WWE Over The Limit - Sin Cara vs Chavo Guerrero

[mrbrownstone]

Sin Cara soars into WWE Over the Limit, locking horns with the always-dangerous Chavo Guerrero in his first pay-per-view encounter. But, will the experience of the self-proclaimed “Mexican Warrior” drive the gravity-defying Superstar from the battlefield before his career truly takes flight?

On the May 13 edition of SmackDown, Chavo Guerrero made the rather audacious proclamation to the WWE Universe that Sin Cara was "following in his footsteps," repeatedly referring to himself as Sin Cara's "mentor." But, when the high-flying object of his boasting realized his win over Daniel Bryan happened because of a Guerrero distraction, Sin Cara angrily confronted Chavo and things turned physical. (WATCH)

One week later, Guerrero attempted to show-up the masked grappler by defeating Daniel Bryan in less than five minutes. After he failed to do so, Sin Cara emerged, sending him spiraling out of the ring. (WATCH)

The standoff between the two fast-paced Superstars has all the makings of being an epic encounter. Sin Cara has quickly set WWE ablaze, with a jaw-dropping assault that shatters both expectation and logic. But, in the country he comes from, “Guerrero” is more than a name, it is an institution – and for very good reason. No matter how impressive the Mexican sensation has been up until now, an enraged Chavo is never one to be taken lightly.

Definitely looking forward to this one, if given the proper time this could easily be the match of the night. Sin Cara has been really impressive in his short time in the WWE so far and Chavo seems to be the perfect guy to put him over given his lucha background and the fact that he should be able to keep up with Cara. Obviously we know Sin Cara is likely winning here, he hasn't lost a match and in the WWE yet and I don't see it happening in his PPV debut and especially not against Chavo.

Thoughts on this match?

 

[Azane]

Chavo is the perfect guy to put SC over. I could see Chavo winning really dirty to babyface Sin Cara even more, but I actually expect a strong win for Cara.
Wonder if this feud will go on past OTL

 

[silrock316]

This is one I DO want to see.

If they do this correctly they could cash in on this. Rey and Chavo/Eddie have had GREAT matches in the past and if Chavo can bring 75% of the hold Chava, he and Sin Cara could have a match that we will be talking about being top 20 of all time right off the bat. Obviously, IF it is booked right and carried through with by the competitors.

 

[BenChiefin]

Obviously the match will open the pay per view cause of the high flying. Since it's WWE it'll go 5 minutes. Max. Should be a good move showcase for Sin Cara.

Apparently the two of them wrestled a few times in that recent Mexico tour and put on a good show.

 

[amazing_blue]

I'm not a fan of Sin Cara's matches because only the high spots are fun to watch. I don't like the way his opponants have to sell every little thing.

That being said, this is one of the more intriguing matches on the card for some reason. I've got Sin Cara winning and perhaps moving on to challenging for the Intercontinental title.

 

[Y 2 Jake]

More than capable of putting on a quality match. Chavo can still go, however there are several other option that would be over. If anything I think Chavo will sap whatever crowd heat this match may have. Really should go on first.

Hopefully they stop bathing Cara's matches in that blue light soon.

 

[FSWWE]

It is going to be a great match, that i'm sure...

Sin Cara will win... WWE has no reason to make him lose, or making Chavo win...
I dont really know, how they are going to continue with their feud if Sin Cara doesn't have a manager to translate him, or learns how to speak english...

Y2Jake - I kinda like the light on SmackDown, but I know i dont want to see that in a PPV or in a match against main event guys...

 

[RatedRKO2011]

Looking forward to this one, I would like to see Chavo win though even if he cheats to win, then this could be the start of a long fued with great matches along the way

 

[Big Nick Dudley]

As long as this isn't yet another exhibition of the big spots Sin Cara is capable of performing, it could steal the show. I'm interested to see Sin Cara in a lengthy match, where he is forced to actually wrestle, and not just hit spots. But, I'm not sure that time is upon us. Against Chavo? Probably not.

Chavo can still go, period. He's been a joke for years now, but this feud shows fans can forget that sort of thing, rather quickly. I doubt this gets more than ten minutes, and I will have to wait another few months to see what Sin Cara can really do, outside of hitting big spots.

 

[Dagger Dias]

This will probably be an excellent and exciting match. That is, if WWE give them enough time. It is Sin Cara's first PPV appearance so he definitely needs the win more because it will be a big help in him building some needed momentum for his push as the next big name in high flying. Chavo never wins and there is no reason for him to here. Sin Cara wins in a potential show stealer that goes on either first or second.

DAGGER'S PREDICTION
Sin Cara will defeat Chavo.

 

[Da Prophet]

I'm expecting an exciting match with several high spots from Sin Cara. It'll probably go on first as everyone has said and I don't have a problem with that. It should do its job and get the crowd pumped for the rest of the night. I don't see this as being the last match between the two on television, a possible rematch with Chavo saying Cara stole another one of his moves. This is going to be a showcase for Sin Cara, really getting a solid match with some time on PPV. Chavo can work well against nearly anyone and with the style Cara uses I expect Chavo to bring his A game. High hopes for this match, really want to see some high flying moves and I hope Cara pulls them off when on live television.

