Would Eddie Gurrerro be in the Hall of Fame if he hadn't died?

[Milkyway!]

Now then, we are not talking about Vince's kayfaybe hall. As we were with Shawn Micheals. We are talking about a legit Hall of Fame, that is for the best, of the best. Eddie had one World Champion title reign. Which wasn't all that great, I stopped watching when he got it. His only memorable fued (for me) was vs Rey mystero, and thats only because i was a HUGE Mystero mark for several years. His charisma was okay, but did it really sell with the fans? (while he was alive folks) Latino Heat was good, but with someone like Rey, could have been better. He was a sound wrestler, and rather boring I dare say at times.

We'll look at his fued with Batista. We all know it was a matter of time before he turned on him. Then Batista would have pumbled him into the pulp that he was. But, he died. Leaving us with a bad fued. (hey, whats new?)

His fued with reyrey was okay. Like I said above, I was a huge mysero smark. If not for rey being such a babyface at the time, it would have blown. Hardcore. Are we really supposed to believe that rey's son was eddies?

Now remember this was for the LEGIT hall of fame, not in the kayfabe sense. If Eddie hadn't died, would he deserve to be in the hall of fame?

 

["Cool Guy" Jensen]

I'm sorry buddy, but you are really losing it if you think that Eddie Guerrero's World Title reign ''wasn't that great''. I mean really, Eddie Guerrero helped elevate his own career as the champion and helped turn J.B.L. into the incredible heel that he is today.

You say that his ONLY memorable feud was against Rey Mysterio? What the hell is wrong with you? He's had countless number of feuds, against Big Show, Kurt Angle, J.B.L., and Rey Mysterio, not to mention a lot more. The only reason you feel that the only good feud was against him was because you enjoyed the actual storyline itslf, as opposed to the wrestling aspect of it.

WWE wasn't going to pull the trigger that fast on the Eddie Guerrero/Batista friendship storyline. Eddie would eventually win the title from Batista and Batista would want a rematch. They could have continued to be friends leading up to their title rematch and then Eddie could have turned on him, without having to be a heel.

Bottom line is, Eddie Guerrero would be and is the perfect candidate to have been in the Hall of Fame. His tragic and untimely death caused it to happen a lot sooner, but nonetheless, he deserved to take his rightful place into the Hall of Fame. No questions about it.

 

[samus500]

I dont think that he would have been immediately put into the HoF had he lived, but I do think that he would eventually make it there as he was too good not to be in there IMO.

 

[HHH=The Peoples King]

Yes when he retired he would of, but he wouldnt have this early had he not died

i think had Beniot not done what he did he would have went in the Hall of Fame when he retired to, but now he probley never will

 

[LokiCobain]

WWE Heavyweight Champ
2-time Intercontinental Champ
2-time United States Champ (once in WWE, once in WCW)
2-time Cruiserweight Champ (when it mattered in WCW)
2-time ECW TV champ
2-time European Champ
3-time Tag Team Champ (Rey, Tajiri, Chavo)

And those are his American titles...

The guy may not have had 8 world championships, but he was always a big player in the title picture, as well as coming from a legendary family, which always helps in WWE. And I don't know when you were watching but he always had charisma and was great with the fans. Fans would explode every time he'd fake a chair shot and win via DQ

 

[klunderbunker]

Nope. The guy was slightly above average at best. There's little if any validation that he should go into a legit hall of fame. People like Shawn Michaels are legends in the ring and can have great matches with anyone. Almost all of Eddie's great matches have been with people that are great in ring performers as well. While there are exceptions, that to me is the sign of an average worker. He was popular, which is a very different thing that being good.

