WWE Royal Rumble 2015 **Official** General Discussion Aftermath Thread

[Prince Vee]

Well Well I didn't care if Bryan would appear in the RR last year or not. But the one thing nagging me was Batista wasn't deserved to win that match. Coming in at 29 and he was sloppy and he didn't even able to hit. spinebuster or a Sit out powerbomb perfectly at that time.And he was shaggy in the mic out of shape and clearly not ideal to win a Royal Rumble coming in at 29. But there have been superstars winning the rumble coming at 28, 29, or 30 but in Batista its not the case. No wonder the fans booed him. He couldn't connect with the crowd properly and no other top faces were in the ring with him. Punk got thrown away by Kane is a complete insanity coz its the Corporate Kane not the big red monster. And Roman Reigns was the last one in the ring with Batista. Remember he was still a heel. So what do you expect from the fans when a top heel and a Sloppy old guy is brawling in the ring to Main event Wrestlemania????
Boo the hell out of them!!

 

[d_henderson1810]

Oh. I'm sorry for wanting to cheer for WHO I LIKE. What a terrible thing for me to do. To express what I like and dislike about a product I invest my time into. I promise to just sit and watch whatever bullshit WWE feels like spewing at me after paying to watch no matter how lousy, crappy, shitty or stupid it is or how much I (and 25,000 others in attendance) hate it.

I'll behave.

Don't like what WWE offers, don't attend their shows, or watch their TV show, don't buy the Network.

No-one puts a gun to your head. No-one MAKES you watch. So, if you watch, and don't like it, then switch off, don't boo. Put your money where your mouth is.

And, am I to take from that, that you don't like Rey Mysterio, since he got booed out of the building because he came in at No. 30? So, it wasn't just that he was the victim of the fans venting, but an actual deep-seated hatred that they have towards him?

 

[d_henderson1810]

Well Well I didn't care if Bryan would appear in the RR last year or not. But the one thing nagging me was Batista wasn't deserved to win that match. Coming in at 29 and he was sloppy and he didn't even able to hit. spinebuster or a Sit out powerbomb perfectly at that time.And he was shaggy in the mic out of shape and clearly not ideal to win a Royal Rumble coming in at 29. But there have been superstars winning the rumble coming at 28, 29, or 30 but in Batista its not the case. No wonder the fans booed him. He couldn't connect with the crowd properly and no other top faces were in the ring with him. Punk got thrown away by Kane is a complete insanity coz its the Corporate Kane not the big red monster. And Roman Reigns was the last one in the ring with Batista. Remember he was still a heel. So what do you expect from the fans when a top heel and a Sloppy old guy is brawling in the ring to Main event Wrestlemania????
Boo the hell out of them!!

Funny how the WWE Universe was high on Batista when he main-evented WM21.

Back then, he didn't deserve the main event of WM, since he had only recently went solo, and won the title at WM in only his third one-on-one match at a PPV (which is too soon). Also, everyone knows that Orton should have got the match instead against Triple H, but Triple H probably thought that Batista wouldn't outshine him in the ring like Randy Orton, who was the hottest up-and-comer at the time, did.

Also, people even loved Batista when he went heel. I remember people saying that they loved how he played a heel. Maybe people only supported him because he was feuding with John Cena.

It's funny how people's attitudes change. They hate on someone they used to love.

I wonder how some of those booing Batista at RR would have felt, if their dirty little secret (that they were actually once a Batista fan) came out. Imagine how their buddies would shun them then.

 

[ABMorales787]

Don't like what WWE offers, don't attend their shows, or watch their TV show, don't buy the Network.

No-one puts a gun to your head. No-one MAKES you watch. So, if you watch, and don't like it, then switch off, don't boo. Put your money where your mouth is.

And, am I to take from that, that you don't like Rey Mysterio, since he got booed out of the building because he came in at No. 30? So, it wasn't just that he was the victim of the fans venting, but an actual deep-seated hatred that they have towards him?

Wow. You're just as stupid as the WWE is nowadays, huh?

"We rule and don't give a shit about feedback. It's our way or fuck off."

Is that how you intend to draw an audience? Is that how you intend to get more network subscribers? Is that how you intend to eliminate the apathy fans have toward the product now? With that stupid answer that solves nothing and just pushes people away? Brilliant, dear child. Quite brilliant. You are an ass kissing yes-man waiting on your boss' pants to drop so you can pucker up.

You know nothing of wrestling. Or "sports entertainment", like Vince would want you to think. Let me explain what it is. It's a mock spectator sport which revolves around the investment of it's fans. If the fans aren't invested in what's presented, you lose money. So you have to listen to those who put their butts in the seats. Because the checks depend on them.

I was watching that Rumble earlier today and was thinking how the fans wouldn't have been so angry if they knew how WM was going to turn out.

It all worked out how they wanted in the end. Why did it have to be the obvious and predictable way of Bryan winning the Rumble before headlining WM? People still seem to be annoyed at how the Rumble went even now that they know how it all ended at WM

Because Daniel Bryan's role in the show was changed into what it was because of the negative feedback in the Royal Rumble and CM Punk leaving.

