If you called your friends to tell them to watch a sweaty muscle man-segment on a Monday night when most people are outside enjoying their summers then you need serious help
WWE In Panic Mode.........Again
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If you called your friends to tell them to watch a sweaty muscle man-segment on a Monday night when most people are outside enjoying their summers then you need serious help
TheAcolyte
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If they want to bring the ratings up again, they first need to stop the raw super show and smackdown super show. Then they need to bring in all those belts they decided to retire. 4 belts is not enough for about around 200+ wrestlers.
Once they get all those things fixed, they need to fire all the writers for crappy writing. All those messages during the commercial breaks says they are beating other shows needs to stop. After all of those losers are fired, hire people who are real wrestling fans who have the ability to write a good story line...
Once they get all those things fixed, they need to fire all the writers for crappy writing. All those messages during the commercial breaks says they are beating other shows needs to stop. After all of those losers are fired, hire people who are real wrestling fans who have the ability to write a good story line...
This rating teaches us a few things, but one thing way more important than the rest, and that's what I'll open with.
CM Punk doesn't draw the numbers that WWE wants/needs him to draw.
I love CM Punk just as much as the next guy, but he's not the savior that professional wrestling supposedly needs. While we on the internet find him entertaining, and I'm sure he has plenty of non-IWC fans, he's not a superstar. Punk is an attraction, a great one at that, but every wrestling show needs a superstar at the top of it, and the WWE has one, maybe two guys that can fill that role right now, and neither of them were on Raw last Monday.
Alberto Del Rio couldn't draw flies if he didn't shower for a month.
This should be no surprise to anyone. Arenas are silent during this guy's entrance, which is probably why the WWE has him honk the horn and Ricardo talk for about half of his entrance: so there's the illusion of sound. The live crowds don't want to see him, the people at home don't want to see him. He needs to get taken off TV ASAP and either repackaged, or cut loose.
The main event was Big Show vs. Brodus Clay
These are two guys that nobody is particularly interested in. Without John Cena, Big Show is nothing. Brodus Clay is a gimmick act that nobody is going to stay up late to watch wrestle. The fact of the matter is, if there's nothing that demands the viewer stay late for, they're not going to stay up. 11 PM on a Monday night is late, and most viewers have work or school in the morning and would love that extra 20-30 minutes of sleep. I know I would.
And that's the lesson that the WWE needs to learn: if they don't put a segment with Cena, Lesnar, Triple H, or a major special guest at the end of the show, people aren't going to stay up for it. The dedicated WWE fans, probably the fans that composed that 2.7 rating, will be there. But that extra .5-1 that the WWE would love to see on their ratings aren't going to sit through an entire two hour wrestling show if you don't give them the explosive ending with the big name star to cap things off
This isn't the summer of Punk, he's not going to draw the viewers the WWE needs. Big Show isn't a big enough name to keep viewers interested. Del Rio is going to have viewers diving for the remote to change the channel. Without a Cena, Triple H, or Lesnar to keep the people watching the show, the WWE will continue to see rating problems like this.
CM Punk doesn't draw the numbers that WWE wants/needs him to draw.
I love CM Punk just as much as the next guy, but he's not the savior that professional wrestling supposedly needs. While we on the internet find him entertaining, and I'm sure he has plenty of non-IWC fans, he's not a superstar. Punk is an attraction, a great one at that, but every wrestling show needs a superstar at the top of it, and the WWE has one, maybe two guys that can fill that role right now, and neither of them were on Raw last Monday.
Alberto Del Rio couldn't draw flies if he didn't shower for a month.
This should be no surprise to anyone. Arenas are silent during this guy's entrance, which is probably why the WWE has him honk the horn and Ricardo talk for about half of his entrance: so there's the illusion of sound. The live crowds don't want to see him, the people at home don't want to see him. He needs to get taken off TV ASAP and either repackaged, or cut loose.
