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Will and NorCal's general creative discussion thread

Mighty NorCal

SHALL WE BEGIN?
It has long been said by many members of this site that the two people with the most intuitive wrestling minds on this site are myself and TheOneBigWill.

Will and myself actaully have pretty long, involved conversations in the Mod Board room and through PMs about character ideas, angle ideas, and all sorts of those things. I figured why not get these ideas out there, and see what people think.

This thread is about gimmicks, angles, and characters we would use in The real, current, WWE. Anyone who would like to discuss our ideas, rate them evaluate them, whatever, please feel free. Anyone may also offer their own ideas, but if your idea sucks, Neither Will or myself will hesitate to laugh right in your face.


So lets get busy.


Will, tell me what you think of this..


well ya know since they have Zack Ryder doing his glamour douchebag gimmick (which I fucking LOVE btw)

maybe...have Hawkins be sorta like a rehash of the old Edge character? the "you think you know me" Edge. He looks somewhat simular to him.

WWE has made it known that Hawkins and Ryder has grown up together. Now Zack is all happy and shiny, Hawkins could be...ya know, pissed off. "hawkins" is even sort of a good name for the character...
 
Will, tell me what you think of this..


well ya know since they have Zack Ryder doing his glamour douchebag gimmick (which I fucking LOVE btw)

maybe...have Hawkins be sorta like a rehash of the old Edge character? the "you think you know me" Edge. He looks somewhat simular to him.

WWE has made it known that Hawkins and Ryder has grown up together. Now Zack is all happy and shiny, Hawkins could be...ya know, pissed off. "hawkins" is even sort of a good name for the character...

First, I think you're insane to like the "Woo, Wooo, WOOOOOO" gimmick. :lmao:

Second, I like the storyline idea behind Hawkins & Ryder having grown up together - yet leading alternative life-styles. Ryder is all happy and "famous", getting all the attention.. yet Hawkins is the outcast of the Family, always being picked last, being told to be more like Ryder, etc, etc.

It would work for short-term, but after Hawkins v. Ryder comes to happen.. which I guarantee not many would care about unless booked extremely great.. then where would the "dark and gloomy" gimmick lead Hawkins from there? To becoming the next Raven, perhaps? He'd have to have extremely great mic skills.. and to be honest, I don't think I've ever heard him talk.

ON that note - I miss the gimmick/character that Sean O'Haire had.. this one..

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Will. we ALL miss that gimmick. such a waste. They should use it, I bet no one has even the slightest memory of it, save for me and you. and KB.

I guess you just have to live in my area Will. when I saw his entrance and his theme music I was immeadiately taken with the gimmick. LOVE that shit, its fantastic.

Well, and if you remember. Old School Edge didnt talk. lulz. Who knows were he goes after that, but fuck it, its something, and a good character, that he could definately do. Just going off of how he has a simular look, and is pretty damn sound in the ring (they both are)
 
Will. we ALL miss that gimmick. such a waste. They should use it, I bet no one has even the slightest memory of it, save for me and you. and KB.

Agreed. I think the bigger issue was they just couldn't wrap their mind(s) around pushing Sean O'Haire. But dammit, that character could've been the greatest heel known to the W.W.E if used properly.

Fuck, it's basically the Devil's Advocate all over again. If I'm not mistaken, that's the role he was playing in general to begin with.

I guess you just have to live in my area Will. when I saw his entrance and his theme music I was immeadiately taken with the gimmick. LOVE that shit, its fantastic.

Well, and if you remember. Old School Edge didnt talk. lulz. Who knows were he goes after that, but fuck it, its something, and a good character, that he could definately do. Just going off of how he has a simular look, and is pretty damn sound in the ring (they both are)

I just wasn't taken by Ryder's "pinkish, orangish, purple" attire. He looks like a Tennis reject.

And as much as your idea works perfectly for both Hawkins & Ryder, naturally you must remember it's the W.W.E. - Which logically (by their standards) means we'll be getting a notice that Curt Hawkins has been released.
 
Also...

would I be the only person estatic if Tiffany got so sick of dealing with Jack Swagger that she fired him..

so he could pop up on RAW and win the US title? The All American American US champion?

Obviously RAW needs a boost if they have segments for waste like they did the other night
 
Also...

would I be the only person estatic if Tiffany got so sick of dealing with Jack Swagger that she fired him..

so he could pop up on RAW and win the US title? The All American American US champion?