 

[realblackhart]

As far as Benoit is concerned, his crudentials would have gotten him in the Hall after his reirement because I'm sure he would have had some more title reigns and accomplishments but his actions (which I sill don't believe) will forever disqualify him from that honor. Eddie would have definately gotten in after his retirement. Like Benoit he would have had some more title reigns and accomplishmets which would have given him the hnor of entering the Hall. His reign in my opinion is memorable and worthy of the HOF. He was very over with the fans and in his case the Hall is not only what he was but whay he would have been. He was very charasmatic and a good worker. He knew how to have a good match and he was very entertaining to watch. He had talent, ability, charisma, and heart for the business. He got enough accomplishments where we could say that if he had stayed in the business longer he would have made it in anyway. He won titles in Mexico, Japan, and in the US. His tragic early death should not keep him and his family from this honor.

 

[shafe_41]

Sadly, I don't think he would have. If he would have, it would have been much later as he would have been inducted as part of the "Guerrero Family." Eddie did have an incredible amount of charisma and everything he did with the WWE was memorable in my opinion. I just feel his time with the company was too short. His angle with Chyna as his woman was classic. His feud with Mysterio was great. His reign as champion was great and his feud with JBL was one of the best in recent memory when the WWE was really going downhill. Even though Eddie did all of that in his short career with the WWE, I just don't see him as a LEGIT HOFer in a LEGIT hall of fame.
Plus what do you mean by a LEGIT hall anyway? We know Vince's is somewhat made up and all that and it's just something to add to WM weekend. But we would just need some clarification of what this LEGIT hall consists of?

 

[HBK-aholic]

It pains m to say things like this because I was an Eddie fan, but my God he is now the most overrated wrestler ever in the business. Get over him. His best moments were with Chyna, he had a few good comedy moments. I look at him as Santino with a push. Bottom line is he wasn't a great wrestler, and especially seeings as you added legit HOF no way should he be inducted.

 

[Dale B]

Eddie Guerrero was a Great Man, a Great Friend, a Great Husband, a Great Father and Most of All, A GREAT WRESTLER. Eddie Should be and Will be in The Hall Of Fame ! God Bless Eddie ! VIVA LA RAZA !

 

[klunderbunker]

And what does any of that have to do with him being in the Hall of Fame? I'm sure someone like Duke Drose, Buddy Parker and Al Simmons are great family men too. That doesn't mean they should be in the hall of fame. What matters is what you do in the ring and on the mic. Guerrero was average at best. If you knew what you were talking about, you'd know he already was in the HOF. So what if he was a great person, which is arguable. He was slightly above average in the ring and that's about it.

 

[OIL]

It pains m to say things like this because I was an Eddie fan, but my God he is now the most overrated wrestler ever in the business. Get over him. His best moments were with Chyna, he had a few good comedy moments. I look at him as Santino with a push. Bottom line is he wasn't a great wrestler, and especially seeings as you added legit HOF no way should he be inducted.

Don't call yourself an Eddie fan because you're clearly not. What was overrated about him exactly? The fact that he put on great matches? The fact that he entertained millions? The fact that technically, he was one of the best in the business? Dare I say, above HBK? Shit. Look what I just did. Eddie deserves to be in a 'legit' Hall of Fame. He was fucking superb. Always put on great matches & was entertaining as anyone. He had a special connection with the crowd. They loved him. He loved them. Don't deny that he shouldn't be inducted, because you know he should.

 

[klunderbunker]

No, he really wasn't. So what if he had a connection witht he crowd and loved them? Batista connects with the crowd and I would assume loves them. Should he be in the Hall of Fame? Eddie had good matches with good wrestlers and forgettable matches with bad wrestlers. He was a face for how long in his career? Maybe 1/5? Other than that the crowd hated him. He was good in the ring, but that's it. Not great by any means. He was pushed huge at the end of his career and based on that he's viewed as great. Where was this love for him during his WCW time, or during his earlier WWE time? He had his fans, but until the last about two years of his life he wasn't pushed as anything special.

