WWE has done it again

[ScouseSlammer2010]

I Actually Thought Jomo And Miz Was A Good Match . Yet I Fail Too See Why We Should See Orton ... Again Vs Miz And In A Title Match . Hopefully It Will Get Spiced Up A A Little ... Someone Like Jomo Or Wade Demanding That They Take Part In The Match . Then One Of Those Win The Match And To Are Delight Miz And Alex Riley Move To Smackdown Only For Del Rio To Come To RAW !

Thoughts ?


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And You Do Know That

 

[RKOx7]

Yeah but look at how many title matches hes been in in the past year since wrestlemania compared to others.

Extreme Rules - Lost to Jack Swagger in a WHC match (which made no sense btw)
Fatal 4 Way - Lost to Sheamus
Summerslam - Randy beat Sheamus via DQ
NoC - Won the 6 pack challenge, new WWE champion
TLC - 1st rematch, Randy lost
Royal Rumble - Randy will lose

inevitably at Elimination Chamber Randy will also be in that title match and at Mania its going to be between Cena and Randy facing off against Miz, this entire year Randy has been in the championship scene in some way, shape or form except for 2 PPVs, Wrestlemania 26 and Over the Limit, Im counting MitB because well, if he would have won, he'd be up for a title shot, Im not saying Randy's as bad as Cena, but youve got to admit, hes sadly getting there, seriously, WWE couldnt give Morrison and Miz the title match at RR? Is WWE that self-consious that they think 2 new guys to the title scene would be a bad thing? Besides, who wants to see Randy vs Miz AGAIN -___- I was tired of it being Randy vs Sheamus for 4 months, this rivalry has yet to hit 3 and Im getting tired of it, now Miz vs Morrison would have been excellent since its STILL continuing -____- and even Barrett vs Miz or Sheamus vs Miz would have been great, but Im not too high with Randy vs Miz again

First of all, how did his title match with Swagger make no sense? He beat Swagger twice after he just turned face... it made perfect sense.

Second of all... he just turned babyface and it is expected he's gonna get a huge push like this. And even while he was in this title scene, he still managed to do other things like hold out on a feud with Edge this year. Randy vs Sheamus for 4 months? For real? Randy fought Sheamus 1 month going into Summerslam... 4 other people were involved going into Night of Champions... and then another month going into Hell in a Cell... that isn't a one on one feud. Randy's fought Jack Swagger/Edge/Cena/Sheamus/Wade Barrett/Chris Jericho/The Miz in regards to championships this year. Yeah thats a lot of people.

No Randy isn't getting to Cena status. The IWC will look at anyone who remotely starts becoming a popular babyface and winning titles and say they're turning into John Cena won't they.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

Wow..it amazes me how shortsighted some people are. As a few others have said, having The Miz face Randy Orton at the Royal Rumble makes a lot of sense. Last night, The Miz scored a great win over John Morrison in a tremendous match. The Miz looked like a determined champion and scored a win over a guy that's been red hot for about 4 months or so.

The plan for WM, at least for the moment based on what I read a few days ago, seems to be for The Miz to carry the title at least until WM. Plans can always change so I'm just going by latest backstage reports. So Miz going over a red hot rising star on live television is the first part of the scenario. The second part is having Miz main event a major WWE ppv, face a huge established long term star & multi-time World Champion and retain his title by defeating said champion. The end result is The Miz potentially gaining a huge chunk of credibility and that's not factoring in what's left to come in the several weeks between last night and the Rumble.

 

[CelticCorey]

Forgive me for sounding rude....But what a bunch of Cry-babies!!!!!!!!!!


Wow, Morrison lost his first WWE title match, Big Fuckin deal, it's not the end of his push. Morrison is going to get more and more WWE Championship opportunities as the year goes on, possibly even winning the Royal rumble. They Didn't make Morrison look "Weak" in any way, he competley dominated the match but took an unnecesary risk at the end that cost him the match, simple as that.

