Wrestling Opinions You Don't Have the Guts to Post

[M]

Wrestling fans are often edgemasters trying to prove how edgy their edges are.

It's not until he was gone that I realised Edge was actually damned awesome at what he did.

Orton is the luckiest man in wrestling.

Barring about 5 women, the WWE and NXT women's roster are terribly unattractive and I have no idea how anyone could be attracted to them, the Bella twins being the worst of the bunch.

If a few things had gone differently, Jeff hardy could have been bigger than cena.

 

[It's Damn Real!]

I was barely watching WWE when Lashley was really doing his thing there. It was mostly through an era I'd quit watching their programming (one of many). But considering how great his run as TNA champion was, I have a hard time believing he couldn't have found similar success as a less talk, more punch champion with WWE.

I mean, I don't believe Lesnar could ever talk his way out of a parking ticket (probably still couldn't), and I see him praised left and right around here for being the best champion in years. Lashley is like the black Lesnar.

 

[Big Nick Dudley]

That reminds me, Orton is like a million times better in the ring as a face. I understand that his heel character is supposed to be methodical or whatever but it isn't nearly as interesting as watching him feed off of a crowd.

I think he's a better talker when he's a heel, but you're right about him feeding off the crowd. I think if he had wrestled 20 - 30 years ago, his heel work would mentioned among the all time greats. Today? Too slow for the 21st century fan.

 

[#MrScissorsKick]

I hated wrestlemania 30.

I don't like NJPW or AJPW

SummerSlam is my favorite PPV

I hate fantasy bookings/bookers..you guys suck

Hulk Hogan is a bitch. There's no way around it.

I'd take Sasha Banks over Paige in everyday of the week.

I don't miss CM Punk.

Christian was a high midcard act at best.

Del Rio could be, and always was money in the ring

Wade Barrett makes me turn the channel.

Scott Hall will never be sober for 60 days.

Naomi is hot.

John Cena is not being shoved down anyone's throats.

Kevin Owens looks like my local bartender.

I forgot the Intercontinental Championship was still in use in the WWE. Mainly because it's never defended.

I hate tough enough, but Miz actually was good this week

Fuck your opinions, Edge and HHH are awesome as faces

I want ZZ and Sara to win tough enough

J.R. is the best color commentators of all time, except for Gordon Solie.

Finn Balor is cool, but I waste 10-15 minutes of watching wrestlers make their entrance once a year, and it's reserved for the undertaker.

 

[Bernkastel]

I think he's a better talker when he's a heel, but you're right about him feeding off the crowd. I think if he had wrestled 20 - 30 years ago, his heel work would mentioned among the all time greats. Today? Too slow for the 21st century fan.

Which is a shame, as many modern fans have no patience for great pacing anymore.

 

[Cereal Killer]

Its fine if you don't like Daniel Bryan... but yo're tired of the "underdog stuff"? Aren't you a fan of John Cena judging by your avatar? So you're tired of Daniel Bryan's "underdog stuff" but you aren't tired of Cena's "underdog" stuff? To me Cena's underdog shit has grown redundant.. you can't possibly paint this guy as an underdog when he's a 15 time world champion who has overcome the odds time and time again.. meanwhile Daniel Bryan is made to look like an everyday person; when the odds are stacked against him he usually loses, with the exception of WM 30. So the underdog persona is a lot more believable with DB than it is for Cena. Just asking, not trying to stir trouble or anything.

Well with Cena, he's not usually the underdog actually. I guess you can say that was when he was alone against the Nexus and in his match against Brock Lesnar, I can't really think of any other major/recent example. Anyway, with Bryan it just became a thing of "I'm a small guy, I don't have the corporate look, I've had it tough for a long time and here I am now." I just got bored of it. I didn't hate it, just didn't really care much. Cena is an excellent performer however and has always kept me interested in his storylines. He's just better at it I guess.

 

[Crocker]

Well with Cena, he's not usually the underdog actually. I guess you can say that was when he was alone against the Nexus and in his match against Brock Lesnar, I can't really think of any other major/recent example. Anyway, with Bryan it just became a thing of "I'm a small guy, I don't have the corporate look, I've had it tough for a long time and here I am now." I just got bored of it. I didn't hate it, just didn't really care much. Cena is an excellent performer however and has always kept me interested in his storylines. He's just better at it I guess.

