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Great show guys, and a great lead up to our biggest show in the year.

And for those who are wondering, yes, Ben Legend is legitimately injured, and will be out for a while. I've been pretty busy lately, and I don't know when I'll have time to RP in coming weeks. But I will be back as soon as my schedule lightens up, which could possibly be in the coming weeks after school lets out.
 
Well now that the Tag Team Tournament is over (go congragulate Shocky and Polly) I am ready to start posting RPs and get my charecter debuted. I just have two questions.

1) Where do I post my RP?
2) Am I writing a match for myself, or more of a promo?

I know they probably sound stupid to alot of you regulars, but I'm still new to e-fedding. I will eventually get the hang of it, and I will RP my butt off, and maybe even do a few jobs just for the hell of it, I don't need the Cena formula to help me.
 
Well now that the Tag Team Tournament is over (go congragulate Shocky and Polly) I am ready to start posting RPs and get my charecter debuted. I just have two questions.

1) Where do I post my RP?
2) Am I writing a match for myself, or more of a promo?

1.) They'll make a thread where you can post your RP

2.) It's more of a promo (ex. why you're better than your opponent)
 
Exactly. When myself and the rest of the staff post matches we will create a seperate thread for everyone that is involved in a certain match to post their RP's. Since you are new I will explain the rules. RP's for Meltdown have an unlimited RP limit so you can RP as many times as you want. When its a PPV there is a 1 RP limit so make sure that RP is the best you have. If you have any question please dont hesitate to PM either myself, Ricky, Iscy or Will (when he returns)
 
Thanks for all the support guys I really am honored that you all have positive opinions of me. It is only because of the competition that I hone my skills and get better. So thanks to all of you because you are the ones that make Everest what he is.

to the creative guys and the writers. Another awesome show, great stories, beautiful Lethal Lottery match and wonderful lead ins to several new directions.

Everest will always be around that World Title, Rios you can't keep it forever :) I'll get my reign don't you worry :)

Take care guys, see you all at meltdown!

Everest
 
I have a question... and I know a lot of people have said this before... but is anyone reading my RPs at all, lol.

I mean, I have seen feedback for almost everyone, and I know I myself don't leave that much feedback... but I'm a fan of the "one good turn deserves another"... so, I just wanna know, because I've gotten nothing... no feedback... no props... no support... although Will has told me that my RPs are good on MSN... thats about it, lol.

So I just wanna get that out there... I'll start leaving more and more feedback, as long as I get some feedback in return...

btw... great show guys, and I marked out to how you guys used my fans, that was brilliant, couldn't have asked for more. Thank you.
 
To be honest DC i think the leaving feedback thing should be adopted by many more more people, especially in the "dead time" in between RP deadline and show posting. I try and leave as much as possible because i agree in the same philosophy.

I certainly feel your RP was as good as any (the use of your fans in yours was brilliant) and i thought you really were in contention to win it.

But as i mentioned a few posts back, i do not get the impression that the RP quality is taken into account as much as it should. I thought you would be in there until very close to the end.
 
The problem is that WZCW concentrates more on storyline then RP quality, RPs are still a factor but not as much as other feds, so i think that this may be the reason why lack of feedback comes, i for one love to leave feedback if you dont know where your going wrong or where your stregths lie then your in trouble
 
RE: The Roleplay Issue

It is being said, as of late, that Role-Plays are not being taken into account regarding the outcome of matches. Whilst it is true we have some storylines planned out, with certains wrestlers poised to pick up victories, we always, always, inform the wrestler 'taking a dive' as it were of our plans. If they disagree, we do not ignore them and run the storyline anyway, we scrap the storyline full stop and work with something else in regards to both individuals. I reposted the Rules & Guidelines myself last week before this whole thing started just for this reason, so everyone can see how we're operating. You'll notice a rule starting if you feel you should of done better or won your match, you can contact me (just me now) and I'll explain why the match went the way it did.

If you do not come up with a storyline for yourself, you are accepting that we will come up with one for you. You can refuse a storyline if we talk to you about it by all means, and we will not look badly upon you and job you for a decade - Hell, you put out consistantly good Role-Plays we won't job you period, as you WILL win your matches.

