WWE has done it again

[Diamond Dallas Cage]

Well its not the 1st time WWE has kinda did this to an up and coming star ... think of Edge.

Edge cashes in MITB on New Year's Revolution and wins the title in epic fashion ... then loses it 3 weeks later to Cena at the Rumble. If i remember correctly tho, he stayed out of the title picture for quite a while after that. He went to fight Foley at WM 22 and then teamed with him as they fought the newfound ECW throughout the summer.

 

[MattMorrison]

It's only a matter of time before John Morrison wins the title. He is one of the most talented wrestlers in the business today. He keeps proving himself night after night and the match he fought against the Miz was no exception. That fight was better than most of the PPV matches the WWE schedules. As much as I like Randy Orton, we need someone new like Morrison in the picture. Mark my words, he'll win the Royal Rumble.

 

[kris8524]

This has me bothered too, but i think maybe if JOMO doesnt get into the match a RR, then he will cost the miz the title setting up a feud with MIZ at mani. Which I almost see instantly happening because i feel Miz will loose the title by mania.

With barret i am confused, he could start up a different versio of nexus, fight along cena, or maybe get taker at mania. Otunga could come out close to mania and tell taker the reason they buried him was because Barret wanted to destroy him.

 

[DeathClutch]

People will bitch about Jomo putting Miz over tonight in what arguably one of if not the best match thats been on RAW since Shawn Michaels & Shelton from May 2005, which only serves JoMo in the long run.

JoMo is going on the Jeff Hardy storyline from 2007-2008, went for the title and put over the champion a bunch of times until he finally gets the belt and JoMo will get the belt by the end of the year.

People can't expect Miz to job the belt this soon in his reign regardless of how crediable JoMo looks at present.

 

[RKOx7]

JoMo is going on the Jeff Hardy storyline from 2007-2008, went for the title and put over the champion a bunch of times until he finally gets the belt and JoMo will get the belt by the end of the year.

Besides agreeing with you on the other JoMo stuff... please don't compare JoMo to the sloppy Jeff Hardy who in every way spit in the WWE's face after the chance he was given lol

JoMo has been putting people over since he became a singles competitor. Some people just aren't great on the mic... his mic skills will improve a bit over time but his athletic ability should speak volumes that he is due for a title run.

 

[The Eighties]

Nothing with the Miz in my opinion is that great. I'm not gonna complain about the Miz anymore, there's a thread for that. But Randy Orton and Miz do have a feud thats ongoing. Orton, as many feel like the Miz Girl, was cheated out of his Title. And like all of the champions before him who have been victims of an assault by a MITB winner, need to end their feuds with them. Miz's first win over Randy was controversial. Miz's second win over Randy was controversial, followed by a raging train wreck, and was dumb. This needs to happen and I'd rather it happen now then later.

I don't see how this match will garner any closure for the feud though, Orton won't win the title or lose clean so the feud will be in exactly the same place as it is now.

 

[RKOx7]

I don't see how this match will garner any closure for the feud though, Orton won't win the title or lose clean so the feud will be in exactly the same place as it is now.

Well, the simple reason being that the Royal Rumble is the last stop on 1 on 1 feuds before WrestleMania. After the Royal Rumble the WWE most like wont be about the Miz and Randy anymore... it can't because you have a Royal Rumble winner who has a guaranteed title shot, and you have 2 Elimination Chamber matches... which will either be for a title or for a number 1 contender's spot for the title. The feud has to come to an end. Also it will be the third match they will have. They probably won't have a fourth one after it either lol.

Its a prediction, but its backed up by a pattern which is that the royal rumble title matches are more or less feud enders. They never pick up after the Rumble.

And even if he doesn't lose clean its like this... he lost dirty twice already... he should know by now to accept that there will be a distinct disadvantage towards him, but he's putting it on the line and going in for a title match one more time knowing this. So if he loses again... unfairly... its not gonna be like... "OH I WANT A REMATCH..." its gonna be like "Fool me 3 times, shit, fuck me."