I swear people will find anything to complain about in this ******ed community called the "IWC". I just watched one of the most entertaning RAW's I have seen in a long while, and then I log onto my computer and see this crap? Stop trying to be a Booker, and just watch thing's unfold, it's much funner and stress-free that way.

Randy orton is just another victim of the IWC's inability to be pleased, Last year around this time he was getting praised by EVERYBODY!!! now everywhere you go people call him "Bland" and "Boring" ....what a crock of shit. He was the only baby-face in a Triple Threat cage match, your really that shocked he won? Sheamus vs The Miz at the rumble is a terrible idea, same with Wade vs Miz, Who would the crowd cheer for? You need to have a balance of Boo's and cheer's in a title match.

Sorry If I sounded a bit "Dickish", But damn.....

I was not expecting Morrison to win. Personally I didn't want him to because it would've been too soon.

I have rarely ever been an Orton fan. I like him during his brief face run in 2004. He was good as a heel but now though it just gets annoying. I knew he would win; but that doesn't mean I wanted him to win.

 

[chapman_001]

I think the reasons they have done this is maybe simply because they plan on having Miz as a long term champion.

Following his first few defences, having Miz beat Morrison cleanly (without Riley, Cole), followed by possibly (hopefully) another clean victory against Orton at Royal Rumble should go a large way towards pushing Miz as a 'strong' champion,

Although this could have arguably still been achieved by waiting until RR and then EC respectively, the only thing I can think of is that the creative team must be delaying Morrisons push for the time being, based on the fact that a new champion defending against a first time challenger maybe wont get as many buys of a PPV as putting a now-stronger looking Miz against Orton, especially now with Cena's injury probably costing quite a few viewers of Royal Rumble already if he isnt on the card.

Im not a fan of the Miz, but I do hope he retains against Orton at RR, and indeed all the way up until Wrestlemania, by which time they could have even built the Morrison feud back up again because last nights match was, as mentioned by others, PPV quality.

 

[therealjota]

i can see jomo finding his way into the rumble title match, making it a 3-way dance. it could start a feud between orton/jomo if they wanted to go that route. it all depends on if they plan to have miz carry that title to WM. if they do, just having a one-on-one match with miz again @ rumble doesn't make much sense to me.

 

[MVP12]

I agree with you that wwe dropped the ball on this one...before last week when i saw that morrison was the number one contender i was looking forward to it being at the Royal Rumble since I am going this year, but now i have to sit through another miz orton match? give me a break. I would have even liked to see sheamus vs miz rather than orton...and let me guess, smackdown will have another kane vs edge title match? well at least i have the rumble to look forward too

 

[Mustang Sally]

I thought WWE handled it properly. Although Morrison was being called the #1 contender, I don't think he's ready to win the world title. The guy barely does any promo work, and a champion has to have an established personality outside the ring as well as the look of a champ inside it. Whether you like Miz or not, he certainly has the persona for interviews.

Morrison just doesn't seem to have the flair (no pun intended) that gets us excited about him when he's not wrestling. That's not to say he can't gain the personality with more experience.....and it definitely isn't to say he'll never be the champion. Not yet, though.

Meanwhile, the company wanted to start the new year off with a PPV-worthy match on free TV, and I think they did a good job by offering us this one. Also, even if this had occurred on a PPV, I don't think Morrison had any more chance of taking the title from Miz than Jerry Lawler did.


NOTE: Did anyone notice how close Morrison came to impaling himself with that table leg when he landed? Talk about a near miss.

 

[Serious Mozzarella]

I think people are being way too hard on the WWE right now. This match was supposed to be the explosion that kicked the WWE right into 2011, and it did just that. It was an absolutely fantastic match.

It was a way to get Morrison into a title match with Miz, whom he has great chemistry with, without propelling him into a title scene he's not ready for. I don't really think they meant to propel Morrison into the title scene just yet.

However, I'm inclined to agree with a lot of other posters in this thread -- I really, REALLY don't want to see Orton with the title right now. Yeah, he's cool, and I like him, but he really doesn't have the energy the WWE needs right now. He'd be great in a grudge feud right now, or possibly still chasing the title.