Obviously RAW needs a boost if they have segments for waste like they did the other night

Dreamer is likely all set in becoming the New E.C.W General Manager. It's seen from a mile away. He's fired after not winning the title on the last show before the Extreme Rules p.p.v, then debuts either AT the p.p.v, or the show after as the new G.M and makes Swagger's life a living hell. (oh yeah, it'll be because of Swagger - again - that Dreamer doesn't win the title)

On that note - unlike Klunker, I liked the Santino/Santina storyline, but I also agree that TWO segments with Chavo & Santino is insanely ridiculous.
 
After watching E.C.W last night, I've come to the following conclusions for helpful ideas to increase their popularity.

Vladimir Kozlov: This guy is such a waste of space it's unbelievable, yet when he comes out in full Russian military attire - I pay attention, and want to pay attention. He's plain to me, because the white tights, and boring headbutt finisher do nothing for him.

Change his gimmick even more than they have. Let him start taking on a more suitable, "colorful" attire that appeals to his Military style gimmick. Let him wrestle in an outfit similar to what he comes out in to cut promos. And change his finishing move from a freaking headbutt to something more dominating.. like perhaps a Power bomb into that leg submission that Brock Lesnar used to use, in which it looked like he was bending people in half.

E.C.W Championship: I like the current situation they have going right now, but having Dreamer (a jobber for the most part) as the biggest viable option at winning the title - merely because he's "quitting" otherwise, is dull and stupid. I'm NOT going to believe a W.W.E career jobber is suddenly going to get.. wait, Chavo's held it - nevermind.

Okay, but seriously.. Dreamer taking over as General Manager - after Swagger screws him over once again, can build to a more long-term type of storyline than having Dreamer win the title - resign a meaningless contract - then drop it more than likely days, weeks or a month later to Swagger anyways.

Three of Harts: I've come to the most important conclusion that David Hart Smith isn't the original D.H Smith that debuted on Raw and looked small, horrible and boring. He looked fucking amazing this week against Finlay! A couple small issues I have though..

He's yet another Son of a famous Wrestler who's trying to claim he's better than his Father - despite really just debuting. I honestly believe with how Smith looks right now, he can become what his Father never did - a Heavyweight Champion. But I think it hurts Smith in some way, to disrespect his Father by playing off claiming he's better than a career mid-carder.

The other issue I have - he needs a better finisher. He leveled Finlay with a big boot (ala Test) when he debuted and attacked Finlay a week ago. On this week's episode, he merely won after knocking Finlay in the head with Natalya's boot, then hitting a side-suplex. He hit a British Bulldog-isque Running Powerslam, but I think he should keep that as a set-up move, not a finisher.

Klunder & I were discussing how the Hart's need a leader. Someone to more or less be their "Orton". But after watching E.C.W, I'm confident that David Hart Smith can be that Main Event star - look at him, he's perfect for what McMahon wants. Big, muscular, agile, and he's at least workable on the mic.. with time, he will become the star of E.C.W - if not leave it behind within a year, along with Kidd & Natalya to claim a dominate role on Smackdown.

One thing is for sure - I want to see more David Hart Smith, with Natalya, but could care less about Tyson Kidd.
 
Ive personally always dug Kozlovs look. he isnt supposed to be Snazzy. I would though, maybe go with some black trunks, instea dof ones that look like tightie whities. OR I would have him bust out the red ones with the sickle, like what ol boy Nikolai Volkoff used to wear. that would work damn well.

I think the powerslam could work for DH Smith, simply becuase he is seemingly eight fucking feet tall. Not sure what else they could use for him, but I am in agreeance that he NEEDS an actual finisher, and that they DONT need a new figurehead. I thing they are fine how they are.
 
Ive personally always dug Kozlovs look. he isnt supposed to be Snazzy. I would though, maybe go with some black trunks, instea dof ones that look like tightie whities. OR I would have him bust out the red ones with the sickle, like what ol boy Nikolai Volkoff used to wear. that would work damn well.

I like the old school red trunks/sickle tights idea. I've always been a firm believer in if you're trying to get over by using a Nationality or Country as your base - use their colors, and their logo. The more Russian symbolism Kozlov adapts to, the better.

Even in moves. :lmao: A russian leg sweep wouldn't hurt. Possibly rename some other b-list move, like an Irish whip into an exposed turnbuckle, chest first.. call it the "Moscow Man-whip".