The Lethal Lottery Match, probably the hardest match anyone could ever write, would be even more difficult if we as a creative team had sat down and argued about every single elimination and who should be left in with who, who should eliminate who, what number you picked, and every other little detail, and then forced Will into a position where he couldn't write naturally or with an even flow because every other sentance would have to be planned based around the specific order we gave him. It was bad enough that we had to read through the Role-Plays available and give Will the rather strict guidlines we did have. Asking him to commit to that when in all honesty Will (and myself for that matter) came into the staff for creative reasons only, and were not suppose to be writing matches, would be brutal and probably not fair on him. Most of the later eliminations were made by certain people to set up certain wrestlers for future pushes and give them Role-Play material for when they have to compete with those indiviuals, but of course no-one thinks of that. The fact that he commited himself to writing a FORTY SIX THOUSAND WORD MATCH, and had it posted before any other match was done, is a credit to him. I apologise for anyone that feels they came out badly in that match, and if you PM me I will personally apologise to you indiviually.

This message is not a shot or attack at anyone, it is in response to the growing feeling that seems to be wavering underneath the foundations of this eFed. a0161613, I have spoken with you about how you were represented in the match and in previous matches, and the moveset you seem to have been lumbered with and with that in mind I will try and correct that.

But I will end with this; ANYONE who thinks that I am screwing you out of well deserved wins or placing a storyline above the rules which I myself reposted for the attention of everyone (staff included), or believes that I would sit back, ignore and fail my own integrity, and let the rules be ignored for the sake of a main event spot on a make believe game played on the internet between people I'll never meet, I'm begging you now to let me know.

Iscariot
WZCW Inquisitor
 
It is ok Iscy, i really appreciate the effort that you (all three of you and recently, you in particular) put in. I bet the LL match was a bitch to write and it was amazing Will did it as quick as he did. Like i said before it was very well put together.

I know you are addressing the GM writing issues and i am sure we will see the results of that soon enough.

What i guess we would all like to see see is the posting of the next Meltdown card. IMO the next show is as important as the show itself being posted. If we can start getting the speed up on these things then i honestly believe a large part of the discontent will stop around here.

Whilst i am not saying we need another voice on creative (i am certain you would all disagree with that) i definitely believe that the idea of having someone to bounce ideas off of or having someone there to take a bit of the workload would not be a bad idea.

So maybe the match writing gets assigned before the RP deadline with two endings. As this leaves creative with a minimal amount of work to do in creating the show, it would let them get on with what they are supposed to do (deciding winners, creating subsequent shows etc).

I honestly reckon that if we get some momentum then we will have a happy group here.

Let me know what you think. I am open to writing matches providing GM's RP are posted first. Unemployment sucks but i am thinking that i have more time at the moment.
 
Ok, I know enforcer said card posted by tonight, but realistically, don't be surprised if it's not up tonight. There's a lot of things that need to be sorted out before we post the card, and it's partly my fault for not getting on it sooner. I know I was exhuasted after LL (I mean I fought in 2 brutal matches :p), and I had graduation stuff all weekend. That, on top of trying to find a job, I've just been trying to get a lot of stuff done. But fear not, it is being discussed this very second, and we are trying to get everyone involved. Thanks for your patience.
 
If you guys need any help let me know. I can at least write matches. In fact I'll post my top 3 so the people in charge can look at them.
 
We're working dilligently on getting the card finalized.


In the meantime, somebody cut a promo that is going to make me take notice. Somebody thrill me. Somebody earn a push.
 
CARD IS UP!!!! Go Rp!



Edit: If you are not on the card please do not complain, there are only so many people we can fit into 1 show. You will be used on the next one. Thank You
 
And now the negatives...

I dont mean for this to be longer but it is just the way that it is going to be I'm afraid.

Constructive criticism is always welcome, but you don't have to boast about it by saying you don't mean for it to be longer but it will be. Thats like saying. "I don't mean to bitch, but I am." (which noone in their right mind would say that, when they knew all along they were going to complain)

Everest not winning was a bad call. And through yet another screwy Dynasty ending too. Comparisons to HHH 2003-04 in my eyes are justified. Sad but true because the timing was perfect.

