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I don't know if I am allowed to use a "F-bomb" in the title so if not my bad. Here is the thing though on Sports King they are reporting there is plans to turn Ziggler heel at Fast Lane costing him the match against Reigns for "standing him up." But I hope this isn't true because it puts even more heat on Reigns. The past few weeks WWE has been treating Reigns as the #1 guy, Bryan as the #2 guy, Ambrose as the #3 guy,and Cena as the #4 guy, Ziggler as the #5 guy when it comes to the faces. They have been a decent job getting fans on Reigns side. Whether you like or not he is the most popular and most talked about guy in WWE right now (not talking cheers or boo's.) There is no superstar more talked about in WWE than Reigns right now. Hell, I forgot Cena was still around. But that will be all for nothing if they have him win at Fast Lane with Ziggler's help. If WWE was smart they would have the two work a 25 -30 minute hard fought match with some great spots that have the fans chanting "this is awesome."After Reigns wins after a hard fought battle, Bryan claps on the ramp and shakes his hand and raises it up and leads a "Yes!" chant. That is the way to get him back on his side. The thing is the fans will be excited about what they just witness in the match they wouldn't want to boo him. If Ziggler helps he will be booed out the building and getting more "bullshit" chants. Meanwhile, Ziggler who have just turned heel won't get heel heat...he will have toxic heat. With Bryan endorsing Reigns at the end it works better than Rock because if Bryan respects him the fans will. That's just my opinion how do you think it will go down.
 
I agree with you. As for the report, I don't think it's true. Why should Ziggler interfere in Bryan vs Reigns, when he has nothing to do with either guy? (I didn't get the "standing him up" part of your post, maybe I missed something). He was in the Survivor Series elimination tag team match, so it would make sense if he were to screw Cena, Ryback or Rowan... although that would waste the rub he got from the whole Authority angle.
And yes, Reigns too needs the clean win over Bryan in a great match to earn back the fans' respect. So I don't see this whole scenario playing out.
 
I think that he only needs a clean win if he's going into Mania as a face. I'm not certain that putting face Reigns against tweener Lesnar is very smart, honestly.
 
If Ziggler interferes and costs Bryan the match, and if Reigns wins after that, then this has to turn Reigns heel; otherwise, it'll not benefit Reigns at all. Reigns needs a strong win going into Mania, especially against Lesnar. Also, I am not big on Ziggler's turn. Why turn one of your most popular face, and that too without any solid reason? If they want Ziggler vs Bryan, that can work as face vs face.

Reigns needs all the momentum he can get and this way, there's not much to gain unless they are ready to turn him heel.
 
I agree, if the ultimate goal is to push Reigns as face, don't even think about doing it, Reigns already got all the heat for idiotic Royal Rumble match, couple more times and he will have a pretty good chance getting X-pac heat.
 
Seth Rollins should be a face, he is very entertaining and a great wrestler. Would love to see a face Rollins fued with a heel Reigns after Reigns wins the title at WM. Rollins is the new CM Punk basically
 
Why turn Ziggler heel at all? You mention the top 5 faces being Reigns, Bryan, Ambrose, Cena, and Ziggler, but the only 3 faces out of these 5 that fans are fully behind (for the most part) are Bryan, Ambrose and Ziggler. Why turn Ziggler heel when it isn't necessary at all? A lot of fans have seen the back and forth on twitter between Dolph and Bryan, and it was all a friendly exchange. No need to force one of these guys to turn heel just for one match, let it be a friendly, face vs. face competition at Wrestlemania. They're already lacking quality face personnel as it is. Not every match needs to be heel vs. face.
 
I agree with you. As for the report, I don't think it's true. Why should Ziggler interfere in Bryan vs Reigns, when he has nothing to do with either guy? (I didn't get the "standing him up" part of your post, maybe I missed something). He was in the Survivor Series elimination tag team match, so it would make sense if he were to screw Cena, Ryback or Rowan... although that would waste the rub he got from the whole Authority angle.
And yes, Reigns too needs the clean win over Bryan in a great match to earn back the fans' respect. So I don't see this whole scenario playing out.