 

[OIL]

No, he really wasn't. So what if he had a connection witht he crowd and loved them? Batista connects with the crowd and I would assume loves them. Should he be in the Hall of Fame? Eddie had good matches with good wrestlers and forgettable matches with bad wrestlers. He was a face for how long in his career? Maybe 1/5? Other than that the crowd hated him. He was good in the ring, but that's it. Not great by any means. He was pushed huge at the end of his career and based on that he's viewed as great. Where was this love for him during his WCW time, or during his earlier WWE time? He had his fans, but until the last about two years of his life he wasn't pushed as anything special.

Eddie did have good matches. Then he had great matches. Everyone has had bad matches, even the best. And it takes 2 good wrestlers to make a good match. Sure, one can carry the other. Jericho carried HBK throughout their entire fued, but in the majority of Eddie's matches he was a class act. Look to his earlier matches with Rey Mysterio in WCW. They were fantastic. Rey didn't carry Eddie, they were both equal and put on amazing matches. Bullshit was he not great. Technically he was one of the best on the roster. ONE OF THE BEST, not THE best. And since when did Vince push everyone that were actually deserving of a push now?

 

[klunderbunker]

Show me ONE match he had with a bad wrestler that was great. A match where he carried someone else. You're ignoring what I'm saying. He could have great matches with other great workers. One of the best shouldn't get you into the hall of fame. Being the best of the best should.

 

[Milkyway!]

I'm sorry buddy, but you are really losing it if you think that Eddie Guerrero's World Title reign ''wasn't that great''. I mean really, Eddie Guerrero helped elevate his own career as the champion and helped turn J.B.L. into the incredible heel that he is today.

You say that his ONLY memorable feud was against Rey Mysterio? What the hell is wrong with you? He's had countless number of feuds, against Big Show, Kurt Angle, J.B.L., and Rey Mysterio, not to mention a lot more. The only reason you feel that the only good feud was against him was because you enjoyed the actual storyline itslf, as opposed to the wrestling aspect of it.

WWE wasn't going to pull the trigger that fast on the Eddie Guerrero/Batista friendship storyline. Eddie would eventually win the title from Batista and Batista would want a rematch. They could have continued to be friends leading up to their title rematch and then Eddie could have turned on him, without having to be a heel.

Bottom line is, Eddie Guerrero would be and is the perfect candidate to have been in the Hall of Fame. His tragic and untimely death caused it to happen a lot sooner, but nonetheless, he deserved to take his rightful place into the Hall of Fame. No questions about it.

You've completely missed the most important part of my thread. A legit hall. Your telling me Eddie deserves to be in the hall of fame with guys like, Austin, Hulk, Flair, Andre, Savage? Thats like saying Rey mystero belongs in a legit hall of fame. Eddie had his 15 minutes of fame, I'll give him that. But those guys, had their 15 years......And thats the bottom line. Sure thats the top of the class, but the bottom of the class, had there few years of fame too. Just look at HBK, Malenko, Nash, Hall, and Sting. Then No, he dosent. He only got in, because he died.

 

[OIL]

Wait, hold on. So you're telling me to get into the HoF you have to be THE best. Litterally. So, using that theory, you'd exclude many, many great wrestlers from the HoF because they wern't THE best. I guess you could scrap Edge, Triple H, Benoit, Stone Cold ect.. That theory is rubbish then. I understand what you mean by the fact that they do have to be amazing. Perhaps the best in a particular part of being a wrestler. Charisma for example. But no wrestler is complete in every department. For what Eddie did, he deserves his place in the HoF.

 

[klunderbunker]

What did he do that was so great? I've yet to see it. Was it the dance? Was it having a popular catchphrase? Benoit was light years ahead of Eddie in the ring, and if you don't realize that then I can't help you. HHH has won title after title and has been in the main event for years now. Like him or not, he's one of the best in the world and has earned his spot. Did you really just call Austin not one of the best? WOW. Edge doesn't belong in the HOF either.