The main event was Big Show vs. Brodus Clay
These are two guys that nobody is particularly interested in. Without John Cena, Big Show is nothing. Brodus Clay is a gimmick act that nobody is going to stay up late to watch wrestle. The fact of the matter is, if there's nothing that demands the viewer stay late for, they're not going to stay up. 11 PM on a Monday night is late, and most viewers have work or school in the morning and would love that extra 20-30 minutes of sleep. I know I would.
And that's the lesson that the WWE needs to learn: if they don't put a segment with Cena, Lesnar, Triple H, or a major special guest at the end of the show, people aren't going to stay up for it. The dedicated WWE fans, probably the fans that composed that 2.7 rating, will be there. But that extra .5-1 that the WWE would love to see on their ratings aren't going to sit through an entire two hour wrestling show if you don't give them the explosive ending with the big name star to cap things off
This isn't the summer of Punk, he's not going to draw the viewers the WWE needs. Big Show isn't a big enough name to keep viewers interested. Del Rio is going to have viewers diving for the remote to change the channel. Without a Cena, Triple H, or Lesnar to keep the people watching the show, the WWE will continue to see rating problems like this.
Owen 3:16 says I just stole your Slammy!!
Pre-Show Stalwart
I loved the Punk/Bryan match, one of the best matches i seen in a long time. That match kept me in my seat and want to see more. The thing is, the PG bull-shit is not working. Adults dont want to see kiddie related shows. Parents dont want their kids to stay up at 11:00 on a school night. With the adults not watching and the Kids sleeping, Your fucked!
If I was the WWE, I would put the product in the middle. Don't put it too kiddie for the adults to not watch it. Don't Put on XXX related shows cause the parents would not let their kids to watch it. Do what WCW did from '96-'98, They kept it in the middle. WCW had wrestlers some wrestlers that kids liked and parents approved (Rey Mystero, and other crusierweights.) Also, WCW had cool wrestlers that teenagers and adults can relate too (nWo, Flair, Savage.)
If I was the WWE, I would put the product in the middle. Don't put it too kiddie for the adults to not watch it. Don't Put on XXX related shows cause the parents would not let their kids to watch it. Do what WCW did from '96-'98, They kept it in the middle. WCW had wrestlers some wrestlers that kids liked and parents approved (Rey Mystero, and other crusierweights.) Also, WCW had cool wrestlers that teenagers and adults can relate too (nWo, Flair, Savage.)
Honkey_Kong
Championship Contender
I didn't say they should revert back. The AE was played out and done for. I was saying back then, they didn't do anything UNTIL they had their back against the wall and it was do or die. They're not going to make their product better now until they have to.
slice_of_life
Pre-Show Stalwart
It's pretty unbelievable that the creative team doesn't know the problem. How can they possibly think they are doing a good job? There are so many things wrong with the WWE.
1. Michael Cole- The guy is just bad. Maybe it's because we've been spoiled with the likes of Heyman, Styles and JR, but the guy flat out does a bad job. Don't believe me, go re-watch Lesnar's return. Think of what JR would have done.
2. Top Face/Top Face vs. Top Heel/Top Heel main events- these are boring. RAW used to have good main events in the attitude era like ladder mataches, and it had nothing to do with it being the attitude era, just that they made better matches.
3. HHH- As long as this guy is in charge, the right guys will not get complete pushes. He will allow Randy Orton to keep burying talent.
4. Brock Lesnar- I know he has a limited number of dates, but he equals ratings. The 2-3 episodes he was on were the most compelling, entertaining RAW's in years.
1. Michael Cole- The guy is just bad. Maybe it's because we've been spoiled with the likes of Heyman, Styles and JR, but the guy flat out does a bad job. Don't believe me, go re-watch Lesnar's return. Think of what JR would have done.
2. Top Face/Top Face vs. Top Heel/Top Heel main events- these are boring. RAW used to have good main events in the attitude era like ladder mataches, and it had nothing to do with it being the attitude era, just that they made better matches.
