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Why Isn't HHH An Icon?
- Thread starter S.J. Maximus
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He is a Icon. Period. People who don't like HHH won't admit it but he is one of the best wrestlers of all time ! He is definatley up there with the best. U tell me what he hasn't done... He has acheived it all. He is one of the few who has done it all. Thats my he's a Icon in my eyes.
it's probably because when he feuded with Black People at Wrestlemania 19 instead of losing to them and proving racism was wrong he pulled his creative control card and squashed them.
I don't remember Triple H feuding with Black people. I do remember the line "People like you don't main event wrestlemania" or something to that affect. That was a tad riske, but I think he was actually talking about midcarders because Goldust also said "People like us".
As for why Triple H is not an icon. He's not a movie star but he is a wrestling icon.
Triple H referred to Booker's 'nappy hair', about how guys like Booker were just in the business to dance for guys like Triple H (reference to the racist variety shows of the early 20th century), before concluding that guys 'like him' don't belong at the top table
It was a racist promo designed to put cheap heat on their feud heading into Wrestlemania. They had Goldust say that it was about mid carders as means of affording them a get out of jail card so they people could offer up excuses like you just did for that garbage.
And the kicker is that Triple H destroyed Booker at WM and thus proved that 'guys like him' didn't belong at the top table, in the kayfabe sense that is.
That's just one time Triple H pulled his crap at the expense of proper booking decisions. Other wrestlers like Hogan, Hart, HBK and Austin have done this in the past, but when they did it they were the top draw for the company. Triple H has never been the top draw for the company, he was able to do this because he was married to the boss' daughter.
That's why he's not considered in the same league as Austin, Rock etc.
It was a racist promo designed to put cheap heat on their feud heading into Wrestlemania. They had Goldust say that it was about mid carders as means of affording them a get out of jail card so they people could offer up excuses like you just did for that garbage.
And the kicker is that Triple H destroyed Booker at WM and thus proved that 'guys like him' didn't belong at the top table, in the kayfabe sense that is.
That's just one time Triple H pulled his crap at the expense of proper booking decisions. Other wrestlers like Hogan, Hart, HBK and Austin have done this in the past, but when they did it they were the top draw for the company. Triple H has never been the top draw for the company, he was able to do this because he was married to the boss' daughter.
That's why he's not considered in the same league as Austin, Rock etc.
i think he needs that one iconic match to put him over the top hes had some great matches but not that one everybady talks about example rock vs hogan at wrestlemania not a great match from a technical stand point but epic in the emotions it brought out from the crowd austin vs hart a great technical match and the sheer brutality made it epic those guys earned icon status along with foley for his insane stunts love triple h but he needs one last epic match besides against undertaker been there done that maybe triple h vs brock lesnar type match made by vince to teach brock a lesson for turning his back on wwe could work any thoughts
I think a lot of it is he never really did much outside of wrestling like Austin, The Rock, and Foley did. That's probably his own choice he probably sees himself more as a wrestler than an actor, or bookwriter or maybe he just didn't want to at that time. Another thing is he's still pretty much active in WWE. We never really got much time to miss him outside the ring barring the times he's been injured. Even now while he doesn't always wrestle he is still on the show as an on air authority figure.
Skullomania
Dark Match Jobber
Men like Rock and Austin have unlimited charisma. Put a mic in their hands and they make magic. Triple H is sometimes effective and sometimes humorous, but his delivery is often forced, his content redundant, and often forgetable.
As far as his ring work, he's competent, and does well enough in matches with stips and gimmicks, but in his straight-up matches are rarely memorable. To me, unless he works someone who knows how to put emotional content in a match, he's just not dynamic or compelling enough to create a riveting match.
It was an EXTREMELY racist promo. And most despicable is the fact that Booker did not go over after suffereing so many racial insults. During their Mania match, Booker hit Triple H with every move he had in his arsenal, including the Houston Hangover, yet Triple H still beat him clean in the center of the ring about 10 to 15 seconds after hitting a Pedigree on Booker. Despicable.
