WZCW Discussion Thread

[Derf]

I don't see a problem with complaining. Complaining is Opinionated, and if we don't complain/give opinions, how do you know what we really think? This was my first show, so I don't really know whats going on. But with all of the people in creative also all in the ME, I can asume I know why people are upset. My solution? Give the title to someone who is NOT on creative. Someone deserving who doesn't have the power to just take it. But thats just my idea. You have to look at it from our point of view as well as us having to see it through your eyes. Everyone see's things different.

On a slightly different note, I just read the preview for the next week, and I wasn't on it. So I have two questions. 1, am I going to be a part, and 2, do you mind if I suggest a match? I though there was a place to request matchs, but I can't find it. If I can, I'll just PM you.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

It sounds like a lot of the comments have simply come out of the fact that we were not aware of a lot of the things that you were. We had no idea that Gus would only be cutting a promo or that there would be an event involving DP (Surely we could have mad euse of the facilty and posted something on the wzcw.com page!)

I fully agree with this. Normally, a situation would've been brought into light in a wzcw.com manner. (as I did with the up-coming preview for Meltdown) However the DP/Rios situation was SUPPOSE to be seen as a surprise, a treat if you will.. it was an inprompto match, that was meant to build on the Rios/Will feud.. as well as pay respect to DP.

Instead, it took heat because everyone feels they deserve the World Heavyweight Championship.. and because it was handed back and forth between two guys who didn't RP for it.. it was taken as a slap to those who have Rped for it, and not won it. I fully agree, and I apologize for the offense that caused.. but it was meant to be in good favor of respect for DP, not to slap anyone else in the face.

Situations where titles change hands back and forth in the same night have happened. Tribute shows, with kayfabe being broken have happened. We just wanted to do that.. and everyone got up-roared over the fact that apparently an e-fed shouldn't be viewed as a real fed.

Again, its stuff like that that upset me.. and make it seem like the hours myself, Isy, Ricky & everyone else put into this place.. go unnoticed and unrespected. Its shit like that, that truly make me want to quit.. because its pointless to begin with.. and when you don't even get respected for the time and effort you put into writing, then its purely for nothing.

As far as I am aware I have asked for more control of my character, but I have NOT complained about how he is used. If anything, my previous post just asked for a little sense to be applied within the booking to make him sound like a contender. (I dont expect to win KFAD now but it would be nice to feel like GM has a chance.)

If you assume you'll lose because of this, then thats yet another issue I'll take great offense in. I assure you, if your RP is better than those involved, you will win the match. That much I can very much promise you.

I will be available for writing in the future and want to give this place a chance. I do feel like I am being told off like a little kid but I will take it.

I assure you I'm not trying to treat you as a child, but I'm also trying to greatly explain that I've had enough with the call-outs and the blames from everyone.. on matters that they simply couldn't take the time to check whether what they were bitching about, was even worth bitching to us over.

GM, I do respect you.. but as I said before.. I will put any number of people in their place if I feel they're in the wrong for something they've said. I will not and do not believe anyone has the right to run their mouth, and expect to get away with it.. if the situation is uncalled for.

And if you want help thinking of "storylines" then ask us! Surely we could help in some way, beyond RPing and then expect you four to be dealing with all of the burden of putting the show out.

Like I said, thanks for taking the time to get back to us.

Right now our biggest issue WAS writing. But with you, Murf!sh and others stepping up.. hopefully the shows will be capable of coming along more now. So thank you for stepping up, personally.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

I don't see a problem with complaining. Complaining is Opinionated, and if we don't complain/give opinions, how do you know what we really think?

I agree 100% but I find myself repeating myself. There is a difference between giving a complaint, giving an opinion, and then just bitching in general. People were downright bitching, all because they weren't the guy in the title picture. Not everyone can be, let alone deserves to be, in the title picture.

I'll agree half-way the DP angle could've been badly done regarding the title, now that I see how much bitching its created. But rest assured, it wasn't thought of that it'd create this much of a problem.

So one last time. Complaints are greatly asked for.. because it does indeed help us to see what people dislike. However understand the difference between complaining to help us change for the better. And bitching in general, just to gain spotlight. Obviously we can't change or reverse whats been done.. so addressing it in a respectful manner is fine.. downright bitching and claiming we're trying to run over and hold everyone down, is offensive.

This was my first show, so I don't really know whats going on. But with all of the people in creative also all in the ME, I can asume I know why people are upset. My solution? Give the title to someone who is NOT on creative. Someone deserving who doesn't have the power to just take it.

So.. I should quit? Because you just pointed out my biggest problem with the lot of you. Or perhaps everyone on creative should quit? Because all of us have talent to write. So we shouldn't be objected to being forced to not have equal opportunities.

Yet again, give us until after Kingdom Come to make things better for all of you. If you don't do that, then I don't know what to tell you.. because thats what we've been building for.. and to just quit things now, would be to toss away endless amounts of goals, planning and thoughts for very great angles.. involving EVERYONE!