(Let me add that I guess creative have something in mind to do with Will vs Rios. I think Dynasty could have had a longer lifespan but i understand the decision to do the break up angle in time for their "Wrestlemania" PPV)

This is one part fan, one part critic. When you're a 'fan' saying you felt it was a screw-job.. then we (creative) did our job perfectly because it means you dispise and hate Joseph Rios as Champion even more, which is a great thing.

When you're a 'critic' and you say its a bad call, that means you not only are bad mouthing the RP that Rios put forward, but you're accepting that Everest had no say or agreement in what happened. So unless you had a private conversation with Everest (which I'm sure you didn't, since his agreement of the situation is a PM sitting in my inbox) then please be careful how you address the situation.

In other words, please don't act as if you're speaking on behalf of someone. Unless they want you to.

This is probably the bit that I am personally most annoyed at.

I know Grand Mystique looks like Rey but I can't believe how he has been used in the past couple of weeks. In the last Meltdown match, he was doing top rope leg drops etc and in the biggest WZCW match yet, he has two moves before he gets eliminated; a 619 and a hurracanrana!

I fully apologize to you for the misuse of your character. And I'll explain this to you, as well as EVERYONE ELSE.

When "I" write matches that involve several Superstars, I don't keep up each Superstar's profile and stop 50 plus times in between, to look at their profile to make sure I'm adding each of their specific moves. Instead, what I do when I write.. is I take their wrestler description (picture) and invision that guy facing their opponents wrestler description.

G.M., your description was Rey Mysterio. I've since been reinformed that you originally wanted M.V.P. with a mask. So hopefully David can work his magic for you.

Until then I fully give you the backing to write your own matches. Since you're upset in how your character is being used through his matches, unless its a huge match that only involves you in a quarter of it, you can write your own matches, so there won't be anymore trouble with how you're being written about.

HOWEVER I implore to you, if you take this challenge.. as a writer, we'd still respectfully like if you could write other matches for us as well. And when you do write your own, if you take that responsibility, its in that responsibility that you write an equal match instead of making yourself look good.

"I" personally write most all of my own matches, and some big matches for W.Z.C.W. As such, I don't take a biased side in writing my guy over the other. If anything, if you read my matches, I've made Gus look quite powerful over me several times. And thats what I'd hope you can do, if you begin writing your own stuff.

It is not the way i was eliminated that is really getting on my tits here (though it does bug me) but I have to believe that my RP deserved a lot better than that!

First, what bugs you about how you were eliminated? If I recall, it was by a Willennium by the guy who won.. which doesn't make you look bad at all.

Second, your RPs are definately quality filled, however I'm beginning to think you're blurring the lines between RPs and storylines.

Earlier you got upset about storylines deciding the winners/losers. When I can say first hand, if RPs were the main thing that decided the winners/losers, only.. you wouldn't be undefeated.

Thats not me trying to degrade you, and I FULLY APOLOGIZE to you if you feel it does. I'm just saying, you're contradicting yourself in a lot of ways.

You said you felt your RP deserved better, and in truthfulness, IT DID.. however I wrote a match with 30 different people.. most of which had storylines blurring into the match that I had to keep track of. As a result, I'm sorry that I couldn't focus on any one individual.

It is hard to swallow that I honestly reckon GM got treated like a bit of a jobber here.

A jobber is someone who loses, so by this logic you joined 29 other guys. Its not like you were the only one.

Furthermore, loses DO NOT COUNT in the Lethal Lottery/Royal Rumble type match.. as you weren't pinned, or submitted.

I'm sorry you felt like a jobber, but I'm sure you aren't the only one. Roughly 8 guys got destroyed by Manzo, without ANY offense. Some of those guys were David's.. but hes not complaining, because he understood the storyline and who he was against.

D.C. had quite possibly one of the best RPs out of the whole thing, but he accepted not winning for a different storyline for himself.

I could understand if some sort of future program came out of it but nothing of the sort has happened here.

Once again, I apologize to you if I've offended you with what I say, or the match I wrote. If anything, you're offending me because I took a great deal of time to write that match to the best of my ability, and the first thing I see is someone complaining greatly because they (as 1 outta 30) weren't used in a better role.