I think the powerslam could work for DH Smith, simply becuase he is seemingly eight fucking feet tall. Not sure what else they could use for him, but I am in agreeance that he NEEDS an actual finisher, and that they DONT need a new figurehead. I thing they are fine how they are.

I keep referring to him by full name, because "D.H. Smith" reminds me of the little boy who debuted on Raw and sucked horribly.

David Hart Smith is the fully grown man that showed up towering over Finlay, and pretty much everyone else, and seems like a future Heavyweight contender for year's to come.

The reason I'm not a fan of the running powerslam as a finisher, is because it doesn't seem finisher worthy in this day and age. In the 80's and 90's, yes. Now, when we've got electrifying moves and finishers. (minus your typical fireman's carry; attitude adjuster, or Wall's of Jericho; boston crab) I think because he's a new breed -kinda - he needs a dominating and stand-out type of move. Something that hasn't been used in the W.W.E before.
 
So KB and myself were discussing how to improve CM Punk, and I lamented that him doing a power move of sorts for a finisher was silly, being as he isnt a real big guy.

I suggested the reverse DDT, like Sting used to do. Or the crossface. Or A Tazzmission sorta thingy. Everyone needs to breathe oxygen, regardless of they are twice your size
 
So KB and myself were discussing how to improve CM Punk, and I lamented that him doing a power move of sorts for a finisher was silly, being as he isnt a real big guy.

I suggested the reverse DDT, like Sting used to do. Or the crossface. Or A Tazzmission sorta thingy. Everyone needs to breathe oxygen, regardless of they are twice your size

It's funny you bring this up, because I was thinking just earlier today.. if Punk gets Umaga up for the G.T.S, then actually gets Umaga launched off him and connects with the knee to the face, it might actually break Punk's knee - more than hurt Umaga's thick skull. :lmao:

SO while I'm actually a fan of Punk's G.T.S - because it looks real, and obviously can be since he broke Snitsky's nose with it.. I think you have a point that Punk is NOT a power-based Superstar, so it's silly to think he should be using a power-based finishing move.

His arm/head submission was called "The anaconda vice". I had to look that up because of a thread I posted in the other day, regarding Submissions. (I think it was Irish's Submission ppv thread) anyways.. I loathed that finisher, because it just looked stupid. And a Taz-mission is great regardless your size, but it's Taz's finisher - and seeing anyone else (Sloppy Joe included) doing it - just looks horrible.

Punk works best with his feet. If you ask me, he needs to adapt to Tajiri's moveset and kick his opponent's head's clean off their shoulders. Tajiri used to be a dangerous mother fucker. Punk could be, too, with a move like that.

THE Brian Kendrick - So, in a thread about who will his partner could be.. I just had the greatest idea possible. Kendrick is being seen as something mirror-imaged to Pillman, right? So why not find someone (Hawkins, perhaps - he's blonde) to give attitude to, and reform an alternative version of the HOLLYWOOD BLONDES!

Kendrick & Hawkins could be that duo. Or, Kendrick & Ziggler. What do you think?
 
I mentioned the Tajiri face kick, and KB brushed me off. I thought it was an excellent idea myself. Some type of roundhouse thingy.


I saw that idea, and for two reasons I sorta have doubts....1, he needs a big partner. I dont mean popularity, but actual physical size. Kendrick is too tiny to have another little guy with him. I mean, it possibly COULD work, but I think itd be a better team with a behemoth helping Kendrick

2. Dude, people might not even fucking remember Hawkins :lmao: he could come out with all this attitude and people will just say "errr...who the FUCK?". I think my Edge esque character would work better, as the character itself draws people in, more than the guy playing it, and more than your average every day "cocky disrespectfull heel blah blah blah"

I just hope to GOD its not Kennedy. what an AWFUL waste that would be.
 
I mentioned the Tajiri face kick, and KB brushed me off. I thought it was an excellent idea myself. Some type of roundhouse thingy.

He's from Kentucky, it's likely he's been kicked in the head already one too many times to be a fan of seeing it happen to others. :lmao: (Sorry KB, I still e-luv ya)

I would just generally need a reason on why a buzz-saw kick WOULDN'T work for a guy who's specialty is kicking people with precision foot-work.

