WWE Bragging Rights LD

[Mighty NorCal]

As I have said 384,279 times: if the most amount of moves known determined the best wrestlers in the world, Dean Malenko vs. William Regal would have headlined about 7 Wrestlemanias in a row.

and as I have said just as many times THEY ALL KNOW ALL THE MOVES. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH "KNOWING" MOVES. ITS WHO IS THE BEST WORKER. NUMBER OF MOVES PREFORMED HAS NOTHING TO FUCKING DO WITH IT.


The two most prolific wrestlers EVER has movesets that consisted of about 10 moves. I suppose it was just becuase neither of them didnt know how to do any more than that.

No wonder the WWE books as if the vast majority of fans are fucking ******s. Becuase they are.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

He literally was just "buried alive". Nobody comes back an hour later from it. He will take a month off, and come back at the Survivor Series or at TLC.

Yeah, but thats kinda why I expected it. Because every single time a Buried Alive match happens - Taker gets buried alive. (except the Tag one, I can't recall that one)

I never called Nexus interfering. I was actually hoping Taker (or Kane) would do that hand trick to call for the dirt, then the one IN the grave would reach up and grab the other - ending with both of them being buried alive. It would've been brilliant.

Think about it. Both get buried, the Championship gets held up and a Tournament going into Survivor Series (for SD) happens. All of Team SD would then get the right to be in 'said tourney'. Edge/Swagger, Mysterio/Del Rio, Big Show/Mystery guy, Kingston/Reks.. leading up to a new Champion, without hurting Kane's new monster momentum.

Instead, Kane gets the cheap win by the same ol' usual tricks. (a ton of guys attack Taker, and no one understands why - possibly, like in some cases, without any explanation ever being given.)

DB/Mr. Ziggles definitely had the best match.

The ending was what everyone likely assumed though. I know I did. Still, doesn't mean it wasn't a damn fine match. All Bryan matches are though.

Show DID eliminate someone. He eliminated Sheamus via Countout. That also might have started a Show/Sheamus thing going into the Survivor Series (or even as far away as WrestleMania, if Sheamus doesn't get fed to Taker). They are opposite team captains (face/heel teams) at Survivor Series. Sheamus interferes in a Show PPV title match at TLC, preventing him from winning. Show jumps Sheamus at the Rumble, they fight at Mania.

Sheamus v. Big Show sounds like a decent feud - but not for Mania. Albeit, Show normally gets fucked for Mania's and stuck in special attraction BS.

I'm assuming Edge will be next in line to face Kane at Survivor Series, since he won for his team. (with Mysterio likely going for revenge, instead of a title shot)

It'd be funny if Miz then cashed in on Edge (actually, it'd make me cry) to go full circle and get revenge.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

No way Reks could be like Punk, kicking someone is like, way fucking complicated dude

 

[klunderbunker]

and as I have said just as many times THEY ALL KNOW ALL THE MOVES. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH "KNOWING" MOVES. ITS WHO IS THE BEST WORKER. NUMBER OF MOVES PREFORMED HAS NOTHING TO FUCKING DO WITH IT.


The two most prolific wrestlers EVER has movesets that consisted of about 10 moves. I suppose it was just becuase neither of them didnt know how to do any more than that.

No wonder the WWE books as if the vast majority of fans are fucking ******s. Becuase they are.

You and I need to do that Wrestlezone University thing I came up with once.

 

[Stormtrooper]

Well the way you just put it makes it looks like it's all Zeke's fault.
He didnt want to look weak so he went against what he was told and tries to kick out, while Rey and the ref weree unaware of it? So, Zeke fucked up badly then, regaurdless of Reys top rope mishap?

No. What I was saying is that Rey (the old veteran) should have known better then to allow such a weak finish to happen. He knew it looked worse then shit, but went for the pin anyway. He should have told him to kick out, or at least kick out after the 3 count to save some face. I know we need to suspend believe and buy a 175 pound man beating a 350 pound giant, but to suspend belief that a 175 pound man beats a giant by just laying on top of him is too much.