But thats just my idea. You have to look at it from our point of view as well as us having to see it through your eyes. Everyone see's things different.

I get that its bad to see everyone on creative also with a title. Of course Rios is the only guy on creative with a title.. and I have a shot at that title. Did I not earn it though? Should I go about earning it differently? If so, how?

Or better yet, lets attempt having everyone NOT on creative, see things through our eyes.. like you're wanting us to see through yours? You see.. I get the whole "creative = power hungry" crap.. because dispite our talents in the abilities to RP.. all anyone sees is.. "Hes on creative, thats why hes at the top."

Sincade & Isy aren't anywhere near the top. They've been doing their own storyline quietly, without anyone else. Ricky gave his Championship to someone NOT on creative, through storylines to better that person. Likewise, I gave my Championship to someone, to better that person.

Rios is the only Champion, and albeit issues in the past greatly warrant spark for debate.. JUST GIVE US TIME.. TO MAKE IT WORTH EVERYONE'S WILD!

On a slightly different note, I just read the preview for the next week, and I wasn't on it. So I have two questions. 1, am I going to be a part, and 2, do you mind if I suggest a match? I though there was a place to request matchs, but I can't find it. If I can, I'll just PM you.

Derf, I'm sure you have a role. I won't explain what without giving away storylines..

 

[Derf]

Will, I don't think you, or anyone, should quit. I hate to do this, but I'm gonna compare this situation the the HHH problem. When he has the title, people complain. Because people like to complain. They will complain about everything. Same here. I'm not saying you guys don't deserve whatever titles you have. You do. But so do so many others. And yes, you guys did just give all but one of the titles to people not on creative, and thats a start. And by start, I don't mean keep giving them all away. All I'm saying is that Creative isn't the only people with good RP's. We all have good ones. And I know you know this.

And this "storyline" you speak of... if it does not involve a match, do I still have to RP for anything? If I'm in for a swerve, can I at least know where my charecter is headed? I ask as I'm curious, not complaining. Also because I agree with the "Better RP = Win" method. RPs are really the best way for someone in an e-fed to prove their strength. If we don't RP, what makes our charecters anything at all? Our RPs are really the ONLY way to push someone thats not in a storyline.
And just a note, I'm not Bitching about anything, just offering constructive critisism. I will "bitch" however at Will for even threatening to quit. People will complain, and as someone in control, you should know that. Deal with it

 

[TheOneBigWill]

Will, I don't think you, or anyone, should quit. I hate to do this, but I'm gonna compare this situation the the HHH problem. When he has the title, people complain. Because people like to complain. They will complain about everything. Same here. I'm not saying you guys don't deserve whatever titles you have. You do. But so do so many others. And yes, you guys did just give all but one of the titles to people not on creative, and thats a start. And by start, I don't mean keep giving them all away. All I'm saying is that Creative isn't the only people with good RP's. We all have good ones. And I know you know this.

I think this sums up everything. People love to complain. They'll find something to complain about. Next show we post, if its on time and with proper storylines, someone will complain about the writing. Someone will complain about their character doing something in a match. Someone.. will.. complain.. period.

Its fine to give a complaint. Its okay to add opinions. I WANT THEM. I just want them, respectfully. And this situation has been anything but. Especially when refering to those of us on creative, as "Triple H'ing the Championships" when in all fairness.. Ricky could've easily won the Mayhem title. I could've easily retained the Elite X title.. Reaper could've single-handedly kept the Tag Titles.. so to say we're "H.H.H.ing" the titles, is incorrect.

Its only viewed upon, because noone wants to see ANYONE in creative, with anything other than silent and without storylines. Why? Because as recently seen, people only care about themselves. I myself threw out a challenge for people to read the WHOLE SHOW, instead of just their parts. Thats where a lot of this snowballed from. People don't wanna bother with everyone else's part. Just their own.

And this "storyline" you speak of... if it does not involve a match, do I still have to RP for anything? If I'm in for a swerve, can I at least know where my charecter is headed? I ask as I'm curious, not complaining. Also because I agree with the "Better RP = Win" method. RPs are really the best way for someone in an e-fed to prove their strength. If we don't RP, what makes our charecters anything at all? Our RPs are really the ONLY way to push someone thats not in a storyline.

All I'll say is just wait for the Rp section to be posted by Monday, and you'll see if you're involved in a match. If you're asked to cut a promo, you'll be PMed.

And RPs need to define characters, not just win or lose them matches. D.C. complained about that a few monthes ago. He felt noone understood his character, because he was trying to tell stories through his Rps.. and all people seen was him trying to win a single match, not tell any type of story.