Cena keeps you entertained but Bryan doesn't? Seriously? You can say the same about Cena's routine.. overcoming all the odds with VERY small exceptions like Lesnar and Punk.. corny catchphrases like hustle loyalty and respect. Predictable promos where he hypes up his match, sucks up to the crowd, tells the crowd its okay to not like him because this is what gives the WWE universe life, etc.. at least Bryan's routine is actually fresh. How often do we see legitimate underdogs?

 

[Shadowmancer]

Japanese wrestlers are nothing but a bunch of overrated guys who use FIGHTING SPIRIT as an excuse to never sell a thing.

You mean like Hulking up? Or Overcoming the Odds?

 

[klunderbunker]

You mean like Hulking up? Or Overcoming the Odds?

Not exactly. I can buy it as a one off moment and when it's part of someone character. When it seems that half the roster does it in almost every match (yes those are exaggerations), it loses its appeal, like anything would.

 

[MrHashasheen]

I was barely watching WWE when Lashley was really doing his thing there. It was mostly through an era I'd quit watching their programming (one of many). But considering how great his run as TNA champion was, I have a hard time believing he couldn't have found similar success as a less talk, more punch champion with WWE.

I mean, I don't believe Lesnar could ever talk his way out of a parking ticket (probably still couldn't), and I see him praised left and right around here for being the best champion in years. Lashley is like the black Lesnar.

He was near the top at a time at a bad time. Batista and Cena were still quite hot, there were way too many major veterans, and Vince seemed to want another Cena type rather than let Lashley be a Lesnar type.

 

[MrHashasheen]

Not exactly. I can buy it as a one off moment and when it's part of someone character. When it seems that half the roster does it in almost every match (yes those are exaggerations), it loses its appeal, like anything would.

KB, I don't want to rag on you because I know others have, but Hulk's hulking up got to the point where Randy Savage had to elbow drop him then pin him as his tag team partner in the middle of a match to bring him back from unconsciousness. And you know, Undertaker does the sit up every match he wrestles worth a damn.

 

[klunderbunker]

KB, I don't want to rag on you because I know others have, but Hulk's hulking up got to the point where Randy Savage had to elbow drop him then pin him as his tag team partner in the middle of a match to bring him back from unconsciousness. And you know, Undertaker does the sit up every match he wrestles worth a damn.

First things first: the Undertaker sit up isn't no selling. It's a comeback. Those are two very, very different things. The sit up comes after he's been on the mat after a big spot. That's not a case of no selling something.

And second, if you EVER question the awesomeness of the Revival Elbow, you and I are going to have problems. That's one of those brilliant ideas that only works in wrestling and yes it was stupid, but it was stupid in the awesome way that stupid things can be.

Finally, feel free to rag on me all you want if you think I'm wrong. I have been before.......allegedly.

 

[Bernkastel]

Not exactly. I can buy it as a one off moment and when it's part of someone character. When it seems that half the roster does it in almost every match (yes those are exaggerations), it loses its appeal, like anything would.

It's a cultural thing. You have to have the appreciation for the history and culture of wrestling over there in order to want to sit down and watch it, or be a weeaboo and watch it anyway because you're too much of a smark to find any joy in the WWE. It's best just to say "I don't understand it, so I won't bother with it." And why would you? You're not Japanese.

 

[klunderbunker]

It's a cultural thing. You have to have the appreciation for the history and culture of wrestling over there in order to want to sit down and watch it, or be a weeaboo and watch it anyway because you're too much of a smark to find any joy in the WWE. It's best just to say "I don't understand it, so I won't bother with it." And why would you? You're not Japanese.

I like the New Japan and puro I've seen, but the no selling gets old in a hurry. It's a big reason why I don't like ROH. Like, getting him in the face and being a bit staggered would be more than enough for me. Not screaming in the face and firing off like 14 forearms to the jaw in a row five times a match.

 

[Bernkastel]

I like the New Japan and puro I've seen, but the no selling gets old in a hurry. It's a big reason why I don't like ROH. Like, getting him in the face and being a bit staggered would be more than enough for me. Not screaming in the face and firing off like 14 forearms to the jaw in a row five times a match.