Furthermore, I want you to specifically know.. I PUT you in at a later number, because you were a bigger name. Your elimination shouldn't be what you focus on, so much as what you did for the time (short or not) that you were in. YOU GOT IN AN ELIMINATION! How many other people can say that?

An elimination means you're being slightly focused on, and anything but a jobber.

As such, it feels to me (and i dont know how anyone else feels) that stories are being out in advance (which i approve of) regardless of the RP quality being submitted (which i do not like at all.)

This is something I do take offense from. As a member of creative, I personally bust my butt to create good, if not great storylines for everyone involved. And for the 3rd or 4th time I personally apologize to you.. however, for you to say you dislike storylines being laid out.. is you saying..

"I'd rather we didn't have storylines at all, and RPs are the only thing that decided winners and losers."

If thats what you want, then be careful what you ask for.. because that means you'd have to fight A LOT harder, and RP A LOT more before you were even thought of for a title shot of any kind. Why? Because guys like Manzo, Everest, D.C., Rios, Gus, and practically everyone else was here before you.. which means you'd have to work your way up the card.. not just be handed a spot.

G.M.. I personally handed you your spot. I personally backed you to be something big. And I feel offended by what you've said, because you are roughly slapping me in the face for the work that I've done.. all because you got eliminated quickly, from a match that even if RPs were the ONLY deciding factor, you still wouldn't have won.

I am going to PM someone, probably Will, with a program to push the hell out of GM. Not that i believe he (I) is better than anyone else but simply due to the fact that he is probably the only character without a regular fued at the moment.

I got your storyline.. creative now knows about it. As you can tell, you're involved in a MITB (King For A Day) type match. Its up to you, as to where you go.

Because if you don't want me pushing for you in storylines and you strictly wanna rely on your RPs.. thats fine by me. You're a great RPer.. but without storylines, I think a lot of you who complain will find out just how quickly things suck.

If it all goes to plan then it will give GM (and the opponent) something to go for until Kingdom Come (and maybe beyond).

This last statement by you is exactly what I'm refering to. Its your job to focus on yourself. Its MY job, and the job of the creative staff to focus on EVERYONE.

Its so easy for any one person to say.. "I've sent a storyline in for MY character and whoever my opponent might be." But until you know just how rough it is in creatives shoes to sit down and think out storylines for multiple people.. please don't complain about how creative does their job.

G.M. for the final time.. I don't want you leaving, incase anything I've said offends you. I'm speaking my mind much like you spoke yours. I'm still a big supporter of you, minus your perspective on a few things. I still wanna see you become something big, but you have to understand you aren't just handed "big spots" because you demanded one. I hope this clears up a few things. Thank you.
 
EVERYONE: This is it's own post because everyone needs to read it.

I've been very soft on allowing the amount of spam that comes through here. But I asked not too long ago for people to ease up on exactly how much spam they do.

Examples are people who say random things that have no meaning to anything in W.Z.C.W.. and others who post saying "The show is up." Without saying anything else.

If you're a member of W.Z.C.W. (that isn't on creative) then either someone on creative can inform everyone that the show is up.. or I'm quite sure you can see for yourself when something new has been posted in that section.

Everyone has the ability to post their opinions on the show, as Alex (GM) has done. I'm very open to constructive criticism and I encourage it. It helps us on creative to know how each of you truly feel. However when you post saying stuff like "Show's up, I'll comment later." All that is, is shameless post-count boosting.. and from here on..

ANYONE who continues with posts like those.. will receive an infraction for spamming. I'm not trying to be harsh, I'm not trying to be hard. But I am a mod over this section, and everyone else over every other section has to follow the rules. We aren't different, which means we follow the rules..
 
I would like to just mention that Will, as always, has the backing of the rest of Creative, and his thoughts above indeed echo my own. I would like to again extend my offer that if anyone has a problem with how their character is used or wishes to comment on anything else, I will take any and all PM's and will reply with 24hrs (barring emergency obviously).

=I=
 
I would like to just mention that Will, as always, has the backing of the rest of Creative, and his thoughts above indeed echo my own. I would like to again extend my offer that if anyone has a problem with how their character is used or wishes to comment on anything else, I will take any and all PM's and will reply with 24hrs (barring emergency obviously).

=I=

Thank You Isy.

