Would Vince kill the man called Sting?

[DMan23]

So we all know Sting is the greatest wrestler in history to have not worked for Vince McMahon. What would happen if he ever did? We've seen how Vince has taken guys like Rob Van Dam and others from the old ECW and WCW and basically killed their character by limiting them so much people lose interest. Vince used the Invasion angle to show that WWE was, is, and always will be superior by holding guys back or changing their style/character making them sound scripted and dull.

So would Vince and the WWE kill the man called Sting?

 

[Milkyway!]

So we all know Sting is the greatest wrestler in history to have not worked for Vince McMahon.

Not hardly. The great Muta, and Misawa are miles ahead of Sting. Sting is the most popular american wrestler to never have worked for Vince Mcmhaon.

What would happen if he ever did?

Who knows, Vince could have utilized his talent to the fullest. Or he could have just burried him, like the rest of the WcW boys.

We've seen how Vince has taken guys like Rob Van Dam and others from the old ECW and WCW and basically killed their character by limiting them so much people lose interest.

RvD accomplished more with Vince than he ever did outside of him. RVD burried his own character, when it was found out he smoked weed. I'm positive Rey Mysterio, Eddie Gurrerro, Ric Flair, and Chris Beniot weren't burried either. The ones that were burried, obviously couldn't cut it in the WWE world.

Vince used the Invasion angle to show that WWE was, is, and always will be superior by holding guys back or changing their style/character making them sound scripted and dull.

WcW was great because they had Ric Flair, Hogan, and Sting. Three of the most popular wrestlers in the world. While the WWE had Bret Hart, a man who couldn't draw for shit, and Shawn Michaels, no man can draw alone. Other than Austin, and Hogan.

So would Vince and the WWE kill the man called Sting?

I highly doupt it, Sting was great. I'm not sure how he would fair during the Attitude era myself, though.

 

[Motor City Mayhem]

Well first of all, I am a huge Sting fan, but it will never happen.

But to go along here, I think Vince would not bury him. Why would he?
He sooo freaking popular, and it would make huge ratings putting him in feuds with The Undertaker, Triple H, John Cena, Kane, Chris Jericho. The ratings would sky rocket.
Yes I know Vince would be kinda mad he didn't join right away but the second VKM heard the Pop that Sting would get, Vince would forget that and make him huge.

 

[Spaceman Spif]

No Vince wouldn't kill him, as much as Vince wanted Sting, and Sting never took a bite, that pisses Vince off to no end, because Vince hates not getting what he wants which is rare. However Vince does respect Sting, Sting didn't as many did, need the WWE to become one of the biggest stars in the history of the business. When WCW died and was bought out and Sting wandered around a bit, then feel upon TNA, his legacy was such that he was still insanely over, even by the new age fans, who really didn't know what Sting had done all those years ago. So if Vince were to have got his hands on Sting, he wouldn't have killed him, no way, no how. He would have pushed him to the moon and got as much out of him as he could of. However with Sting talking retirement real soon, we will sadly never know what Vince would have done, we can only speculate.

 

[tomcat2k2]

I don't care for the argument that Vince would bury Sting bc he wants to show his company is best (the invasion had almost NO big names from WCW, and when they did come over they were indeed pushed in the main event spots). Whether Sting came over a few years ago or a year from now I think Vince would give him a fair shot, but if the fans weren't buying it that would be the end of the Sting in WWE experiment. People in this forum act like Sting is right under Hulk Hogan in popularity, but I am willing to bet that a lot of younger WWE fans, the ones Vince is coverting right now, barely remember if know anything about Sting.