That's understandable, as I'm in the exact same boat. There's a reason why I don't watch allot of modern puroresu and just stick with the older classics. But I can't grade modern puro matches the same way I would a modern WWE match. Because psychology, selling, story telling and all that insider stuff is different in Japan than the US because the wrestling culture has evolved to be so different. So what looks like horrible selling in a puroresu match from the perspective of a WWE match may actually be objectively great selling. And vice versa. So from your perspective that the selling looks horrible because of the "fighting spirit" that everyone and their mother seems to use over there is not a viable complaint of the selling being objectively bad. 14 forearms to the jaw is actually good psychology in that culture. In the States it would be considered crap. I don't watch enough puro to give a more valid example but I'm sure you catch my drift.

Also ROH is mostly garbage. Or at least has been for the last few years. No offense to Dragon Saga, who I know likes it, but it really is.

 

[NSL]

Didn't the "Hulk Up" only arise after his time in Japan?

 

[Stone Cold Tea]

SummerSlam 2003 nd Survivor Series 2003- 2 of the greatest PPVs ever

 

[Cereal Killer]

Cena keeps you entertained but Bryan doesn't? Seriously? You can say the same about Cena's routine.. overcoming all the odds with VERY small exceptions like Lesnar and Punk.. corny catchphrases like hustle loyalty and respect. Predictable promos where he hypes up his match, sucks up to the crowd, tells the crowd its okay to not like him because this is what gives the WWE universe life, etc.. at least Bryan's routine is actually fresh. How often do we see legitimate underdogs?

Why is it such a shock I prefer Cena? He's the better professional wrestler, he cuts far better promos and well he's just more entertaining. I think the majority of WWE fans would agree.

 

[Dirk]

John Cena is at least a 27/30 on Bret's Look Mic Ring scoring system.

That's just according to me, though. I doubt Bret would give John more than 12/30.

 

[Барбоса]

According to Bret Hart, there have only been two great wrestlers ever.

They were both him.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

Pretty much all wrestlers are nothing but a bunch of overrated guys who use ...well nothing in particular... as an excuse to never sell a thing.

Fixed it for you.


While the depth and athleticism are at all time highs, the actual workrates are at all time lows. Also, Hulking up isn't even remotely close to the same thing KB is talking about.

I wouldn't refer to Japanese wrestlers as overrated workers, its just a different style. Whether one finds it appealing or not, is up to their tastes.


Oh, and im with Slyfox. This thread is useless to me.

 

[Uncle Sam]

Bret Hart is complimentary about Mick Foley, Rey Mysterio, The Undertaker, The Rock, Steve Austin, The Dynamite Kid, Andre the Giant, his brother Owen, Kurt Angle, Mr. Perfect, Randy Savage, Sting and even Shawn Michaels in his book. Not nearly as long a list as those he thinks are subpar, of course.

 

[It's Damn Real!]

Who are the five greatest wrestlers of all-time? Bret Hart, Bret Hart, Bret Hart, Bret Hart and Bret Hart. Because he spits hot fire.

 

[It's Damn Real!]

Bret Hart is complimentary about Mick Foley, Rey Mysterio, The Undertaker, The Rock, Steve Austin, The Dynamite Kid, Andre the Giant, his brother Owen, Kurt Angle, Mr. Perfect, Randy Savage, Sting and even Shawn Michaels in his book. Not nearly as long a list as those he thinks are subpar, of course.

Not a bad list. Only Mysterio stands out to me as lacking the same sort of intangibles as the others. We spoke before about working "snug" and the difference between it and strong style. What I see from this list is a group of men who executed excellently in the ring in making it look as though they were hurting their opponents without actually hurting them in actuality. All pun intended.

 

[The Fabulous Rougeau's]

Diesel wasn't nearly as bad of a WWE champ as he is made out to be. Been rewatching 1995 WWE and Diesel has gotten good to great pops from the crowd the whole time (I'm up to September). So while business wasn't great I don't think that was Diesel's fault as 95 wasn't the only bad year WWE had before the Attitude Era.