And just a note, I'm not Bitching about anything, just offering constructive critisism. I will "bitch" however at Will for even threatening to quit. People will complain, and as someone in control, you should know that. Deal with it

I'm not trying to be immature about the situation, but when someone comes to me and says.. "You're on creative, because of that you don't deserve a title opportunity, or any type of good storyline." Then I'm going to say to you.. "I quit." Because I KNOW I deserve those things. And if I need to be a "regular" to gain them, so be it.

 

[Reaper]

Okay as a senior member of this fed I have a few thigs to say.

1. Will, you're not going to quit. Your upset that's fine but you're not going anywhere you put too much time and effort as well as te rest of creative.

2. To everyone pissing and moaning about title shots...stop.

3. IMO the fed should be 90% RP wins and 10% Storyline. I say this because if you have too many storyline finishes it tells people that if you have zero RP skills that you can still wi a championship. That is bad. I will not and I refuse to name names, but there are some absolutely atrocious RP'ers in this fed. Not saming Im the greatest promo cutter since the Rock, but I could probably beat a good half of the fed while in a coma.

4. For the love of God let creative do their damn jobs. Honestly, they don't have to tell you a damn thing about how they choose their winners and losers. They don't have to tell you who was storylined and who wasn't, but they do...I wouldn't. I feel they do because they don't want people thinking that they are trying to hog the titles or the wins.

Now I am sure that some of you will go OMG I can't believe he said that!!!!! Kill him! Kill him now, that elitist bastard! I challenge anyone who currently has no title and not in creative to RP against me and I will show you how to get shit done. I'm in two other fed currently and the people that I beat and face week in and week out would demolish everyone not named: Iscriot, Will, Enforcer, Everest, DC, Gus, myself, DP, and DJ. You might not like what I have to say but I say it because it's the truth and damnit it had to be said.

I will now field the line of bitching caused by this post. Please make your line through the door and around the corner as to not hold up traffic. Thank you.

 

[a0161613]

OK I let me sound out because I dont know if i am not being clear or what.

I dont mean to sound like I was majorly bitching. My issues were cleared up after the Lottery.

When I mentioned HHH, I meant only to the World title. The elite x title and mayhem titles have been handled superbly. Maxx and gus deserve their rubs entirely.

And Reaper, I am afraid the hard work put in by you and DP appeared to have been wasted in the opposite way by Kenny and Joe.

I take issue with my name not being in that list but that is something that i have to change your mind over through hard work! And I will because I know DC and DJ will vouch for how much I have improved recently.

MY main issue is with the length of production, that is all. I am not after a show a week! I would be happy with one every 2-3 weeks! I just feel we are all capable of that.

I have thought about this all day and I dont know quite this can be resolved without us all working together.

I will quite happily step up to write three matches every fortnight if you want me. If not I will be quite happy to RP once every 6 weeks.

Will, we obviously dont want you to consider quitting. Just listen to Reaper, he said it best. You are the biggest influence on a lot of us and we get better because of you.

I will back away from the discussion now. Just hope that beyond Kingdom Come, we can carry on stronger.

 

[Deexter Jorgan]

Ok firstly to say that Ricky could of easily retained the Mayhem title please, I have to admit that the first time i was paired with Ricky yes i was green, but guess what...I GOT BETTER, ALOT BETTER

As per previous comments i was never given anything i earned the Mayhem title, I earned my stripes and i did by asking questions, learning, talking to guys like Lee, Will, Ricky, Reaper, DP and the most important person D.C, thats right i learned and i kept coming and coming until that belt was mine, and to say all that jazz about Ricky Easily retaining thats utter Bull and that causes offence to me and anyone who has ever worked there asses off for a title, I addapted to a division that Maxx was never supposed to be involved in and i earned my stripes and Will, Ricky or anyone who wants to challenge me or out rp me for a belt, Im calling you out one match one rp limit, Come and get me because i will not stand for people saying they handed me anything!!!

 

[Steamboat Ricky]

David, cool it. No one said that I would have "easily" retained the title. I don't think that could ever be said...first because writing a quality RP is no walk in the park, it takes time, inspiration, and random creativity....and secondly because you HAVE improved and become a solid roleplayer.

What I think was being referred to, however, is that based off our one on one roleplays over the last two matches we've had, voting went in my favor both times. I thought you were very worthy of winning the title and thought that you deserved the opportunity to hold it. I thought that your entire body of improvement was worthy of winning that belt.

Lastly, lay off the ego trip and save your "promo-cutting" for a role play. Seriously. Quit being offended and crap because people state their "opinions" if you won't let others take offense to hearing your "opinions." This is ridiculous.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

Ok firstly to say that Ricky could of easily retained the Mayhem title please, I have to admit that the first time i was paired with Ricky yes i was green, but guess what...I GOT BETTER, ALOT BETTER

David, this is the most outlandish remark I've read yet. You single-handedly just laid down the assumption that you're better than anyone you've defeated, all because of your Rps.