 

[Super Crazy]

I'm not sure really what would have happened. I personally think Vince would have made Sting an even bigger star then he already is. I just think that since Vince couldn't have him for so long he would have made him work his way up the ranks. Unlike TNA which instantly put him in the title scene, Vince would have probably made him work his way into it. While Sting would still be a main eventer, he wouldn't get the title for maybe a few years, having to have strong non title feuds with other wrestlers. On the other hand though, Vince might have totally buried Sting for the same fact of never being able to have him. Sting did what rarely a wrestler has ever done, become one of the hugest stars in the industry without the WWE. He truly is the icon and rightfully deserves that nickname. To be honest, and I would like to see this, I think Vince should/would induct Sting into the WWE hall of fame since he bought out WCW which Sting was a major part of. Now I know it will probably never happen, but it sure as hell would be nice and to me it would be Vince showing the ultimate sign of respect for the man he could never hire.

 

[TellMeWhy]

To answer the question, if Sting came to WWE prior to WCW's buyout, I believe he may have had a chance to be a big star but yet again WWE was the same company that built up Lex Luger with the Lex Express and the Made In The USA gimmick and never pulled the trigger on him by giving him the title. Next thing you know, Luger was stuck as a lower and midcarder.

I do believe that if Sting came after the Invasion, he'd be used improperly. I think WWE would give him the Ric Flair treatment where they talk up Sting as being a big deal and a legend but at the same time jobbing him out to mid and lowercarders after being a top jobber for guys like HHH like most of Flair's final run. WWE would've tarnished his legacy! Going to TNA was the best choice Sting made for a final run and I honestly respect him for trying to help develop a number 2 promotion so wrestlers in the industry can have another place to work and so the fans can have another wrestling promotion to watch. Thank You Sting for opening doors and truly giving back to the business!

Not hardly. The great Muta, and Misawa are miles ahead of Sting. Sting is the most popular american wrestler to never have worked for Vince Mcmhaon.

Just because they're from Japan doesn't automatically mean they're better. They're probably in the same realm but imo Sting surpasses both of them talent wise.

 

[RH23]

To answer your question, no he would not bury Sting. If Sting were to have joined the WWF after the purchase of WCW, they would've probably made him the top guy next to Austin in the Alliance. Sting is just way to good of a talent to bury. Vince knows that if he had Sting back then or maybe even now, he could've made the ratings go up and a lot from his merchandise sales.

 

[Chill]

No I don't think so at all, Vince realizes that Sting is a valuable asset to his company and that's why he made offers to him over the years. Even now, Sting joining WWE would be big and Sting has said himself that he didn't join WWE after they purchased WCW because he wasn't sure how he would be utilized after the Rock made what he pereceived to be a belittleling comment to one of WCW's biggest stars in Booker T. Regardless of that, I still think Sting could have been huge in WWE (Ric Flair has said this on a number of occassions) and that would have added to his legacy (in terms of who he could have worked with in WWE), but still there is a unique quality to him in that he has not worked for Vince. Overall, no, Vince would not ruin Sting...he must realize Sting's usefulness to his organization and thus wouldn't bury him. Plus, I don't think Sting would hang around long if he felt he was being underutilized or mistreated.

 

[SavageTaker]

If Sting would have jumped to the WWF/E back when the old NWA guys were joining Vince’s company then I do think Vince would have attempted to “kill” Sting. I was reading an interview that Magnum T.A. did earlier this week and he explained why many guys wouldn’t jump to the WWF. Here is what he said:

One subject that came up was Dusty Rhodes. Terry has a huge amount of respect for Dusty and spoke highly of things he could do in the ring. James brought up his stint in WWF as the Common Man. Despite his polka dot days, Rhodes still rose to the top. Magnum thinks that situations like that may have kept others from jumping ship…

"Vince (McMahon) has had his fun with a bunch of the old NWA guys at the time and I think that's why some of the guys like Sting never wanted to take that jump over because they'd always kind of been protected and taken care of with a certain amount of respect. They didn't feel that they could take that step and receive the same level of regard in terms to the professional part of it that they're used to having in their career."

