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It definitely aint there Alex! That is weird. Good show. I love the DP and Murfish twists, both deserved. And with our tag champs dumping on us they Murfish deserves the shot...However it appears he has been banned so someone will need to look into that ASAP.

Derf, as I understand that is what they do, for ease, they cut and paste your application entrances. If you want your camera gimmick used then you will need to get Iscy or someone in Crreatve to do via the Character Changes thread.

Guys I want to know what you thought. I wrote the GM Murfish match, the tag match - Derf, I am glad you liked it as I enjoyed writing that one - and the Maxx Ricky match.

I also helped do the middle bit of the Everest Reaper match.

I hope they go down well. I am just after some opinions. I know I am getting better but in some matches, particular "normal" ones, I feel a bit repetitive. I dont think it comes through yet but i think it may.

Just after a bit of advice really.
 
Murfish: Has been banned for 1 week due to spamming. He should be back before he'll need to RP again. The key here, is to remember not to spam. If you have 2 infractions, then the best thing for you to do, is not post somewhere that can get you into trouble.. unless you understand the rules properly.

I'm not implying Murfish didn't. However I am saying I've known several posters who get two infractions to hold off on doing anything in the main sections, that could warrant them getting infracted and banned. Murfish should return, hopefully.
 
Hopefully! I hope he does as I really think he will do great in KFAD, it is the push he wanted for sure.

I guess the one thing i did not put in my other post was just asking about a possible Meltdown card? We obviously could not expect it to be done really late last night with the show. But it could be up soon?
 
I found the Milenko/Bowen match. It was buried in my inbox. I apologize. Totally my fault. It is posted in the same post as the GM/Murfish KFAD qualifier

Card is being worked on.
 
No problems rickey i'ma go read it right now and thanks for getting it up.

Edit- Great match whoever wrote it. I cant wait to rp again. Dc and david have been helping me a bit in another fed. And i can say that we had my fude with melinko over in that fed when i was a shittier rper. But now im ready to have the real fude in wzcw unfold because it was only 2 weeks in the other fed then it was over lol. I can't wait to rp again!
 
Hopefully! I hope he does as I really think he will do great in KFAD, it is the push he wanted for sure.

I guess the one thing i did not put in my other post was just asking about a possible Meltdown card? We obviously could not expect it to be done really late last night with the show. But it could be up soon?

I'm assuming you mean the next Meltdown, and RP boards for the next show? If thats the case.. at least give it until Monday. I mean no offense, but Father's Day is Sunday and both myself as well as Rios are just that. Not only that, but as a result of the serious and MAJOR delay of this show..

Those of us on creative are ironing and working everything out to ensure this never happens again, in this manner. While I realize delaying a card/RP sections being posted IS delaying none the less.. I'm asking everyone to please be patient and just hold out for the next card. When its posted, hopefully by that time we can get everyone on the writing team in for writing the matches.. that way by the time the deadline for Rps in up, the show can be posted a day or two after that.
 
Umm......Nobody commented on Rios loosing the title and then winning it back later in the night, and the DP Tribute. I personally thought that was a key part of the show. Rios brok kayfabe and everything.


I really think people only read their own matches lol
 
Umm......Nobody commented on Rios loosing the title and then winning it back later in the night, and the DP Tribute. I personally thought that was a key part of the show. Rios brok kayfabe and everything.


I really think people only read their own matches lol

I'm gonna be personally honest, this is the biggest issue I have with the e-fed, outside of reading "Where's the show, when's it gonna be posted" roughly 20 times in 4 pages.

I really feel to get a grip on the whole e-fed experience, you need to read through the entire show. Learn your opponents, your rivals. See what OTHER storylines are going on. Whats the point of having a storyline, if the only individuals reading or caring about it, are the two or more involved with it?

Enforcer's right.. the Disasterpiece Championship victory was huge, and several people failed to see it apparently. Rios was an undefeated World Heavyweight Champion. (in the understanding he'd never lost his title, until now) and YES, this counts as a Championship change.. twice. It was a big moment for W.Z.C.W. and the most we've gotten outta this show that everyone wanted was..

"Did you like the match I wrote?" (No offense GM, because they were really good matches)

PLEASE, EVERYONE: Pay attention to the complete show. We've been tossing the idea of beginning extra discussion threads toward the current Pay Per View we'd be heading toward. If we do this, its really only going to be useful if everyone gives their opinions on the entire product.. not just their own match or storyline.
 