News flash.. storylines won you that title. Don't you recall losing all those times prior? Why on earth would you continue to get rematches, if it wasn't for storylines playing parts? Ben Legend had that triple threat match won, in MY opinion.. but was over-ruled because creative wanted to push Maxx.

Now with all due respect, you ARE a great Rper.. make no mistake, you are good, great even on some.. but nowhere are you "the best." And certainly, to claim that while Ricky may or may not have "easily" retained, (which I don't feel easily is a proper word and I apologize if I used it) is outlandish. However, you won because of RPing AND Storylines. Which means, you were indeed handed the title in some regard.. because of a push.

To sit here and claim you flat out OUT RPed Ricky under the table. No, they were always even. Thats why the feud continued. Ricky moved on, which is why he lost. And furthermore, Ricky's Meltdown RP should've honestly won him back the title.. but once again, those storylines people are hating so much decided the outcome differently.

As per previous comments i was never given anything i earned the Mayhem title, I earned my stripes and i did by asking questions, learning, talking to guys like Lee, Will, Ricky, Reaper, DP and the most important person D.C, thats right i learned and i kept coming and coming until that belt was mine

Why do you think you got rematch after rematch, when you lost the first few? Normally, is it not "proper" for a loser to go back to the beginning? But instead.. through storylines Maxx remained a very solid character against Ricky. The feud was great and by no means makes either of you look bad.. but you need to understand that you aren't some so-called "gift" to RPing over everyone.

I think now that you truly felt no storyline decided your fate. And I'm sorry David, that you were confused. Because again.. you're a great RPer.. but storylines did indeed decide your fate in some of those matches. (not all, but some, including you winning to begin with) And if you wish.. I can copy & paste the exact conversations in which we tossed over how to go about explaining you defeating Ricky.

and to say all that jazz about Ricky Easily retaining thats utter Bull and that causes offence to me and anyone who has ever worked there asses off for a title

Again, "easily" is the wrong word to use. Ricky never would've "easily" defeated you. But you didn't "cake walk" over him either.. and thats how I see you feel it happened.

Please don't throw anyone and everyone "under the bus" with this. You saying "It causes offense to me and anyone who has ever worked there asses off for a title." No, thats just trying to turn one group against another.

If it offends you, I'm sorry and I apologize dispite feeling I should have to. However you're taking this a bit far into assuming that you ARE "Maxx" and thinking that all of this is real.

I addapted to a division that Maxx was never supposed to be involved in and i earned my stripes and Will, Ricky or anyone who wants to challenge me or out rp me for a belt, Im calling you out one match one rp limit, Come and get me because i will not stand for people saying they handed me anything!!!

This is exactly what I mean. Calling anyone out who feels they can beat you? Challenging Ricky, Myself or anyone else who feels you didn't win 100%.. thats childish to a degree.

This is you, not accepting that storylines play roles in e-feds. More importantly, this is you feeling that you're above everyone else in the understanding that you didn't need a storyline and you won, because you're one of, if not the "best."

 

[Deexter Jorgan]

David, cool it. No one said that I would have "easily" retained the title. I don't think that could ever be said...first because writing a quality RP is no walk in the park, it takes time, inspiration, and random creativity....and secondly because you HAVE improved and become a solid roleplayer.

What I think was being referred to, however, is that based off our one on one roleplays over the last two matches we've had, voting went in my favor both times. I thought you were very worthy of winning the title and thought that you deserved the opportunity to hold it. I thought that your entire body of improvement was worthy of winning that belt.

Lastly, lay off the ego trip and save your "promo-cutting" for a role play. Seriously. Quit being offended and crap because people state their "opinions" if you won't let others take offense to hearing your "opinions." This is ridiculous.

Firstly Ricky im sorry to say this but When i won the title at leathel lottery your roleplay was good but i beat you, secondly Its not an ego trip, Im defending myself and for all that its worth i earned the title in broth confrontations

 

[TheOneBigWill]

What I think was being referred to, however, is that based off our one on one roleplays over the last two matches we've had, voting went in my favor both times. I thought you were very worthy of winning the title and thought that you deserved the opportunity to hold it. I thought that your entire body of improvement was worthy of winning that belt.

This is exactly what I meant, David. You were both evenly matched, and creative did indeed vote in the favor of Ricky through style of RP.. however because RICKY said he wanted someone (not on creative) to hold it. He felt you were the best person for it at that time.

Again, we can more or less copy and paste the entire conversation.. but to be honest, we shouldn't have to.

The point is, noone is saying you're bad, and Ricky & I are both even saying you've come a long way and are one of the great Rpers in W.Z.C.W.. however, don't think for a second you're above us, or storylines deciding things to a degree. When Rps "tie" the storyline is what decides. (remember Reaper's post earlier, 90% RP 10% Storyline?)