He was decent on the mic, and decent in the ring, He was given the title because Lesnar was leaving. Would he have made a HOF had he lived? I doubt it. Barring every other big star leaving, maybe, because he would have fileld up his resume, but other than that, he was fairly popular, and that's it.

 

[Showtime]

I'm going to say, I don't know. At the point in his career when he died I'd say he was boarder line having a HOF career. He wrestled two stints within the WWE. The first went a little more than a year, and he was a 1-time IC champion and a 2-time European champion. His second lasted for 3 and a half years and included 1 WWE title reign, 1 US title reign and 4 WWE tag team title reigns. All in all, he was the 11th Triple Crown Champion and the 5th Grandslam Champion. Those numbers aren't bad, plus he was tremendously over as both a heel and later as a face, and had some memorable feuds and matches, time with the Radicalz, the IC title matches with RVD, the matches and tag team run with Los Guerreros, the US title reign and his subsequent break up feud with Chavo, winning the first publicly televised Royal Rumble, matches with Lesner and Angle, and then his feud with Mysterio. Plus, Eddie does have a lot of highlight matches and titles in WCW and in Mexico. The biggest problem is that he just didn't wrestle long enough in the WWE. We have long discussions about if Owen should be in the Hall or not, and he wrestled for 8+ years to accomplish what Guerrero accomplished in 4 1/2 years. And that there is the only problem, he only wrestled for 4ish years and accomplished what is the boarder line amount needed.

Had he wrestled longer, who knows. He probably would've had a few more world title reigns, and probably would've had more memorable feuds with other wrestlers like HHH, HBK, Orton, Jericho, Taker or Cena. But then again we should never speculate. Vince thought Ultimate Warrior would be a star and gave him the world title, but he bombed after. Eddie's been wrestling way longer so it's doubtful he would just suck all of a sudden, but it could've happened. To make an out of sports reference, In 97, everyone figured Lindros was a shoe in for the Hall, Hockey News even named him the 54th greatest hockey player of all time in the top 100 greatest hockey players issue in 2000, after Eric had only been playing for 7ish seasons with no Stanley Cup. Injuries destroyed his career and there's another example of what could've happened.

And thats the thing, the Hall should never speculate what a wrestler could've done had he continued on. A HOF is based on accomplishments, not potential. Eddie's accomplishments are boarder line, I'd be nay or yay about him being in, I'm a fan of him, but he's on the fence in my mind. Had he continued, good chance he'd be a shoe in, but things could've happened, with the Benoit thing, anything could've happened to his rep.

 

[OIL]

What did he do that was so great? I've yet to see it. Was it the dance? Was it having a popular catchphrase? Benoit was light years ahead of Eddie in the ring, and if you don't realize that then I can't help you. HHH has won title after title and has been in the main event for years now. Like him or not, he's one of the best in the world and has earned his spot. Did you really just call Austin not one of the best? WOW. Edge doesn't belong in the HOF either.

He was decent on the mic, and decent in the ring, He was given the title because Lesnar was leaving. Would he have made a HOF had he lived? I doubt it. Barring every other big star leaving, maybe, because he would have fileld up his resume, but other than that, he was fairly popular, and that's it.

Benoit was light years ahead of Eddie, don't get me wrong. I rate Benoit alongside Hart in the ring. Angle near then & Eddie still some way off. But Benoit, Hart & Angle are all world class at their trade. In the ring, they could only be said in the same breathe as eachother, because anyone else wouldn't match up. But, Eddie could still have an amazing match against any of them. That, I'm sure of.

No I didn't call Austin not one of the best. Well, I might have but not in the context of how you're taking it. I meant he's not the best in every attribute of a wrestler. Some things he isn't as good as others. Eddie was better than decent on the mic, he was way above decent in the ring. He owned that ring every single time he stepped foot into it. Bar a few occasions against better opposition. If he had lived then of course he would have. He would have gone on to win many more championships, and improve as a wrestler. Oh, and HHH is one of the best in the world. I'm not denying that. But Eddie could hold his own against him in the ring, no doubt.