Sin Cara to go over to further his push since joining the company. They want him to be over, having him lose cuts that down.

 

[Zigglerfan227]

Sin Cara and Chavo could have a great match if booked correctly. There are many matches on the card and therefore some of the matches are going to be shortened. I hope that this match can live up to expectations. Everyone wanted to see Chavo fight Sin Cara and now we will get it. I see Sin Cara picking up the win, but it would be awesome if Chavo won instead. If Chavo wins the feud will continue, which would be a good thing.

 

[The Brain]

This match is an example of something I’m not too crazy about with WWE today. I mean no disrespect to Chavo or Sin Cara because it really has nothing to do with them, but this match happens to be a good example. Why is this match happening already? This angle just started two weeks ago with Chavo posing as a mentor to Sin Cara. This could have developed over time and been held off until at least the next ppv. Instead the angle has been rushed with little too little build up to really make us care. Even though they’re lower on the card if WWE had put a little more time effort into this potentially good angle we would have much more anticipation for this match a month or two down the road. I’m sure the match will be fine this Sunday, but it could have been a lot better if the angle were given proper time to develop. I should be used to this by now. The turbo charged booking style as result of the programming schedule has been around for several years now. I just think this one could have easily been put off until a later ppv.

 

[#hamler]

I think the WWE realized how great Chavo Guerrero worked with Rey Mysterio in 2006 and thought he could do the same for Sin Cara. Chavo is a Guerrero. He has the ability to hang with the likes of any luchador and he can probably take the best hurricanrana and crucifix headscissors out of anyone in the WWE locker room. He can damn sure make Sin Cara look good. Not to mention, Chavo hasn't had a solid feud since 2008 with CM Punk on ECW which I thought was pretty damn good on Chavo's part. Chavo is a great in ring worker. He may be in his upper 30s or even 40, but dammit he has phenomenal in-ring ability. His feud with Rey Mysterio in 2006 proves to me that a Sin Cara/Chavo Guererro feud would be worth tunning in to see. I'm glad this gets PPV time. But there's really no doubt in any way Chavo will walk away the victor here.

Hamler's Prediction - Sin Cara

 

[ugotpwned999]

Should be a great match. I wouldn't be at all suprised to see a respectable veteran like Chavo put Sin Cara over in this one.

Apparently these 2 put on some great matches during recent house shows. Lets hope they can do it on PPV.

 

[El Rev sXe]

This match is an example of something I’m not too crazy about with WWE today. I mean no disrespect to Chavo or Sin Cara because it really has nothing to do with them, but this match happens to be a good example. Why is this match happening already? This angle just started two weeks ago with Chavo posing as a mentor to Sin Cara. This could have developed over time and been held off until at least the next ppv. Instead the angle has been rushed with little too little build up to really make us care. Even though they’re lower on the card if WWE had put a little more time effort into this potentially good angle we would have much more anticipation for this match a month or two down the road. I’m sure the match will be fine this Sunday, but it could have been a lot better if the angle were given proper time to develop. I should be used to this by now. The turbo charged booking style as result of the programming schedule has been around for several years now. I just think this one could have easily been put off until a later ppv.

I thought about this too, they are rushing it. I don't see why this match couldn't be holded until the next PPV. We had week 1: Chavo declare's himself Sin Cara's "mentor". Week 2: He cheats to win (pun intented) a match Sin Cara had against Daniel Bryan and Chavito is shoved. Week 3: we have a match. I'm no expert in booking feuds/angles/storylines but this looked like it needed a little bit more of build up in order to get Chavito some decent heat.

Nevermind, I have great expectations for this one, it is going to be a wild ride with alot of back and forth action (at least that's what I am hoping). This match and the WHC look like are going to steal the show. Obviously sin Cara is going to win, it is his PPV debut and he needs it.

 

[Mitch Henessey]

This should be a good match, and I hope this one can get a good amount of time. Cara's debut is going well so far, and it looks like Chavo might be taken seriously again. Although, I have to agree with Brain about this feud being rushed. This feud has an intriguing premise, and with more time, this feud could've developed into something better. Still, I hope these two have a good match, and I hope the feud between these two will continue after this pay per view.

 

[LSN80]

The problem with this match is that noone buys into the idea of the badass Chavo character they've been trying to paint him as over the past few weeks because, well, when's the last time he's actually won a match? It's a shame too, because the man can really go in the ring. He's the perfect first feud for Cara as well, because he understand the lucha style well and also speaks Spanish, which should make the communication flawless. The other problem is they've rushed this match, as the feud with Chavo being Cara's "mentor" started only 2 and a half weeks ago, and they're fighting each other already.

That being said, Cara has to win this match. He came in so heavily hyped, and thusfar, hasn't lived up to it. A good showing on his first PPV match, hopefully a good 15 minute showing, will go a long way towards erasing some of the cynicism developed towards him. Im holding out hope that this will be a good match and not a spotfest, and believe Cara will win clean regardless.