 

[d_henderson1810]

Wow. You're just as stupid as the WWE is nowadays, huh?

"We rule and don't give a shit about feedback. It's our way or fuck off."

Is that how you intend to draw an audience? Is that how you intend to get more network subscribers? Is that how you intend to eliminate the apathy fans have toward the product now? With that stupid answer that solves nothing and just pushes people away? Brilliant, dear child. Quite brilliant. You are an ass kissing yes-man waiting on your boss' pants to drop so you can pucker up.

You know nothing of wrestling,. Or "sports entertainment", like Vince would want you to think. Let me explain what it is. It's a mock spectator sport which revolves around the investment of it's fans. If the fans aren't invested in what's presented, you lose money. So you have to listen to those who put their butts in the seats. Because the checks depend on them.



Because Daniel Bryan's role in the show was changed into what it was because of the negative feedback in the Royal Rumble and CM Punk leaving.

But you assume that everyone thinks like you. How arrogant. For all the people who bash WWE here, many more may like what it offers, but don't come here and say it. People are more likely to speak up when they don't like something than when they do. It's human nature. So don't think because you think WWE is crap, that everyone agrees with you.

Besides, if you hate WWE so much, then why do you care if it fails? If it is merely a mock spectator sport (your words), then why do you even give a damn what they do, since wrestling is only a "mock spectator sport".

Why not just call it "fake fighting" like Mark Madden?

Oh, I know nothing about wrestling. Okay, which wrestling company have you run?

Also, I have followed WWE for over thirty years. I read books, websites, I research and watch past and present things in WWE. I think that I know a lot about how wrestling works, and how life works as well. I know that I know a lot more than you, as only an ignoramus would say the things that you do.

Besides, I can say things that I wish WWE did better, and when they aren't fulfilling their potential. Difference is, that I don't bitch and moan about it every second day. Like that will make a difference to how WWE run things.

 

[hb367]

But you assume that everyone thinks like you. How arrogant. For all the people who bash WWE here, many more may like what it offers, but don't come here and say it. People are more likely to speak up when they don't like something than when they do. It's human nature. So don't think because you think WWE is crap, that everyone agrees with you.

Besides, if you hate WWE so much, then why do you care if it fails? If it is merely a mock spectator sport (your words), then why do you even give a damn what they do, since wrestling is only a "mock spectator sport".

Why not just call it "fake fighting" like Mark Madden?

Oh, I know nothing about wrestling. Okay, which wrestling company have you run?

Also, I have followed WWE for over thirty years. I read books, websites, I research and watch past and present things in WWE. I think that I know a lot about how wrestling works, and how life works as well. I know that I know a lot more than you, as only an ignoramus would say the things that you do.

Besides, I can say things that I wish WWE did better, and when they aren't fulfilling their potential. Difference is, that I don't bitch and moan about it every second day. Like that will make a difference to how WWE run things.

Speaking as someone who was there live it was because we reacted that way we got the better ending at wrestlemania

 

[ABMorales787]

But you assume that everyone thinks like you. How arrogant. For all the people who bash WWE here, many more may like what it offers, but don't come here and say it. People are more likely to speak up when they don't like something than when they do. It's human nature. So don't think because you think WWE is crap, that everyone agrees with you.

The general buzz these days is it's terrible programming.

Besides, if you hate WWE so much, then why do you care if it fails? If it is merely a mock spectator sport (your words), then why do you even give a damn what they do, since wrestling is only a "mock spectator sport".

Because I like to voice my opinion. I like to cheer what I like and boo what I dislike. It's the wrestling fan in me.

Why not just call it "fake fighting" like Mark Madden?

Because Mark Madden is a fat piece of shit.

Oh, I know nothing about wrestling. Okay, which wrestling company have you run?

I work the e-fed here. But why does it matter if I've run a company or not? It's basic logic. The fans pay, listen to them. Just like a concert. You gonna play a song they boo? Of course not.

Also, I have followed WWE for over thirty years. I read books, websites, I research and watch past and present things in WWE. I think that I know a lot about how wrestling works, and how life works as well. I know that I know a lot more than you, as only an ignoramus would say the things that you do.

You think I care how long you've been watching? It's clear that for those 30 years you watched, you've totally missed the basic premise of a live event. The people in it and their voice.

Besides, I can say things that I wish WWE did better, and when they aren't fulfilling their potential. Difference is, that I don't bitch and moan about it every second day. Like that will make a difference to how WWE run things.

I'm sorry, but who came in here berating people for the massive negative feedback at the Royal Rumble last year? Was it you or me? It was you. So the one who came in here bitching was you. So I suggest you take the criticism that goes with your actions. Kind of like what WWE had to go through at last year's Royal Rumble.

What irony.

 

[Dagger Dias]

I hope that, this year, people attending WWE Royal Rumble don't make gooses of themselves, like the crowd in the arena did last year.