3. HHH- As long as this guy is in charge, the right guys will not get complete pushes. He will allow Randy Orton to keep burying talent.
4. Brock Lesnar- I know he has a limited number of dates, but he equals ratings. The 2-3 episodes he was on were the most compelling, entertaining RAW's in years.
Reflection
is a happier and wiser man
That's a bad sign... For Punk, for Bryan, and for all of us that prefer watching them over the two boring Johns. Last time WWE panicked because of poor reception, an example was made out of Miz so bad, that his character hasn't recovered from it yet. It would be sad Sad SAD... to watch Punk and Bryan being stripped off their position at the top of the card (second from top, actually. Superman is permanent #1). Apart from two other shows airing at the same time, I think if anyone is to be blamed for the ratings debacle, its Lauranitis for evidently breaking Garrett bischoff's record of being the most unwatchable **** in the business right now!
cult_of_icecream_bar
Pre-Show Stalwart
The ratings should decline.I don't even watch raw on youtube.It's been total CRAP since ER.Punk-Bryan should've been the ME,cause it's the only match match on card that'll draw the male demo.They forget that Cena-Show draws kids who watch till 10.Being on 10 won't mean it's a midcard feud.They fail to give good storylines,timely booking yet blame on the talent who bring them loads of money by merch.Who the hell would watch a crappy show on a holiday?
closet_fan
Mid-Card Championship Winner
I think the big reason people tuned out of the match was because there wasn't anything on the line. I wish the WWE would put the heavyweight title on the line more like they used to and make us believe the contender actually has a shot at winning. Hell even have him win.
When Kane beat Stone Cold for the title, it changed hands again on that Monday's RAW.
closet_fan
Mid-Card Championship Winner
I know Vince doesn't like to give in, but maybe he should rethink about the possibility of giving Lesnar more dates and more money. They pretty much blew their initial load by having him on so many times right after Wrestlemania. They can't possibly hold him out until after December can they? That's just ridiculous.
If they have to do that, then they should try to entice someone else back who can make up for all those missed months.
closet_fan
Mid-Card Championship Winner
The biggest thing that bothers me is the fact that they are blaming a debut of another show. That shouldn't mean anything. If your core audience is going to watch every week, they can easily DVR another show and watch it later. Or not have interest in it at all.
This is just an excuse on their part to say "Hey it's not our fault. The Hatfields and McCoys were on."
If that's the case, you could blame other channels every week with so many new shows popping up on an almost weekly basis anymore.
This is just an excuse on their part to say "Hey it's not our fault. The Hatfields and McCoys were on."
If that's the case, you could blame other channels every week with so many new shows popping up on an almost weekly basis anymore.
slice_of_life
Pre-Show Stalwart
WCW Nitro was the #1 show on TV in the mid-to-late 90's on a tighter budget than the WWE. i know times have changed, but TV is king today and the drop off is alarming. WWE needs to understand that they have only themselves to blame for their ratings.
FFor me the card is the biggest problem. They book terrible matches, i guess because it's not a PPV. Earth to WWE: you use RAW to get people interested in buying the PPV's. You should be booking good matches for RAW to give people intrigue heading into PPV's so they will watch. Tag team main events and a show where titles never change hands equals boring TV.
FFor me the card is the biggest problem. They book terrible matches, i guess because it's not a PPV. Earth to WWE: you use RAW to get people interested in buying the PPV's. You should be booking good matches for RAW to give people intrigue heading into PPV's so they will watch. Tag team main events and a show where titles never change hands equals boring TV.
Jack-Hammer
YOU WILL RESPECT MY AUTHORITAH!!!!
It's true that Vince does overreact when it comes to Raw doing a bad rating. It's not as if there wasn't legit reason for it last Monday. The NBA Playoffs drew almost 9 million viewers and the first part of the Hatfields & McCoys drew almost 14 million, which History touts as the most number of viewers for any non-sports related show in the history of cable.