 

[DirtSheet]

I agree with you but I still don't think all is lost for Morrison. I can see him, somehow, entering the WWE Championship match, maybe even alongside the King. But they definitly want to bring JoMo up and what better way to do it than give him a title shot at a Big 4 PPV.

I am a big Orton fan but I feel as if he shouldn't have gotten another title shot but oh well

 

[wwe4ever]

This discussion is about the outcomes of the two main events that took place on Raw. Lets highlight the major results:
1- John Morrison lost his title match ON RAW!!! WTF
2- Randy Orton is the new no. 1 contender
3- Wade Barrett is out of Nexus
4- Sheamus...well, he lost his match.

So where does this lead us? I will answer in the same order as above:

1- JoMo will be in the rumble match...maybe final four, but he will not win it, and he will win MITB at WM then cash in on a vulnerable face champion on the same night, thus turning heel himself.
2- Randy will not win the title at RR, he'll not win it at EC, and I don't know why the hell they don't move him to a non-title feud against someone else.
3- Wade Barrett is already a tweener right now.... he's heel against Cena....he's face against Punk...right?
There are two paths for him right now:
a) If Punk and Cena are in a singles match at RR, have Barrett either as a guest referee or have him cost Punk the match somehow. If Punk and Cena are both in the rumble, have Barrett eliminate Punk then get beat down by other Nexus member, only to be helped by Cena. Then Barrett is eliminated with Cena having nothing to do with it. Cena wins the rumble match and faces Miz at WM.
Then Barrett eliminates Punk from the EC match, where Miz retains the title. There you go: Barrett vs Punk at WM in a Lumberjack match with Nexus surrounding the ring.
b) The return of the deadman to take his revenge from Barrett. I hate this one. Just give taker an easy match against Kane to save him for next year.
4- Sheamus...mmmm... I wonder why he is totally outside any feud right now... maybe it's because IT'S TIME TO PLAY THE GAME!!!!!! HHH will definitely return at RR, but he will be focused on Sheamus..He will get them both eliminated and they will fight allover the arena. Then they will face at WM.
Sorry I gave Wade Barrett more than the others, but I'm a huge fan of Barrett's, and I'm so excited about what's next for him. Just pleaaaaaaaasssssssseeeeeeeeee don't move him to smackdown.

Please tell me what you think of my scenarios. Cheers!!!

 

[Kofi/ZigglerClassic]

I was hoping Sheamus would've won the match only because I wanted to see The Miz/Sheamus feud that was brewing during Summerslam pick up steam again. Also I think it would've been a cool match to see.

 

[CelticCorey]

I thought WWE handled it properly. Although Morrison was being called the #1 contender, I don't think he's ready to win the world title. The guy barely does any promo work, and a champion has to have an established personality outside the ring as well as the look of a champ inside it. Whether you like Miz or not, he certainly has the persona for interviews.

Morrison just doesn't seem to have the flair (no pun intended) that gets us excited about him when he's not wrestling. That's not to say he can't gain the personality with more experience.....and it definitely isn't to say he'll never be the champion. Not yet, though.

Meanwhile, the company wanted to start the new year off with a PPV-worthy match on free TV, and I think they did a good job by offering us this one. Also, even if this had occurred on a PPV, I don't think Morrison had any more chance of taking the title from Miz than Jerry Lawler did.


NOTE: Did anyone notice how close Morrison came to impaling himself with that table leg when he landed? Talk about a near miss.

He doesn't have to win the World Title just yet; but as long as he keeps being built up properly for the main event and not all the way back to the midcard, that's all I can ask for. Morrison showed us he could be funny with the Dirt Sheet. Just have the wrestlers have that freedom again and have them make up their own material for promos. They could cut good promos on their own on TV PG without any writers writing their stuff. If the writers wanted to help JoMo, they could've had Morrison pin Miz instead of King. That does nothing for King. But here, red hot John Morrison pins the WWE Champion in a match? Now you're talking.