LSN's prediction: Sin Cara defeats Chavo Guerrero

 

[Tranqui1ity]

I love watching Sin Cara wrestle but am I the only one that gets annoyed with the lighting they use during his matches?

 

[sabataged]

I love watching Sin Cara wrestle but am I the only one that gets annoyed with the lighting they use during his matches?

Ya that got old quickly.

The match was a great display for Sin Cara. Chavo made him look good. I think they screwed up the ending but I thought it served its purpose.

 

[TheKingHustla]

Ya that got old quickly.

The match was a great display for Sin Cara. Chavo made him look good. I think they screwed up the ending but I thought it served its purpose.

Yeah, i think they botched the ending too, and sin kept shaking his head like he was upset with the ending. I dont know what it was supposed to be, looked to me like the spinny arm drag that cara does but i wouldnt think that would end the match so maybe something happened to chavo and they had to end it.

 

[Amped08]

I think the ending was botched up bad. You could tell by the announcers reactions. They also replayed every cool move Sin Cara did, yet the one that finished the match gets forgotten about immediately. There's a reason for that. Hopefully Chavo isn't injured..

Other than that, I really enjoyed the match. Very few botches and they work well together. I think the only reason they rushed the feud is because they wanted a good excuse to put Sin Cara on PPV and Chavo was the best option. Worked out nicely. I have to agree that Sin Cara's lighting is really stupid. It makes me feel like the lighting guy fell asleep on the job.

 

[Malenko316]

I have been watching wrestling since 1988, and that was one of the most botched and disappointing matches I've ever seen in WWE. It reminded me of g'd ole WCW days. There were missed arm drags (how is that possible?), missed kicks, dives, the lot! I was crying with laughter at one point because it was obvious when Chavo ended up in corner, Sin Cara had expected to turn and Chavo be running at him and even under the mask you could see the WTF? expression.

Sin Cara was always going to be challenge for the WWE workers to gel with, undoubtedly the only reason why Chavo was used was because he could communicate in spanish, (the policy of hiring a guy with zero english is too funny), but most of the issues were to do with execution and not timing. Sin Cara/Mystico is a veteran performer, but he seems to have no clue how position his feet to make any of his hurricarannas look convincing - which is odd given they're his main offence. I thought the timing and leg positions were due to him trying them on Seamus etc, not someone with the experience or language skills to work with him, but evidently, the problem is him.

I think the ending was meant to be La Mystica (pendulum headscissors into a Fujiwara Armbar), and even that got botched into a face plant. I'm just glad they didn't opt for the spanish fly/flux capacitor finisher, or Chavo could have been seriously injured as it evident Sin Cara's confidence was shot by that point. I hope this match will result in Chavo getting a bonus for carrying the match and getting banged up in the process. I also hope this will cause a rethink amongst the top brass about how to use SC and who put him in the ring with.

It's too late for them to send him to learn his craft in FCW and become more than a spot monkey like Kofi, or in this case, a bad/dangerous spot monkey, but serious thought has to be given to training in the ring and in language because at the minute he is a danger to himself and those in the ring with him.

 

[Sheamus' Suntan]

And so the IWC strikes again, complaining of botches.

Yes, the end move was NOT what Sin Cara had planned. You can tell that by the shaking of the head, the bad movement during the match etc. I'm not sure its his positioning thats the problem. I think its more he has to learn how to work with the WWE trained guys. In Mexico, where the lucha style is a proper trade, Mistico would have been fine and would not have had this issue but there are not cameras etc involved there so it changes literally everything.

Cameramen. The people involved in the matches and Sin Cara ALL have to learn to adapt to one another. The cameras are going to have to learn how to catch the moves properly. During one of the high cross body spots I saw the cameraman almost felt flummoxed and barely moved to accommodate catching the move, instead he caught a shot of the Cara's waistline.

That then makes his moves NOT look good because the camera's are thrown by it. I would imagine the blue lighting ALSO plays havoc on the camera mens perception.

I think its down to a lot of factors. They really need to consider how to get Sin Cara to be able to work with others - he COULD prove dangerous as the poster above said, if others CANT work with him and this WILL limit Sin Cara to Chavo Guerrero and Rey Mysterio as feud partners and thats about it.

Ultimately they called Cara up too soon. Unless they took him back to FCW and had him go with a new mask/name when he came back, they've made a big mistake. They got excited about the bringing in of a major international star and forgot something important; language barriers for the crowd and the fellow workers.

 

[Heavens Vibe]

The match was good, great even. The botch aside, we saw two performers put on a good show, and the commentary also somewhat helped sell the short notice story about Chavo's jealousy.

Now to the botch(s):

If you actually look at them within the arena or as a casual fan, you'll see it to be a good move for the finish. Many of the fans expected the flip from top rope, but a hurracanrana face buster? Kinda cool! Chavo and Sin Cara did fault but we still got a good product and we cant blame either of them without asking why the camera men cant focus a camera or why the lighting had to fully go out?

The mood lighting looks awesome, but that as the only light source sucks! add a few more white lights and its good!