I personally thought the show was really good, and the tribute video kicked major arse. Good job DJ, or whoever made that vid. I'm assuming the pics used we're mostly searched for, maybe some from DP's actual collection.

Speaking of the DP tribute, I thought I could do an in character blog about it for the news page. Wouldn't mind doing that while Legend is injured, it's better than him just dissappearing until he comes back.
 
I honestly thought I had commented on that...I cannot believe that I didn't! That is an absolutely huge thing and credit to you guys for coming up with it. I love how it was written and thought out. DP deserves it all and I hope he is OK. I hope he notices it whenever he gets back.

No offense taken and I was actually hoping my comment would encourage others to read through the entire show, given I had a big part of the match writing. Reading the entire show IS something I make a habit of doing (I read all previous events before I even signed up). Especially with me looking to play a significant part in the fed.

I can wait for the card. And for the weekend to be over.

While I obviously have issues with some of the ways that things are done, I think that the delay of past 6 weeks will make it easier for changes to be made. And I hope we can all come to conclusions that will significantly help the fed.
 
I read the whole card (mostly) and I though it was really good. This was the very first full card I have read since I made my debut. I was wondering though, for the next card, is there anyplace I can make a request for a match before the matchs are actually set up?
 
Ok guys Ive got a couple of comments to make, before you look and judge me for what im about to say please note that i dont mean to offend anyone i just have a couple of issues i would like to adress

- The good

I love the dedication to the show, I really like how some of the matches where written and feel that the DP tribute was fitting, he is a great guy and an amazing rper, he deserved a great send off, I really loved the GM vs Murfish match and the way the tag champs got screwed, the show was worth the wait on some retrospects

- Now the bad

Look i feel that the booking with Meltdown is a cluster at best, Gus won the biggest Match of his career but that one promo made him look pointless, it made the whole situation with Heidi look silly and destroyed months of build up, secondly he took two seconds out to berate D.C it made his character and Gus's look weak, if he was a real life wrestler hed be jobbing out of the door because of that one promo.

I have a small problem with the DP title win and how it was played out, I felt that DP would of loved to work for the world title and not be given that kind of charity win from Rios and dropping it back to him made it look even worse, i felt that it lessened the credibility of the title and also DP's reign, the one sheer problem with this was that no one rpd and made all the hard work that others have put into the title situation seem useless, I dont believe that it should of happened and made the storyline on Will vs Rios look bad.

there is more but i dont want to go into it too much, Im sorry if i offend anyone Ricky, Will, Enforcer anyone who books or writes i know how hard it is runing a fed but i just felt i needed to express my opinion on this situation as i want WZCW to become one of the premiere e feds and didnt feel that booking such as this was a way to go, I do understand if you need to discuss this with me further and feel that i need to be repremanded then im fine with that
 
That match of mine really got me pumped up to post more. It's hard to get on here when your sister won't share the Internet, but I will try harder to be more active. I'm still reading through the show, but from what I've read, I really like it so far. That match, albeit short was fast paced with some great spots and intense action. Hero's Journey on the outside, as Adamle would say, "Have Mercy! Have Mercy! Have Mercy!" In my opinion, it was a great debut for all involved. I must say that I smell an eventual rematch. Keep up the great work.
 
The good

I love the dedication to the show, I really like how some of the matches where written and feel that the DP tribute was fitting, he is a great guy and an amazing rper, he deserved a great send off, I really loved the GM vs Murfish match and the way the tag champs got screwed, the show was worth the wait on some retrospects

Thank you for stating that you liked the way some matches were written, its appreciated

- Now the bad

Look i feel that the booking with Meltdown is a cluster at best, Gus won the biggest Match of his career but that one promo made him look pointless, it made the whole situation with Heidi look silly and destroyed months of build up, secondly he took two seconds out to berate D.C it made his character and Gus's look weak, if he was a real life wrestler hed be jobbing out of the door because of that one promo.

That promo was to keep him in the view of the audience, they same way they have people just show up on tv, just to make sure people dont forget about them. I have to disagree in saying the promo was pointless, I think it did exactly what it was meant to.

I have a small problem with the DP title win and how it was played out, I felt that DP would of loved to work for the world title and not be given that kind of charity win from Rios and dropping it back to him made it look even worse, i felt that it lessened the credibility of the title and also DP's reign, the one sheer problem with this was that no one rpd and made all the hard work that others have put into the title situation seem useless, I dont believe that it should of happened and made the storyline on Will vs Rios look bad.