So if this was during those times then I could see Vince attempting to “kill” Sting. Like Magnum said, Vince loved having his fun with a lot of the guys who jumped shipped to his company from the NWA and I think if Sting had jumped ship then he might have had the same fate. However that’s what could have happened if it was then but today I just cannot see it happening. Sting could make Vince a lot of money and we know how much Vince loves having and making money. If there weren’t things that Sting could do to make him money then he would probably attempt to “kill” Sting. However, Sting would be a great asset to Vince’s company. There are so many things he could do that it wouldn’t be a wise decision for Vince to try and kill Sting. There is a ton of money to be made from different thing Sting could do with the company and if there is one thing I know it’s that Vince is a smart man. If it makes him money then it’s very unlikely that he is going to “kill” it. So no, I don’t think Vince would “kill” Sting.

 

[Deexter Jorgan]

The fact is, would Vince be able to market sting in hopes that the WCW original can help promote DVDs and such, well the truth is yes he can, Sting would extend his legacy if he came to work for Mcmahon, and Vince could sell the whole one last chance angle to help elevate Sting to a world title run in the WWE.

It would inturn generate revenue and help make the WWE machine millions in DVD sales, t-shirts, ticket sales and other major merchandising, Marks would buy into it and new fans would love to see what sting is about, and if most think im crazy look at guys like Rick Flair and Hogan who managed to get another shot at glory all because the WWE knew that they could earn money out of these guys, Vince isnt beyond making more money for the WWE and if he needs to use nastalga to gain that he will.

Sting in the WWE = money and Vince doesn't bury money

 

[CenaSux4Life78]

Its obvious Vince wouldn't. Think of it like this, if WCW had won the Monday Night Wars, and Undertaker came eventually over....would Bishoff kill Undertaker? To me they are the same calliber. It just would not be good business in the end.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

I dont know that it IS so obvious. I think the easy answer to all of this is rather obvious.


Ric Flair? Vader? Ron Simmons? those guys ring a bell to any of you? All gods in WCW/NWA, all made into straight up JOKES in the WWE. If Vince didnt make it, he buries it, as idiotic as that may be. Yea, Sting would probably get buried and be made into a comedy character with a dumb plastic helmet. Sorry, just how Vince does things, and Sting knows it. Thats why he has never came to play ball up north.

 

[Southwind]

This is a dumb question Vince would undress Sting's career if he went to the "E" the mans smart he stays away from it honestly Sting's better of jobbing to Don West for the rest of his career then going into the WWE.

Booker T Flair Simmons Bischoff all were humiliated at times during there careers and Sting should want none of that VKM is a egomaniac if he didn't create it then it's worthless and deserves to be shown as so.

 

[Total Impact]

First let me say that I think Sting will be in a WWE ring for three reason:

1.If HBK can do it & find nothing that the WWE does is against his religious views, then I think Sting would do the same. Plus WWE is a very tame version of its past & what TNA does now. Plus with the dates that HBK works, I can see Sting doing the same for the WWE for at least a year.

2.His legacy. I believe Sting nows that some of his fans have no clue about TNA & that he has been wrestling for years now, so he may actually see the WWE as a good farewell tour to say goodbye to his fans on a global connection. Plus the money would be great for his retirement.

3.WrestleMania. Sure there may have been Starrcade, November to Remember, Bound for Glory, but to wrestle at WrestleMania would be great for Sting's legacy. Plus a match between Sting & Undertaker would be worth the PPV buys as both are Icons & wouldn't mind seeing Sting go over on Undertaker. Hell I would like to see a proper Sting vS Hogan match. Sting vS Cena, Sting vS HHH, Sting vS HBK, the list of matches the WWE could produce would be enough to bring sting in.

As far as Vince killing Sting, there is something in the past said about Vince & that is he likes gimmicks over names & that is what Goldberg was & what Sting is. Vince could sell Sting the gimmick with mask, t-shirts etc just as he does with Rey. Plus Vince did a good job with Sabu till Sabu let it go away in a puff of smoke. Sting's gimmick is so strong that Vince knows he could make millions off of it & Sting has the pride & will to say no to Vince. So it would have worked greatly. I mean sure he would do his mandatory job to Triple H as every single former WCW & ECW star has done in the past but its part of the WWE rules. So yeah Vince & Sting would have been perfect.

