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2/21/11: Taker/HHH Segment (Keep All Discussion In Here)

This one sentence pretty much sums what I have thought of your opinions so far. Morrison being a better wrestler than Morrison, Orton, or Punk is laughable. You have Miz against the best wrestler in the company with The Rock likely being an enforcer or referee, Edge vs. ADR, Triple H vs. Undertaker, and everyone wants to see Lawler beat the hell out of Cole. Maybe the only that thing that sucks is you.


Really? Cena is the best in the company? That's wrong, it's not even an opinion, it's just wrong. Anyway, 2-21-11 was a letdown for me. Didn't even want Sting, I just wanted something less predictable. 3 or 4 weeks worth of cool promos for The Undertaker? What a letdown. This kind of hype should be reserved for something/someone better. Hopefully The Rock will save WrestleMania(seeing as I'll be there in Atlanta, 6th WrestleMania in a row)
 
I was not disappointed in the fact that Sting did not arrive. I think we all could assume that was not going to happen. And to be honest, I do not even really believe that the segment was that poorly done.

However, I had to watch it and feel somewhat bad for Wade Barrett and Sheamus. For almost an entire year, Sheamus has made reference after reference to how he ended Triple H's career. Also, a part of me has to believe that he won the King of the Ring Tournament, so he could gain the moniker of "King" and then ultimately feud with the King of Kings, Triple H. Now, I know people say that this kind of thing can play itself out over the next couple RAWs or Smackdowns, and that is true, but it does not seem like a justifiable payoff. I also think it would be silly to go back in that direction after Wrestlemania. It almost seems unfair to Sheamus. Also, I type this as someone who is not a fan of Sheamus whatsoever.

And where do this leave Wade Barrett? I'll offer a disclaimer, I could be described as a Barrett mark. For the second half of 2010, this guy was the MVP of WWE in my opinion. They way that he carried himself with Cena was just tremendous. My top two favorite memories of 2010 are Batista's heel run as well as Barrett and Nexus feuding with Cena. So now Barrett has gotten himself incredibly over only to be left off the Wrestlemania card? Or to perhaps be part of Money in the Bank, which already seems to be destined to be won by John Morrison or Dolph Ziggler.

Going into this Wrestlemania, I already knew that it would be different from past years. Let's face it, a lot of the established stars will be moving on. In two years, it is unlikely that Edge, Rey Mysterio, Triple H or Undertaker will still be active wrestlers. With that said, I believed that WWE would take the approach of having its younger stars face many older stars in an attempt to get the young stars over. We are kind of seeing this with Alberto Del Rio vs. Edge and Rey Mysterio vs. Cody Rhodes. However, now Sheamus and Barrett, who were likely going to be a part of two prominent Wrestlemania programs, have been shoved aside and almost forgotten about.

Sure, Triple H vs. Undertaker has a nostalgia feeling to it. And right now, yes, this is the big money match of the pay per view. However, where is the long term payoff in this kind of match? WWE is already ensured that the buyrate will be great with the return of the Rock. I feel as if this match is unnecessary and actually hinders the progress of two of WWE's brightest stars. Remember that there was a time when Stone Cold Steve Austin, the Rock and Triple H were in the same spots as Sheamus, Wade Barrett and Alberto Del Rio. They got their spots because by working with top tier talents.

Now, I will still enjoy watching Triple H vs. Undertaker at Wrestlemania, and I know it will be a great match. However, I cannot help but feel that it might not be the best direction to go in the long term.
 
Bad segment. Here are the reasons why IMO.

1. It was rushed Come on, you have Undertaker returning and on the same night HHH return? Not that I'm complaining about his return, but they could have at least waited a while be4 bringing him back. These two stare at each other and all of the sudden it's a Wrestlemania feud? If HHH doesn't explain why he wants to fight Taker next week, I'm gonna twist my head off.

2.What happens with Undertaker vs. Barret/Kane? It's pretty much been a Taker tradition for him to get back at whoever cheated him out of a win. Now they're gonna completely throw out history?