Lastly, lay off the ego trip and save your "promo-cutting" for a role play. Seriously. Quit being offended and crap because people state their "opinions" if you won't let others take offense to hearing your "opinions." This is ridiculous.

Someone said it earlier. EVERYONE has a right to their opinion. If we as "creative" have to sit and listen to everyone complain over us.. then everyone needs to respect that its an 50/50 thing and we can complain right back.

That being said, we aren't complaining persay, however you're jumping at us because an issue was brought up that you weren't 100% victorious through RPs alone.. which hurts your pride, I'm sure. Sorry.

 

[Deexter Jorgan]

I feel that my words are being used against me so im not gonna say much else good luck with the fed guys and i hope it all works out im done trying to justify myself

 

[TheOneBigWill]

Firstly Ricky im sorry to say this but When i won the title at leathel lottery your roleplay was good but i beat you, secondly Its not an ego trip, Im defending myself and for all that its worth i earned the title in broth confrontations

Contradicting much?

David, I read you threatening to quit on MSN.. sorry, but if thats the case then you're released. Because I'm not dealing with the immature crap any longer. I figured it was only a matter of time before you did this since you've been throwing your e-fed in our face anyways. (before you even bother, yes you have been)

Look, I DO NOT want you to quit. And you're taking this way too childish. Thats the bottomline. So leave if you want, because I think its beyond time to weed out whiners. We stated an opinion, and you couldn't deal with it. Instead you wanted to hop on this high-horse of yours and ride off into the sunset. Well John Wayne, sometimes the story doesn't always have a happy ending.

 

[a0161613]

I dont know what to say. I really dont. I want to comment and try and get this shit calmed down. But that was rickys thread. But i guess i will be alone in their for a while.

Will, creative should not be forced to break that kind of walls down for us but I do wonder aloud why this sort of thing is not communicated to us. (The 90/10 thing)

Ricky, i hope you give us some great shows. If you need anything doing, let me know. I consider myself as a pretty experienced member of this part of the site so of course i will do what I can.

I am not happy how this has played out but i do want to give this a chance. The PPV will be key and I am looking forward to it!

It is just a shame that DJ wont be there.

 

[Deexter Jorgan]

Contradicting much?

David, I read you threatening to quit on MSN.. sorry, but if thats the case then you're released. Because I'm not dealing with the immature crap any longer. I figured it was only a matter of time before you did this since you've been throwing your e-fed in our face anyways. (before you even bother, yes you have been)

Look, I DO NOT want you to quit. And you're taking this way too childish. Thats the bottomline. So leave if you want, because I think its beyond time to weed out whiners. We stated an opinion, and you couldn't deal with it. Instead you wanted to hop on this high-horse of yours and ride off into the sunset. Well John Wayne, sometimes the story doesn't always have a happy ending.

YOu want me to post the entire MSN convo up will because i can, but you know what I wont, Im done goodluck with the fed and i really hope WZCW goes somewhere but the way you did this Will.....

 

[Iscariot]

and Will, Ricky or anyone who wants to challenge me or out rp me for a belt, Im calling you out one match one rp limit, Come and get me because i will not stand for people saying they handed me anything!!!

Sold.

I've been absent as I've had an accident (I tell you I'm fucking prone to them). I moved too quick upwards at work and jus broke my jaw, it's been wired and will be for a couple of months while it sets. I come back, into the role of Head of Talent Relations. It's my job to talk to you guys and communicate your thoughts and ideas to creative in a calm and non-biase way, as I guarentee Everyone will tell you I'm the most unbiase and easy going guy in the creative team. I I've said it many times, I want to be here to help you guys, why do you think I've honestly never gone for a title?

That being said, I will sort out that challenge for you maximumdj.

=I=
WZCW Inquisitor

 

[Bentallica]

Sold.

I've been absent as I've had an accident (I tell you I'm fucking prone to them). I moved too quick upwards at work and jus broke my jaw, it's been wired and will be for a couple of months while it sets. I come back, into the role of Head of Talent Relations. It's my job to talk to you guys and communicate your thoughts and ideas to creative in a calm and non-biase way, as I guarentee Everyone will tell you I'm the most unbiase and easy going guy in the creative team. I I've said it many times, I want to be here to help you guys, why do you think I've honestly never gone for a title?

That being said, I will sort out that challenge for you maximumdj.

=I=
WZCW Inquisitor

Sorry to say it, Isy, but it seems that ship has sailed. At first, DJ and I were one and the same. We were both kind of green when it came to RPing, but our respective programs with Ricky brought us to the next level. Only difference there is is that DJ got the push. But then he started his own e-fed (of which I am a former member), and then he won the Mayhem title, and his ego has officially gotten the best of him. I completely agree with the 90/10 statement, but DJ believes in his own hype and thinks he won the title on 100% RP skill. It's a shame, too, he could've been something big.

 

[Deexter Jorgan]

Sold.