 

[WWEdomination4Life]

I was thinking the same thing. JoMo gets one shot and that's it and we move on to Orton getting another title match? The only thing good about that will be if Orton can take the strap from Miz.

 

[The Eighties]

Well, the simple reason being that the Royal Rumble is the last stop on 1 on 1 feuds before the Royal Rumble. After the Royal Rumble the WWE most like wont be about the Miz and Randy anymore... it can't because you have a Royal Rumble winner who has a guaranteed title shot, and you have 2 Elimination Chamber matches... which will either be for a title or for a number 1 contender's spot for the title. The feud has to come to an end. Also it will be the third match they will have. They probably won't have a fourth one after it either lol.

Its a prediction, but its backed up by a pattern which is that the royal rumble title matches are more or less feud enders. They never pick up after the Rumble.

And even if he doesn't lose clean its like this... he lost dirty twice already... he should know by now to accept that there will be a distinct disadvantage towards him, but he's putting it on the line and going in for a title match one more time knowing this. So if he loses again... unfairly... its not gonna be like... "OH I WANT A REMATCH..." its gonna be like "Fool me 3 times, shit, fuck me."

Randy lost his rematch pretty squarely though, I mean it was anything goes and Miz used quick thinking to pull out the win. I think Orton should have just entered the Rumble and then got into it with his next feud during an elimination, so he could leave the Miz for now.

However even if they are following the idea of it being in need of another match they should have came up with a way of throwing another guy in there, usually when there is a 3 series the matches warrant it, so far this Miz/Orton feud hasn't.

 

[RKOx7]

Randy lost his rematch pretty squarely though, I mean it was anything goes and Miz used quick thinking to pull out the win. I think Orton should have just entered the Rumble and then got into it with his next feud during an elimination, so he could leave the Miz for now.

However even if they are following the idea of it being in need of another match they should have came up with a way of throwing another guy in there, usually when there is a 3 series the matches warrant it, so far this Miz/Orton feud hasn't.

I wouldn't call quick thinking as not actually breaking the table and trying to sneak a victory... or throwing someone into someone else to win your match. That's like LayCool's argument on SmackDown, saying they were too skinny and didn't break the table until Natalya jumped on them.

I don't think there match necessarily warrants a third man... simply because Miz hasn't only feuded with Randy the past month but with Jerry Lawler and Morrison as well. Randy and Miz haven't really had a rivalry. Miz cashed in, the following week Randy wasn't there. He's entitled to a rematch and he got it. There was a number 1 contender in between... and now he's getting his match against the Miz. If anything Morrison may be thrown in next week. But this can be like Randy's Last Chance match... and I definitely see Miz doing something like that, saying if Orton loses again he won't get a title shot as long as Miz is Champion. Its been done before to Randy around this time as well by Triple H.

 

[The Eighties]

I wouldn't call quick thinking as not actually breaking the table and trying to sneak a victory... or throwing someone into someone else to win your match. That's like LayCool's argument on SmackDown, saying they were too skinny and didn't break the table until Natalya jumped on them.

I don't think there match necessarily warrants a third man... simply because Miz hasn't only feuded with Randy the past month but with Jerry Lawler and Morrison as well. Randy and Miz haven't really had a rivalry. Miz cashed in, the following week Randy wasn't there. He's entitled to a rematch and he got it. There was a number 1 contender in between... and now he's getting his match against the Miz. If anything Morrison may be thrown in next week. But this can be like Randy's Last Chance match... and I definitely see Miz doing something like that, saying if Orton loses again he won't get a title shot as long as Miz is Champion. Its been done before to Randy around this time as well by Triple H.

The only rule is you have to put someone through the table, and he was resourceful in pushing Riley into Orton so he fell through the table, for a coward heel that is actually a pretty smart finish IMO.

That's the thing though, he got his rematch and failed, giving him another one to fail again isn't really doing anything for Orton. You mentioned the King, I guess they could add him, but more than likely they'll slap a gimmick on it to try and make it less uninteresting.