:wtf: The fact that DP was given the title was to show exactly how much we all here care for him. We on the staff felt it was the best thing to do for him given the situation. The man is going over seas and risking his life to fight for his country and you think that the way we honored him by having him beat Rios for the title (Which he stated was always his wish to be World Champion) was wrong? You think DP would be mad at the fact he won the title? I highly doubt it. I think he would be over joyed to know that we cared enough for him to make sure he won the title. And I also think that it helped further the Will and Rios fued seeing as how it was Will that got the match to take place. So please be open minded about things.
 
I had a look through most of the show, and I thought it was great. You guys here put in alot of effort. I thought that the show was pretty good and that the matches were good too. Disasterpeice geting the title for one night was interesting, it was a nice send off too.

I have a few questions though, why was this episode 12. When it looked like last episode was episode twelve was well?

Also about my application, I applied and Enforcer sent my a PM saying he liked it. So, do I just wait until I am 'officailly accepted' until I put up a sample roleplay thread?
 
I just wanna say my two cents here for a second. Firstly, in the Gus segment, it didn't do it justice at all. Like seriously, it just kinda makes it look like you guys just had him come on camera... crack a fart joke... and tried to make a rivalry out of it. Gus saying "My GF is prettier then yours" are HARDLY fighting words. And the reunion was... typical.

Now, as for the DP send off. While I will agree that yes, it was nice......... it was completely, and utterly disrespectful to anyone, that had anything to do with that title hunt... You made it completely clear as to the intentions when you stated
I think he would be over joyed to know that we cared enough for him to make sure he won the title.

You made sure he got the title... I've RPed for title shots... Everest has RPed for title shots... combined, we RPed for title matches... we never won... Rios nor DP RP, and, they both win title matches... in the same night none the less... forget the send off... forget the "being nice" attitude you wanna put on it... and you guys are slapping myself and Everest in the face. By "doing what you want cause we're friends" you've managed to literally show, how some of the results for WZCW are made... and that... in my personal opinion, is down right disgraceful to anyone else who has "hopes of being a champion."
 
Re: DP
I agree with how he was taken out (on top) but I agree with how angry DC is because i would be too.

It is difficult not to feel that Dynasty dominate too much sometimes and SOMETIMES, the dedication to other storylines are lacking. The Gus promo is one such instance. He and DC were made to look like wet, lily-livered *****es and it was all because of how lacking it was.

And how difficult would it be, give the new Elite X champ a non title squash match? God knows we have enough people to use as jobbers and if Rios does not have to RP then why should Gus?

I dont mean to sound like I am having a go. Mainly because I feel sorry for everyone else. I hope creative will address your concerns in the way that they addressed most of mine.

Still, I would like to hear how we are going to have everything sped up. I dont know exactly how long it was but it felt like months for that show to get out! That is unacceptable.

Danmen,
you will know you are in when a mod creates you a page in the roster page! I reckon it will happen next week.
 
While we're on topic, I just though I'd toss my two cents in. I agree with the proper sendoff for DP, but a Title run that lasts an evening? If he was working towards it, don't you think he would have wanted to actually win it, not have it handed to him only for someone to say "Ok, now give it back", all the while him not even being aware of it? If it was me, I would have done a proper sendoff not involving titles at all. Like just having him pin the champ in the ME non title match would have been huge. No offence WHATSOEVER to those involved, but the whole title picture this show had HHH written all over it. And on that same note, I to feel that everyone involved should have to RP, some people are working their asses off here to et noticed, and the Champ didn't even RP. I'm not trying to sound like a dick, but I'm sure you can see where I and the rest of us are coming from.
 
EVERYONE: Okay, originally I was about to blow up but I've since calmed down. I do want to express how much I've taken the D.C. comments, as well as comments directed at me by another yesterday as very personal and very disrespectful. I'll explain why.

Storyline/Rp Situation: "I" take full responsibility for Storylines being over-used instead of Rps being the main way to win/lose a match. Thats likely why Rios is still Champion. However storylines would also be why guys like Maxx & Gus, Kenny & Joe are current Champions, as Maxx was very tied with Ricky.. and no offense to Gus, but in each of the matches he "won" it was storyline written.. and not to boast as I normally never do, but I know for a solid fact my RPs could've very easily won any of those matches.