So if the people in the crowd are presented with an awful show, they should not be allowed to react by showing their dislike? That's stupid. Royal Rumble last year was a HORRIBLE show and the fans had every right to react the way they did. I legitimately feel bad for anyone who paid money to be there.

Last year's Royal Rumble was spoiled because dimwits in the crowd booed the whole match because Daniel Bryan wasn't in the Royal Rumble.

No, it was spoiled because WWE tried to force ideas on the fans that they had no interest in. Bryan SHOULD have been in the Rumble, not in that garbage of a storyline with Wyatt. Batista also should not have won.

You all just got butthurt because what you wanted to happen, didn't happen.

No, they got upset because the show SUCKED. There's a difference. If this year's show SUCKS then the fans have a right to express that opinion.

I knew Batista would win six days beforehand, when they had him return, and stare down champion Randy Orton.

That was pretty obvious. What was also quite obvious was that the fans had no interest in seeing those two close Wrestlemania for the World Heavyweight Championship. WWE instead tried to force that on the fans, while putting Bryan into a pointless feud with Wyatt while giving Batista the Rumble win Bryan deserved. How do the fans not have the right to be upset about that?

I was kind of glad Bryan wasn't in. For one reason, it has been done 100 times before. Wrestler A wins Rumble, and fights champ at WM. How boring!

How is that boring!? That's the whole POINT of the Royal Rumble!!!!

Another reason I was glad that Bryan wasn't in, because, the way a lot of the WWE Universe behaved that night, you didn't deserve to get what you wanted. It was a disgraceful way to carry on, booing everyone in the Rumble, because the guy you wanted wasn't in it. Any story that was possibly being told in the Rumble, and any other storylines which were to build for WM matches involving other people, were totally ignored, by fans who thought they knew better than anyone else. I have seen two-year-olds act more maturely than many of the morons that night.

Really!? The fans had an idea forced on them that they did not like when WWE Creative were clearly ignoring the wrestler who the fans wanted to see succeed. The stubbornness of WWE Creative comes off as immature, while the fans reactions are fully justified. Fans buying tickets to events, subscribing to the Network, purchasing merchandise, and so forth are how the federation earns money. If we don't like the product, they won't make a profit. They should give the people what they want, not force a match on us that no one's interested in. Calling the fans at the Royal Rumble last year immature is absolutely ridiculous.

I get being upset about DB not being in. I get even booing Batista (he can look after himself). But booing a veteran like Rey Mysterio, for being No 30, was disgusting. Rey had nothing to do with booking, so he can't be blamed for Bryan not being in. I think the WWE Universe at least owes Rey Mysterio, and other competitor unfairly booed in that match, when they aren't even part of the Bryan-Authority storyline (and therefore, not stealing Bryan's spot anyway), a massive apology.

You can't possibly be serious. The fans owe Rey Mysterio an apology? I don't even like Mysterio and couldn't care less if he's a veteran. I'd have boo'ed too if I was in attendance. I think you are taking this way too seriously and you need to realize that the people in attendance were upset at how much the show sucked. It had nothing to do with Rey. They were boo'ing the show itself, not Rey.

This RR, just enjoy the show, boo who you want, but show some respect, and stop being so damn selfish and narrow-minded about wanting only one guy to win. DB is reported to be in the Rumble this year, but don't get your hopes up, as WWE are probably going to have Roman Reigns win it. Boo Reigns if this bothers you, but don't boo other guys who are innocent bystanders and have little to do with the result. Get some damn perspective!

I have a right to cheer or boo for whoever I want. As do you. So does every single person who will be in attendance at the Royal Rumble this year. If the show SUCKS, then they have a right to express said opinion out loud. If WWE want to not have any repeats of what happened at last year's Rumble then they should re-consider any ideas that may ignore fan favorites. They are called "fan favorites" for a reason. They are the guys the fans (the people who the federation's survival depends on) want to see win.

I have followed WWE for over thirty years. I read books, websites, I research and watch past and present things in WWE. I think that I know a lot about how wrestling works

Clearly this cannot be true. If you have watched for as long as you claim to have, you would know by now that the opinions of the fans is what matters more than anything. You claim to know "a lot about how wrestling works" but you showed us exactly the opposite when you made a post about how the fans shouldn't be allowed to boo at an event that SUCKS.

Difference is, that I don't bitch and moan about it every second day. Like that will make a difference to how WWE run things.

No, but enough reactions from the fans will get them to change things for the better. There's no way that they had planned for Bryan to win at Wrestlemania at this time last year. They changed everything to give the fans what they wanted, which they should have done in the first place. If you make the fans angry by forcing ideas on them that they are not interested in, you risk alienating the very people your company depends on in order to continue existing. So, if you still haven't figured it out, if a show SUCKS, the fans who paid money to be at said show have a right to boo loudly whether you like it or not.

 

[d_henderson1810]

So if the people in the crowd are presented with an awful show, they should not be allowed to react by showing their dislike? That's stupid. Royal Rumble last year was a HORRIBLE show and the fans had every right to react the way they did. I legitimately feel bad for anyone who paid money to be there.