 

[SMKM]

Seeing as how plans are for it to be Miz vs Cena at Wrestlemania I already knew JoMo wasnt going to win sadly so I wasn't entirely pissed Miz won, I was however pissed that A) Barrett was kicked out of Nexus, too predictable and imo stupid and B) Orton won tonight, nothing against the guy since I actually like Orton, but hes the new Cena, getting 3 too many title shots, I know at Elimination Chamber I can guarentee it'll be Miz (c) vs Orton vs Sheamus vs JoMo vs a combo between R-Truth/Khali and Punk/Barrett with Cena facing off against either Punk or Barrett depending on who's picked. I chose R-Truth and Khali because Khali's expected to return soon, and Truth is pretty much the only other midcarder who could be in a WWE title match with all these main eventers/future main eventers. I didnt put Cena in the match because you cant have Cena and Punk in the match and have Barrett do nothing, and you cant have Cena and Barrett in the match for the same reason, and you sure as hell cant have Punk and Barrett in the match because Cena would do nothing unless of course for some odd reason theyd do a 7 man elim with 3 guys starting, but that'd be stupid. Finally, I didn't pick HHH because I guarentee he WONT be in the title picture. Why? Easy, he's focusing on backstage more than wrestling, why the hell would he go for a title? And who's to say hes actually going to return soon?

 

[tytherock]

Morrison wont win the Royal Rumble. I'm betting it's going to be Triple H or someone else that is obvious.

I think you're going to see more of Morrison's huge spots at Elimination Chamber, where he wont win the belt and maybe see him get it around Backlash at the earliest...if that's what we're still calling the PPV after Wrestlemania...

As a side note, I think McIntyre wins MITB if they keep that at Mania and quite possibly wins a World Championship before Morrison.

 

[RKOx7]

B) Orton won tonight, nothing against the guy since I actually like Orton, but hes the new Cena, getting 3 too many title shots

I agreed with most of what you said except for what I quoted. I don't necessarily mind that he won tonight. I'm not HAPPY nor am I SAD that he won. But he most definitely is NOT the new John Cena. Cena has been on a 7 year push. Randy Orton has had a versatile career with fighting different people and not getting the title all the time.

Last year he didn't have a title match at WrestleMania...
He didn't even fight the champion on his show at Extreme Rules... but it was a title match.
He fought Edge at Over the Limit, no title involved...
He was in a Fatal 4Way Title Match that he didn't win
He lost Money in the Bank
He got cheated out of SummerSlam in his title match
He won a 6 pack challenge at Night of Champions
Lost to the Miz after 3 PPVs
Lost TLC in his rematch.

This is different from the usual John Cena pattern of being in every single title match in nearly every ppv for the past 6 years dontcha think?

Just because he's on a face push, doesn't mean he's the new John Cena.

 

[Nav316]

As sad as I believe each and every 1 of you guys are for wasting your lives constantly chatting away about wrestling on the internet, and should all go out and get laid, I will put in my 2 cents here (which next to all your opinions is worth about a billion dollars since I have both wrestling and business knowledge whereas the majority of you probably still live in your mother's basements)

JoMo will win the title at Wrestlemania. They are building him up as an underdog who will always come close but never quite make it. He is the next HBK and his boyhood dream will be realized at mania against the miz who will keep the title until then.

The feud between cm punk and wade will also culminate at Wrestlemania. Neither will be involved in a title match at mania, they will wrestle each other with some sort of nexus stipulation. I can see wade barrett turning face here.

The rest of you guys can go on stating your dumbass opinions and when Wrestlemania ends you will all see who as right. Me.

 

[Prince Punk]

Forgive me for sounding rude....But what a bunch of Cry-babies!!!!!!!!!!


Wow, Morrison lost his first WWE title match, Big Fuckin deal, it's not the end of his push. Morrison is going to get more and more WWE Championship opportunities as the year goes on, possibly even winning the Royal rumble. They Didn't make Morrison look "Weak" in any way, he competley dominated the match but took an unnecesary risk at the end that cost him the match, simple as that.