I saw that idea, and for two reasons I sorta have doubts....1, he needs a big partner. I dont mean popularity, but actual physical size. Kendrick is too tiny to have another little guy with him. I mean, it possibly COULD work, but I think itd be a better team with a behemoth helping Kendrick

I'd laugh if it ends up being the Big Show. I seem to recall Spike Dudley and Kane, then Spike Dudley and the Big Show once trying to pair up. I thought to myself - this would be great, if it weren't so stupid.

Kendrick and Jackson worked well. Kendrick and someone too much bigger wouldn't work at all though. Like Khali or Show.. they'd just over shadow Kendrick so much you'd forget all about him.

2. Dude, people might not even fucking remember Hawkins :lmao: he could come out with all this attitude and people will just say "errr...who the FUCK?". I think my Edge esque character would work better, as the character itself draws people in, more than the guy playing it, and more than your average every day "cocky disrespectfull heel blah blah blah"

I think people forgetting Hawkins is what could play in his favor though. You could literally start fresh with anything. It's likely why Ryder is somewhat working with his gimmick right now.. not many people are referring to him as "That one guy who I once thought might've been Edge, but wasn't."

I just hope to GOD its not Kennedy. what an AWFUL waste that would be.

Kennedy's so injury prone these days, as horrible as it is to say.. I couldn't even see them wasting that big of a spot on him.

Personally, I think Kennedy and Miz should've had a feud instead of this Miz/Cena thing. What's the end result of Miz/Cena - duh, an Attitude Adjustment and Miz losing. At most, all Miz is gaining credit for is the same thing Jericho did over a decade ago in W.C.W against Goldberg.. he's racking up pointless "victories" that won't mean anything once Cena finally wins ONE match.. which will ironically be, their first match. (not that exhibition shit, either)
 
He's from Kentucky, it's likely he's been kicked in the head already one too many times to be a fan of seeing it happen to others. :lmao: (Sorry KB, I still e-luv ya)

I would just generally need a reason on why a buzz-saw kick WOULDN'T work for a guy who's specialty is kicking people with precision foot-work.



I'd laugh if it ends up being the Big Show. I seem to recall Spike Dudley and Kane, then Spike Dudley and the Big Show once trying to pair up. I thought to myself - this would be great, if it weren't so stupid.

Kendrick and Jackson worked well. Kendrick and someone too much bigger wouldn't work at all though. Like Khali or Show.. they'd just over shadow Kendrick so much you'd forget all about him.



I think people forgetting Hawkins is what could play in his favor though. You could literally start fresh with anything. It's likely why Ryder is somewhat working with his gimmick right now.. not many people are referring to him as "That one guy who I once thought might've been Edge, but wasn't."



Kennedy's so injury prone these days, as horrible as it is to say.. I couldn't even see them wasting that big of a spot on him.

Personally, I think Kennedy and Miz should've had a feud instead of this Miz/Cena thing. What's the end result of Miz/Cena - duh, an Attitude Adjustment and Miz losing. At most, all Miz is gaining credit for is the same thing Jericho did over a decade ago in W.C.W against Goldberg.. he's racking up pointless "victories" that won't mean anything once Cena finally wins ONE match.. which will ironically be, their first match. (not that exhibition shit, either)


I pointed out The Miz stealing Jericho's WCW Thunder (pun intended) the other day and that's exactly what it is a rehashing of a forgotten WCW storyline. As for Kendrick's partner what about Lance Hoyt. They signed him recently and he is agile for a big man. Vince likes him (I know he does he is a big man) and it could work well.

As for CM Punk's finisher a buzzsaw kick as his finisher when his entire moveset is already kicks is pretty lame to me. But a submission sounds like the way to go. A crossface is out of the question for anyone not named Triple H or Shawn Michaels. How about a a Lasso from El Paso that looks painful as hell. I know I just bashed using a dead guys finisher, but there is so much less controversy with Eddie's death and less people remember the Lasso being connected to Eddie as people do the crossface with Benoit.

I had a great idea to bring Tomko back into the fold. During the inevitable Edge and Christian feud. Have Edge bring him in as his bodyguard. Right around the time Tomko gets signed back and is ready to make his WWE return. It will get on the spoiler sites. Maybe even have Vince himself hint that Tomko will be brought in during the Edge/Christian storyline then swerve the smarks by having him join Edge. What do you think of that ?
 
