WZCW Discussion Thread

[Miko]

I can't help but feel I've made a grave mistake when the winner of a tournament for a shot at the whc is being debated to be a little green alien or a cardboard robot....

If it makes you feel better neither of us have a shot in hell, well I do, that Krypto on the other hand...

You say that like the robot's scanning equipment has not been picking you up and logging your interest in Technosa.

I see everything.

I actually would like very much like to compete in the tournament, but if I beat Barbosa I probably won't get to, hmm...

With creatives silence over the current title holders situation I rather think I am in a similar boat to you.

 

[FlexAmerican Dynamite]

Sometimes I think it reflects a bit badly on the fed when a cardboard box and an alien are more entertaining then some of the more serious roster.

If it makes you feel better neither of us have a shot in hell, well I do, that Krypto on the other hand...

You do nothing but choke in the Main Event scene, I'll make sure to give you rematches after I beat you for the belt.

 

[Blade]

Well, if Triple X pulls out a great RP for the WZCW Weekend show, THEN I might put him up there.

But he really needs to bring it.

 

[Miko]

Surely it reflects even better on WZCW when such gimmicks could be taken and portrayed seriously enough to considered potential champions?

I think it reflects well on the open mindedness of those in charge as well as the skill of the handlers involved.

In one sentence I managed to kiss arse and blow my own trumpet... Err.

Absolutely. I don't understand why you have to be a "serious" character to contend for the World Heavyweight Championship -- it's all about the story being told and how well you tell it.

Even if you just RP from match to match, as long as your well entertaining.

Sometimes I think it reflects a bit badly on the fed when a cardboard box and an alien are more entertaining then some of the more serious roster.

Only some?

You do nothing but choke in the Main Event scene, I'll make sure to give you rematches after I beat you for the belt.

Cooper would be so proud of you, Sonnening your way into a title match. If I win it and there isn't an immediate challenger for whatever reason you can have a shot at some point very soon. I promise. Now take it up with Falkon. And I've still got to fucking win it yet.

 

[FlexAmerican Dynamite]

Only some?

This was more so directed at DC for his backhanded comment towards us but what the hell I'm willing to say the likes of us are more entertaining then a majority of what has gone on this past cycle.

Cooper would be so proud of you, Sonnening your way into a title match. If I win it and there isn't an immediate challenger for whatever reason you can have a shot at some point very soon. I promise. Now take it up with Falkon. And I've still got to fucking win it yet.

As you can obviously tell I'm just messing around but I'd like a match with SHIT regardless if he does win the belt, obviously I have faith you will. Trash talking my way in is just one of the things that make me a much entertaining opponent for in the next cycle.

 

[Miko]

You do nothing but choke in the Main Event scene, I'll make sure to give you rematches after I beat you for the belt.

Hey wait a minute you little fucker lol! I've had like one World Title shot and my record against the current World Title group is actually pretty good, I just haven't had that many matches against them to test myself. Yeah, that's all it is.

 

[FlexAmerican Dynamite]

Hey wait a minute you little fucker lol! I've had like one World Title shot and my record against the current World Title group is actually pretty good, I just haven't had that many matches against them to test myself. Yeah, that's all it is.

Was wondering when you were going to notice that part lol.

 

[Miko]

This was more so directed at DC for his backhanded comment towards us but what the hell I'm willing to the likes of us are more entertaining then a majority of what has gone on this past cycle.

Krypto and Alhazred has been hilarious, and quite disgusting. I'll admit that SHIT/Barbosa relies a lot more on peeps reading our RP's than just reading the shows.

As you can obviously tell I'm just messing around but I'd like a match with SHIT regardless if he does win the belt, obviously I have faith you will. Trash talking my way in is just one of the things that make me a much entertaining opponent for in the next cycle.

Of course we have to face each other, my only fear is unlike when you first mentioned Krypto vs SHIT and creative said it'd be a bit unfair, now I think you've got a good shot at winning.

 

[FlexAmerican Dynamite]

Krypto and Alhazred has been hilarious, and quite disgusting. I'll admit that SHIT/Barbosa relies a lot more on peeps reading our RP's than just reading the shows.

The thing I love about you two is that regardless of what creative wants to happen or the Hunter Kravinoff situation you two still continue an entertaining narrative that makes up for what may be a lack of good execution on others. Pretty sure you don't even have to follow me or Skull's RP to understand what's going on.