 

[klunderbunker]

Yeah but Austin did more for the company and the business than anyone buy Hogan. Without him, we'd be watching WCW right now. He had the x factor that so few had. Eddie didn't have that. He was never deserving of being near the top of the roster when it was at full strength. His career was solid, but by no means great. He was a good distance from those three in the ring, but was probably fourth in line off the top of my head. He just didn't have that it factor that makes him one of the best. His career, if it had stayed ont he same level it was, would have been good to great, but by no means that of a member of the Hall of Fame.

 

[Milkyway!]

I guess you could scrap Edge, Triple H, Benoit, Stone Cold ect

Stone cold only got the highest ratings ever And was the beginning of The entire attitude era.. Thats not hof worthy, at all?

HHH only has 13 title runs, who cares if hes banging the bosses daughter, he sells better than Shawn Micheals ever has/will. Hes only the leader of one of the top 3 stables ever. (DX)

Beniot is in the same catagory as Eddie. He wasnt all that great either, sure he was technically sound, but thats not HOF worthy.

 

[Engage87]

Eddie was one hell of a talent and would over time definitly would have been inducted to the hall of fame a couple years after he retired but the only reason that eddie is in the Hall of fame now is the fact that hes dead and it saddens me to say that. But since is untimly death he has become one of the most overrated wrestlers in the business. Granted, he was a very good performer and was always over with the crowd and even back to his WCW days he was awesome man his fueds wit malenko,mysterio,jericho,kidman etc while they were cruiseweights and also fighting for the TV title good times. But since his death hes already in the HOF and hes also in legends of wrestling games and etc.. all in all he would have gotten in but not this soon

 

["Cool Guy" Jensen]

You've completely missed the most important part of my thread. A legit hall. Your telling me Eddie deserves to be in the hall of fame with guys like, Austin, Hulk, Flair, Andre, Savage? Thats like saying Rey mystero belongs in a legit hall of fame. Eddie had his 15 minutes of fame, I'll give him that. But those guys, had their 15 years......And thats the bottom line. Sure thats the top of the class, but the bottom of the class, had there few years of fame too. Just look at HBK, Malenko, Nash, Hall, and Sting. Then No, he dosent. He only got in, because he died.

I understand exactly what you mean when you say ''legit'' Hall of Famer. I do think that Eddie should be in the same Hall of Fame as Austin, Hulk, Flair, and Andre. I'm not saying that he is in the same level as those legends, but still. But I feel that WWE always had plans to put him in the hall, but it happened a lot earlier becuase of his death.

 

[OIL]

Yeah but Austin did more for the company and the business than anyone buy Hogan. Without him, we'd be watching WCW right now. He had the x factor that so few had. Eddie didn't have that. He was never deserving of being near the top of the roster when it was at full strength. His career was solid, but by no means great. He was a good distance from those three in the ring, but was probably fourth in line off the top of my head. He just didn't have that it factor that makes him one of the best. His career, if it had stayed ont he same level it was, would have been good to great, but by no means that of a member of the Hall of Fame.

I won't deny that Austin did a lot more for the business. But would you put Shawn Michaels in this thing? Because if you would, he was the worst rated champion of all time. Someone who is meant to lead the company, did a quite frankly shit job. While Eddie was champion he had an entertaining fued with Angle, and you can't blame him for the fued with JBL. JBL is awful, so it can't be helped. If Eddie had better opponents then he COULD have gone on to become a great champion. He could have had that run that people would remember. Orton's most recent is an example. And by that it factor, in my opinion he did. It really comes down to what you define as the it factor. For you, it could be something completly different than it is for someone else. For me, the it factor is in wrestling, where you can captivate an audience with a performance of a lifetime. Constantly having great matches, having that aura about you in the ring & while doing a promo. For me, Eddie had it.