3.I just don't plain like it. If two legends in a feud make you go "That's it?", you know you have a problem.
 
WWE has really gone to the dogs. I have been waiting over 6 months to see the look on Sheamus's face when HHH comes back but the E once again you know what the pooch. HHH coming back and not feuding with Sheamus doesn't make any sense since Sheamus injured him and brags about it every chance he gets. What makes it worse is that after the Taker segment, Sheamus came out and didn't even look angry or worried.
 
I really don't see what's so wrong with WM this year. We got ADR vs Edge, Miz vs Cena, HHH vs The Phenom, Rhodes vs Mysterio, Punk vs Orton, and by the looks of things Big show vs Ezekiel Jackson, and you KNOW there's going to be a tag team title match in there somewhere, likely being Corre vs Nexus with a face thrown in there somewhere to keep the crowd alive. Not to mention there's probably going to be a Money in the Bank ladder match and the divas are actually putting on some solid matches as of late and will probably have one at WM, too...

Oh, and Cole is going to get his ass kicked. I don't know about you, but that sounds like it'll be worth 55 bucks to me.
 
For those who thought it was sting all these weeks- put on your helmets & go back to spounge bob. Taker was shown in the promo's & the Johnny Cash song was a 'dead' giveaway. Plus if you had doubts, still, until RAW- did anyone else not notice the HUGE FUCKING TAKER SYMBOL BY THE RING LIGHTS??? Glad to see him back b\c wrestlemania aint the same without him. Unfortunately alot of fans nowadays dont appreciate the phenom & it showed in the deflated reaction he got during his return.

Just as we are to hear from the deadman & listen to him challenge those who buried him-....."its time to play the game!".... and the crowd goes fucking nuts. HHH got a way larger response from the crowd than Taker did.

I was a little worried on how this was going to be booked & what direction they were going. It does seem counter productive, in a way, to restart the HBK\Taker feud by adding HHH- but HHH\Taker also have their own history as well. Taker will win this- it will happen, but the anticipation builds wondering 'if' HHH could be the one to end the streak. Its nt like hes facing a mid-card guy that you kno taker will squash. Thats why HBK was a good fight- bc you didnt kno for sure what would happen.

WM needed another draw & this is it. I have my own opinions about who should have challenged the Taker (sheamus, barrett)- but WWE has built this feud without saying a fucking word. That is how its done folks. Anyone bitching about the lack of mic time during the segment can eat shit. That was one of the most intense things i have seen in a while. HHH\Taker said absolutely nothing & it spoke volumes to anyone who has watched WWE in the past decade.

Sheamus & Barrett\Kane will be dealt with in time. Technically HHH\Taker have had unfinished business with eachother for a while. So that trumps any minor storylines that took them out of action originally. Sheamus will get his & the Taker will destroy Barrett\Kane soon enough- but this is WM. WM is about big fights & bright lights. WWE just showed why they still are the best, especially around WM time.
 
Well the People who said it was Undertaker returning were right, and the people who said HHH was returning were right.

It's almost certain now that HHH vs Undertaker will happen at WM 27, but what kind of match will it be? HIAC, Street Fight, Streak vs Career? What do ya'll think
 
Triple H will turn up on Raw next week and call out Sheamus. Sheamus will be destroyed which in turn "builds" Triple H. He will then focus on the Taker for the next 3/4 Raws before WM.

As for Taker, he will show up on Smackdown wanting answers for being buried by Kane/Barrett. Maybe this will inter-link with Triple H who in turn turns heel in the coming weeks.

I just hope the gimmick at WM is a Street Fight and not Streak vs Career.
 
Meh.

I see this for what it is - Plan C.

And a poorly-conceived Plan C at that.

I though this was Wrestlemania 26, not Wrestlemania 17.

I couldn't care less in seeing the Son-in-Law fighting the Undertaker AGAIN!