I've been absent as I've had an accident (I tell you I'm fucking prone to them). I moved too quick upwards at work and jus broke my jaw, it's been wired and will be for a couple of months while it sets. I come back, into the role of Head of Talent Relations. It's my job to talk to you guys and communicate your thoughts and ideas to creative in a calm and non-biase way, as I guarentee Everyone will tell you I'm the most unbiase and easy going guy in the creative team. I I've said it many times, I want to be here to help you guys, why do you think I've honestly never gone for a title?

That being said, I will sort out that challenge for you maximumdj.

=I=
WZCW Inquisitor

cool i accept

 

[Deexter Jorgan]

Sorry to say it, Isy, but it seems that ship has sailed. At first, DJ and I were one and the same. We were both kind of green when it came to RPing, but our respective programs with Ricky brought us to the next level. Only difference there is is that DJ got the push. But then he started his own e-fed (of which I am a former member), and then he won the Mayhem title, and his ego has officially gotten the best of him. I completely agree with the 90/10 statement, but DJ believes in his own hype and thinks he won the title on 100% RP skill. It's a shame, too, he could've been something big.

Ive been constant with the fed and always did everything i could to make sure that I did my job if its either doing a promo video, or doing GFX i was there to do it, and as far as im concerned i elevated my game, im not saying i am the best in the fed all im saying is i earned the mayhem championship so stop complaining and challenge me also

also one other thing, I promote WZCW in my fed, we have a whole feature based on them and promote them In EW shows so as far as im concerned i do not and will not think im bigger then this fed or its members, I like everyone here earned my spot and i wont let anyone else especially you tell me otherwise

 

[TheOneBigWill]

After discussing things with David in a private manner, I'm stating publicly that I apologize to David for any harsh words I used against him on this forum. I'm also apologizing to David for any child-like behavior I displayed toward him as well.

I stand by what I said, however, in saying that unfortunately whether David or anyone else wishes to believe it.. that him winning the Mayhem Championship was under a 90/10 setting. (or sorts) When it came down to it, it was decided upon by creative to pick a winner and a loser. The decision was tied (as we didn't have Sincade then) and Ricky picked Maxx (David) which shouldn't of counted to begin with.

After discussing the situation further, we felt giving Maxx the Championship would better David's character as well as a great opportunity for him to become something "big" in this e-fed. I've personally wanted to see David (Maxx) become a bigger name, and I feel he has. I've also felt that due to his beginnings in his own e-fed.. things have been uneasy in the effort that most of his talent are also W.Z.C.W. talent. Because of that, if David leaves.. I feel uneasy that some others would as well.

I am a man of my word, and I promised David I would apologize publicly. That is for better or worse exactly what I'm doing. David, I am sorry for any child-like behavior displayed, and any harsh words used or said against you. It is up to you to return to the W.Z.C.W. e-fed. If you decide to do so, then nothing shall be held against you. If you decide to leave, then so be it.

As far as everything else we discussed, this is my final take on the situation.. barring any way you could sway me otherwise.

Judging Votes: I agree 90% that someone such as Everest, or anyone else that would be "unbias" and not on staff.. to vote for the winners and losers, based solely off of Rps. I say 90% because whether you like it or not, when you and everyone else joined this forum.. it was in the W.Z.C.W. rules that the staff decide the winners and losers.

The only reason I'm willing to bend this rule, specifically for you, is because staff deserve their far shot and chance at winning Championships and being apart of storylines all the same. My final ruling on this matter.. I'd be fine for someone that EVERYONE can agree upon to be equal and unbias, to judge and pick winners and losers based off Rps. But it WILL be someone from Wrestlezone, as this e-fed is on this forum. And if you or anyone else wish to be apart of it, you will abid by that.

Joint Feds: After giving this a considerable amount of time, I've decided that it is NOT a good idea to merge e-feds. If anyone else on creative feel it could work, then I wish to hear from them. (David, you said Sincade gave you this idea, so I wanna hear from him about it)

The reason I've decided against this, is because you run a weekly show, and we don't. Simple as that. You said storylines could run through both feds, but I fail to see how you could keep storylines that happen (for example) from this recent Meltdown, to then run through 2-3 weeks of storylines on your show, then come back to our next Meltdown without missing a major gap for those who don't join your fed.

The way I see this, is an attempt to completely get everyone on W.Z.C.W. to join E.W. and I won't be apart of that. If anyone wishes to join you and your e-fed, they can, without remorse. But I simply think its in the best interest of both e-feds NOT to merge them. If we did, leadership would be a problem. As well as storylines, and almost everything else. I'm sure you understand this.

In Closing: One more time, and one final time.. David, as a man I apologize to you. You can do the same, and stay, do the same, and leave, or not say a word period. Its your choice. I want to address everyone else, in this however...