I had a great idea to bring Tomko back into the fold. During the inevitable Edge and Christian feud. Have Edge bring him in as his bodyguard. Right around the time Tomko gets signed back and is ready to make his WWE return. It will get on the spoiler sites. Maybe even have Vince himself hint that Tomko will be brought in during the Edge/Christian storyline then swerve the smarks by having him join Edge. What do you think of that ?

I really dont think Tomko is a big enough deal to get thrown in with Edge and Christian, if they were to feud. Certainley not as a linchpin to the fued. POSSIBLY if it was coming fresh off his run in TNA, but they guy hasnt been on TV in over a year. I doubt many people would even know him
 
I pointed out The Miz stealing Jericho's WCW Thunder (pun intended) the other day and that's exactly what it is a rehashing of a forgotten WCW storyline.

The difference is, Chris Jericho from W.C.W had the build of someone who could be a Main Event Wrestler. The Miz, does not. The main issue I have with The Miz storyline right now.. is you go from a Tag Team worker, to suddenly "turning on your partner - because you get drafted", then BAM you attack the main face on the show, who is leaps and bounds ahead of you in every category.

It's like saying Shad goes to Smackdown, and J.T.G goes to E.C.W - so Shad instantly lays out the Undertaker and expects a feud that's believable.

My point is, The Miz hasn't beaten anyone to suddenly make people believe he could even lace John Cena's boots. At this point, Miz is Santino-lite, because he's cutting all these nice promos, but once an actual match comes around I wouldn't be surprised to see Miz be "one and done" after Cena basically no-sells him, F-U..err, Attitude Adjustment's him, then that's that.

The ONLY way this works for Miz - is to gain an actual victory over Cena. And the ONLY way this doesn't hurt Cena, is if Big Show is the result of why Miz won a single's match. Miz isn't in Cena's league, and never will be. Regardless of how you push him.

As for Kendrick's partner what about Lance Hoyt. They signed him recently and he is agile for a big man. Vince likes him (I know he does he is a big man) and it could work well.

I never thought of Hoyt, but the only issue there is.. I'm assuming this storyline is leading to Kendrick actually winning the Tag Team Championships with whomever he finally finds that'll remain his partner. Thus, it needs to be someone that won't over-shadow Kendrick - yet someone that isn't dull, or invisible either.

Hoyt made a name for himself in T.N.A, and McMahon may love "bigger" guys, but Hoyt is a weak man's Test.. and further more, once again.. a T.N.A by-product, which means I doubt he'll get a Championship upon debut.

I could be wrong, but not likely unless McMahon suddenly has a soft spot for T.N.A fall-outs.

I'll stick with my *New* Hollywood Blondes theory and see Kendrick pick up Hawkins, Ziggler, or someone else that's blonde. While I believe NorCal will stick with the "Bigger is better" approach and assume he'll find someone similar to Jackson.

As for CM Punk's finisher a buzzsaw kick as his finisher when his entire moveset is already kicks is pretty lame to me.

Tajiri wasn't lame, and his moveset consisted of nothing but kicks. Punk could pull it off, because the one solid bit about his moveset is all his kicks. I'm not saying a buzz-saw kick is the missing link, again I personally like the G.T.S - but I'm saying if he does change it up, a kick seems like the logical way to go, since that's the one bit of his Offense that's already deadly effective.

But a submission sounds like the way to go.

Submission to me, are lame. You have to be a specific type of Superstar to use a submission as a finisher. Technical, would be the term I'm looking for - Punk isn't it.

His Anaconda Vice that he used to use - was the dumbest thing ever, but sadly it was unique and one of a kind as well.

I don't see Punk as the submission expect. I see guy's like Kurt Angle, Taz, and Nigel McGuinness (or was it Bryan Danielson?) as submission experts. Punk is too quick and sudden impact to be the type to slow things down in weardown holds to weaken a body part - which is what you'd need, to use a submission.

A crossface is out of the question for anyone not named Triple H or Shawn Michaels. How about a a Lasso from El Paso that looks painful as hell.

I wouldn't suggest either. The Crossface, be it "forbidden" or "taken" is simply someone else's favorite finisher. Benoit will ALWAYS be remembered for it, and no one - not Triple H, not Shawn Michaels - NO ONE.. will suddenly replace that.. and if the top two big names on Raw can't, then Punk surely couldn't.

