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I agree with DC. If serious characters like Doug Crashin and Cory Allen weren't able to succeed that reflects very poorly on this fed and it's disgusting "comedy" bias. We need more long, serious RPs that drag on forever.

Well I've seen the light. It's obvious I'll never go anywhere doing comedy. After KC say goodbye to Krypto and hello to generic serious RP'er that tries too hard #2968. I look forward to decimating the characters like Saboteur because he's meant to make people laugh and I'm meant to be realistic.
 
Even if I wrote a ten times better RP then Saxton and I'm talking an RP worthy enough to be in the main event at KC... I would have lost if that was indeed Saxton's last match in the fed. I wouldnt have been bitter about it, I would have used it in my next RP. Do I think my RP was a guaranteed win last round? Absolutely not. Nor will I ever claim it was. I thought me and Thriller had a good shot. Obviously it wasn't good enough because we lost. Frustrating? Yeah, we're trying to get TSA a win to make it look better.

We weren't guaranteed a win in that match; I just wrote a great RP. Oh, Doc's was okay too I guess.
 
Wow. Alright then. Thanks everyone for completely missing a point and hanging onto something someone else said. I never said I like long boring generic reality based RPs. I'm not saying we should all be generic rpers. I'm saying I'm not a fan of excessively gimmicky characters (to use Doc's terminology). I'm not trying to change the fucking world. I'm simply not a fan.
 
And if we had straight up just lost to Saxton and Saboteur without Saxton retiring, my feelings would the same, I didn't care that we lost. But Saxton was going to retire, so I knew we were going to lose, again I still don't care that we lost.
 
Sorry DC, but you weren't automatically guaranteed to lose just because Saxton was retiring. If you had out RP'd them, then you would've won the match, plain & simple.
 
TheRealDC said:
And if we had straight up just lost to Saxton and Saboteur without Saxton retiring, my feelings would the same, I didn't care that we lost.

If it helps, there's only guy who can win against being Henry'd.
john-cena-divorce-gi.jpg

Ironic, isn't it?
 
I do like that we're discussing this. I really like it, in fact. In another fed I'm in, most characters are fairly grounded in reality, but they do have quite a few gimmicky characters, like an alien that looks like a human female, a full Juggalo heel gimmick, etc. Hell, I use Erin Toyota in it, so...

I find it interesting to see peoples' opinions. Personally, I think a well-written gimmicky character (I hate using "comedy" because it really undersells the gimmicks thanks to the connotations) are just as good and hard to do as a well-written "realistic" character. In fact, I'm betting realistic characters are far harder to write in many ways because jesus christ one wrong move and you've landed smack-dab in the boring-as-shit territory.

It's no coincidence that Joe West had to exist before Krypto did. And both Krypto and SHIT both had to suck before improving. I'd like to think both guys would admit that.

I'd imagine comedy is difficult to do because exactly the same reasons as serious characters. If you don't get your humour across then it can be a big miss. Likewise some people are just more suited to writing serious characters.

But as everyone missed the point, I'll shut up now.
 
It's no coincidence that Joe West had to exist before Krypto did. And both Krypto and SHIT both had to suck before improving. I'd like to think both guys would admit that.

I'd imagine comedy is difficult to do because exactly the same reasons as serious characters. If you don't get your humour across then it can be a big miss. Likewise some people are just more suited to writing serious characters.

But as everyone missed the point, I'll shut up now.

Comedy is in all honesty far more difficult to do well. (Unless the LOLSORANDOM humour works on you, in which case rabbit pancake cereal)

My view on this is almost the same as DC. I think that it's less that comedy characters are limited but rather that when writing comedy your characters often have to become increasingly less nuanced to find new humour. As a result characters like Krypto and Saboteur (as examples and because they're the most outright comedy writers) lose a lot of the subtlety over longer periods of time that made them interesting in the first place.

I'm not saying that those characters are like that now but at some point the jokes will run dry and the character will either need to be made even more outrageous (at the risk of alienating people who like him now) or brought back to reality a notch (with potentially the same outcome) that's why comedy characters struggle to make any real impact in the main event, because the limitations of the genre they've chosen to work in naturally limits the things they can do or say.

TL;DR - comedy characters struggle in the main event everywhere because the genre is self-limiting and humour is too subjective.
 
Comedy is in all honesty far more difficult to do well. (Unless the LOLSORANDOM humour works on you, in which case rabbit pancake cereal)

My view on this is almost the same as DC. I think that it's less that comedy characters are limited but rather that when writing comedy your characters often have to become increasingly less nuanced to find new humour. As a result characters like Krypto and Saboteur (as examples and because they're the most outright comedy writers) lose a lot of the subtlety over longer periods of time that made them interesting in the first place.