No, it was spoiled because WWE tried to force ideas on the fans that they had no interest in. Bryan SHOULD have been in the Rumble, not in that garbage of a storyline with Wyatt. Batista also should not have won.




No, they got upset because the show SUCKED. There's a difference. If this year's show SUCKS then the fans have a right to express that opinion.




That was pretty obvious. What was also quite obvious was that the fans had no interest in seeing those two close Wrestlemania for the World Heavyweight Championship. WWE instead tried to force that on the fans, while putting Bryan into a pointless feud with Wyatt while giving Batista the Rumble win Bryan deserved. How do the fans not have the right to be upset about that?




How is that boring!? That's the whole POINT of the Royal Rumble!!!!




Really!? The fans had an idea forced on them that they did not like when WWE Creative were clearly ignoring the wrestler who the fans wanted to see succeed. The stubbornness of WWE Creative comes off as immature, while the fans reactions are fully justified. Fans buying tickets to events, subscribing to the Network, purchasing merchandise, and so forth are how the federation earns money. If we don't like the product, they won't make a profit. They should give the people what they want, not force a match on us that no one's interested in. Calling the fans at the Royal Rumble last year immature is absolutely ridiculous.






You can't possibly be serious. The fans owe Rey Mysterio an apology? I don't even like Mysterio and couldn't care less if he's a veteran. I'd have boo'ed too if I was in attendance. I think you are taking this way too seriously and you need to realize that the people in attendance were upset at how much the show sucked. It had nothing to do with Rey. They were boo'ing the show itself, not Rey.




I have a right to cheer or boo for whoever I want. As do you. So does every single person who will be in attendance at the Royal Rumble this year. If the show SUCKS, then they have a right to express said opinion out loud. If WWE want to not have any repeats of what happened at last year's Rumble then they should re-consider any ideas that may ignore fan favorites. They are called "fan favorites" for a reason. They are the guys the fans (the people who the federation's survival depends on) want to see win.




Clearly this cannot be true. If you have watched for as long as you claim to have, you would know by now that the opinions of the fans is what matters more than anything. You claim to know "a lot about how wrestling works" but you showed us exactly the opposite when you made a post about how the fans shouldn't be allowed to boo at an event that SUCKS.




No, but enough reactions from the fans will get them to change things for the better. There's no way that they had planned for Bryan to win at Wrestlemania at this time last year. They changed everything to give the fans what they wanted, which they should have done in the first place. If you make the fans angry by forcing ideas on them that they are not interested in, you risk alienating the very people your company depends on in order to continue existing. So, if you still haven't figured it out, if a show SUCKS, the fans who paid money to be at said show have a right to boo loudly whether you like it or not.

Not only do I watch wrestling, but work in retail, and I don't subscribe to the saying "The customer is ALWAYS right".

Sometimes, the customer isn't right. We have had people come in our store and, when we legitimately can't fulfil their request (and it is often something that is out of our hands) they get abusive and say that we should be able to. Is the customer right in this case? Is the customer right to walk off in a huff because we are busy serving others, and they can't wait, slamming what they bought down while they leave?

Most customers are right, most of the time. I just get sick of this God-like "I'm the customer and the whole success is 100% based on what we do".

Vince McMahon created WWE (did the fans?), Vince McMahon created Wrestlemania (did the fans?). The fans CHOSE to support the WWE all these years.

Don't make it sound like some favor, some obligation to follow WWE. You did it because you got what YOU wanted. The fact that WWE is still doing good business still says that. I don't see empty seats at their shows. I don't think they have papered the seating WCW-style yet, so WWE ain't going away.

If it was that the show sucked, then that would be okay. But this was a different level of hate. There have been plenty of times the crowds have booed, but this was another level I had never seen.

There have been other PPVs that have sucked, there have been other people win the Rumble that people thought shouldn't (Cena has won it twice), and there have been faves who didn't wrestle in the Rumble (Rock and Mankind had an "I Quit" Match at RR 99, and weren't in the Rumble match, yet they were two of the top three most popular guys in the company) yet there has never been the heat there was last year. So are you telling me that every other Rumble Match has been good over the years? So, what was difference last year.

The problem is that you people "believed " the storyline too much. Triple H called Daniel Bryan a "B-player" onscreen, so you thought that that is how management actually thinks of him. It is all a storyline. If WWE wanted to bury Bryan, they would have done what they wanted regardless.

Besides, if the fans are SO upset with how WWE is today, then how come you are still watching? If the fan is ALWAYS right, well how come the fans still attend shows (where are the empty arenas and free tickets), or buy merchandise. The disgruntled fan can always be replaced by a new satisfied fan. Also, different fans like different things, so which fan is right? If one fan likes Hardcore, but another likes an ROH style match, how can Vince please both, as each fan may not like the others choice, and complain if Vince shows either.

You know what else, maybe the fans were wrong. Look what happened soon after WMXXX. DB's body fell apart. Maybe he is too fragile to win the belt. Maybe WWE knew this. Maybe they knew that putting him in a long-term program may get him injured sooner. They have medical records, the fans don't. Maybe, in some cases, WWE does know more than the fan, because they have more information.