I know I just bashed using a dead guys finisher, but there is so much less controversy with Eddie's death and less people remember the Lasso being connected to Eddie as people do the crossface with Benoit.

As for the Lasso from El Paso - it reminds me too much of the Haas of Pain, and what would you rather fans think of.. "Hey, that's Eddie Guerrero's move" (followed by a chorus of boos) or "Isn't that Charlie Haas' finisher?" (followed by a silent hush)

The important factor is finding something ALL YOUR OWN. I despise Edge for using the Sharpshooter, when he had a fucking unique signature submission that was basically a reverse Sharpshooter and honestly better looking.

If Punk is going to pick up a submission finisher.. he needs to go steal one from the Ring of Honor guy's, because they're the only non-mainstream Company (they're trying to get there, but not quite yet) that has a ton of great moves no one's ever seen before.

I had a great idea to bring Tomko back into the fold.

I'm listening...

During the inevitable Edge and Christian feud.

Fail. You assume too fan-boy-ish that there will ever be another Edge v. Christian feud. Yes, it'd be nice to see. Yes, it's likely down the road we might get treated to it.. but assuming when, where, and why is too much at this point.

Both are wrapped up heavily in their own storylines and subjects on entirely different Brands to think they'd ever cross paths within this year, or next. If Tomko is going to debut - my guess is you'd want him to do so.. soon.

Have Edge bring him in as his bodyguard.

So, you want Tomko to return to form of what he left the Company trying to better himself from being? :confused:

Tomko became his own man in T.N.A.. to prove he could, and to get away from storylines that'd put him right back into "bodyguard" roles. And your perfect idea is to lessen him once again? He deserves better.

Right around the time Tomko gets signed back and is ready to make his WWE return. It will get on the spoiler sites. Maybe even have Vince himself hint that Tomko will be brought in during the Edge/Christian storyline then swerve the smarks by having him join Edge. What do you think of that ?

This is WAY too much.. first, McMahon wouldn't lower himself to this type of one-off feud. Second, to announce Tomko's returning all because you're afraid rumor sites will kill his momentum - is even worse. You're only giving into the sites, acknowledging they're there.

As for announcing he'll be in the feud, you wouldn't fool anyone into thinking he'd be with Christian - because he's ALWAYS been with Christian, so it'd make perfect, logical sense, that he'd swerve Christian and join Edge. That's not fooling or tricking anyone.

You wanna great idea on how to bring Tomko into the Edge/Christian feud? Have him play both sides, behind the scenes.. then turn on both of them, to reveal he's HIS OWN MAN! Not only could you get a possible reunion between Edge and Christian for both feeling stupid that Tomko tricked them, but you could get Tomko some serious push into a strong single's career by having him top two of the top guys on E.C.W & Smackdown, respectively right now.
 
So, Will. I liked your allusion to Chris Masters possibly being Kendricks partner. Ive always liked the gemini type tag teams, with a mixture of talents, one being huge guy, one being little guy. I d say its as good as itll get for a use for him...
 
So, Will. I liked your allusion to Chris Masters possibly being Kendricks partner. Ive always liked the gemini type tag teams, with a mixture of talents, one being huge guy, one being little guy. I d say its as good as itll get for a use for him...

Actually, I was just thinking about this.

While I think becoming Kendrick's partner is very realistic.. I'd like to jump a bit outside that realm. (you know, into the world of fairy tales and make-believe)

Again, naturally I couldn't see Masters suddenly becoming Heavyweight Championship material.. but that isn't to say he doesn't have the ability, and semi-build, with talent, to become one.

My major hang-up, as mentioned in that thread, was him being a Luger wannabe. While this isn't helping Masters much.. I was thinking of the original, Ron Simmons/Faarooq "Gladiator" gimmick.. then thought of Brutus Magnus, from T.N.A in the Gladiator attire.

So in conclusion to this.. seeing Masters return as this Gladiator type character, might get him over more. He could use his muscle mass, and power-type abilities.. like he tried with the Masterpiece routine.. but he could add a touch of bad-ass, and ruthlessness to his character. And a Gladiator helmet.

I was thinking of him debuting, looking something like this..

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Only, with a helmet similar to this..

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He could even use the helmet to win matches, by hitting people with it.
 
NorCal, I don't know where you're at.. but I just had another decent thought. I'll credit NateDaMac for it.