So as you can see, storyline victories help and hurt anyone. Its not creative trying to hold you down. Its not myself, Enforcer, Ricky or anyone else trying to "have a go" at hurting your characters or trying to piss any of you off.

Its ME personally, trying to make the e-fed seem more like an actual wrestling story, instead of some computer game in which the most off-balanced RP of a guy who could be better described as "tripping on acid" wins the match, because he came up with the most random shit to say.

D.C., I take great offense in what you said.. because I know I've personally come to you regarding "dives." Same goes for Everest. If either of you lost a match in which you didn't know you were going to, then "I" need to personally know right now and rest assured I will handle the situation, and fire the individual responsible. As stated before, I've spoken with both Everest & D.C. and both guys knew they'd be losing their World Heavyweight Championship matches.

It was agreed upon by all individuals involved as alternative storylines were set in place that they agreed with. Now, I'm reading D.C. more or less mouthing off because a tribute special "one night only" type of deal was handed to DP. That leads me to this..

Character Control: Each of you want better control, more control, over your own characters. I've had 3 guys come to me within as many weeks almost demanding that their character come out in a "StoneCold Steve Austin" manner and wipe out random people.. just to prove they're "badass." Now, would all of you agree thats the proper thing to do? If you do.. I'm asking you to leave, because I don't want stupid crap like that involved in this.. honestly, and seriously.

Alex Bowen & Milenko have had complete control over their storyline, to the understanding that short of one going "Austin" on the other.. they can have it go any way they want.

Gus was the guy who wrote his promo. I told him to specifically add in a D.C. comment to begin their feud. I didn't know what he'd say, I didn't tell him to say anything other than try building off D.C. eliminating him half way from the p.p.v.

So if any of you wanna complain, bitch & moan over how half-assed that promo was.. I'm tired of taking the fall when it doesn't involve me. Gus is who you're looking for, and I'm quite sure he doesn't take the disrespect any better. Afterall, hes just like all of you. He had what all of you want, which is "complete control" over his character, and promos.. and all of you still bitch that its half assed and slapped together. Well, had it of been written by me.. I assure you it wouldn't of been.. but you each wanna do your own thing, so deal with it.. thats what you got.

Now by no means am I trying to toss Gus under the bus. (so to speak) But this is a perfect example of giving each of you an inch, and you wanting a mile. Gus was given full creative control over how that promo was meant to go.. good, bad, or indifferent, I was fine with him doing that. But each of you are complaining and being hypocritical all in one.. because you want to control your characters, then complain about how things are written.. when creative isn't even the ones writing them any longer.

RPs: From here on out, we truly were trying to bring in more of a situation in which RPs win over storylines. But on that note, is it truly my fault that it just so happens that guys like myself, Ricky & Isy are very good at what we write.. and in the same manner, we're on creative so IF/WHEN we win matches.. it looks like we're only pushing ourselves due to being in creative control?

How unfair is it of each of you, to tell any of us.. that we have no right to be equal in this e-fed? Honestly.. if I have to RP each of you to prove I can, then I will.. I make no bones about D.C. & Everest being the top two guys in this e-fed, next to Isy & Ricky.. but I'm not going to sit here and read people complaining that creative shouldn't be involved with anything, because of where they are.
 
One More Thing: I don't wish to lose any of you, especially guys like David, Everest or D.C. who are truly good at what they do.

But on that note, I'm not going to let anymore of you complain so much, that its you mouthing off to me and attempting to walk over creative, as I feel thats what a lot of you have done recently. Again, I don't hope any of you will leave.. but if you feel the e-fed is so horrible, I'm more than sure other guys will come along and want the spots some of you are in.

Kingdom Come: Its the biggest Pay Per View we've yet to have, and I ask each of you to give us on creative until the Meltdown after this p.p.v. to prove to all of you, that we have ALL of your best interests at mind. I DO NOT & WILL NOT give away the ideas we've come up with.. but rest assured it is very much in the best interest of everyone involved, who isn't on creative.

Rps will be focused more on.. so if you lose, know its because your RP was beaten, not because you took a dive.

And one final thing. If you complain, it will be replied to. Do not think we hold anything against you, but also understand the line in the sand between complaining about something, and running your mouth just to be noticed. D.C., again.. to the best of my knowledge, you knew of each loss you took, and you agreed to them. If you did not, then I need to know of when and where, so I can personally make the situation better for you. The same goes for Everest, and anyone else who feels jaded.
 