I swear people will find anything to complain about in this ******ed community called the "IWC". I just watched one of the most entertaning RAW's I have seen in a long while, and then I log onto my computer and see this crap? Stop trying to be a Booker, and just watch thing's unfold, it's much funner and stress-free that way.

Randy orton is just another victim of the IWC's inability to be pleased, Last year around this time he was getting praised by EVERYBODY!!! now everywhere you go people call him "Bland" and "Boring" ....what a crock of shit. He was the only baby-face in a Triple Threat cage match, your really that shocked he won? Sheamus vs The Miz at the rumble is a terrible idea, same with Wade vs Miz, Who would the crowd cheer for? You need to have a balance of Boo's and cheer's in a title match.

Sorry If I sounded a bit "Dickish", But damn.....

So this guy that I quoted is the only person before page 7 with a brain... After that honestly I think people were just jumping on his band wagon... See he is sorry if he sounds "Dickish" Me I'm going to be damn mad at myself if I don't.
The IWC proves once again just how ******ed they are... Your going to bitch about a WWE Title match opening the show? Your going to bitch about Morrison not being in the title match at the RR? And your going to scream about Orton being #1 contender again.. I'm glad none of you are writers for the WWE you would have the product in about the same shitty state as TNA. Actually I'm sorry I really should not even insult TNA as you people can get that ******ed.
So knowing that most of you won't get past me calling you ******ed and your going to start bitching at me this next part is for the few people on this board with a brain. What they just did with Raw was the BEST thing they could do for their product. JOMO looked VERY VERY strong He looked like he belonged in that match. The fans are behind him and he can put on a match. They then name Orton #1 contender after a main event CAGE match (which I believe you also bitched about in a few replies) and that was brilliant.

A. JOMO proved that he belongs in title contention they can pull that trigger when ever they want and he will be able to run with it from a wrestling stand point(mic work is still a little lacking but hey he is better than either Hardy) He also helped get the miz over as a credible champion (the guy has been like sheamus he had no "clean" defenses to his name)

B. Putting Orton in the title match at the RR is great as long as they keep the belt on Miz. The main event of the show is the RR you NEVER order the RR for a title match (if you do your proving my point about you being a ******) now I'm not saying the matches are not worth watching but if you really think your hero or anti hero is going to win the title at the RR then you really are stupid. This is a chance for Miz to go over clean and move on past Orton and I know Orton will do the Job (Hell he put over Jack Swagger as World Champion)

C. The Match opening Raw was a great move as by it being at the opening you could do multiple things.
1. Give it as much time as you want with minimal damage to the rest of the show.
2. Find a new No.1 contender should the No.1 contender fail to capture the gold.
Just because it opens up the show does not mean it's a "curtin Jerking" match. JOMO was in no way held down by that loss even though he lost clean to a Heel. The match itself showed him as a strong force to be reckoned with.

D. Final point. They tested the waters with Morrison proved he could hang with the big boys made miz look credible and as long as they don't give the belt back to Orton at the RR they will make Miz a credible Heel champion and establish him in the main event. Morrison vs. Miz is a great pair and I have no doubt they will one day main event many a ppv. However neither of them are established stars so the only one who really suffers at the RR if they were to square off is the Miz win or lose he gains nothing. This also does open up the possibility to do what ever you want with Morrison.

So you see Smarks it's called good booking, and furthering storylines and actually letting champions have a true title reign instead of holding the belt for a month and then hot shotting it to the next guy in line. I mean I know it's been awhile since you have seen a wrestler have an actual reign being as the last three long reigns were quite a few years back between JBL's one of Cena's and HHH's Heel run but stop being so ADD and bitchy and enjoy the PRODUCT and story seeing as right now they are actually doing some pretty compelling stuff in comparison to the crap thy normally pull.

 

[The Eighties]

^^^ You clearly didn't read all of the posts as nothing I said on page 4 fits what you are spewing at people in the above post.

It wasn't a total bust as far as booking goes, it had it's pros and cons, but coming in here like you're a master of booking knowledge and attacking posters is not coming off as dickish, just silly.