Not just David has told me they were wanting to quit. However, unlike the unfortunate issues with David & I, this other individual has come to me quietly and expressed that he has simply been fed up with the way things have gone.. and in part because hes apart of David's group and doesn't feel right about being in both feds. I will not name names, and I expect noone else who knows to do it either.

I will however say this.. it is a very big name in our company, and I'd really rather not lose either David, or the other. However W.Z.C.W. is an e-fed that with or without any of us, will continue. Better or worse, shitty or not.. we will continue. So I hope David & the other will stay. But if they don't.. I'm not going to back down, or bend anymore to attempt keeping people who may feel a type of need to be given something to stay.

I'm sorry to all involved. I apologize to anyone who takes offense. David, I wish you'd stay.. but I won't force you, and I won't beg. Same for the other. Thank You.

 

[Deexter Jorgan]

After discussing things with David in a private manner, I'm stating publicly that I apologize to David for any harsh words I used against him on this forum. I'm also apologizing to David for any child-like behavior I displayed toward him as well.

Ok i thank you for that Apology and ill do the same thing, I didn't mean to bash anyone and i do feel that the comments mad against me where wrong and i was attempting to justify myself, I have no ego per say or anything stating i am the best rper here, the point i was making was that i earned my spot in the fed and i will continue to justify that by doing anything i can and defending my title anyway that is allowed and if i lose then i will keep coming until i reclaim it...

I stand by what I said, however, in saying that unfortunately whether David or anyone else wishes to believe it.. that him winning the Mayhem Championship was under a 90/10 setting. (or sorts) When it came down to it, it was decided upon by creative to pick a winner and a loser. The decision was tied (as we didn't have Sincade then) and Ricky picked Maxx (David) which shouldn't of counted to begin with.

Thats fine by me but again i will justify to say i earned my spot and i will always try and i will not let anyone else tell me otherwise, but i do see your point and i understand how the fed is run

After discussing the situation further, we felt giving Maxx the Championship would better David's character as well as a great opportunity for him to become something "big" in this e-fed. I've personally wanted to see David (Maxx) become a bigger name, and I feel he has. I've also felt that due to his beginnings in his own e-fed.. things have been uneasy in the effort that most of his talent are also W.Z.C.W. talent. Because of that, if David leaves.. I feel uneasy that some others would as well.

Well i did state this before If i choose to leave no one from my fed will follow there is no if i leave you leave sort of loyalty thing going on, I will say this as i have said before I am 100% dedicated to WZCW and the others who rp in my fed are also they only rp in my fed so that they can gain more experience in a weekly environment and help imrpove them vastly for instance Murfish, he is a remarkable talent and has improved dramatically for his WZCW debute, GM has also he is a hell of a talent and you will come to see that once he gets into a big feud, Alex Bowen Milenko to name two great talents who are improving vastly due to there time in both feds the list is endless and i feel it helps WZCW inregards to getting these guys prepared for the environment yes we do things differently but its the work that counts

I am a man of my word, and I promised David I would apologize publicly. That is for better or worse exactly what I'm doing. David, I am sorry for any child-like behavior displayed, and any harsh words used or said against you. It is up to you to return to the W.Z.C.W. e-fed. If you decide to do so, then nothing shall be held against you. If you decide to leave, then so be it.

As far as everything else we discussed, this is my final take on the situation.. barring any way you could sway me otherwise.

Im Not leaving i understand your terms and I will lay balme on myself also and apologise for saying anything that i shouldnt of I AM SORRY TO will Izy or anyone else offended by my remarks

Judging Votes: I agree 90% that someone such as Everest, or anyone else that would be "unbias" and not on staff.. to vote for the winners and losers, based solely off of Rps. I say 90% because whether you like it or not, when you and everyone else joined this forum.. it was in the W.Z.C.W. rules that the staff decide the winners and losers.


The only reason I'm willing to bend this rule, specifically for you, is because staff deserve their far shot and chance at winning Championships and being apart of storylines all the same. My final ruling on this matter.. I'd be fine for someone that EVERYONE can agree upon to be equal and unbias, to judge and pick winners and losers based off Rps. But it WILL be someone from Wrestlezone, as this e-fed is on this forum. And if you or anyone else wish to be apart of it, you will abid by that.

I think this would be a great idea it will stop the complaints and allow staff to be in the title picture that way no one can say that Will didnt deserve this or Rios didnt deserve that because you guys wouldnt be behind the end results

Joint Feds: After giving this a considerable amount of time, I've decided that it is NOT a good idea to merge e-feds. If anyone else on creative feel it could work, then I wish to hear from them. (David, you said Sincade gave you this idea, so I wanna hear from him about it)

I suggested a semi mergance of sorts, but thats fine by me, I dont mind at all i was stating this to allow WZCW a weekly format and i feel that having that would appease the members

The reason I've decided against this, is because you run a weekly show, and we don't. Simple as that. You said storylines could run through both feds, but I fail to see how you could keep storylines that happen (for example) from this recent Meltdown, to then run through 2-3 weeks of storylines on your show, then come back to our next Meltdown without missing a major gap for those who don't join your fed.