Another thing to look at is that out of all of the former ECW & WCW talent that has been mention by the WWE, Sting has to my knowledge never been buried or lampoon by the WWE. I mean in the greatest stars of the 90's DVD he is the only star to never wrestle for the WWE to be put on the DVD & the WWE talks great about the guy. So Vince knows sting is money & Vince likes the money.

 

[charlieboy]

i dont think vince would kill the charactor sting cause the man behind steve bordman is a ring savvy veteran who knows how to play the game. if he was to go to wwe the endless possibilities of feuds and stuff is out of this world, and we all know he wouldnt take any messing from the boys with the power backstage. but he has stated he wont go too wwe and is really happy tna, i also think he should do 18 months to two years with vince and retire on a all time high. that would be a true send off for a man of stings callibre and statue.

 

[Doomsday Device]

I think with Vince, you make your own luck. If you start on the right foot with him and be straight. He'll be cool with you. But if you get out of hand and start fucking around then he'll have no choice but to fuck with you back.

Sure Sting was seen as the unofficial leader in the rival company that almost took the WWE out of business, and if Sting joined the E this would certainly cross Vince's mind as in "now's my chance to screw with this guy" This may have been Vince's mindset in the past, but I think he may have matured a bit from 10 years ago. Plus E is in a different direction now.

It would be nice to see Sting at least for a one year run with the E, but highly doubtful. This would go against everything Sting has said in the past and Im sure he doesnt want to be seen as a sellout.

 

[keegamer80]

I think 15 years ago vince would have tried to kill sting. I don't think the fans would have allowed that to happen. I am still holding out that when his tna deal is up he will join wwe. I doubt he will though. The wwe product has changed alot since that interview where sting was talking about the invasion angle. Plus that was just The Rock being himself. I hope he signs atleast a one year deal. Regardless if he does he WILL be in the wwe hall of fame.

 

[The Mark of Zur-En-Arrh]

I've actually seen an interview with Sting, where he brought up why he didn't go to the 'E' and it was that he basically didn't want to have to prove himself to Vince McMahon, when the fans all loved and respected him already. That's not exactly what he said, but it's the jist. He had an example of what he meant, which was when Booker T first did a segment with The Rock during the Invasion, Rock turned to Booker and said 'who the hell are you?' and that's when Sting 'knew' he'd never get respected and utilised properly in WWE.

But, tbh, it's hard to say. Were Booker, Goldberg, Mysterio, Benoit, Guerrero, Jericho buried in WWE? Fuck no. Every single one of those guys was crowned the champion, most of them after as little as 4 years with the company.

Then again, Simmons, Vader, Kronik, Gillberg, Raven, DDP, Saturn, Bagwell and a slew of others were hired and humiliated/ditched within months of joining. Others joined and then went into a backstage role and are still there now i.e Dreamer, Noble, Malenko, Anderson, Tazz (ok, he just left but still). And there's the odd ones like Finlay and Regal who've had half decent runs despite jumping back and forth between companys.

The problem with Sting is, that while he is an automatic draw like Goldberg for instance, he's got a pretty big thing going against him. Vince already has the Undertaker. Vince already has a big, sturdy veteran, with a succesful 'dark' gimmick who draws consistantly, so why would Vince want him?

Vince would probably make Sting start with the upper mid-card, and wait to see how well he could do before making him a ME guy. Vince would want to assess his ring work with the other WWE guys and just how prone to injury he is, and if he can still handle the WWE work schedule. Sting might want the same deal as Taker and HBK, with the lighter schedules, but Vince won't give it to him.

"You work your ass off to make me money for 2 decades like they both have and keep the fans attention, and THEN i'll consider it," would probably be Vince's answer to such a request.

I think Vince would probably give Sting the same sort of run that Benoit had. In Benoit's first year in the 'E', he fueded with loads of top guys including Jericho, Angle, Taker, HHH, Austin, and the Rock. So that's the company's 2 most popular up and comers and every ME guy they had at the time. He was even crowned the champion twice (ok both title matches were restarted and the title wins didn't count, but they still saw him as good enough to be in the ME scene very quickly.)