Spare me any details about 'revenge for retiring Shwan Michaels' - lame!

Gloss over the unfinished business that the two guys DO have for this thrown together mess.

Forget about Kane burying Undertaker, let's go with the staredown.

Forget that Sheamus supposedly put HHH out of action and claimed to have ended his career, let's go with the 'Wrestlemania 17 rewind' instead.

Now we've got a match that nobody cares about and nothing for Sheamus or Kane to do. Brilliant work boys!

Epic fail.
 
For those who thought it was sting all these weeks- put on your helmets & go back to spounge bob. Taker was shown in the promo's & the Johnny Cash song was a 'dead' giveaway. Plus if you had doubts, still, until RAW- did anyone else not notice the HUGE FUCKING TAKER SYMBOL BY THE RING LIGHTS??? Glad to see him back b\c wrestlemania aint the same without him. Unfortunately alot of fans nowadays dont appreciate the phenom & it showed in the deflated reaction he got during his return.

Just as we are to hear from the deadman & listen to him challenge those who buried him-....."its time to play the game!".... and the crowd goes fucking nuts. HHH got a way larger response from the crowd than Taker did.

I was a little worried on how this was going to be booked & what direction they were going. It does seem counter productive, in a way, to restart the HBK\Taker feud by adding HHH- but HHH\Taker also have their own history as well. Taker will win this- it will happen, but the anticipation builds wondering 'if' HHH could be the one to end the streak. Its nt like hes facing a mid-card guy that you kno taker will squash. Thats why HBK was a good fight- bc you didnt kno for sure what would happen.

WM needed another draw & this is it. I have my own opinions about who should have challenged the Taker (sheamus, barrett)- but WWE has built this feud without saying a fucking word. That is how its done folks. Anyone bitching about the lack of mic time during the segment can eat shit. That was one of the most intense things i have seen in a while. HHH\Taker said absolutely nothing & it spoke volumes to anyone who has watched WWE in the past decade.

Sheamus & Barrett\Kane will be dealt with in time. Technically HHH\Taker have had unfinished business with eachother for a while. So that trumps any minor storylines that took them out of action originally. Sheamus will get his & the Taker will destroy Barrett\Kane soon enough- but this is WM. WM is about big fights & bright lights. WWE just showed why they still are the best, especially around WM time.

Maybe its not that people dont appreciate Undertaker, maybe they just bored of him. Taker a great wrestler but he been boring to me these last few years.
 
Maybe its not that people dont appreciate Undertaker, maybe they just bored of him. Taker a great wrestler but he been boring to me these last few years.


it is kind of 50\50 in regard to the undertaker. older fans have came to expect his returns & alot of newer fans probably havent seen alot of what made him great. But you are right regardless of that. In the past 2-3 years his in ring\on air time has dwindled down to nothing, mostly due to his body not healing well anymore. injuries have taken its toll on the deadman & hasnt had proper time to gain momentum\excitement bc of his time away.
 
I honestly thought WWE dropped the ball on this one. HHH had been out of action for almost a year, we were all anticipating his return for months on end. Yet when he finally does return..he has nothing to say. Ohhh ahhh compelling stuff. The same goes for Undetaker, the entire 2/21/11 promo was clearly built around him for weeks to hype up his return(even though people didn't know for sure who it was..we had a pretty clear idea) Hes not in the ring 2 minutes and his interrupted by a returning HHH which clearly overshadowed what the 2/21/11 promo did.

I can understand trying to tell a story with body language and everything but in my opinion I think somebody should of said something, it would of made the segment that much better instead of them just staring each other down. I was glad with both of their returns but I felt they could of done so much more to make it a bit interesting. I feel wwe completely dropped the ball on this one. However this is just how I feel, I'm sure a lot of you see it in another light.
 
Okay, I have a crazy theory. Stick with me here. What is 21 minus 11? 10. What's 10 plus 2? 12. How many nights after the nearest pay per view was 2/21/11? 1. What's 12 plus 1? 13. What letter of the alphabet corresponds to 13? M.