 

[Prince Punk]

I was never bashing people for their opinions I was bashing them for their "opinions" aka "OH GOD THAT WAS JUST TERRIBLE!!! MORRISON SHOULD BE CHAMPIONZ!!!" Just because they did not get what they wanted they say how much this person sucks and how horrible the world is. I'm attacking their inability to actually give an opinion. The assumptions being made were based off of the fact that a title match opened up raw and that JOMO lost. That's not an opinion of a 2 hour show that's a crying fest. If anything I'm trying to educate them on how to have a real opinion. They don't have to agree with anything I say but if you say the show was terrible as an enter entity then I want more than "what they did to jomo was stupid I hate the miz, Randy Orton is the next john cena and overrated" those are just ignorant statements

"This discussion is about the outcomes of the two main events that took place on Raw. Lets highlight the major results:
1- John Morrison lost his title match ON RAW!!! WTF
2- Randy Orton is the new no. 1 contender
3- Wade Barrett is out of Nexus
4- Sheamus...well, he lost his match.

So where does this lead us? I will answer in the same order as above:

1- JoMo will be in the rumble match...maybe final four, but he will not win it, and he will win MITB at WM then cash in on a vulnerable face champion on the same night, thus turning heel himself.
2- Randy will not win the title at RR, he'll not win it at EC, and I don't know why the hell they don't move him to a non-title feud against someone else.
3- Wade Barrett is already a tweener right now.... he's heel against Cena....he's face against Punk...right?
There are two paths for him right now:
a) If Punk and Cena are in a singles match at RR, have Barrett either as a guest referee or have him cost Punk the match somehow. If Punk and Cena are both in the rumble, have Barrett eliminate Punk then get beat down by other Nexus member, only to be helped by Cena. Then Barrett is eliminated with Cena having nothing to do with it. Cena wins the rumble match and faces Miz at WM.
Then Barrett eliminates Punk from the EC match, where Miz retains the title. There you go: Barrett vs Punk at WM in a Lumberjack match with Nexus surrounding the ring.
b) The return of the deadman to take his revenge from Barrett. I hate this one. Just give taker an easy match against Kane to save him for next year.
4- Sheamus...mmmm... I wonder why he is totally outside any feud right now... maybe it's because IT'S TIME TO PLAY THE GAME!!!!!! HHH will definitely return at RR, but he will be focused on Sheamus..He will get them both eliminated and they will fight allover the arena. Then they will face at WM.
Sorry I gave Wade Barrett more than the others, but I'm a huge fan of Barrett's, and I'm so excited about what's next for him. Just pleaaaaaaaasssssssseeeeeeeeee don't move him to smackdown.

Please tell me what you think of my scenarios. Cheers!!!"

This post by WWE4ever is an opinion I don't agree with everything he has to say in it but it's well thought out and worded and has sound logic and is not just a big pile of flaming. So I don't find it silly at all that I just request for people to actually use their brains when they post in any topic.

 

[Kofi/ZigglerClassic]

Hey, I just noticed cool statistic about Orton and Cena. From Wrestlemania 25 to RR 2011, Cena and Orton have successfully been in every WWE Title Pay Per View Match. Meaning if Cena wasn't in the WWE Title Match it was Orton and if Orton wasn't in, Cena was. It's a very interesting streak they have going on. Miz is facing Orton on RR and I'm pretty sure Orton will be in the Elimination Chamber WWE Title match. I'm also hearing rumors that Cena will face Miz or Orton for the WWE Title at WM27. So it looks like the streak will continue and might for the whole year.


I think it's only a matter of time before they face off one on one for the WWE Title this year. Question is: which pay per view will it take place? I'm wondering to make up for last year's stinker Over The Limit, they will book a Cena/Orton WWE Title Match for this year's OTL.