Re: DP
I agree with how he was taken out (on top) but I agree with how angry DC is because i would be too.

Then address DP over why he specifically asked for that storyline. Then explain to me why it was you specifically who asked for more control over your character. (which is what we gave DP as well) Only for you along with apparently everyone, to turn around and complain about the way characters are used?

DP was the guy who wanted things to go the way they did. He asked if something of that nature could happen. We agreed, as a tribute to show him our respect. By you, and everyone else complaining over him being given the title.. "I" see that as disrespectful to DP. Because thats what HE asked for, not what any of us thought up prehand. Thats just my feelings on the situation, I'm not calling you or anyone out personally.. I'm just explaining what I feel.

It is difficult not to feel that Dynasty dominate too much sometimes and SOMETIMES, the dedication to other storylines are lacking. The Gus promo is one such instance. He and DC were made to look like wet, lily-livered *****es and it was all because of how lacking it was.

I take the first part of this as disrespectful because I literally spend hours coming up with storylines for all of you. You can personally ask Isy how much I bust my ass for most of you to complain over it.

Secondly, Dynasty is the main faction on the show, so in some manner they should be seen as "dominate." Not completely over everything, but at least as a Main Event group.. which is what they are. And each of us on Dynasty's team, are very good Rpers as well. So be it storyline or Rp.. either way, we deserve most of the wins we get.

Regarding the D.C./Gus angle, you need to talk with Gus. Once again, creative control over his character and how Heidi & Gus were brought back together was all on him. He wrote it, he thought up what he wanted to say. It had NOTHING to do with creative trying to make him or D.C. look weak.. if thats what happened, then I guess he did that all by himself. If D.C. wishes to take control of this storyline, then I expect him to PM me with ideas, instead of complaining about things.

And how difficult would it be, give the new Elite X champ a non title squash match? God knows we have enough people to use as jobbers and if Rios does not have to RP then why should Gus?

Typically, Rios wouldn't of wrestled at all. You're blowing the situation out of order. Furthermore, once again I believe you truly need to speak with Gus before talking. Gus asked us to be kept off the show, as he has been busy.

RP or not.. Gus asked to be kept off. We went with his wishes. How would you of handled that?

I dont mean to sound like I am having a go. Mainly because I feel sorry for everyone else. I hope creative will address your concerns in the way that they addressed most of mine.

Worry about yourself, don't take pity on others. By you saying statements like this, its almost offensive to me as well as everyone on creative.

Its roughly you slapping each of us in the face, trying to tell us we don't know how to do our jobs. If you have any ideas, not just for your own character, then speak up.

Still, I would like to hear how we are going to have everything sped up. I dont know exactly how long it was but it felt like months for that show to get out! That is unacceptable.

I fully agree! As does Ricky, and the situation has been dealt with. I won't explain anymore, just understand that we do have everyone's best interest at heart.. and shit like this shouldn't happen again.

Of course since we're on this subject.. lets not completely blame creative alone, okay? Because the last time I checked.. several promos weren't written and turned in until way beyond the time they should've. Some of the matches were late, due to personal issues or what-have-you.. but they were still late. All of these issues are OUT of creatives hands.

When we place the writing in most of your hands, then we expect you to help benefit the show. This show doesn't fall on creative, it falls on everyone involved with it. GM, you, D.C., Bowen, Murfish, Everest, anyone who wishes to see the show out in a hurry.. I'm suggesting you start pitching in.

I THANK YOU personally, for writing most of the matches. I hope to depend on you even more in the future for writing. As long as the matches get in on time, the show will be out on time. I promise this.

Danmen,
you will know you are in when a mod creates you a page in the roster page! I reckon it will happen next week.

To my knowledge, he was contacted yesterday. If he has anymore questions, please feel free to contact me.
 
Will, i am honestly surprised that you took the time to reply to this today, as you were not going to so for that I says thanks mate for taking that time out.

The Gus promo is something I was surprised at, is certainly something that we didnt and were not to know. I am little surprised that it ended the way it did and i guess, as you had no control over the content, creative in this instance can certainly be absolved of any fault.

I cannot understand why people would go to you about taking people out (to take your point, Austin could it because he had justification and was over) and I am guessing the people that you are talking about are not in that position, so i really do not get why you would be ask to build a storyline around that sort of actions.

I certainly do not feel that you four have no rights as to be "equal" but you have to understand that, to us. It does sometimes seem a little much for us to take.