Also this board doesn't have any smarks from what I've seen, most seem to be WWE fans with opinions, but they don't fit the definition of an IWC smark.

 

[SMKM]

I agreed with most of what you said except for what I quoted. I don't necessarily mind that he won tonight. I'm not HAPPY nor am I SAD that he won. But he most definitely is NOT the new John Cena. Cena has been on a 7 year push. Randy Orton has had a versatile career with fighting different people and not getting the title all the time.

Last year he didn't have a title match at WrestleMania...
He didn't even fight the champion on his show at Extreme Rules... but it was a title match.
He fought Edge at Over the Limit, no title involved...
He was in a Fatal 4Way Title Match that he didn't win
He lost Money in the Bank
He got cheated out of SummerSlam in his title match
He won a 6 pack challenge at Night of Champions
Lost to the Miz after 3 PPVs
Lost TLC in his rematch.

This is different from the usual John Cena pattern of being in every single title match in nearly every ppv for the past 6 years dontcha think?

Just because he's on a face push, doesn't mean he's the new John Cena.

Yeah but look at how many title matches hes been in in the past year since wrestlemania compared to others.

Extreme Rules - Lost to Jack Swagger in a WHC match (which made no sense btw)
Fatal 4 Way - Lost to Sheamus
Summerslam - Randy beat Sheamus via DQ
NoC - Won the 6 pack challenge, new WWE champion
TLC - 1st rematch, Randy lost
Royal Rumble - Randy will lose

inevitably at Elimination Chamber Randy will also be in that title match and at Mania its going to be between Cena and Randy facing off against Miz, this entire year Randy has been in the championship scene in some way, shape or form except for 2 PPVs, Wrestlemania 26 and Over the Limit, Im counting MitB because well, if he would have won, he'd be up for a title shot, Im not saying Randy's as bad as Cena, but youve got to admit, hes sadly getting there, seriously, WWE couldnt give Morrison and Miz the title match at RR? Is WWE that self-consious that they think 2 new guys to the title scene would be a bad thing? Besides, who wants to see Randy vs Miz AGAIN -___- I was tired of it being Randy vs Sheamus for 4 months, this rivalry has yet to hit 3 and Im getting tired of it, now Miz vs Morrison would have been excellent since its STILL continuing -____- and even Barrett vs Miz or Sheamus vs Miz would have been great, but Im not too high with Randy vs Miz again

 

[LSN80]

I want to see Orton in another title match. It only makes sense given the circumstancesa of his last two title matches with Miz. He lost the title to Miz in a Money in the Bank cash-in, then lost his rematch when Alex Riley interfered. Im interested in what Orton and Miz can do in a straight up one on one match without a gimmick or stipulation involved. I was a little disapointed that they gave Morrison such a huge push and a win over Sheamus at TLC, but even that win means less now as Sheamus has beeen jobbing every single week.

The Rumble also creates an opportunity for Morrison. Unlike years past, hes taking a prominent role in the main event scene. So instead of being eliminated 15th, I expect him to be there in the final five. He's really become someone the fans can get behind, and i think this is only the first of many championship opportunities for the WWE Title that we'll see for John Morrison. Unless youre the face of the company, you generally dont win the title on your first try. Heck, even John Cena lost his first WWE title match, and now he's a nine time champion. Im not suggesting Morrison is the next Cena, but I certainly think he has the physical tools to hang around the main event scene for some time. The key here, as for any new main eventer, is patience. WWE hasn't dropped the ball, they simply havent given the ball to Morrison to run with yet. In time, I believe they will, but tonight was about testing the waters, and he definitely passed the test. Patience is the key here, both for Morrison fans and Morrison himself.

 

[Prince Punk]

^^^ You clearly didn't read all of the posts as nothing I said on page 4 fits what you are spewing at people in the above post.

It wasn't a total bust as far as booking goes, it had it's pros and cons, but coming in here like you're a master of booking knowledge and attacking posters is not coming off as dickish, just silly.