Now, on 2/21/11, when John Cena called for the reply of Rock's promo from last night, what word wasn't censored? Asshole. What's another way of saying asshole? A-hole. Clearly the WWE was trying to get us to think of a hard A sound.

On 2/21/11, how many days had it been since The Rock's promo? 7. But the day before at Elimination Chamber, how many days had it been? 6. What's the sixth letter of the alphabet? F!

How many years has it been since WWE had to "Get The F Out"? Almost 9. The ninth letter of the alphabet is I.

When the WWE got the F out, what did the fans use to chant at Vince McMahon? "Asshole!" What's another way of saying asshole? A-hole. A.

What's M + A + F + I + A? Mafia. As in the Main Event Mafia. Is it possible that with Kurt Angle "retiring" in TNA, Sting as a free agent, and Booker T and Kevin Nash back on WWE soil that WWE was planning to bring in the most dominant stable in the history of TNA Wrestling? I don't see how you couldn't think it. But clearly, part of the deal fell though and this is Plan B or C. Probably explains why the writers didn't have any dialogue ready for Taker and Triple H. Disappointing to say the least. Long live the MEM!

Most shocking of all is who was set to lead them. When CM Punk made the MEM hand signal after his second World Heavyweight Championship win at Extreme Rules 2009, he clearly showed his undying allegiance to the group. I'm suggesting that the plan was to have Undertaker return for revenge on Barrett, and then vow to burn the Nexus banner to the ground as a further symbolic gesture. When going after Punk and Nexus, the MEM would show up to protect Punk, their higher power and true leader. Punk would then lead both the MEM and the new Nexus under the banner of Almighty, the most dominant double stable this side of Immortal.

If the deals with Angle and Sting go through by WrestleMania, it wouldn't shock me to see Triple H join Almighty and screw Undertaker out of the streak. Keep it in the back of your minds, people.
 
really wanna see this turn into a Hell in a Cell...don't know how this would play in a dome, but what two men left in the company belong in HiaC more than these two.
 
Like I said in the other thread, if you don't appreciate two middle-aged men staring awkwardly at each other for ten minutes then what in the hell do you find entertaining?!?!? I mean, did you expect them to speak? C'mon now. A signature taunt from each was more than enough. In fact, they probably should've saved that for a later date. Don't want to give away too much too soon.

Most of all I'm looking forward to the fantastic match we are sure to get from these two men who haven't wrestled in months. Well played, WWE. Well played.
 
It was a lame segment to say the least. First off, seeing Taker back really brings nothing to the table for me. My first reaction was "dude just f-ing retire already, I don't give a F about a wrestler that comes back and wrestles one match a year". And when he's in the ring, he should have issued a challenge for WM 27. Then after like a minute of build-up, HHH's music finally hits and he comes out. HHH would then explain that he wanted revenge on HBK. That's how it should have been.

Instead, we got a stare down. I swear I thought those two are mute. The stare down doesn't mean shit to me. Sure I can figure out that they want to beat each other at WM, but the story needs to be told.
 
Fuck does anybody understand that HHH was the surprise not Taker? We knew Taker was coming back for Triple H to come out striaght after was a big surprise unless you read what Justin put up on the site. Having both look at each other and saying nothing build tension ********s. ANyone who says that the segment was crap couldn't do any better.
 
If this wasn't a Mania match, but a regular match at any other WWE PPV everyone would be all over this. I just think WWE had no other big names to put against Taker so they put Triple H. Although you would think Triple H would be more pissed at Sheamus for ending his career and Taker would be pissed at Kane and Nexus for burying him, but I guess none of that matters during the Road to WrestleMania.