Of course we have to face each other, my only fear is unlike when you first mentioned Krypto vs SHIT and creative said it'd be a bit unfair, now I think you've got a good shot at winning.

You still got the edge but I'm better than I was before, regardless the match will happen before Unscripted, one way or another.

 

[a0161613]

This was more so directed at DC for his backhanded comment towards us but what the hell I'm willing to say the likes of us are more entertaining then a majority of what has gone on this past cycle.



As you can obviously tell I'm just messing around but I'd like a match with SHIT regardless if he does win the belt, obviously I have faith you will. Trash talking my way in is just one of the things that make me a much entertaining opponent for in the next cycle.

What you don't understand is DCs old fed was a traditional. Even Saxton would have been a stretch there. It's not back handed at all.

The bitching here towards new guys get annoying after a while.

 

[FlexAmerican Dynamite]

What you don't understand is DCs old fed was a traditional. Even Saxton would have been a stretch there. It's not back handed at all.

The bitching here towards new guys get annoying after a while.

Calm yourself, nobody is bitching, overreacting towards another's opinion is more eye rolling than anything.

 

[The Crock]

What you don't understand is DCs old fed was a traditional. Even Saxton would have been a stretch there. It's not back handed at all.

The bitching here towards new guys get annoying after a while.

It literally has nothing to do with the fact that he's new. At all. Nor is anybody really "bitching." Stop making a mountain out of a molehill.

 

[Blade]

Me-ow!

 

[TheRealDC]

I wouldn't even call it backhanded... I meant it.

Look, I don't care that an alien and cardboard box robot are actual competitors. I'm not dogging their ability to write good material or an engaging story. In sheer brutal honesty, I don't like it. That's an opinion and simple as that. I'm well aware why it works for others, but if I could get back to where I was at before, there'd be no way in hell I'd allow myself to lose to either one of them. There's no real substance other then a comedy act that would be mid card at best, Santino level (from where my base of opinion is coming from.)

And anybody that wants to speak for me, doesn't need to. I respect everyone here, even if they disagree with me. In turn, I ask that I be allowed to do the same.

To further the point of the original comment, yes it was meant to ignite a flame. But not towards the handlers. But for everyone else to realize they are being left out of a future whc because they cannot overtake a green alien and a cardboard box robot...

 

[Bernkastel]

SHIT as a cardboard box has always thrown me too. I've always imagined him as a human that not only acts like a robot, but his attire in and out of the ring is very mechanical. So instead of Awesom-O, he's actually like the Terminator.

 

[The Crock]

Are you really implying that a comedy act can't bring just as much substance as the most serious of characters? Comedy, like drama, is a medium over which you carry a story/plot/whatever -- to say that you don't take away from them as writers and then to speak badly about their medium is contradictory; what's to say that a comedy character can't be just as effective as, I don't know, Steven Holmes? Titus, one of WZCW's all-time greatest has heavy doses of comedy in his RPs -- would you object to losing to him, too? Maybe it's just that the idea of "allowing yourself to lose" to anybody is hilarious to me -- we all lose, get over it -- but I don't think you're looking at this the right way.

Listen, I get it -- you're not a fan of what they're doing. You don't have to be, but the way you're saying it just seems wrong. You look down your nose at comedy characters, but try to justify it as "just an opinion." I see no reason why SHIT and Krypto shouldn't be able to compete for the same prize that you and I can; then again, I absolutely adore a good comedy character.

Still, to paint comedy characters in such broad strokes -- and to go so far as to say that they lack substance -- isn't right. As a matter of fact, it's one of the more ridiculous things I've seen written in the discussion thread, ever. And, really, if you're comparing either SHIT or Krypto to Santino, it's abundantly clear that you haven't read a thing that they've written (maybe you have, I don't know -- maybe I'm just not following what you're trying to say there).

More power to you for expressing your opinion, but I can't help but disagree.

 

[The Doctor]

If you want to compete at a world champion level, start writing at a world champion level.

One doesn't need to be a box robot to be good but if someone can take the concept and create a powerful and compelling character that's great for comedy or for chilling seriousness then that just shows how much better they are than the shit I've seen in other feds, people with Firstname McLastname characters who claim they've been doing this for ten years but are shitter than me on my worst day. That's not even arrogance, that's others being fucking boring. I've seen plenty of "realistic" characters done excellently and could name them to you. I've seen plenty of "realistic" characters done horribly and can name them to you.