As far as his ring work, he's competent, and does well enough in matches with stips and gimmicks, but in his straight-up matches are rarely memorable. To me, unless he works someone who knows how to put emotional content in a match, he's just not dynamic or compelling enough to create a riveting match.
Triple H referred to Booker's 'nappy hair', about how guys like Booker were just in the business to dance for guys like Triple H (reference to the racist variety shows of the early 20th century), before concluding that guys 'like him' don't belong at the top table
It was a racist promo designed to put cheap heat on their feud heading into Wrestlemania. They had Goldust say that it was about mid carders as means of affording them a get out of jail card so they people could offer up excuses like you just did for that garbage.
And the kicker is that Triple H destroyed Booker at WM and thus proved that 'guys like him' didn't belong at the top table, in the kayfabe sense that is.
That's just one time Triple H pulled his crap at the expense of proper booking decisions. Other wrestlers like Hogan, Hart, HBK and Austin have done this in the past, but when they did it they were the top draw for the company. Triple H has never been the top draw for the company, he was able to do this because he was married to the boss' daughter.
That's why he's not considered in the same league as Austin, Rock etc.
It was an EXTREMELY racist promo. And most despicable is the fact that Booker did not go over after suffereing so many racial insults. During their Mania match, Booker hit Triple H with every move he had in his arsenal, including the Houston Hangover, yet Triple H still beat him clean in the center of the ring about 10 to 15 seconds after hitting a Pedigree on Booker. Despicable.
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Pre-Show Stalwart
HHH is just for me an good wrestler but not an icon like Bret or Austin,maybe his style is so brutal and not technical.
jacdnwarrior
Championship Contender
Icon is a term that gets thrown around a lot. Some people deserve it more than others. I think Triple H has made a significant contribution to WWE and wrestling. The problem with calling him iconic is an icon to me is someone who sets himself apart from others in ways that hasn't been done before and/or as well.
Here's who I consider Iconic in wrestling:
Andre - largest athlete and a person who helped wrestling reach mainstream status, was a huge attraction everywhere he performed
Hogan - biggest star in the eighties and carried wrestling (with Andre doing the favour) to heights it never saw before. The business hit the mainstream with him leading the charge.
Rick Flair - Not as well known outside of wrestling, but his ability on the mike and be the closest to being an all around great entertainer. He and the Horsemen were the first faction ( if not one of the
first) and many imitated his style on the mike and in terms of image.
Randy Savage - first of the smaller wrestlers to use aerial maneuvers and old school ringwork. A true innovator in the sport, industry.
Steve Austin - the anti hero. The blue collar worker who thumbed his nose to authority and carried the WWE in the attitude era. He was the leader into the WWE's second golden era.
Mick Foley - like Austin, a blue collar worker who sacrificed his body doing some unbelievably crazy bumps who didn't have the conventional look (body builder physique)
The Rock - Not the first person of colour but the most successful of any in the business' history. Contributed greatly to WWE second golden era.
Bret Hart - Not the greatest draw, (Triple H drew more) but he was the one who carried the WWE after Hogan left. He greatly helped Austin's transition from heel to anti hero and helped create the era
of smaller performers who could work vs. the superhero figures who couldn't. He opened the door for performers who had the great in ring ability but not weren't as flamboyant as other
performers.
Miss Elizabeth - one of the first female managers. She opened doors for many who women who followed in her footsteps. Her interaction with Randy Savage helped to make him the hated heel or the
beloved hero.
Sting - Clearly one of the most successful performers of his time and some one who carried WCW. One of the consistent performers to create a great career for himself and never to have worked
with WWF/ WWE
HBK - Not my faourite, I must admit and while he wasn't a huge draw, his ability to use the acrobatics ( he wasn't the only or the first) in his matches made him one of the most
amazing athletes ever to wrestle.
Those are just to name a few. Now comparing Triple to those figures, you notice a number of things about him and the problems one has calling him an icon.
