and $320M in the hole with Prudential Center. I hope they fucking collapse to bankruptcy. FUCK THEM.
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Oh, and for the record, I don't support any bankruptcy teams. That includes the Florida Panthers, Phoenix Coyotes and New York Islanders.
They're all a drain on the league.
They're all a drain on the league.
Wow, big man wishing for hundreds, if not thousands of people to lose their jobs.
I'm all for team rivalry, but let's not go crazy wishing for people to lose their jobs and stuff. You're a pretty terrible person, you know that?
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Coming from you, that's hilarious.
The talented ones would find work again, anyway, but this isn't about that.
When businesses deserve to fail, they fail, regardless of the fact that it costs a hot dog vendor his job.
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You sound like how me and me homie react to the Celtics. But for real New Jersey is now what stand between the Kings and that long-awaited first Stanley cup. Regardless of whatever weapons the Devils may have and "history", they better not roll in high and mighty thinking the Kings are some fluke team. So, in the words of IDR, "FUCK THE DEVILS".
Hmm, I can't seem to remember wishing harm on anyone... so I don't know what you're getting at.
I'm not referring to the players. They'll be fine. I'm referring to the security guards, the valets, the parking garages all around the arena, the vendors, the snack bar employees, the front office employees, the rear office employees, and of course the ever talented Devils Dancers whom never fail to amuse (though usually it's a matter of laughing at them, not with them).
I wonder if you'd have that same reaction if you lost your job or your wife lost her job because your company shipped it out to someone else. Would you come home saying, "Welp, guess I deserved it!"
No, you wouldn't.
I can assure you, the Devils won't be underestimating the Kings. After they were dismissed as a pre-finals meal for the Rangers by so many, the Devils know first hand how dangerous it is to be underestimated, and the Kings haven't exactly been walking quietly over in the West. They've been raising hell everywhere they've gone.
I think both teams know what they're getting into, and I look forward to some great hockey.
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Awesome. So fuck league security or profit — let's just continue to bail out failing sports franchises because Frankly the Security Guard will lose his job. That's smart.
What's the league's financial situation anyway? I don't usually pay attention to shit like that.
Unless you're one of the people profiting from the NHL's success, I fail to see how the financial success of a team effects you as a fan, or as a human being.
Let's not pretend this has anything to do with money. You hate the Devils because they have dominated your team for the better part of two decades, and because of that you want to see thousands of people jobless.
That is one hell of a grudge you're holding.
Edit: After quick research, it seems that despite having a few teams that aren't profitable, the league as a whole is making money. Last year they drew $2.9 billion in revenue. I believe that means they're operating out of the black, and if that's the case, I don't see the harm in carrying a few franchises, especially if it supplies jobs for thousands of people. Isn't the the point of a large company? To provide jobs?
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http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/devils_in_the_red_Mi3p63lfff0OCTWRIdroxH
http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2011/11/04/new-jersey-devils-appear-headed-for-bankruptcy/
http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/pu...y-devils-are-bankruptcy-bound?urn=nhl,wp16667
http://www.sbnation.com/nhl/2012/2/21/2815060/new-jersey-devils-sale-bankruptcy-jeff-vanderbeek
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And no, I do not need to be one fo the people profiting from the NHL's financial status to appreciate teams that actually make money and don't cost it. The more financial duress that's put on the league, the harder it is for it to be taken seriously, and the harder it is to sell hockey—the sport I love—to the masses, ergo bankrupt teams need to go bankrupt so the league can recoup the losses by placing them in markets that actually SUPPORT hockey. For more on this see Thrashers, Atlanta; Flames, Atlanta.
Not to mention, the more unnecessary financial stress put on the league, the harder it is for it to continue to branch out.
So yeah, fuck your New Jersey Devils. They made their bed. Now they can lay in it.
I may hate that franchise, but whether you choose to believe me or not, it has nothing to do with their success over the Rangers. It has everything to do with what that franchise has been responsible for (like massive rule changes due to their defensive dominance killing ratings), and because of the total drain they've become on the league financially.
That said, if given the opportunity to keep all teams in their existing markets and have them be financially successful, I would, because I don't believe in contraction either, but if a market is not right, a market is not right, and the league DOES NOT belong running the day-to-day operations or footing the bills in any way for a franchise (Phoenix, New Jersey).
http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2011/11/04/new-jersey-devils-appear-headed-for-bankruptcy/
http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/pu...y-devils-are-bankruptcy-bound?urn=nhl,wp16667
http://www.sbnation.com/nhl/2012/2/21/2815060/new-jersey-devils-sale-bankruptcy-jeff-vanderbeek
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And no, I do not need to be one fo the people profiting from the NHL's financial status to appreciate teams that actually make money and don't cost it. The more financial duress that's put on the league, the harder it is for it to be taken seriously, and the harder it is to sell hockey—the sport I love—to the masses, ergo bankrupt teams need to go bankrupt so the league can recoup the losses by placing them in markets that actually SUPPORT hockey. For more on this see Thrashers, Atlanta; Flames, Atlanta.
Not to mention, the more unnecessary financial stress put on the league, the harder it is for it to continue to branch out.
So yeah, fuck your New Jersey Devils. They made their bed. Now they can lay in it.
I may hate that franchise, but whether you choose to believe me or not, it has nothing to do with their success over the Rangers. It has everything to do with what that franchise has been responsible for (like massive rule changes due to their defensive dominance killing ratings), and because of the total drain they've become on the league financially.