Funny how this board has posts saying how WWE sucks now, yet people still watch every week. How is Vince supposed to know that you are upset, if you keep coming back and watching the show every week, and buying tickets to shows? You can't be too upset, or you would stop following WWE altogether.

 

[ABMorales787]

Not only do I watch wrestling, but work in retail, and I don't subscribe to the saying "The customer is ALWAYS right".

Retail and live events are not the same. Retail offers pre-made products sold as a 3rd party. There's no adjusting to the products offered. There's no way to cater to customers as far as products offered. Live events are designed SPECIFICALLY to entertain fans. From the source to the buyer directly.

Sometimes, the customer isn't right. We have had people come in our store and, when we legitimately can't fulfil their request (and it is often something that is out of our hands) they get abusive and say that we should be able to. Is the customer right in this case? Is the customer right to walk off in a huff because we are busy serving others, and they can't wait, slamming what they bought down while they leave?


Most customers are right, most of the time. I just get sick of this God-like "I'm the customer and the whole success is 100% based on what we do".

Again, you're a 3rd party and your job is to sell items brought by other companies. Not directly work with the customer.

Vince McMahon created WWE (did the fans?), Vince McMahon created Wrestlemania (did the fans?). The fans CHOSE to support the WWE all these years.

And what would happen if fans didn't invest? WWE would be dead. And the can and do choose to stop supporting WWE. Look at the ratings. Look at attendance figures. Dropping.

Don't make it sound like some favor, some obligation to follow WWE. You did it because you got what YOU wanted. The fact that WWE is still doing good business still says that. I don't see empty seats at their shows. I don't think they have papered the seating WCW-style yet, so WWE ain't going away.

I stopped watching WWE last summer. I follow the product reading results online.

If it was that the show sucked, then that would be okay. But this was a different level of hate. There have been plenty of times the crowds have booed, but this was another level I had never seen.

Then something about the product needs to be fixed.

There have been other PPVs that have sucked, there have been other people win the Rumble that people thought shouldn't (Cena has won it twice), and there have been faves who didn't wrestle in the Rumble (Rock and Mankind had an "I Quit" Match at RR 99, and weren't in the Rumble match, yet they were two of the top three most popular guys in the company) yet there has never been the heat there was last year. So are you telling me that every other Rumble Match has been good over the years? So, what was difference last year.

Did you ever think that speaks volumes of the popularity of Daniel Bryan? That fans were actually offended that he was excluded from the marquee match with no real reason?

The problem is that you people "believed " the storyline too much. Triple H called Daniel Bryan a "B-player" onscreen, so you thought that that is how management actually thinks of him. It is all a storyline. If WWE wanted to bury Bryan, they would have done what they wanted regardless

Wrong. Fans were responding to the terrible storytelling from the past fall that cheaply ducked away from Daniel Bryan for no real reason. Again, the fans didn't like it and let WWE know.

Besides, if the fans are SO upset with how WWE is today, then how come you are still watching? If the fan is ALWAYS right, well how come the fans still attend shows (where are the empty arenas and free tickets), or buy merchandise. The disgruntled fan can always be replaced by a new satisfied fan. Also, different fans like different things, so which fan is right? If one fan likes Hardcore, but another likes an ROH style match, how can Vince please both, as each fan may not like the others choice, and complain if Vince shows either.

Increasing our numbers? Fuck that. Lets replace you.

How ignorant are you? The goal is to expand. Not recycling.

You know what else, maybe the fans were wrong. Look what happened soon after WMXXX. DB's body fell apart. Maybe he is too fragile to win the belt. Maybe WWE knew this. Maybe they knew that putting him in a long-term program may get him injured sooner. They have medical records, the fans don't. Maybe, in some cases, WWE does know more than the fan, because they have more information.

You're Jesus Christ and didn't tell us? It was an injury. How the fuck do you see those coming?

Funny how this board has posts saying how WWE sucks now, yet people still watch every week. How is Vince supposed to know that you are upset, if you keep coming back and watching the show every week, and buying tickets to shows? You can't be too upset, or you would stop following WWE altogether.

By booing. Huh. There's that irony thing again.

 

[Dagger Dias]

First of all, learn how to multi-quote a post.

Not only do I watch wrestling, but work in retail, and I don't subscribe to the saying "The customer is ALWAYS right".

The customer may not ALWAYS 100% of the time be right, but more often than not, they are. I have worked in retail too. Since you do, you should be familiar with the principle that without your customers your store would be without a purpose. If you force products on them that they do not want, they will stop shopping there. WWE tried to force the match THEY wanted on the fans, when it is the fans' opinion that truly matters.

Most customers are right, most of the time. I just get sick of this God-like "I'm the customer and the whole success is 100% based on what we do".

There's a difference between fans demanding what they want in every single tiny little detail of the show, and being upset that one of their favorites is not given the chance he deserves in favor of a match no one wants.

Vince McMahon created WWE (did the fans?), Vince McMahon created Wrestlemania (did the fans?). The fans CHOSE to support the WWE all these years.