Just see my original reaction to the Lethal Lottery, I know we sorted that out but still, all we ask is that you see our side. Yes you could call it being a great heel tactic, and we are as justified to say it is HHH-like booking.

With regards to decision making, short of showing us the discussion that are made with regards to deciding who wins and loses, i dont know you could deal with this.

I knonw it seems like we are complaining and maybe it is unjust, but all I ask is that instead of getting shot down and instantly dismissed, maybe we get taken into consideration.

For instance, as things I know what Iscy has said to me about GM's future via PM and I am OK with that but is that character being made to look like a serious WHC contender? At the moment, hell NO! But could he? FOR SURE! If creative wants to handle him correctly.

And one last comment, I do think that a lot of this frustration is born out of the fact that the show was sooooo late, when one person hands in four matches and the rest of the show still takes a week to put up then we know something is going wrong.

Like I said Will, thanks for coming back to us. We just dont want this to be repeated and as things stand, there is no guarantees of that.

We just want to make this the best place it can be. Like you guys. And I dont see why it cant be.
 
I love the way my character is being used. Even though I have control over my character I love having a surprise thrown at me like what happened on Meltdown. I also love the DP tribute I never got to know him but it seems like the least that could be done.
 
Will I think we have been cross posting.

It sounds like a lot of the comments have simply come out of the fact that we were not aware of a lot of the things that you were. We had no idea that Gus would only be cutting a promo or that there would be an event involving DP (Surely we could have mad euse of the facilty and posted something on the wzcw.com page!)

As far as I am aware I have asked for more control of my character, but I have NOT complained about how he is used. If anything, my previous post just asked for a little sense to be applied within the booking to make him sound like a contender. (I dont expect to win KFAD now but it would be nice to feel like GM has a chance.)

I will be available for writing in the future and want to give this place a chance. I do feel like I am being told off like a little kid but I will take it.

And if you want help thinking of "storylines" then ask us! Surely we could help in some way, beyond RPing and then expect you four to be dealing with all of the burden of putting the show out.

Like I said, thanks for taking the time to get back to us.
 
The Gus promo is something I was surprised at, is certainly something that we didnt and were not to know. I am little surprised that it ended the way it did and i guess, as you had no control over the content, creative in this instance can certainly be absolved of any fault.

Again, I'm not trying to pin-point Gus for anything. I'm merely saying that D.C. offended me, and everyone else who roughly blamed creative for this.. when we had nothing to do with it. But instead of people asking Gus personally, before just running their mouth's.. they assume.. and assuming makes them look bad.

Finally, if I would've wrote the situation, I'm sure I would've attempted having Gus cut a promo that D.C. would've responded to in an RP.. that went deeper than "My girlfriend's better than your's." Sure, that'd set up a decent Heidi v. Lindsey match.. but that wasn't the objective. So I understand how its seen as "weak." However, I gave Gus creative control over how the promo went.

The entire Big Will/Gus storyline, was made to bring Big Will in as a character in general. (it was my debut of sorts) And it was meant to build Gus as a top player, in the Elite X division. I 100% laid down for Gus and put him over in a great way.. and for people to throw stuff in my face, saying I'm on creative and I'm trying to book things my way.. Oh hell no, thats bullshit to the fullest and I won't stand for it.

I cannot understand why people would go to you about taking people out (to take your point, Austin could it because he had justification and was over) and I am guessing the people that you are talking about are not in that position, so i really do not get why you would be ask to build a storyline around that sort of actions.

Again, call me "old school" but I just felt that the individuals who came to me wanting to have an Austin-like approach, didn't need it.. as it had nothing to do with their characters. If you want a push to be seen more powerful, then lets work with your character, not attempt to rip off another just because he was viewed as one of the "best badasses in Pro Wrestling."

Because lets face it.. 5 Steve Austin's raising hell in an e-fed is going to look like shit. Whats next, guys like Maxx & the Nation wanting to become Rock's? I'm sure that ain't right.

I certainly do not feel that you four have no rights as to be "equal" but you have to understand that, to us. It does sometimes seem a little much for us to take.

I get where everyone is coming from. This very situation was addressed yesterday. If people feel those on creative shouldn't get any chances to win Championships.. then I'll quit right here, and right now.. because my skills and talent, good bad or indifferent, are to me, at least good enough to contend. And if I'm being told I can't because I'm willing to put up with all I do for creative.. then its not worth it.