 

[UltimateHitman]

I agree with you that wwe dropped the ball on this one...before last week when i saw that morrison was the number one contender i was looking forward to it being at the Royal Rumble since I am going this year, but now i have to sit through another miz orton match? give me a break. I would have even liked to see sheamus vs miz rather than orton...and let me guess, smackdown will have another kane vs edge title match? well at least i have the rumble to look forward too

Actually, be happy about this and look at the positive. Either you can beat the traffic out of the parking lot, or you can get a good spot in the back for autographs since you could easily leave the event early. hehhehheh Anyway, I have to agree that having Miz go over Randy at the Rumble would be great. Not only would Miz have beaten him 3 times in a row, he would get more believability and credibility.

And people, please, stop referring to Orton as the next Cena. Cena is ten times the performer and person Orton is. Cena has personality. Cena can talk, has passion for the business, cares about fans and other talents alike, isn't a selfish crybaby that gets other guys' pushes ended, and isn't there just for a paycheck while coasting on his daddy's name and legacy. There's a huge difference.

 

[JBK2008]

I don't like that WWE wasted Morrison's oppurtunity on free tv. That said, it was still an incredible match and shows that he's ready for the ppv main event scene and will hopefully get another chance at it very soon! I don't get creatives logic sometimes. Orton is great to see and all, but a fresh face for a ppv title spot such as the Royal Rumbles should be used on an up and comer, as the title rarely changes hands this close to Mania.

 

[MonkeyRko]

i think the cage match on raw should of had wade barrett and randy orton both climb out at the same time so barrett could stay as the leader of nexus, be involved in the title picture as with orton and morrison still want a title match so they could have it a fatal four way match at the rumble.

 

[entertainer101]

I'm honestly infuriated with what they've done here.. Oh look a steel cage what's that for.

Morrison loses and then BAM #1 contender match the same night.. Randy Orton again...

Almost everything about tonight was wrong.

Seriously, there was a pay-per-view quality match to start the show which lasted about a half an hour in. Then as the main event we were treated to a triple threat cage match. And yet...you still find a reason to complain. Get over yourself. You don't know how to write a show better than them. That's why they get paid for it and you're stuck posting on a wrestling forum. Your job as a wrestling fan and someone who has zero influence over wrestling's storylines as a writer is to simply be entertained. If a PPV Main event type match plus a triple threat steel cage match can't entertain you then I don't know what more you could want.

 

[CelticCorey]

I'm not complaining about the main event triple threat cage match. I am complaining about the outcome.

Like I said in another thread: people order the Rumble for the Rumble (most do anyway) so I think WWE could've gotten away with Miz vs. Morrison for the title at the Rumble. Even if they DID do Morrison vs. Miz on TV, I will have animosity towards WWE for having King pin the Miz in that 6 man tag match instead of Morrison. Morrison didn't have to win the title; Morrison pinning Miz would amp things up. It's still more than what TNA has though.

 

[MizFit Brocko]

Seriously, there was a pay-per-view quality match to start the show which lasted about a half an hour in. Then as the main event we were treated to a triple threat cage match. And yet...you still find a reason to complain. Get over yourself. You don't know how to write a show better than them. That's why they get paid for it and you're stuck posting on a wrestling forum. Your job as a wrestling fan and someone who has zero influence over wrestling's storylines as a writer is to simply be entertained. If a PPV Main event type match plus a triple threat steel cage match can't entertain you then I don't know what more you could want.

I agree. Reading through this, i can't believe how many people are whining. We had 2 PPV worthy matches, on one RAW. A RAW that was free to watch.

I liked that they let Miz vs JoMo open the show, they had a brilliant match to open 2011, and who knows, maybe the plan is to have JoMo take the title from the Miz in the last match of 2011? Not saying Miz will still be champ or anything, but its a possibility. Ending the way 2011 started with these 2 going at it again in another amazing title match.

I understand however, people's problems with it yet again being Orton getting a title match, but oh well. They need to finally finish this feud, with hopefully a clean Miz victory. It's not like this was JoMo's final title match, he will have more.