I'm not saying that those characters are like that now but at insome point the jokes will run dry and the character will either need to be made even more outrageous (at the risk of alienating people who like him now) or brought back to reality a notch (with potentially the same outcome) that's why comedy characters struggle to make any real impact in the main event, because the limitations of the genre they've chosen to work in naturally limits the things they can do or say.

TL;DR - comedy characters struggle in the main event everywhere because the genre is self-limiting and humour is too subjective.

Shut the fuck up.
 
Wow. Alright then. Thanks everyone for completely missing a point and hanging onto something someone else said. I never said I like long boring generic reality based RPs. I'm not saying we should all be generic rpers. I'm saying I'm not a fan of excessively gimmicky characters (to use Doc's terminology). I'm not trying to change the fucking world. I'm simply not a fan.

Understood, but it comes across as though you're trying to enforce your opinion on the rest if the fed.

And again, I know, that's not what you're trying to do.

But it sure does come across that way.

And if we had straight up just lost to Saxton and Saboteur without Saxton retiring, my feelings would the same, I didn't care that we lost. But Saxton was going to retire, so I knew we were going to lose, again I still don't care that we lost.

Couldn't it be possible you did straight up lose to Saxoteur without the retiring? And that isn't a knock on you in the slightest; hell, your RP was in my top five that week. But Saxoteur is one of the best things going in the fed for a reason.
 
I wouldn't even call it backhanded... I meant it.

Look, I don't care that an alien and cardboard box robot are actual competitors. I'm not dogging their ability to write good material or an engaging story. In sheer brutal honesty, I don't like it. That's an opinion and simple as that. I'm well aware why it works for others, but if I could get back to where I was at before, there'd be no way in hell I'd allow myself to lose to either one of them. There's no real substance other then a comedy act that would be mid card at best, Santino level (from where my base of opinion is coming from.)

And anybody that wants to speak for me, doesn't need to. I respect everyone here, even if they disagree with me. In turn, I ask that I be allowed to do the same.

To further the point of the original comment, yes it was meant to ignite a flame. But not towards the handlers. But for everyone else to realize they are being left out of a future whc because they cannot overtake a green alien and a cardboard box robot...

Thanks a lot bud, now everyones gonna try harder and I wont get any more sexxy wins. As I said before though, its not like either of us are streaking ahead and I'll be pleasantly surprised if either of us win the World Title Shot, I get your point about imagery and in a real wrestling promotion mid card comedy may well be the case, although I'd always site heel Doink as an example of what could be, I was actually bloody proud of heel SHIT, but that to me is the appealing factor of E-Fedding. Breaking conventions and all that jazz.

I suppose I should offer to give you a match when you feel like your back to where you were or something equally dramatic.

Worth noting; Zeus is just as cartoony as Krypto and SHIT, and just one little adjustment makes him comedy

Just one little adjustment makes me comedy, cant remember the last time I wrote purely for lol's. But then I am not funny like Saboteur and couldnt try to be, people tell me my serious stuff is better, I think thats because like the clown from "It" I was trying to turn stuff that should be funny against itself. Oddly enough I try to keep my RP's grounded in some kind of reality.

As Doc said being labelled comedy is not entirely correct, I just write a character who like other characters is funny, serious, dangerous and stupid, made harder because its not natural to him, and it pleases me that people want to read it. Gimme a more normal character and I like to think he'd be just as, if not more interesting.

I get why others like it. I get why comedy characters can be successful and I DO understand that it's hard to maintain an engaging comedy RP and character. I personally, don't like it. I'd rather be honest then pretend to laugh along with everyone else.

I can respect that.

Anyone that thinks my mindset is "I'm so much better then everyone" you're wrong. I know where I'm at, and I understand why I'm there. I have a goal to one day reach the main event, but I'm still rusty. Challenging others to step up, including myself, to RP better is a very clear message.

Its a goal we share, cheers for the attempted sabotage ;)

Basically put, the mindset of this fed is that if you have a character that is able to write excellent story and put out amazing RP's, you'll do well, regardless of character gimmick. Ty Burna, a character based around the supernatural (something that doesn't exist in this world), held the World title for a year because he was that good. Alex Bowen, a character was and still is real (implementing elements of his own life), held the Mayhem title for nearly as long. Both reigns impressive because of the story-telling both men were able to produce.

So yeah - as long as you write good stories consistently, you'll be reaping the rewards.

I do enjoy the irony that most people who complain about gimmicks slobber over The Undertaker.

Consider it squashed. I got upset only about tripping on my own ego (so to speak).