In the grand scheme of things, the rating wasn't nearly as bad as I thought it'd be. Both hours drew practically the same number of viewers, reports show that demographic ratings were virtually even with last week and the show did draw nearly 4 million viewers overall. If the numbers aren't significantly better after next week's Raw, when there's not going to be such massive competition and the lack of a holiday, then maybe there'll be reason to start getting concerned.
In the grand scheme of things, the rating wasn't nearly as bad as I thought it'd be. Both hours drew practically the same number of viewers, reports show that demographic ratings were virtually even with last week and the show did draw nearly 4 million viewers overall. If the numbers aren't significantly better after next week's Raw, when there's not going to be such massive competition and the lack of a holiday, then maybe there'll be reason to start getting concerned.
Ol'Canucklehead
Pre-Show Stalwart
I could be wrong but WCW didn't even have a budget. lol They threw around money like it was going out of style.
What the WWE needs is simple. Better storytelling. The audience needs to feel compelled to tune in every week. Regurgitating stories doesn't do this. There are no more surprises and the end of Raw is never a cliffhanger anymore. The Big Show beating up 3 people and kicking a table was lame. I was actually looking forward to seeing Show and Brodus go at it. I felt a little excited during their confrontation in the back and what did the WWE do? Pfffffffffft all over it. And we get to see Big Shows face for the last 20 seconds of Raw. Like that was a cliffhanger. So it's simple. Better writing.
Well WWE needs to be concerned especially now that tna is live and could possibly beat a 2.7 rating. TNA could grow like wcw and possibly dominate the WWE back when WCW was around in the late 80's - early 90's wcw was not even considered competition by the WWE until when wwe lost major stars suck as Hall, Nash, Hogan, Hart to wcw and continued to dominate the WWE in the ratings in the mid 90's.
Hetfields and McCoys will Probably be on next monday i assume an that may also hurt the ratings also John Cena will be back on raw monday which will boost ratings slightly but not much. Instead of having Brodus Clay in the main event they could have had punk vs bryan
Hetfields and McCoys will Probably be on next monday i assume an that may also hurt the ratings also John Cena will be back on raw monday which will boost ratings slightly but not much. Instead of having Brodus Clay in the main event they could have had punk vs bryan
PlayTheGame
The Cerebral Assassin
First off, it's obvious why the show drew a bad rating. It wasn't a good show, and there was plenty of other quality stuff to watch that night. That yields a 2.7, plain and simple. Moving forward, the show will most likely be better with probably less quality competition from other channels, and will get back to the 3's.
That being said, I don't see how anyone can say the WWE overreacts when Raw draws a bad rating. Raw is the flagship show of the WWE, a huge, publicly-traded, global company. One bad-rating show might not mean much, but if all of a sudden there were a few in a row, heads would most likely roll and revenue could potentially be lost. There's a necessary reaction ("overreaction", as some people are calling it) to return to top-form quickly so the aforementioned slump doesn't occur, as people's jobs are at stake, as is the fiscal success of the company. Another factor is that if wrestling were very hot right now and if WWE had 0 competition, then they may not care as much about this either. But in reality, it's not a perfect world for WWE right now, as the popularity of wrestling is down huge right now and TNA is still around.
Business-wise, the WWE is already unhappy and unsatisified with its low 3 ratings, so when they occassionally dip down below that mark, it sparks an understandable concern that forces them to do everything in their power to get back up to the 3-mark. (If you get a bad grade on a test, aren't you sure to study harder for the next one in order to get back on track?) Each sub-rated 3 show may not seem like a big deal to us, but it's the WWE's responsibility to get back to top-form, produce a better show the following week, and pull their ratings up, for the sake of their business. Don't forget, it's still a business, and when a business flounders (even for a temporary period, such as a week), the businessmen that run it are sure to react and do something about it.