If Sting signed a contract with Vince and had Benoit or Jericho's attitude when they arrived i.e. "wow, i didn't know it was so awesome to work for these guys! Thank God i left WCW" instead of what was probably Booker T's initial attitude of 'ok you bought out the rest of my contract, but don't treat me like a nobody, i'm the 5 time blah blah blah', then i think Sting would probably have a great run in the 'E' that he himself would be proud of.......

.....Shame it's not likely to happen, especially after all of Foley's recent moaning about Vince.

 

[robbo316]

I dont know that it IS so obvious. I think the easy answer to all of this is rather obvious.


Ric Flair? Vader? Ron Simmons? those guys ring a bell to any of you? All gods in WCW/NWA, all made into straight up JOKES in the WWE. If Vince didnt make it, he buries it, as idiotic as that may be. Yea, Sting would probably get buried and be made into a comedy character with a dumb plastic helmet. Sorry, just how Vince does things, and Sting knows it. Thats why he has never came to play ball up north.

I can only assume you're too young to remember the early 1990's, Ric Flair came in claiming to be the "Real Worlds Champion", which led to a fued with Hogan, he then went on to become World Champion at the Royal Rumble 1992, followed up by this list:

World Tag Team Championship (3 times) – with Batista (2) and Roddy Piper (1)
WWE Intercontinental Championship (1 time)
WWF Championship (2 times)
Royal Rumble (1992)
Thirteenth Triple Crown Champion

I bet there are more than a few up and comers who would love to burried like that!

As for Vader, by the time he joined the WWF in 1996, he was 41 years old, and the signs of wear and tear were beginning to show, so he was used in position that suited him, a big bully.

And now on to Ron Simmons, another case of time taking it's toll, he for me didn't work well as a singles wrestler, but, teamed up with JBL, he won the Tag Team Titles 3 times.

I would really love to know how these guys were made into jokes. Could you explain?

 

[Reddannihilation]

I can only assume you're too young to remember the early 1990's, Ric Flair came in claiming to be the "Real Worlds Champion", which led to a fued with Hogan, he then went on to become World Champion at the Royal Rumble 1992, followed up by this list:

World Tag Team Championship (3 times) – with Batista (2) and Roddy Piper (1)
WWE Intercontinental Championship (1 time)
WWF Championship (2 times)
Royal Rumble (1992)
Thirteenth Triple Crown Champion

I bet there are more than a few up and comers who would love to burried like that!

As for Vader, by the time he joined the WWF in 1996, he was 41 years old, and the signs of wear and tear were beginning to show, so he was used in position that suited him, a big bully.

And now on to Ron Simmons, another case of time taking it's toll, he for me didn't work well as a singles wrestler, but, teamed up with JBL, he won the Tag Team Titles 3 times.

I would really love to know how these guys were made into jokes. Could you explain?

Vader was treated like shit, constantly jobbing to other wrestlers, if I remember correctly I read somewhere that he left the WWE because they'd planned to have him job to Taka Michinoku. Vader was a dominant monster during his WCW days and whilst he had a brief run as a monster in WWE he ended up being made a bitch.

The same goes for Ron Simmons, the man was the first African-American WCW champion and when he crossed to the "E" he was stuck with the "original" Nation of Domination which was a stable that had more valets/managers/etc. then it did wrestlers. Then he got to be the leader of the second Nation of Domination that had him get beaten down by the Rock and left back in the midcard. And finally he got to be JBL's lesser half who walked around saying "Damn" a lot. Both of those guys were Main Eventers in WCW and as soon as they crossed to the WWE they had small runs as competitors and were left off to the side for the rest of their run.

As for Flair I pretty much agree with you, but it could be argued that he was still treated like a lesser star compared to others, especially in Evolution where he was more or less Triple H's towel boy.