It has been reported lately that plans call for Bryan vs. Ziggler at Mania. It started on Twitter when Ziggler asked Bryan for a match at Mania. Bryan would then tweet back and accept the challenge. Apparently Bryan then in went to WWE management and requested the match and they made the match official.
 
It has been reported lately that plans call for Bryan vs. Ziggler at Mania. It started on Twitter when Ziggler asked Bryan for a match at Mania. Bryan would then tweet back and accept the challenge. Apparently Bryan then in went to WWE management and requested the match and they made the match official.

Oh yeah, I saw that twitter thing, I remember now. That's very interesting... I have no doubts regarding the quality of the match these two will put up, but... what do either of them have to gain- Bryan from beating Ziggler and Ziggler losing all public support after everything that he has gone through? I get that not every match is about gaining something, but fans might see that as a filler feud (compared to what they wanted) and get pissed off even more. On the other hand, the guys in charge would be hoping that since the disappointed lot are mostly smarks, they will be content with two of their darlings putting on a 30-minute match, and that is a logical thought too. I expect the negatives first, and I fear it might hurt Ziggler and send him to pre-Survivor Series status, but it will be interesting to see how that plays out.
 
Seth Rollins should be a face, he is very entertaining and a great wrestler. Would love to see a face Rollins fued with a heel Reigns after Reigns wins the title at WM. Rollins is the new CM Punk basically

Please don't say you've been dreaming for seeing Dolph as heel and Seth Rollins as a face. Over the last few months Seth has proven everyone that he's one of the greatest heel in the WWE history. He almost had screwed up with everyone in the Roster in one way or other to get to this spot. And Dolph is hot as a face. I don't want him to run another heel life and becomes meaningless!!

No offense but your opinion is so stupid!!
 
I agree with you. As for the report, I don't think it's true. Why should Ziggler interfere in Bryan vs Reigns, when he has nothing to do with either guy? (I didn't get the "standing him up" part of your post, maybe I missed something). He was in the Survivor Series elimination tag team match, so it would make sense if he were to screw Cena, Ryback or Rowan... although that would waste the rub he got from the whole Authority angle.
And yes, Reigns too needs the clean win over Bryan in a great match to earn back the fans' respect. So I don't see this whole scenario playing out.

As The Controversy said, the Ziggler-Bryan stuff is born from the rumours about a possible match between the 2.


I think there is a good chance that Rollins gets thrown into this match, unless Orton returns before FL to swerve his attention as well as the Authority's.


With regards to Ziggler;
Him shockingly interefering in the FL Main Event, would be an interesting and give some focus to a guy who is currently in limbo in the long-standing and stale, Survivor Series fallout story.
Also, given the fans like Ziggler as they do Bryan, it would be some interesting programming to say the least, and for a neutral like myself, I'm intrigued to see which way the WWE Universe is inclined towards if Ziggler does run interference.
 
If they turn Ziggler the reasoning behind such a move would be easy to explain. Ziggler has been a whipping boy on behalf of the Authority. He has had difficulty catching a break. The best resolution to his issues, if you can't beat them then join them. The promise of greener pastures and an elevated position can make a man do crazy things.
 
If they turn Ziggler the reasoning behind such a move would be easy to explain. Ziggler has been a whipping boy on behalf of the Authority. He has had difficulty catching a break. The best resolution to his issues, if you can't beat them then join them. The promise of greener pastures and an elevated position can make a man do crazy things.

Also, take into consideration what Stephanie said to him on RAW. That he was always 'hiding' behind others and she basically made him look like chump. Ntm, he lost to Bray Wyatt after that in a pretty good match.
So, him going heel does have some groundwork. Let's face it, at this point, he is in limbo and without a proper programme very much like the Big Guy, Ryback(Him vs Rusev being dropped just like that :shrug: ).
 
I agree with you. As for the report, I don't think it's true. Why should Ziggler interfere in Bryan vs Reigns, when he has nothing to do with either guy? (I didn't get the "standing him up" part of your post, maybe I missed something). He was in the Survivor Series elimination tag team match, so it would make sense if he were to screw Cena, Ryback or Rowan... although that would waste the rub he got from the whole Authority angle.
And yes, Reigns too needs the clean win over Bryan in a great match to earn back the fans' respect. So I don't see this whole scenario playing out.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Yeah. Kaybabe isn't dead & fans won't see through that will they? Just like when Rock hugged Cena at Mania 29. I mean all of Cena's haters completely fell in love with him when Rock said he was cool didn't they?