1. Triple H wasn't the greatest in the ring, or on the mike. His character isn't so unique that we haven't seen those characteristics before. He's good but his ability in either aspect doesn't set him apart
from any one else. He wasn't unique in terms of his look and he didn't open doors for those who different. Add to that he wasn't the greatest of draws, so you can't call him that.
2. He didn't carry an era, he was a person who contributed to that era. Hogan carried his era. Bret Hart carried the era after Hogan left. Austin carried the following era, John Cena can really be viewed
as the most consistent performer after Austin and Rock left.
3. Politics. He is a talented performer, and he more than likely would have been main event if he hadn't been so close to Vince or married into the McMahon family, but it has assisted his career. To say
otherwise is bullshit. It doesn't mean he isn't good. It just means it has been of great benefit to his career.
Here's who I consider Iconic in wrestling:
Andre - largest athlete and a person who helped wrestling reach mainstream status, was a huge attraction everywhere he performed
Hogan - biggest star in the eighties and carried wrestling (with Andre doing the favour) to heights it never saw before. The business hit the mainstream with him leading the charge.
Rick Flair - Not as well known outside of wrestling, but his ability on the mike and be the closest to being an all around great entertainer. He and the Horsemen were the first faction ( if not one of the
first) and many imitated his style on the mike and in terms of image.
Randy Savage - first of the smaller wrestlers to use aerial maneuvers and old school ringwork. A true innovator in the sport, industry.
Steve Austin - the anti hero. The blue collar worker who thumbed his nose to authority and carried the WWE in the attitude era. He was the leader into the WWE's second golden era.
Mick Foley - like Austin, a blue collar worker who sacrificed his body doing some unbelievably crazy bumps who didn't have the conventional look (body builder physique)
The Rock - Not the first person of colour but the most successful of any in the business' history. Contributed greatly to WWE second golden era.
Bret Hart - Not the greatest draw, (Triple H drew more) but he was the one who carried the WWE after Hogan left. He greatly helped Austin's transition from heel to anti hero and helped create the era
of smaller performers who could work vs. the superhero figures who couldn't. He opened the door for performers who had the great in ring ability but not weren't as flamboyant as other
performers.
Miss Elizabeth - one of the first female managers. She opened doors for many who women who followed in her footsteps. Her interaction with Randy Savage helped to make him the hated heel or the
beloved hero.
Sting - Clearly one of the most successful performers of his time and some one who carried WCW. One of the consistent performers to create a great career for himself and never to have worked
with WWF/ WWE
HBK - Not my faourite, I must admit and while he wasn't a huge draw, his ability to use the acrobatics ( he wasn't the only or the first) in his matches made him one of the most
amazing athletes ever to wrestle.
Those are just to name a few. Now comparing Triple to those figures, you notice a number of things about him and the problems one has calling him an icon.
1. Triple H wasn't the greatest in the ring, or on the mike. His character isn't so unique that we haven't seen those characteristics before. He's good but his ability in either aspect doesn't set him apart
from any one else. He wasn't unique in terms of his look and he didn't open doors for those who different. Add to that he wasn't the greatest of draws, so you can't call him that.
2. He didn't carry an era, he was a person who contributed to that era. Hogan carried his era. Bret Hart carried the era after Hogan left. Austin carried the following era, John Cena can really be viewed
as the most consistent performer after Austin and Rock left.
3. Politics. He is a talented performer, and he more than likely would have been main event if he hadn't been so close to Vince or married into the McMahon family, but it has assisted his career. To say
otherwise is bullshit. It doesn't mean he isn't good. It just means it has been of great benefit to his career.
QuoteTheRaven
Dark Match Jobber
Point blank period...Triple H was never top draw in WWE, he has always been that guy who fights with the top drawing stars.
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Royal Rumble Winner
Jim Cornette probably said it best. HHH is best as the guy working with the stars, not as the star. If you think about it, it's true. HHH is very VERY good. However, he's not in the upper level of draws, that's why he's not more of a pop icon.
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