Picture this.. Mark Henry, as a face. Being built up against the heels of E.C.W; Swagger, Hart Dynasty, and now apparently Finlay. All in prep to face off in a monster v. monster, mash, against Kozlov!

Henry is a tough as nails S.O.B, but he gets no love. Sure, he's utter shit and for the most part useless. But as a face, who can still be destructive and dominating against heels.. don't you think Henry could be a great opponent for Kozlov, on an E.C.W brand that truly has no opposition for Kozlov to face as it is?

Henry for face; Henry vs. Kozlov - Monster Mash 09. What do you think?
 
As an idea, it's solid. In practice, you'd get some of the dullest matches of the year. I'm going to suppose that Bourne makes Henry seem moderately interesting. I don't actually watch ECW though. Fact of the matter is though, Henry and Koslov are both underwhelming monster heels and neither of them can do standing shooting star presses.

Now get to writing your show!
 
NorCal, I don't know where you're at.. but I just had another decent thought. I'll credit NateDaMac for it.

Picture this.. Mark Henry, as a face. Being built up against the heels of E.C.W; Swagger, Hart Dynasty, and now apparently Finlay. All in prep to face off in a monster v. monster, mash, against Kozlov!

Henry is a tough as nails S.O.B, but he gets no love. Sure, he's utter shit and for the most part useless. But as a face, who can still be destructive and dominating against heels.. don't you think Henry could be a great opponent for Kozlov, on an E.C.W brand that truly has no opposition for Kozlov to face as it is?

Henry for face; Henry vs. Kozlov - Monster Mash 09. What do you think?

Mark Henry should not EVER be face again. not ever. do you remember the "come out and do feats of strength that no one gives a shit about" phase? Is that what you want back? No way. A guy like that shouldnt ever be face. People in generally want to cheer David, not goliath. They want to cheer the underdog. its tough to make the worlds strongest man an underdog.

Now, on to your other idea...


FUCK yea. Matter of fact, I think it would be even better if they were BOTH heel. That way, you can build them both up as unstoppable monsters without hurting the characters. have them have a stand off in the rumble see how the crowd reacts. Then mini feud. Street Fight at NWO.
 
And NorCal, what'd I say huh? Remember my comment of Mark Henry being an aggressive face?? He FUCKED Randy Orton up and got a massive ovation from the crowd. Hell's yeah.. Aggressive Mark Henry FTW!
 
:lmao: I laughed. Yeah, when I read all of what you were saying and the bit about Edge and big time matches.. I thought to myself wait a second, NorCal thought Edge was more intense and pumped in that one Mania 23 entrance than anyone else I know.

I still loved how you went ahead and claimed Hart won the Iron Man match though. LOL That really cracked me up, especially because I'm more than sure there are plenty of idiots out there who'll think its true all because you said it. lol

And NorCal, what'd I say huh? Remember my comment of Mark Henry being an aggressive face?? He FUCKED Randy Orton up and got a massive ovation from the crowd. Hell's yeah.. Aggressive Mark Henry FTW!

Hey now. You didnt say the direction he would go, just him being a face. When you said that, I had in my head, the old holly jolly feats of strength Mark Henry that no one gave a shit about. Not.....fucking monster Mark Henry that people go nuts over. Seriously, during that shit tonight, I was having fuckin Goldberg flashbacks. that shit was nuts.
 
Hey now. You didnt say the direction he would go, just him being a face. When you said that, I had in my head, the old holly jolly feats of strength Mark Henry that no one gave a shit about. Not.....fucking monster Mark Henry that people go nuts over. Seriously, during that shit tonight, I was having fuckin Goldberg flashbacks. that shit was nuts.

pssh.. Goldberg is a fucking pussy. The guy steam-rolled officials and cruiserweights. He defeated maybe about 20 actual contenders for something in the division he was meant to be the King of.

Mark Henry won't ever be Goldberg, mainly because NO ONE could ever get that lucky in getting pushed to the moon for roughly doing nothing but looking like someone famous from the alternative Company.

But I swear, I'd be lying wholeheartedly if I didn't say I cheered like a little boy over watching Mark Henry school and dominate Orton into a pulp. I WANT to see this Henry. Can anyone ever say that sentence? Ever?

Sadly, I bet his first major feud is at Summerslam.. against the Big Show. Mainly because McMahon is likely gonna assume Henry v. Show can sell more than Henry v. anyone else not larger than he is.
 

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