So if someone wants my creative spot, let me know. You can put up with all the disrespectful natures I do, and you can sit and rot without getting anything for yourself. Earned or otherwise. Because thats how I feel a lot of you think we on creative need to be like.. I believe most of you feel we should give everything to everyone, and do nothing for ourselves.

Just see my original reaction to the Lethal Lottery, I know we sorted that out but still, all we ask is that you see our side. Yes you could call it being a great heel tactic, and we are as justified to say it is HHH-like booking.

I admit 100% the Lethal Lottery match was set-up to create a few good quality storylines going into our "Mania" p.p.v. D.C. KNEW he was jobbing, and said he was still going to produce a great RP.

I'm never going to tell anyone to produce shit. But if you were approached about jobbing, and agree, then you have no right to complain. The entire L.L. situation (now) is seen as a mistake. But I'd hope everyone sees that I wasn't doing it out of anything other than to promote a great group of good feuds.

With regards to decision making, short of showing us the discussion that are made with regards to deciding who wins and loses, i dont know you could deal with this.

I think roughly what you're asking, is that we on creative tell you and everyone else exactly what we have planned, and how we pick winners and losers.

Short of telling all of you the storylines we plan (which just can not and will not be happening) we pick Rp winners/losers based on the quality of the RP. Its a majority vote, in which we pick the one we liked more, based off our own views. Not favortism, not anything else.

I knonw it seems like we are complaining and maybe it is unjust, but all I ask is that instead of getting shot down and instantly dismissed, maybe we get taken into consideration.

I've never shot down anyone for anything. But I will put each of you in your place if I feel you're out of line. And if any of you wanna quit because of being shown up, thats your decision. I'd hope you would all be more mature and respectful about it.. but I can't control any of you.

The way I see it.. people wanna run their mouth and complain, but when the situation is thrown back at them, with truth.. if that truth hurts, they wanna run away crying.

I'm not saying you. But I have seen situations, where we on creative have had to "baby-sit" some of you, by sugarcoating what we say.. as to not "offend" or hurt, even though most of you quite often speak without thinking.

So understand I will very much reply to anyone's complaint and I will deal with the situation if its called for (such as D.C. jobbing without knowing it, for example) but if I can explain the situation that someone unjustly blew up at.. I'd expect the same amount of respect in return.

For instance, as things I know what Iscy has said to me about GM's future via PM and I am OK with that but is that character being made to look like a serious WHC contender? At the moment, hell NO! But could he? FOR SURE! If creative wants to handle him correctly.

No offense specifically, but this could be seen as a prime example. I don't exactly recall off the top of my head what the "plans" call for, for you in the future. But to my knowledge, we've stopped running "premade plans" since so many of you want Rps to decide the main focus of winners and losers.

So I can't guarantee to you that you'll win or lose and be seen as anything of Championship material. You have to make yourself look like that, through RPs. And I can't write them for you.

Originally, I would've said storylines could've very well called for you to be seen as a Champion.. but with so many people complaining, its Rps that decide main issues now.

The only way a storyline will decide the winner, is if its agreed upon by all individuals involved. (Will v. Rios, Sincade/Ricky/Manzo, or situations like Gus/Will)

And one last comment, I do think that a lot of this frustration is born out of the fact that the show was sooooo late, when one person hands in four matches and the rest of the show still takes a week to put up then we know something is going wrong.

Once again, the situation you're refering to as to why it was late.. was out of creatives hands.. short of stepping on toes and writing promos for people who we gave creative control to.

If we would've went ahead with the show, in posting the promos of selective people.. then they could've complained that we didn't give them their proper control.

Like I said Will, thanks for coming back to us. We just dont want this to be repeated and as things stand, there is no guarantees of that.

You're absolutely right, I don't honestly feel there is any way to guarantee it won't happen again.. but I did promise that I'd do everything in my power to make sure it won't.

So if a show has to be posted along the lines of looking like..

"Maxx d. Ricky"
"Everest & Reaper fought to a no contest"
"GM d. Murf!sh"

etc, etc, etc.. then I will, just to get the show out on time. It'll look like an incredible ball of crap.. but I wouldn't expect people to complain, if thats what we have to do.. to get the show out on time. Agreed?

We just want to make this the best place it can be. Like you guys. And I dont see why it cant be.

I 100% agree. But I also ask one last time, from here on out TO EVERYONE unless you understand the situation.. DO NOT complain about things, without knowing the full truth behind them. (The Gus promo, is the best example)
 

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