If this is another career vs. streak match then we already know how that is going to end. The match just seems thrown together like Lesnar vs. Goldberg at WM 20. It sounds good on paper, but at the end of the day it was just lackluster. Hopefully I'm wrong and these two will have some great promos between each other and a great match. I just don't have too much hope for two older veterans that we have seen wrestle time and time again. No Cena, Lesnar, or Sting so I guess Triple H makes sense.

So I guess anyone can come out during Undertaker's entrace from the back and point to the WrestleMania sign and they automatically get a match? I'll keep that in mind next time I want to challenge Taker.
 
Holy shit! I almost wept with tears of joy as I heard the opening chords to a very familiar Motorhead tune play through my TV last night... It was a thing of absolute beauty.

The best thing about it was that no one mentioned anything about it being a career versus streak match between the two. They didn't actually say anything but that is neither here nor there. The fact of the matter is that we are not being subjected to losing Triple H simply because the Undertaker has no one else to go against at WrestleMania. Although I am a huge Triple H fan, I will not be impressed if Triple H is retired at WrestleMania in a losing effort to The Undertaker. I mean, there is no shame in it whatsoever but it is so played-out right now. It was only last year that we had the exact same match between two men who deserved that sort of stipulation.

Triple H and The Undertaker have absolutely no history beyond this match and WrestleMania X-Seven and I would hate to see this match be a repeat of last year with the added addendum that Triple H has absolutely no chance of winning the match from the very outset. The great thing about last year was that we actually thought that Shawn Michaels could win the match. That is why putting his career on the line made some freaking sense. Triple H coming back to lose one match to The Undertaker at WrestleMania is pointless and would be the worst decision I have seen in all of the time I have been watching wrestling, especially when he has a lot of loose ends that he should tie up before he hangs up the boots.

So that made me happy and the segment itself was pretty damn interesting. It didn't need words, it just needed what we were given. The Undertaker returned and then Triple H did the same. They stared at each other and then the match between them was confirmed with one signal from Taker. Nothing else needed to be added and probably shouldn't have been. It was a great segment and will be a great match, even if it is Triple H's last in the WWE.
 
They should make it more interesting. Triple H could be like: "If I win, you retire. If I lose, I retire." Like the last WM.
 
By the looks of it, the videos of 2/21/11 were all about 'Taker and no one else. Maybe the "person" outside of the cabin was infact 'Taker's "soul" or "power".

Let me explain, when we saw 'Taker in the cabin he looked pretty sad and powerless, we then then see "someone" walking into the cabin, so my guess it would be 'Taker's spirit/power or whatever you like returning to him because last night on Raw when the countdown got to 0 and he slammed open the door he looked like his "powers" had returned, thats my theory anyway.

Looking forward to the lead up to WM27!!

What You Guys Think?
 
Basically for those who don't understand the title I mean on RAW Undertaker & Triple H returned. Both had a staredown. As many are aware people on this site are saying the segment was bad, which it wasn't. But they said nothing and I'm fed up of people saying 'oh it sucks that Undertaker and Triple H came back and did nothing. Well lets see if you can do better, post what you would have made them do, whether it be they beat each other up or didn't return at all. It's your turn to see if your stories are better than WWE's. Can't wait to see what you come up with.
 
I would have had his music start playing just as the corre were going to regain the tag championships, him slowly walk down to the ring and go to town on them, ending by tombstoning Barrett. Would have allowed him to gain his revenge before HHH came down to the ring next week and promo on how he should never had ended HBK's career and how he is the game and should have been the one to face Shawn in his final match, before demanding a wrestlemania match with him
 
I think it went down fine. I get what they were trying to do. Both guy's showed some of their talent by getting their point across without even speaking.

The one thing I would have done though, was have them start trading blows. They could have slugged it out some, and had both men attempt their respective finishers. But each man was able to get out of the other's finisher, showing how well they know each other.

They could have continued to "brawl" until refs and "security" ran down to separate them. Then they could have done the usual, had each guy break away from the people restraining them and dove at the other guy. Seems like it would have added a little more to it. Definitely a more physical confrontation would have probably gone over better.
 

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