Vince may have created the WWE and Wrestlemania, but when you have a brand that fans/customers are loyal to, brand loyalty is not eternal. You have to keep your customers wanting to continue to enjoy your product. Forcing a different direction on them is not the way to go about that. WWE completely disregarded fan opinions at last year's Royal Rumble, they deserved the reaction that they got.

Don't make it sound like some favor, some obligation to follow WWE. You did it because you got what YOU wanted. The fact that WWE is still doing good business still says that. I don't see empty seats at their shows. I don't think they have papered the seating WCW-style yet, so WWE ain't going away.

That's the point. If WWE were to decide to go about things all year long the way they did at last year's Rumble and refuse to push the fan favorites, attendance and profit would decline. They learned the hard way to give the fans what they want, and it paid off. Wrestlemania last year was a big success. Randy Orton VS Batista while Daniel Bryan gets stuck in some filler feud no one cares about or a spot in the Andre Battle Royal would NOT have done as well a last year's show did, I guarantee it.

If it was that the show sucked, then that would be okay. But this was a different level of hate. There have been plenty of times the crowds have booed, but this was another level I had never seen.

Probably because they felt WWE had given them the middle finger. Their reaction was fully justified. If WWE makes the same mistake again this year, history might repeat itself. The fans are entitled to their opinion.

So are you telling me that every other Rumble Match has been good over the years? So, what was difference last year.

No I am not. I have disagreed with other Rumble outcomes. I already told you what was wrong with last year's. The WWE refused to give the people what they wanted and tried to force a match on them that no one wanted to see.

The problem is that you people "believed " the storyline too much. Triple H called Daniel Bryan a "B-player" onscreen, so you thought that that is how management actually thinks of him. It is all a storyline. If WWE wanted to bury Bryan, they would have done what they wanted regardless.

Remember the opening "match" to Wrestlemania 28? They already did try to bury him. Bryan had to prove everyone wrong outside of kayfabe.

Besides, if the fans are SO upset with how WWE is today, then how come you are still watching? If the fan is ALWAYS right, well how come the fans still attend shows (where are the empty arenas and free tickets), or buy merchandise.

The fans who still watch still enjoy the product to a degree. I disagree with a lot that WWE does. Heck, I am furious that Lesnar's reign has been allowed to go as long as it has without monthly title defenses, but I still enjoy the product. Had they done Batista VS Randy Orton for the main event last year with Bryan jobbing out to Trips in the opening match or being eliminated in the Andre Battle Royal, it would not have made me quit watching. The only thing that really could have made me give up on WWE forever would have been Miz ending Undertaker's streak. I've watched for over 20 years. It would take something abysmally bad for me to walk away from a product that I still like. The roster is full of wrestlers I am a fan of.

You know what else, maybe the fans were wrong. Look what happened soon after WMXXX. DB's body fell apart. Maybe he is too fragile to win the belt. Maybe WWE knew this. Maybe they knew that putting him in a long-term program may get him injured sooner. They have medical records, the fans don't. Maybe, in some cases, WWE does know more than the fan, because they have more information.

I do not work for WWE so I cannot answer whether they could have known about the injury risk or not. The fact of the matter still remains. The fans wanted Daniel Bryan to win the top prize at the biggest show of the year. We got the moment of a generation in the main event of that show. They didn't want a boring match they didn't care about.

Funny how this board has posts saying how WWE sucks now, yet people still watch every week. How is Vince supposed to know that you are upset, if you keep coming back and watching the show every week, and buying tickets to shows? You can't be too upset, or you would stop following WWE altogether.

I addressed this already. The fans who continue to watch still enjoy the product. No matter how much they might whine about how much it "sucks now compared to the Attitude Era". If they were truly legitimately 100% fed up, they'd simply walk away. I have been watching since before Raw existed as a show. After all the years I have seen plenty of idiocy, but there is always enough that I do like about the product to continue watching. Despite how I detest the booking of Lesnar currently, I like a good portion of everything else that's going on. I'm paying for Network subscription that I could cancel if I wanted to. I purchase merchandise that I wouldn't if I didn't want to support those characters. I attended events I would not have if I did not like the product, and you know what? Had something exceedingly stupid happened at any of those shows, I would have boo'ed. If you are provided a service that is awful, you have a right to make your opinion known. The Rumble this year has a negative moment to remember from last year, one that I highly doubt anyone in WWE wants to re-live. This year's show should be much better, and one with booking that is aware of what THE FANS want.

Otherwise, those in attendance at Royal Rumble 2015 will react negatively, and they have every right in the world to boo a show that sucks. Hopefully that will not be the case this year.

 

[Prince Vee]

It's funny how people's attitudes change. They hate on someone they used to love.

I wonder how some of those booing Batista at RR would have felt, if their dirty little secret (that they were actually once a Batista fan) came out. Imagine how their buddies would shun them then.