That said, if given the opportunity to keep all teams in their existing markets and have them be financially successful, I would, because I don't believe in contraction either, but if a market is not right, a market is not right, and the league DOES NOT belong running the day-to-day operations or footing the bills in any way for a franchise (Phoenix, New Jersey).
Cool, you're telling me stuff I already know. Don't see how this is relevant to the conversation. While the Devils might not be making enough money, the NHL still is. If that's the case, then what's the harm in them throwing a few bones the Devils' way? They're a great team and a pillar of the community in Newark.
All you're showing me now is that, while you like to talk about the business side of the NHL, you have no idea what's actually going on. They've been doing better and better each year, making more money, selling more ads, and getting better TV deals.
This article may be over a year old, but it still reflects the trend in the upturn in hockey.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=559630
So please, tell me how my near bankrupt team is hurting hockey, a business that is doing better than ever?
"On the TV side, all North American partners experienced viewership increases while reaching new heights. NBC Sports' Bridgestone NHL Winter Classic broadcast was the most-watched regular season game in the U.S. in 36 years. On U.S. cable this season, VERSUS recorded its top four games in network history this season. VERSUS also earned its highest-ever NHL All-Star ratings for the 2011 game in Raleigh. Locally, 17 out of 30 NHL clubs' regional sports networks saw ratings increases or were even compared to last year."
From that article I posted.
It's pretty easy to sleep knowing you have a fraction of the money your rivals do and still manage to kick their asses for two decades.
1) Ah, the pathetic "they ruined the game" argument has come into play. The mark of desperation. I wish IC25 was here to deal with you properly, but I'll have to make due in his stead.
This is the most bullshit argument ever. For one thing, it didn't hurt ratings. The idea that one team's style of play would hurt ratings across the board is ludicrous. Another thing: it won them cups. If your team used it to win you three Stanley Cups, you'd be happy too.
They're not involved in day-to-day operations. They threw some money to these teams to give them a chance to stay afloat because there are thousands of jobs that rely on them, and it's good to keep these teams around. New Jersey has a strong rivalry with two clubs, and they've been part of the league for 30 years, and a consistent force for about 20 of them.
There really is no money issue here. If the NHL couldn't afford to help the Devils financially, they wouldn't. The NHL is doing great financially better than ever and keeping the Devils around is in their best interest it would seem. Otherwise, they wouldn't be helping them.
So it really boils down to your hatred for the team that has skated circles around the Rangers despite less fan support and less money and you trying to justify your deep seeded hatred with something you clearly don't understand.
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As I've already noted, having to be kept afloat by the league is a sign that your market is not strong enough to sustain itself, ergo a sign that you do not deserve a franchise. See Thrashers, Atlanta; Flames, Atlanta; Coyotes, Phoenix.
Devils' ticket sales went up 14% in the post-season, because their fans do not show up during the regular season, ergo without a long, deep playoff run in every season, they fail to bring in the requisite financials required to not only sustain the team, but to actually grow. And please… being a "pillar" in the "community" of Newark is like being the best Irish bar in East New York. No one's coming, no matter how great your beer is.
As I've already noted, having to be kept afloat by the league is a sign that your market is not strong enough to sustain itself, ergo a sign that you do not deserve a franchise. See Thrashers, Atlanta; Flames, Atlanta; Coyotes, Phoenix.
The Devils are $375M in the hole to the Prudential Center, have a $100M contract in Kovalchuk and have already been gifted $10M just to sustain the franchise from the NHL. I don't care how you spin this, or how you try to — this is the sign of a poor and failing market, ergo it does not deserve it's franchise.
NHL success ≠ Devils' success.
The ratings for the Stanley Cup Final will prove that, especially when compared to better, larger markets. Chicago, Pittsburgh, Boston, etc. will undoubtedly blow the Devils/Kings out of the water, and with good reason. Few care about the Los Angeles Kings, and even fewer about the New Jersey Devils.
I'm sure it is. I'm not denying the Devils' dominance over the Rangers. Doesn't make them a successful franchise, though, regardless of how many Cups they win. When you can potentially win a Cup in a season, yet your franchise still faces bankruptcy, that's about as strong an indication as any that things are not alright.
Oh, and for the record, Lundqvist is 23-7-5 against Brodeur.
Wrong. It is never good to keep fledgling franchises afloat over any prolonged period of time. The Devils have struggled, monetarily speaking, for over decade now. It's time to cut the umbilical cord.
Actually, there is a money issue here, as I've illustrated repeatedly. They are hundreds of millions in the hole, with a majority owner seeking another $80M investment into a franchise that's struggled financially for more than a decade. If that's not a "money issue", I have no idea what is.
Once again, the NHL's success ≠ Devils' success.
Keeping the Devils' around is "in the best interests" of the league because the Commissioner does not like to admit defeat. It's why the NHL is footing all the bills for another shit market in Phoenix. That's not an indication that it's the right decision in either case — just an indication that the league has a Commisioner who does not like to admit defeat (even when he's defeated).
justinsayne
Cody Rhodes is an excellant
Wow you two just managed to make hockey really fucking boring. Your typical sports fan doesn't give a shit about the teams fiances, they care about the game being played on the ice. Hating a team based on their financial standing is just fucking stupid.