Also this board doesn't have any smarks from what I've seen, most seem to be WWE fans with opinions, but they don't fit the definition of an IWC smark.

It had nothing to do with booking knowledge it had everything to do with creative which there is a huge difference. Also I was attacking posters for having stupid thoughts and opinions and only looking at Raw as the night their hero did not become the champion. and due to this they felt it was all for nothing and as for your post on page 4 I simply overlooked it but seeing as I made that ambiguous statement about the pages before 7 and then picked the intended targets throughout my post aiming at the people who were just flaming (as they had no logic behind their opinion they were just posting to get on a band wagon) I felt compelled to share my opinion of how stupid they sounded. Now if you think my logic or ideals sounded silly then please try and point out where you think I'm wrong as if you watched Raw last night you can see where everything I said from a creative point or even from a BASIC booking point would make sense as you got all three guys over without making one of them look weak.

 

[Ferbian]

Ehm, big fucking deal? Why would WWE want to have one of their big 4 Pay Per Views main evented by a new champion, mixed with a new main eventer? Neither one of them is established enough in the main event to truly carry the main event together. Letting Randy Orton get another world title shot works because it makes the world title match something worth watching, because Randy Orton is hugely over (And more over than John Morrison as well).

I don't mind the fact that Randy got to get the title shot. Not only does it not make sense to have Sheamus or Wade Barrett facing off against The Miz, due to the fact that they're all heels. But also I'm quite thankful to the fact that I won't have to watch John Morrison in a world title shot at least till after the Royal Rumble.

This works just fine for me.

 

[LilacFray]

YEAH! ^____^ I'm glad Orton became the #1 Contender cos yeah, I think he deserves it X) I totally count on him to ending the " Era of Awesomeness " for good. And I wanted Barrett to lose anyhow so that he wouldn't be in Nexus.. Always thought he'd be better as an individual wrestler instead of havin those guys troopin around behind him.. Oh well time would tell

 

[The Eighties]

It had nothing to do with booking knowledge it had everything to do with creative which there is a huge difference. Also I was attacking posters for having stupid thoughts and opinions and only looking at Raw as the night their hero did not become the champion. and due to this they felt it was all for nothing and as for your post on page 4 I simply overlooked it but seeing as I made that ambiguous statement about the pages before 7 and then picked the intended targets throughout my post aiming at the people who were just flaming (as they had no logic behind their opinion they were just posting to get on a band wagon) I felt compelled to share my opinion of how stupid they sounded. Now if you think my logic or ideals sounded silly then please try and point out where you think I'm wrong as if you watched Raw last night you can see where everything I said from a creative point or even from a BASIC booking point would make sense as you got all three guys over without making one of them look weak.

I was calling the stance of coming in here throwing around insults as silly, as it is on any message board, points put calmly will always be of more use than ones laced with playground style attacks on people that simply don't share your opinion.

Personally I think things could have been booked better as regards the latter part of the show, but overall I have no particular gripe, however people have the rights to a view and whether I agree with it or not despite having followed the business for 20 years, I try to avoid coming at people as if somehow my take on events is superior.

 

[XXJJ]

I have no problem that Orton is facing Miz, I look forward to that match. Royal Rumble is one of the biggest ppv's they are going to put an establish star in the main event. Putting Sheamus in the main event against Miz makes no sense. They will risk the possibilty that Miz starts getting cheered.

Miz and Morrison had a great match on raw. Morrison is getting a huge push. He will stay involved in title contention. People are acting like its the end of his career because he is not in royal rumble main event.

 

[xBANEx]

In all honesty, I'd rather see Orton vs [insert whomever here] for the 900th time than JoMo vs anyone. Although his match with Miz did suprise me (who knew the guy could be atleast semi-entertaining? Sure as hell wasn't me) he's still a snoozefest, in my opinion.

Maybe he'll win the royal rumble and they'll make it a triple threat match or something? -shrugs-

Also, about the people complaining about Orton being the #1 contender....really? Orton vs Sheamus vs Barrett? Barrett is obviously still involved in the Nexus angle and Sheamus vs Trips when he returns.