:rolleyes:

However great the match, having Reigns go over Bryan clean is nothing more than Vince giving an middle finger to fans who wanted Bryan to win.
 
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Yeah. Kaybabe isn't dead & fans won't see through that will they? Just like when Rock hugged Cena at Mania 29. I mean all of Cena's haters completely fell in love with him when Rock said he was cool didn't they?

:rolleyes:
I'm not talking about haters. Haters are gonna hate anyway. I'm talking about the fans that dislike Reigns running through opponents, using limited moves, getting a monster push etc; the fans that don't hate Reigns but simply want to see more from him.
The kid that was crying on RAW a few weeks ago and others his age would disagree that kayfabe is dead.

However great the match, having Reigns go over Bryan clean is nothing more than Vince giving an middle finger to fans who wanted Bryan to win.

If that's your mentality, then you are one of the "haters" and crybabies that are never happy with anything. Reigns' popularity has been increasing at an alarming rate since his return, and has almost caught up with Daniel Bryan in the number of fans on facebook, gaining about double the numbers Bryan gets each day (thanks again, Larisano). The number of people wanting Reigns to win would be about the same as the number of people wanting Bryan to win. As long as both put up a good fight, most of the fans will be happy. If you want to take that as a middle finger, sorry about your damn luck.
 
I don't know if I am allowed to use a "F-bomb" in the title so if not my bad. Here is the thing though on Sports King they are reporting there is plans to turn Ziggler heel at Fast Lane costing him the match against Reigns for "standing him up." But I hope this isn't true because it puts even more heat on Reigns. The past few weeks WWE has been treating Reigns as the #1 guy, Bryan as the #2 guy, Ambrose as the #3 guy,and Cena as the #4 guy, Ziggler as the #5 guy when it comes to the faces. They have been a decent job getting fans on Reigns side. Whether you like or not he is the most popular and most talked about guy in WWE right now (not talking cheers or boo's.) There is no superstar more talked about in WWE than Reigns right now. Hell, I forgot Cena was still around. But that will be all for nothing if they have him win at Fast Lane with Ziggler's help. If WWE was smart they would have the two work a 25 -30 minute hard fought match with some great spots that have the fans chanting "this is awesome."After Reigns wins after a hard fought battle, Bryan claps on the ramp and shakes his hand and raises it up and leads a "Yes!" chant. That is the way to get him back on his side. The thing is the fans will be excited about what they just witness in the match they wouldn't want to boo him. If Ziggler helps he will be booed out the building and getting more "bullshit" chants. Meanwhile, Ziggler who have just turned heel won't get heel heat...he will have toxic heat. With Bryan endorsing Reigns at the end it works better than Rock because if Bryan respects him the fans will. That's just my opinion how do you think it will go down.

I think regardless how Reigns wins, fans will boo Reigns. WWE is in a loss/loss situation in pleasing the fans. Yes, the easiest option is to let Bryan win. However, we clearly see that's not their plan.

I don't think anybody cosigning Reigns could help him get more popular with the fans. Reigns just going to have to continue to work hard and stay humble and over time people may like him.
 
Please don't say you've been dreaming for seeing Dolph as heel and Seth Rollins as a face. Over the last few months Seth has proven everyone that he's one of the greatest heel in the WWE history. He almost had screwed up with everyone in the Roster in one way or other to get to this spot. And Dolph is hot as a face. I don't want him to run another heel life and becomes meaningless!!

No offense but your opinion is so stupid!!

First of all you say my opinion is so stupid - and in the same breath you are annoiting Rollins one of the best heels in history!!! Too funny!! Seth Rollins might be a heel today but EVERYONE flip flops. Seth will be a face. He is likeable....there are loud LETS GO ROLLINS chants at house shows because people respect his movesets...all it takes is one little angle with the Authority to get him over. It will happen sooner or later. And the pops will be LOUD for Seth when it happens.
 

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