Rey is at fault for screwing up the damn move. Zeke gets some blame for trying to save face. The ref is blamed for keeping Miz off of Rey. But Rey is the main offender, since he is the one that got the ball rolling.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

You and I need to do that Wrestlezone University thing I came up with once.

aye

 

[TheOneBigWill]

I'm sorry, but knowledge of wrestling holds is NOT what makes a true Wrestler. Maybe in college and the real style, sure. But in the WWE/TNA/ROH.. uhm, no.

Think about it.. when Austin showed his moveset off, he was a no nothing mid-carder. When he punched and kicked people - he became the most notorious Wrestler in the business.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

I'm sorry, but knowledge of wrestling holds is NOT what makes a true Wrestler. Maybe in college and the real style, sure. But in the WWE/TNA/ROH.. uhm, no.

Think about it.. when Austin showed his moveset off, he was a no nothing mid-carder. When he punched and kicked people - he became the most notorious Wrestler in the business.

OH NO WILL HE DID THAT BECUASE HE JUST DIDNT KNOW ANY OTHER THINGS TO DO, HE JUST SIMPLY WASNT SKILLED ENOUGH TO PULL OFF ANYTHING OTHER THAN KICKS AND PUNCHES

 

[goodlay]

I don't care enough to respond.

Not to mention when the admins come in and tell you you're off by a mile, it's probably a good idea to shut the hell up.

I concede.

 

[klunderbunker]

There's a tape I found called Wrestling's Country Boys which is about Hillbilly Jim and his family. In one segment, Hogan displays, wait for it.........wait for it.........CHAIN WRESTLING. Yes, he can, in fact, use basic wrestling tactics. However, it seems that when he throws punches, kicks out with authority, kicks people in the face (see it really is easy because Hogan can do it and he knows like 5 moves right?) and drops the leg, tens of thousands of people would put down lots of money to see him. What a shock!

 

[Stormtrooper]

Yeah, but thats kinda why I expected it. Because every single time a Buried Alive match happens - Taker gets buried alive. (except the Tag one, I can't recall that one)

Well, it's not like there's much choice. Either Taker or Kane. And Taker is probably taking some time off again. And Kane is on the biggest run of his career, they shouldn't stop it now.

I never called Nexus interfering. I was actually hoping Taker (or Kane) would do that hand trick to call for the dirt, then the one IN the grave would reach up and grab the other - ending with both of them being buried alive. It would've been brilliant.

Think about it. Both get buried, the Championship gets held up and a Tournament going into Survivor Series (for SD) happens. All of Team SD would then get the right to be in 'said tourney'. Edge/Swagger, Mysterio/Del Rio, Big Show/Mystery guy, Kingston/Reks.. leading up to a new Champion, without hurting Kane's new monster momentum.

Kane loses the belt, and gets buried alive. I'd say it kills his momentum.

And if you were doing that, then I would rather see Kane put Taker in the grave, and before Kane finished pouring dirt on Taker, Paul Bearer knocks out Kane with the Urn, then uses the bulldozer of Dirt.

Instead, Kane gets the cheap win by the same ol' usual tricks. (a ton of guys attack Taker, and no one understands why - possibly, like in some cases, without any explanation ever being given.)

Nexus wants to make an impact still. Taker is the biggest name. Plus since they are tag champs, they are eligible on both shows. Maybe this will lead to a Taker/Nexus feud when it's all said and done.

The ending was what everyone likely assumed though. I know I did. Still, doesn't mean it wasn't a damn fine match. All Bryan matches are though.

What, you wanted Mr. Ziggles to win? WWE has a 50/50 shot here, either Dolph wins or DB wins. Most people expected DB, because they wanted DB to win. DB won. They should be HAPPY, instead of let down.

Sheamus v. Big Show sounds like a decent feud - but not for Mania. Albeit, Show normally gets fucked for Mania's and stuck in special attraction BS.