 

[Billie Jean]

No if Sting ever came to the WWE Vince wouldnt take for granted the fact that he got the one that got away. if he were to come to the WWE today he would be champ soon enough i could asure you becuase Vince is not stupid. Sting could put on classic matches with hundreds of wwe superstars, ala, taker, michales,he would make the wwe millions upon millions on merchindise sales.

through you never know. Vince could get pissed that Sting has critizised him before and try to intentionaly kill his legacy. But i doubt it. I think that Vince respects Sting for making it without the biggist industry in wrestling, the WWE.

 

[hatehabsforever]

I would answer this question differently depending upon which time frame you are referring to.

If Sting had left WCW and come to WWE in the dying days of WCW, when Jericho, Benoit, and several others left WCW while it still existed (barely), I think Sting probably would have enjoyed a good run in the WWE. He could have had several good feuds, would have definitely been in the main event scene, and would have had his turn(s) with the major belts. Why wouldn't he, Benoit, Jericho, Guerrero, they all had success in the WWE.

If he had left shortly after the demise of WCW, he would have had some success but to a lesser degree. Vince would have made him pay his dues to a certain degree, but he would have had some success, much like Booker T or RVD (ECW rather than WCW I know, but same idea).

If Sting came to WWE now, he would enjoy very little success in my opinion. I have always felt that Sting is one of the most over-rated wrestlers in the business. This would come more to the forefront now. He's much older and therefore not the same in the ring as he once was. This would become evident in a hurry (it's evident in TNA). I always felt that Sting was a big fish in a little pond, much like in TNA. I think he realized that he wouldn't cut it in WWE for a variety of reasons which is most of the reason why he never came. Not that Vince or the WWE would hold him back, but that he himself would restrict where he would go.

Goldberg was a big deal in WCW. Now I'm not comparing Goldberg and Sting, I'm just saying that once Goldberg came to WWE it became evident very quickly that he wasn't all that. Same as several other guys, guys who didn't live up to their expectations in WWE and when this happened, big bad Vince was incorrectly blamed for it.

Let's face it, if Sting came to WWE today, where would he go? To Raw? And what, he would leapfrog over Cena, HHH, HBK, Orton, Batista, to win a major title? Doubtful, especially at his age. SO what would happen, he'd come to Raw and lose to these guys? His ego would never allow it. So instead he'd go to SD, and what, put Taker, Edge, Jericho, Punk and others on the shelf? End Taker's streak. Come on! Go to ECW? He'd never do it, again his ego would never allow it.

I think he'll stay where he is and then soon retire, where thoughts and dreams of what could have been would be his legacy, rather than have him appear on the grandest stage of them all, where his true legacy would be exposed.

That's if he came now. As I said above, years ago it could have been different, he could have earned his spot in history. But it won't just be handed to him now, it's too late.

 

[CenaSux4Life78]

Something that came to mind. Yes Vince did screw the majority of the old wcw guys. But when it came to Ric, what was really left for him to do? Yeah it would have been cool to see The Natch have one more title reighn but owell. I think that WHEN Sting comes, I have faith. He will be pushed like Goldberg was right away. Start him against a mid-card guy....Carlito will work. Then put him agaist Orton. But to cement his legacy, retire at Mania after beating Taker.

 

[byrnside]

First of all, I think Vince hardly killed the RVD character.. Seeing as how he had a reign as WWE champion right before he left, and was also the ECW champion, before it was basically made into a mid card title. I think he'd handle Sting similarly to how Flair was handled after he arrived in the WWE, with a lot of respect and dignity. Of course Sting wouldn't be coming off of an all-time low point like Flair was. But I think Sting could come in, work a great program with the Undertaker off the bat, it'd be the ultimate battle of mind games. If they brought Sting in how he was similarly when the nWo first starts. Then a good program with HBK afterward [who is the true christian, or something like that.] Personally, I'd love to see an evolution of "the Man Called Sting" gimmick from the early 90s. Rat tail or no rat tail, either way.