Sorry to tell you mate I was never a fan of Batista and I didn't anticipate his return to the Royal Rumble last year. So I'm not among the "WWE universe" you had just mentioned. No offense

 

[shooter_mcgavin]

Funny how the WWE Universe was high on Batista when he main-evented WM21.

Back then, he didn't deserve the main event of WM, since he had only recently went solo, and won the title at WM in only his third one-on-one match at a PPV (which is too soon). Also, everyone knows that Orton should have got the match instead against Triple H, but Triple H probably thought that Batista wouldn't outshine him in the ring like Randy Orton, who was the hottest up-and-comer at the time, did.

No Orton was already getting pushed to the main event but he was faltering as a face. His crowd reactions as a face were pretty poor. Batista was the happy accident because fans ate it up when he did that tease on turning against Triple H and WWE. Also when a heel Batista vs. Benoit had a match on RAW fans were behind Batista. I am sure if Bryan vs. Reigns went one on one, fan support would still be on Bryan.

So even if you can draw similarities with Batista and Reigns bottom line is Batista still has the fan support Reigns currently does not have.

Vince McMahon created WWE (did the fans?), Vince McMahon created Wrestlemania (did the fans?). The fans CHOSE to support the WWE all these years.

yes Vince created the WWE but the company probably would have went out of business if it wasn't for the attitude era specifically DX and Austin. And if WWE went by Vince McMahon original plan Austin would have been a heel and DX would not have happened because according to Shawn Michaels Vince hated the things DX were doing.

What my point? Fans are also important they put Austin over and made DX a household name.

 

[makeitvab]

Can't you all quit squabbling or do it elsewhere?

That said back to the POINT of this thread, the 2015 royal rumble.

If Ambrose or Ziggler win this thing, I'd have renewed faith in the booking. They don't even have to BEAT Lesnar. Just some honest to god FRESH unexpected person being booked as a face in the main event would be nuts.

Fan of I am of Dbry I just don't want a rehash of last years. It's been done even if not via rumble. Give it to Ambrose. Have Lesnar retain @ R.R by pinning Seth after hijinx ensue (it's what he's in the match for, accept it).

By WrestleMania, you have rebuilt Ambrose up after Wyatt feud as a more focused insane, wrestles w a purpose to win not maim. He stops doing elbow drops through tables and doing 60% of match damage to himself and channels his psychotic tendencies to persevere and pull out wins. Counters would be 2nd f-5into his Dirty Deeds DDT, picks Lesnar up to feet, does it again, elbow drop off top rope. Pin. New face, new champ. Rollins cashes in. Predictable? Yes,but pt is to put focus on next generation. Do it when you have biggest audience watching.

you can argue "deans not big name" its W.M it sells itself. My grandmother calls wrestling some unkind terms I won't repeat here but always hosts, watches, and yells at tv for W.M with the family.

 

[The Yes Guy]

We all know what happened last Royal Rumble. The crowd sh*t all over the match. Even someone like Mysterio was booed coz he came in last instead of Bryan.

Now I see a lot of threads where folks say it's gonna repeat this year.

I don't think so. Bryan was Red hot last year. This year it's cooled off a bit. I don't see anyone this year who's that hot.

So will it repeat or will it not.?

 

[LODemolition]

Well, part of the reason the crowd was so upset was because Bryan wasn't even in the Rumble. We know we don't have to worry about that this year. I do not believe we'll have a repeat of last year. My pick to win the Rumble is Dolph Ziggler and he's nearly as over as Bryan, if not equally over. With the show being in a city like Philadelphia, they know they have to give them a winner they like or it will go over like a lead balloon. Ziggler is the answer to that problem if Bryan isn't their choice to win.

 

[kadroan]

We all know what happened last Royal Rumble. The crowd sh*t all over the match. Even someone like Mysterio was booed coz he came in last instead of Bryan.

Now I see a lot of threads where folks say it's gonna repeat this year.

I don't think so. Bryan was Red hot last year. This year it's cooled off a bit. I don't see anyone this year who's that hot.

So will it repeat or will it not.?

I doubt it. Bryan will be in the Royal Rumble match which takes away the biggest hurdle.

Now if Bryan doesn't win the Royal Rumble match, it won't be as big of a deal. People are still going to tune in to RAW after Royal Rumble regardless.

 

[John McCass]

This year, Ziggler is as redhot as Daniel Bryan was and he will be even more upon his return from 'firing'. Crowd will accept either Daniel Bryan or Dolph Ziggler as the Royal Rumble winner.

 

[The_Don]

I believe the Philly crowd will be rough with Reigns, regardless if Bryan is in still in the match or not. Smarks are gonna be there, they know what's up. I bet they'll start booing him as quick as he enters. If Bryan, Ziggler and Ambrose are out, Reigns will get a worse 2014 Rey Mysterio treatment. It will go further than Batista. You can "believe dat!"

 

[Navi]

I believe the Philly crowd will be rough with Reigns, regardless if Bryan is in still in the match or not. Smarks are gonna be there, they know what's up. I bet they'll start booing him as quick as he enters. If Bryan, Ziggler and Ambrose are out, Reigns will get a worse 2014 Rey Mysterio treatment. It will go further than Batista. You can "believe dat!"