Definitely better then normal Big Show Mania stuff. And the way I put it makes sense. Much like the build for Goldberg/Brock (with a better Mania Match).

I'm assuming Edge will be next in line to face Kane at Survivor Series, since he won for his team. (with Mysterio likely going for revenge, instead of a title shot)

It'd be funny if Miz then cashed in on Edge (actually, it'd make me cry) to go full circle and get revenge.

Could be Edge. And Miz can't cash in. His contract is for RAW, not SmackDown.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

There's a tape I found called Wrestling's Country Boys which is about Hillbilly Jim and his family. In one segment, Hogan displays, wait for it.........wait for it.........CHAIN WRESTLING. Yes, he can, in fact, use basic wrestling tactics. However, it seems that when he throws punches, kicks out with authority, kicks people in the face (see it really is easy because Hogan can do it and he knows like 5 moves right?) and drops the leg, tens of thousands of people would put down lots of money to see him. What a shock!

Millions. Literally millions. Lulz.

but yea, back in the Japan days and even early AWA, he used to bust out all sorts of shit, enzuguri, german suplex, chain reversals.


anyone who thinks that guys get to this level and just simply only "know" how to execute so many moves or only have the "skill" to do five moves are fucking idiots

 

[Fuel The Fire]

. And Miz can't cash in. His contract is for RAW, not SmackDown.

He can cash on any brand he wants.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

Well, it's not like there's much choice. Either Taker or Kane. And Taker is probably taking some time off again. And Kane is on the biggest run of his career, they shouldn't stop it now.

I agree they shouldn't stop him now, but what's left for Kane now that Taker is likely out of the picture? Dropping the strap to Edge? Maybe someone else?

Dropping to Taker is at least respectable. It's monster v. monster. As much as I love Edge, and as much as they seem to be trying for an Edge face run again - dropping to him, likely doesn't seem to great if they want Kane to have any respectability left.

Kane loses the belt, and gets buried alive. I'd say it kills his momentum.

Not if he "didn't lose it". If both were buried, no one won - but they both "go away". He could return, without being Champion, and still be dominate.

And if you were doing that, then I would rather see Kane put Taker in the grave, and before Kane finished pouring dirt on Taker, Paul Bearer knocks out Kane with the Urn, then uses the bulldozer of Dirt.

I can agree with this, too.

Nexus wants to make an impact still. Taker is the biggest name. Plus since they are tag champs, they are eligible on both shows. Maybe this will lead to a Taker/Nexus feud when it's all said and done.

I think a Wade Barrett v. Undertaker match for Wrestlemania may be on the horizon. It sounds decent enough, but it's not the type of thing you'd want if this is indeed Taker's last Mania match.

What, you wanted Mr. Ziggles to win? WWE has a 50/50 shot here, either Dolph wins or DB wins. Most people expected DB, because they wanted DB to win. DB won. They should be HAPPY, instead of let down.

Hell no. I wanted Bryan to win. I enjoy watching Bryan; Ziggler too for that matter. But yeah, I got who I wanted to win.

Could be Edge. And Miz can't cash in. His contract is for RAW, not SmackDown.

I forgot his contract is a Raw only contract. Completely skipped my mind.

 

[Stormtrooper]

He can cash on any brand he wants.

ummm, no, he can't. They stated when the MitB match happened that it is brand exclusive, and said it numerous times since. You're wrong on this one. the Mania one was not brand exclusive, but since the PPV had 2 (1 per brand), it was made brand exclusive.

 

[goodlay]

Millions. Literally millions. Lulz.

but yea, back in the Japan days and even early AWA, he used to bust out all sorts of shit, enzuguri, german suplex, chain reversals.


anyone who thinks that guys get to this level and just simply only "know" how to execute so many moves or only have the "skill" to do five moves are fucking idiots

Where did I say drawing ability wasn't important? Now you're just throwing words in my mouth.