Really, if you can't compete with a fucking box robot maybe the box robot isn't the problem.

This isn't meant to be a shot at you, it just happens to be something I feel strongly about. SHIT isn't even pure comedy. Really if his rep was a person rather than a box-robot you wouldn't be batting an eye, especially if you've read some of his fucking genius serious work like the RPs in the abandoned church.

Comedy is also very, very hard to pull off. Anyone can shit together a page of trash talk but it takes a special person to make another laugh.

 

[FlexAmerican Dynamite]

After all the things the likes of Doc, Skull, Miko, J, Barbosa to an extent, (I'll even add myself in for the sake of bringing it full circle) have done in the Fed we're way past the point of "comedy characters". It's more so characters who don't need to be as traditional and the same as everyone else and are loved for it.

Answer me something, did you hate losing to SaboSax last round?

 

[Blade]

This debate is stupid.

On an unrelated note, I hope that the Wrestlezone Weekend stuff is done in more of a small, intimate setting. It would be cool if the wrestlers hear what the crowd is saying and respond to them and stuff. Like you see it at indy shows. It would just be a fun, different change of pace from the usual, more grandiose WZCW shows.

 

[JGlass]

On an unrelated note, I hope that the Wrestlezone Weekend stuff is done in more of a small, intimate setting. It would be cool if the wrestlers hear what the crowd is saying and respond to them and stuff. Like you see it at indy shows. It would just be a fun, different change of pace from the usual, more grandiose WZCW shows.

That is a pretty cool idea, but it's not the direction we went in. Sorry. Maybe next year.

 

[Blade]

That is a pretty cool idea, but it's not the direction we went in. Sorry. Maybe next year.

I hope you guys give it try eventually.

Although, if all goes according to plan, I'll be on the KC VI main card...

 

[Барбоса]

If it wasn't for the 'comedy' characters, I would have left the fed months ago.

 

[Con T.]

Worth noting; Zeus is just as cartoony as Krypto and SHIT, and just one little adjustment makes him comedy

 

[Viola Moonlight]

Zeus is already comedic. I mean, its hilarious that he thinks he is going to decimate Sandy with his RP. I read it and I was laughing all the way through!

 

[TheRealDC]

Why are things being added to what I said and I'm being given a lesson in comedy.

This isn't a debate or a history class. I'm pretty sure I was clear what my intentions were. To get others to step up because they're being left in the dust by an alien and robot.

Am I bitter that I lost to Saxton and Sabotuer last round? I thought me and Thriller had a chance until I started to see that Saxton had posted a "retirement" RP. At that point in time I knew we were going to lose. No way in hell we were going to win if someone from the fed with that much cred was on his way out. No one needs to bullshit me either, I would have done the same thing.

No one should ever tell me to calm down about losing or even DREAM about me being pissed off that I lost. Characterwise, DC was a main event jobber in MWE. Numbers can back me up on this too. I tossed matches, I didn't give a shit. Bragging mode, I stomped people into the ground with story and promo... And gave them the win if I thought they wrote a damn good RP. I'm a pretty humble dude. Pissing me off is pretty hard. Telling me I'm selfish or egotistical is one of the things that would piss me off. No one kissed my ass, I didn't treat members like shit, and I'm still in contact with a lot of people from MWE. I helped everyone I could, and I rped against others and coached them on how to attack DC and better tell a story. Get to know who you're addressing before throwing out assumptions (the only time I will directly point out a single member in anger, Crock).

Substance can be defined many ways. To me, substance is the weight of the story and the impact it has on the characters, NPCs, and even the fed itself. To me, opinion based, I cannot take an alien and robot seriously. Despite their best efforts. The visual imagery doesn't make sense. I should probably read more, but why would I have to? In the sheer basics of it, it's an alien and robot. DC losing to that would have a direct impact on him. I adapt my characters base to base, RP to RP.... In real life, I wouldn't give a shit.

I get why others like it. I get why comedy characters can be successful and I DO understand that it's hard to maintain an engaging comedy RP and character. I personally, don't like it. I'd rather be honest then pretend to laugh along with everyone else.

Anyone that thinks my mindset is "I'm so much better then everyone" you're wrong. I know where I'm at, and I understand why I'm there. I have a goal to one day reach the main event, but I'm still rusty. Challenging others to step up, including myself, to RP better is a very clear message.