Even though the WWE pulls 3's most weeks (and has done WAY better in the past), right now it's an obvious struggle for them to pull those numbers, because each year their ratings have continued to decline. For a company that's looking slightly worse year-by-year in the TV ratings department, I don't think you can really appropriately use the term "overreaction" when describing how they handle their worst rating of the year.
That being said, I don't see how anyone can say the WWE overreacts when Raw draws a bad rating. Raw is the flagship show of the WWE, a huge, publicly-traded, global company. One bad-rating show might not mean much, but if all of a sudden there were a few in a row, heads would most likely roll and revenue could potentially be lost. There's a necessary reaction ("overreaction", as some people are calling it) to return to top-form quickly so the aforementioned slump doesn't occur, as people's jobs are at stake, as is the fiscal success of the company. Another factor is that if wrestling were very hot right now and if WWE had 0 competition, then they may not care as much about this either. But in reality, it's not a perfect world for WWE right now, as the popularity of wrestling is down huge right now and TNA is still around.
Business-wise, the WWE is already unhappy and unsatisified with its low 3 ratings, so when they occassionally dip down below that mark, it sparks an understandable concern that forces them to do everything in their power to get back up to the 3-mark. (If you get a bad grade on a test, aren't you sure to study harder for the next one in order to get back on track?) Each sub-rated 3 show may not seem like a big deal to us, but it's the WWE's responsibility to get back to top-form, produce a better show the following week, and pull their ratings up, for the sake of their business. Don't forget, it's still a business, and when a business flounders (even for a temporary period, such as a week), the businessmen that run it are sure to react and do something about it.
Even though the WWE pulls 3's most weeks (and has done WAY better in the past), right now it's an obvious struggle for them to pull those numbers, because each year their ratings have continued to decline. For a company that's looking slightly worse year-by-year in the TV ratings department, I don't think you can really appropriately use the term "overreaction" when describing how they handle their worst rating of the year.
Ol'Canucklehead
Pre-Show Stalwart
No offense but can I have some of whatever your smoking? TNA is far from a 2.7 which was wishful thinking. Try a 0.89 rating. Which is down from last week. They will never compete on the same level as WCW did.
Mustang Sally
Sells seashells by the seashore
If WWE is in a panic over the lousy rating this week, it means Vince McMahon is in a panic; I truly wonder if the rest of the folks in management would be that concerned over one bad week if Vince wasn't around. Apparently, being Vince McMahon means existing in a continual state of apoplexy, sweating the small stuff....and making everyone's life miserable over details that are really just an inescapable function of producing a weekly show.
Of course, if Vince wasn't being Vince, WWE.....and the entire pro wrestling industry.....wouldn't be what it is today. Those of you who clamor for new ideas, yet detest every new thing WWE comes up with, have an ally in Vince McMahon, whether you know it or not. He's forever trying new things and discarding old ones while trying his best to grow the business.
Still, this week's low rating is easily explained and while the company (read: Vince) should never be completely unconcerned about a particularly bad week, there's little sense in going into panic mode when a show that airs 52 times a week comes in low on the Neilsens' for one episode. But that's Vince McMahon.
Personally, I wouldn't want to work for him, would you? I value my sanity.
Of course, if Vince wasn't being Vince, WWE.....and the entire pro wrestling industry.....wouldn't be what it is today. Those of you who clamor for new ideas, yet detest every new thing WWE comes up with, have an ally in Vince McMahon, whether you know it or not. He's forever trying new things and discarding old ones while trying his best to grow the business.
Still, this week's low rating is easily explained and while the company (read: Vince) should never be completely unconcerned about a particularly bad week, there's little sense in going into panic mode when a show that airs 52 times a week comes in low on the Neilsens' for one episode. But that's Vince McMahon.
Personally, I wouldn't want to work for him, would you? I value my sanity.