 

[The_Reptile_]

Okay, people are upset that WWE started 2011 with a great match, with Miz actually getting a clean win (yeah, did Riley even do anything of note in that match?). Oh noes! He can't get a clean win, he sucks!



Then they get upset that RAW ended with a great cage match, with Orton being number one contender.

... Okay I'll give you this one, I am admittedly sick of Orton vs Miz, but if Miz actually gets a clean win, it would REALLY boost his ME cred, so I'll wait and see what happens.

... still think it should be Miz vs Morrison at RR though. Morrison's pretty much the third most over face on RAW right now, taking into consideration all the pops he's been getting lately*, and Miz is one of the top 5 heels, and have obvious chemistry against one another, it'd give us another awesome match!

* Subject to change of course.

 

[The Underking]

Okay, people are upset that WWE started 2011 with a great match, with Miz actually getting a clean win (yeah, did Riley even do anything of note in that match?). Oh noes! He can't get a clean win, he sucks!



Then they get upset that RAW ended with a great cage match, with Orton being number one contender.

... Okay I'll give you this one, I am admittedly sick of Orton vs Miz, but if Miz actually gets a clean win, it would REALLY boost his ME cred, so I'll wait and see what happens.

... still think it should be Miz vs Morrison at RR though. Morrison's pretty much the third most over face on RAW right now, taking into consideration all the pops he's been getting lately*, and Miz is one of the top 5 heels, and have obvious chemistry against one another, it'd give us another awesome match!

* Subject to change of course.

Yeah Riley did actually at the beginning Morrison had the match one until Riley stopped the count after the flying chuck and knee combo. Other then that he got his ass kicked quite alot.

As for anybody doing that Orton vs. Miz will sell more the majority of people by the Royal Rumble pay-per-view for the Royal Rumble you know it's namesake

 

[El Wyshu]

Okay, people are upset that WWE started 2011 with a great match, with Miz actually getting a clean win (yeah, did Riley even do anything of note in that match?). Oh noes! He can't get a clean win, he sucks!


Then they get upset that RAW ended with a great cage match, with Orton being number one contender.

... Okay I'll give you this one, I am admittedly sick of Orton vs Miz, but if Miz actually gets a clean win, it would REALLY boost his ME cred, so I'll wait and see what happens.

... still think it should be Miz vs Morrison at RR though. Morrison's pretty much the third most over face on RAW right now, taking into consideration all the pops he's been getting lately*, and Miz is one of the top 5 heels, and have obvious chemistry against one another, it'd give us another awesome match!

* Subject to change of course.

The Miz got a clean win.

Of course Riley tried to interfere but he only got his ass kicked throughout the match. And he himself kicked out of the Starship Pain which till now I've only seen Hardy do. HIMSELF!! No Michael Cole or Riley to help him. So ya, Riley was of no relevance to this match and only a punching bag.

But the fact that the WWE Title match would be a singles is still not confirmed. I have heard that WWE's pondering on if they should add Morrison or even Sheamus to make it a fatal-four-way though I don't think it's possible.

 

[manstis1804]

I understand people wanting Morrison's shot to occur at the pay-per-view, but I don't see whats so bad about the match opening the show. If anything, they were given a tremendous responsibility to kick the New Year off and to set the pace for a loaded show. Edge and Kane went on first on SD this week too, so I don't think it was a slight to Morrison at all. WWE's just trying to be all "wow!" and start off the year with a bang, tv show opening world title matches were their way of doing that. Also, the #1 contender match at the end doesn't hurt anything either, regardless of who the champ is they needed a number one contender.

It sucks that such well paced entertaining episode of Raw gets crapped on so much because of nitpicky things. Just because they didn't do exactly what you want them to do doesn't make it bad. I feel like people get too wrapped up in "this is the right booking decision, no doubt about it" and if things go the other way its time to criticize instead of waiting to see where things go. Who knows, maybe Morrison wins the belt at the Rumble, or wins the Rumble, and all is moot.

Be fans. Save the armchair booking for SD vs. Raw 2011.