I'd like to add personally, that I never mean to offend anyone and while I could very likely come off harsh, I don't mean to. Its just my way of getting a stern and strong point across.

Furthermore, I want to say this to every member of the W.Z.C.W. roster.

If ANY of you have any issues with how you're being written in matches, and feel you can write yourself in a better manner.. by all means, I beg you to step up to the plate and begin writing your own matches. It would greatly help us find a cure for the missing piece regarding lack of writers. And it'll solve a lot of issues, for those who disapprove of how they're being written.

ALL I ASK.. is if you take this responsibility, you MUST show respect to the opponents you'll be writing your guy against as well. You can not make yourself look unstoppable, or dominating. (short of being Manzo, of course :p)

Furthermore, promos/segments are the exact same way. D.C. asked a while back if he could begin writing his own promos, because he didn't like that we continued to have his character smoking. I'm perfectly fine with D.C., and anyone else writing your own promos.. as long as it fits the guidelines of where we're going with your storyline.

(In other words, I don't want someone like E2 writing an interview segment about how hes going to defeat Joseph Rios and win the World Title because hes the greatest thing on the roster. That shit won't fly.)
 
Will, Ricky, Enforcer...hell everyone who has read my first thoughts of the Lethal Lottery event.

Let me just say that this is a humble pie eating contest featuring...me! With the exception of one point.

I did address what I saw as the good points of the show and unfortunately what i saw as the bad came spilling out much easier than the good. It was a great event and much of my venting was simply due what I thought as a premature exit for GM.

Since the LL, you may or may not be aware by reading the previous posts that I have been in contact with Iscy about "taking control" of GM with a storyline.

As a result I am considerably more appreciative of creative and the work they put in behind the scenes. Both Will and Iscy have approved of me taking control of writing GM's matches for the near future and i hope to make good by them by making these matches great for everyone to read.

Looking back my comments were extremely harsh and were simply born out the fact that I thought a wrote an absoloute killer of an RP, certainly as good as i have ever produced but it got me absolutely nowhere.

While i still agree with myself about the quality of the RP and how quickly GM was taken out of the match, the way i expressed my feelings about the way GM was eliminated were very poorly put together. I was out of line with what i said.

I am grateful to have the responsibility of taking on GM's matches and feel that the point i have made in my previous posts, have been fully addressed. I hope whatever i can contribute will make a difference.

I know the better guys have been here longer than me. I certainly don't consider myself as better than anyone. I feel that in this fed, anyone can beat anyone and that is a strength in depth to have.

I know that what you have planned for the future here (on Meltdown and PPV) will justify what has been aimed at me. I guess i should appreciate the higher power and knowledge that creative have.

With that I hope that Will and Ricky (in particular, as they have taken the time and effort to respond to me) will accept my heartfelt apologies. And here's to making this place better than we know it can be.

Onto something a little bit different, my RP should be posted by the weekend and the match should be there written and formatted by Monday.
 
Deadline is today! We still have people who have not Role-Played, and as your WZCW Inquisitor I will bury you without mercy behind the scenes if you fail me...

... Ok, so I wont, but I will make sure any push you might of been up for will be threatened with a short and abrupt end.

I mean Ricky can't make the deadline, so he tells us so. That's fine, we'd rather no-one miss it but hey, let us know and it's all gravey. For crying out loud, he's on the staff here and he still lets us know - We follow the same rules you do.

Alex Bowen, Milenko, Reaper, Keeny & Joe - I'm watching :p

=I=
 
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Replace all referencing of John Cena with "Steamboat Ricky" and references to anybody else as "you guys."




Translation: Ricky has overcome the odds, and will get his RP in tonight (this morning), although, probably not before midnight.
 
Ricky, I just read your RP. THAT IS FUNNY! As sson as I saw "Gedoba" or whatever it is, I knew EXACTLY where you were going. Wow, I can't even put into words how great that is. Awesome. My Favorite RP to read so far. Actually made me want to read the next line that much more:)
 
Ricky is great at using comedy in his RP. I didnt get the Gedoba thing but it was obvious with the description and details where he is going.

I fully expect it to be a very good RP once it is complete. BUT it is Ricky, we expect nothing less!
 

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