My argument was based around having the skill to work and wrestle a match.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

He can cash on any brand he wants.

Nope. He won his MITB match at the self-titled ppv. Raw and Smackdown each had MITB matches, Miz won the Raw one. He's only allowed to cash in on the Raw Champion.

 

[Stormtrooper]

I agree they shouldn't stop him now, but what's left for Kane now that Taker is likely out of the picture? Dropping the strap to Edge? Maybe someone else?

Dropping to Taker is at least respectable. It's monster v. monster. As much as I love Edge, and as much as they seem to be trying for an Edge face run again - dropping to him, likely doesn't seem to great if they want Kane to have any respectability left.

How about he just keeps the belt for 3 more months (the run seems to be working pretty well), and have him lose it at the Rumble. By then Edge could be a big-time face, and give him a face title run into Mania. Or even have Kane lose the belt in the Elimination Chamber. Maybe have multiple people pin him or something. He loses the belt, but saves face because it took multiple people to beat him.

Not if he "didn't lose it". If both were buried, no one won - but they both "go away". He could return, without being Champion, and still be dominate.

His momentum is shot, because he lost the title (him not being champion=losing the title). Then it's eradicated completely, because he "goes away." No TV time, no overness.

I forgot his contract is a Raw only contract. Completely skipped my mind.

Don't worry, you're not the only one.

 

[Stormtrooper]

Where did I say drawing ability wasn't important? Now you're just throwing words in my mouth.

My argument was based around having the skill to work and wrestle a match.

and he has the skill to work and wrestle a great match. Better or on par with the guys you listed. Again wrestling isn't just about chaining moves/reversals. And huge super-main event Mega-Stars don't need to do that, especially if they are brawlers (like Cena is). Cena did more wrestling moves before he got was a super-main event Mega-Star. Now he doesn't, because he doesn't need to, the crowd eats up what he does. That's smart WRESTLING.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

If Edge wins the title, only to drop it at Mania - continuing to kill his Mania record for Main Events.. I'll punch something. I'm sick of Edge not getting that elusive Mania Main Event victory. It's like the one thing he needs to truly complete his career.

 

[Stormtrooper]

If Edge wins the title, only to drop it at Mania - continuing to kill his Mania record for Main Events.. I'll punch something. I'm sick of Edge not getting that elusive Mania Main Event victory. It's like the one thing he needs to truly complete his career.

why can't Edge successfully defend the title at Mania? I just said he gets the belt going into Mania. I didn't say he wouldn't leave the show with it. Let him beat Jack Swagger (who by then is a credible threat to the title, thanks to the amazing Swagger Soaring Eagle)

 

[TheOneBigWill]

I almost bought tickets to go to Bragging Rights, since it was close. Had I of been there, I would've tried my best to start a "We Want Kerwin" chant.

Last time I was at a ppv, it was No Mercy 2001. I started an "Isaac Yankem" chant, also got a drunk to pick a fight with me because (and I quote) "he couldn't hear the fucking commentary". (from the lower bowl section, no less.)

 

[The Doctor]

Mark Henry should win the title from Edge.

Mark Henry = Ratings. Just look at his time on ECW.

 

[goodlay]

and he has the skill to work and wrestle a great match. Better or on par with the guys you listed. Again wrestling isn't just about chaining moves/reversals. And huge super-main event Mega-Stars don't need to do that, especially if they are brawlers (like Cena is). Cena did more wrestling moves before he got was a super-main event Mega-Star. Now he doesn't, because he doesn't need to, the crowd eats up what he does. That's smart WRESTLING.

True that. Cena is definitely damn good, I just don't think he's the best. Simple as that. Don't see why this had to drag on for so many pages.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

Mark Henry should win the title from Edge.

Mark Henry = Ratings. Just look at his time on ECW.

Mark Henry, when he came to Raw and looked strong against Orton, did win my heart in wanting to give him a title shot.

Still, Goldust > Henry in line for Heavyweight Mania title shots.