Not really you guys would still be incharge we do something similar for another fed, they defend there titles on our show, they decide and they set the storyline we do not and they also decide who gets the win

The way I see this, is an attempt to completely get everyone on W.Z.C.W. to join E.W. and I won't be apart of that. If anyone wishes to join you and your e-fed, they can, without remorse. But I simply think its in the best interest of both e-feds NOT to merge them. If we did, leadership would be a problem. As well as storylines, and almost everything else. I'm sure you understand this.

Im sorry you feel that way, i pitched the idea which was braught to me originally by Sincade, We advertise for WZCW there and I try my best to help in any way that i can, I stated this once before we are not and will not try and steal members away we are only trying to help members develop at a quicker rate and offer them guidance so that when they do come here they are ready for WZCW and there rp skills are up to scratch

In Closing: One more time, and one final time.. David, as a man I apologize to you. You can do the same, and stay, do the same, and leave, or not say a word period. Its your choice. I want to address everyone else, in this however...

I accept your aplogy and hope you accept mine, I am sorry and i will not bring this issue up again Maybe it was miscommunication and i will admit that and apologies as a member of the fed and as someone who is in your shoes its not an easy task trying to sort problems out such as this and appease the members

Not just David has told me they were wanting to quit. However, unlike the unfortunate issues with David & I, this other individual has come to me quietly and expressed that he has simply been fed up with the way things have gone.. and in part because hes apart of David's group and doesn't feel right about being in both feds. I will not name names, and I expect noone else who knows to do it either.

I agree i was more vocal but as i stated before No one will follow me if and when i choose to leave the fed so don't worry

I will however say this.. it is a very big name in our company, and I'd really rather not lose either David, or the other. However W.Z.C.W. is an e-fed that with or without any of us, will continue. Better or worse, shitty or not.. we will continue. So I hope David & the other will stay. But if they don't.. I'm not going to back down, or bend anymore to attempt keeping people who may feel a type of need to be given something to stay.

Im not like that and i dont think he is either, If you want the mayhem title or if you feel someone else should run with it fine I will still be in WZCW none the less Im not here to be the big gun im here to just rp like everyone else and better myself and the fed in any way that i can

I'm sorry to all involved. I apologize to anyone who takes offense. David, I wish you'd stay.. but I won't force you, and I won't beg. Same for the other. Thank You.

Well again i do accept and lay my apology down also, I didn't mean to offend anyone Will as i stated previously Will, Ricky,Reaper helped me to get better, D.C also Sincade (whom i left out) but i have also given to this fed and will continue to do so and do apologies to any who felt that my concerns was moaning as it wasn't that i felt cheated that i was handed something that i didn't earn and still want to prove that i earned this belt, i have gotten better and will continue to thrive working with whomever the bookers decide me to work with

Thank you

 

[a0161613]

I am glad this seems to have been resolved.

I am happy because losing DJ would have been huge, bigger than losing Lee or any of the guys who simply have not bothered to show up in a while

I honestly feel I have a lot to prove to people in this fed so I intend on doing so. This Meltdown has marked the first show where I have helped to take control of GM. I am quite happy for creative to make the storyline going into the PPV, which is the biggest match I have had here and I am looking to come out of that as best as possible.

GM has also he is a hell of a talent and you will come to see that once he gets into a big feud

This is just a huge boost to me. DJ has helped me improve 2000%. All i ask is that I get a program to show it.

I don't know what is planned for me, so I will PM someone about that because I have ideas coming out the wazoo for this match, that could help everyone in it, no matter who they are!

 

[Iscariot]

Again, I'd like to just say that I've been officially named as WZCW Head of Talent Relations. I'm shorting this title to WZCW Inquisitor, in that it's my job to monitor and watch both the talent AND the creative team and ensure the best is done for all involved. In that respect, if you have any questions, queries, ideas or thoughts you can always approach me and I will always be calm, collect and professional in my response. I've never blown up or got emotionally involved (in a negative way) in this fed and I hope I can prove useful to all talent involved.#

=I=
WZCW Inquisitor

 

[a0161613]

Again, I'd like to just say that I've been officially named as WZCW Head of Talent Relations. I'm shorting this title to WZCW Inquisitor, in that it's my job to monitor and watch both the talent AND the creative team and ensure the best is done for all involved. In that respect, if you have any questions, queries, ideas or thoughts you can always approach me and I will always be calm, collect and professional in my response. I've never blown up or got emotionally involved (in a negative way) in this fed and I hope I can prove useful to all talent involved.#

=I=
WZCW Inquisitor

I may go to you Iscy. It would make sense as you are our liason with creative. I am going to iron some details and get back to you.

This certainly does not involved GM going on a Steve Austin like rampage through the roster.