Otherwise, I do agree with Doctor, it is an interesting conversation. Maybe my opinion is more based towards the imagery. In a Mikey Stormrage vs S.H.I.T. match, to me Mikey (and this is all based on the realism of the match) should destroy him. I know the ins and outs of why people win in a fed. Best RP wins, someone mentioned that, totally 100% agree. It's up to Yaz to step up to the plate. If he doesn't, and DC faces him the show after, that would be one of, if not the first thing DC brings up.

If DC were to face S.H.I.T., I would be dead set on posting an RP that would be so good there wouldn't be a way for DC to lose. No ego included, I'd just make damn sure I produced something to win that match. If I lost, I'd make sure in my follow up to address it before someone used it against me. So on and so forth.

You'd use the fact that Stormrage couldnt beat a guy whos beat World Champions against him? :/

That said I'd like to see this unbeatable RP one day and I am pleased that if nothing else I bring a sense of competitiveness out of people. When I was in a World Title match the common theme amongst my opponents was "I am not letting that guy win."

I agree with DC. If serious characters like Doug Crashin and Cory Allen weren't able to succeed that reflects very poorly on this fed and it's disgusting "comedy" bias. We need more long, serious RPs that drag on forever.

Eurgh, with added teenage angst.

Wow. Alright then. Thanks everyone for completely missing a point and hanging onto something someone else said. I never said I like long boring generic reality based RPs. I'm not saying we should all be generic rpers. I'm saying I'm not a fan of excessively gimmicky characters (to use Doc's terminology). I'm not trying to change the fucking world. I'm simply not a fan.

You need both to keep up a level of interest I feel. Holmes and S.H.I.T co-exist.

It's no coincidence that Joe West had to exist before Krypto did. And both Krypto and SHIT both had to suck before improving. I'd like to think both guys would admit that.

I'd imagine comedy is difficult to do because exactly the same reasons as serious characters. If you don't get your humour across then it can be a big miss. Likewise some people are just more suited to writing serious characters.

But as everyone missed the point, I'll shut up now.

I sucked because it was my first attempt at writing, I'd argue there should be less of a distinction and just settle for "whats good is good."
 
To be completely honest though - the best type of characters are the ones with their handlers being on creative because that means we automatically get pushed to the top (see: World title at Kingdom Come V). I only decide to let other people win in my matches because I'm unselfish like that.
 
To be completely honest though - the best type of characters are the ones with their handlers being on creative because that means we automatically get pushed to the top (see: World title at Kingdom Come V). I only decide to let other people win in my matches because I'm unselfish like that.

I remember when creative at least pretended like you could earn title shots.

I also remember the Crashin Movement, those were better days.
 
When I read LL where DC had the net-gun, I thought "DC" was Doug Crashin' and DC (the poster) had Jeff Hardy as a crazy-off-his-ass street preacher. I'm glad that wasn't the case.
 
To be completely honest though - the best type of characters are the ones with their handlers being on creative because that means we automatically get pushed to the top (see: World title at Kingdom Come V). I only decide to let other people win in my matches because I'm unselfish like that.

Well you've already had your undeserved run at the top.
 
Who would you add to a Matt Striker and Joey Styles commentary booth to make it even more intolerable to you?

Assuming that team was commentating all matches, rank these from most to least tolerable:
  • 60 minute ironman between AJ Styles and Christopher Daniels
  • Barbwire deathmatch
  • Undertaker vs Mankind HIAC
  • John Cena vs CM Punk (MITB '12)
  • Khali vs Giant Gonzalez
  • a 20 minute X-Division triple threat match
  • Bella Twins vs Velvet Sky and Miss Tessmacher for 15 minutes
 
Who would you add to a Matt Striker and Joey Styles commentary booth to make it even more intolerable to you?

Assuming that team was commentating all matches, rank these from most to least tolerable:
  • 60 minute ironman between AJ Styles and Christopher Daniels
  • Barbwire deathmatch
  • Undertaker vs Mankind HIAC
  • John Cena vs CM Punk (MITB '12)
  • Khali vs Giant Gonzalez
  • a 20 minute X-Division triple threat match
  • Bella Twins vs Velvet Sky and Miss Tessmacher for 15 minutes

...wrong thread.
 
It's no coincidence that Joe West had to exist before Krypto did. And both Krypto and SHIT both had to suck before improving. I'd like to think both guys would admit that.

I'd imagine comedy is difficult to do because exactly the same reasons as serious characters. If you don't get your humour across then it can be a big miss. Likewise some people are just more suited to writing serious characters.

But as everyone missed the point, I'll shut up now.

Nobody missed any point, it's called expressing an opinion and having an interesting debating. Nobody hates DC for expressing his feelings, most just find it to be flat out wrong, which it is.
 

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