I have to agree with this. If Reigns is the last man standing after the dust clears it won't be a pretty sight. Philadelphia fans are notorious for voicing their displeasure and they will make it known.

In a way it's kind of unfair as Reigns is only following the program that has been set out for him by the WWE. The fans won't care though as he is not their favourite to win.

Daniel Bryan doesn't need to win to get a shot at the title. He was stripped of the title and should get another shot regardless. I'm expecting this coming into play at Mania if all doesn't go well at the Rumble.

Ziggler is also way over with fans, but it depends on who walks out as champ that will decide if Ziggler wins or not. Lesnar would break him in half.

Ambrose is the one who I think will win. Fans will be happy and they will be behind him after all he's put up with the last few months. I can even see him eliminating Reigns as a payback for last year's Rumble when Reigns eliminated him and Rollins.

Anyway, the WWE will be very careful this year after the shitstorm that erupted last year. Even though I'm not sure that was all supposed to happen to begin with. And I'm not sure that they've been teasing us with Reigns for the past while, only to pull a swerve at the last minute and put Ambrose or Ziggler over the top.

 

[Aquaman6686]

This year, Ziggler is as redhot as Daniel Bryan was and he will be even more upon his return from 'firing'. Crowd will accept either Daniel Bryan or Dolph Ziggler as the Royal Rumble winner.

This. I don't think the crowd in Philadelphia will accept anyone but these two. Bryan probably has 90% of his popularity from last year, and Ziggler is as white-hot as Bryan was last year, perhaps even more over. The crowd will crap all over anybody else winning the Royal Rumble last year.

 

[SmattyG]

I still think from the crowd reactions I've seen (admittedly I'm in Australia, where crowds can be dubbed in), that Bryan is still more over than anyone, including Ziggler.

If a heel takes out Bryan for Ziggler to eventually win, then I'm happy with the result.

But let's get serious. If you're Vince McMahon, and you have the option of either Dolph Ziggler or Daniel Bryan to headline Wrestlemania, which way would you go?

Reigns is out - it will either be Seth V Bryan (Title) and Cena V Brock; or Brock V Bryan (Title) and Cena V Rollins.

Believe that.

 

[BestWrestlingOpinions]

Over the years, no matter what matches take place at the Royal Rumble PPV, the main event is obviously the Royal Rumble match itself. This year though, it seems like there is not much hype for it. Instead, the WWEWHC match between Lesnar, Cena and Rollins seems to be the main event, with a great build, while everything else, even the Rumble match, seem uninteresting.

That seemed to be the case 2 years ago also, where the Rumble match didn't have so much hype, as Cena was the most obvious candidate to win. At the same night, Punk faced the Rock in a match that was hyped for over half a year. It's really intriguing to say the least, and really shows the lack of main eventers at the moment.

How do you feel about the title match being more important that the once per year Rumble match? To me, I don't really care. The Rumble match isnm't a wrestling masterpiece anyway. It is all drama, suspense bout who's gonna win and surprise entries. A good build in the title match, as of this year's or two years ago, is way more intriguing to me. Sure, if there is a stacked card on who's entering the Rumble match, it could have been unpredictable and all, but as of right now, the only top name announced to be in it is Daniel Bryan. Everyone else announced, EVERYONE, has either never won a World Title, or is a mid carder. Can't really get excited for a match like that.

 

[TheICChampion]

Well, I suppose it all depends on what WWE has planned for the show. If they want to go out on a shock ending then they'll have the title match go on last after the Rumble. The main reason title matches would go on last at PPV's like the Rumble would be if something big is going to happen (like in 2006 when Undertaker returned to challenge the World Champion or as you mentioned when Rock was about to face CM Punk and win the title).

 

[chuckmdubya]

This year the title match is probably more of a main event than the Rumble match itself.

There is no RR entrant that Lesnar has a history with and there is only one compelling opponent for Lesnar in it this year, Daniel Bryan. Yes I am sure Reigns will be in it, but Brock VS Roman wouldn't make a good WM build up, Reigns hasn't reached that level yet. To me a WM title match that would be compelling would be Cena vs Bryan. I think its time for an official torch passing to Bryan this year.

The title match at Rumble may serve multiple purposes, setting up the torch pass and getting Rollins over as a top heel. I expect a great showing from him in the match, possibly even a victory. But I hope not a victory, but a good beat down of Lesnar, better than Cena does.
It's very hard to predict, but WWE absolutely loves to pass the torch from one hero to the other, and they better get their money out of Bryan while they can, because he's probably only got a couple years of top tier wrestling left, just like Austin.
Its hard to say that Lesnar will fall, but it just makes sense to have him drop the title at RR and let Cena pass the torch.
Plus, they have taken a lot of heat for having a part time champ. And it seems the fans want to cheer for Lesnar before he is done, he could be repackaged as a face and maybe even end a career or another streak at WM 31.

This will all set up a career long rivalry with Rollins and Bryan. and Maybe even a Rollins title reign in 2015.