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Why I WILL be voting for D Double...
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No he wasn't, or at least, if he was then he is woefully inarticulate. The quote a posted was a direct response to something Tasty said, the second half was directly referencing an accusation he levelled at Tasty earlier in the same post.
He called Tasty a liar, and that's not on.
Don't forget this gem:
And that's the guy who's taking the high rode? Lulz.
He knows enough about how a mod should behave to use Tasty's post as an example of how a mod SHOULDN'T behave. As if he's in any position to make that assertion about Tasty, one of the classiest guys on the forum.
And that's the guy who's taking the high rode? Lulz.
Smooth Sexual Chocolate
Grapefruits of Wrath
What's this myth about people not liking trolls? I trolled my way through most of the NXT competition, JGlass trolls harder than most when he so desires; and as mentioned before, Sly's ability reaches legendary status.
I'd say trolling is practically a required learning before becoming a staff member, there's not one guy in the boardroom who couldn't work over this whole forum on the drop of a dime.
I'd say trolling is practically a required learning before becoming a staff member, there's not one guy in the boardroom who couldn't work over this whole forum on the drop of a dime.
Serious Mozzarella
Special Victims Unit
I'm more interested in why he called him "D Double" when there's a perfect opportunity for "Double D"
Because Dagger has tits.
Because he's a woman
Because Dagger has tits.
Because he's a woman
DirtyJosé
Best angle of all: retirement
A few things:
1: People are taking this way too personally.
Lulz. Just as funny as the idiot who claimed that this has become some people mission in life or something. Good stuff. Like I've never seen an argument on the internet end with the losing party accusing the better man of simply having no life or of taking things too seriously.
2: Coco will get modded anyway, so vote Dagger.
This is absurd. Whatever guy in your private forums is telling you to forward this talking point needs to be drawn and quartered. Yes, yes, let's just go out there and admit that without this election our guy stands no chance of ever being mod, and we should bank on people being sympathetic to that.
3: Flame wars
Snakey baby, I'm sorry, but you are being an idiot about this. I get that maybe you don't hang around those parts much often on account of being called out as a twat, but these frequent "flame wars" you talk about just don't happen. Having been a member for a little while now, I can safely say that the spam zones don't see half the flame threads that it used to back in the days of Jenks and Furyof5. This is a big talking point of Dagger's too, and it's just flat out inaccurate. Don't worry, though; I won't tell anyone that the supposed nice guy is willing to exaggerate and lie about forum events to spin things in his favor. At least, not yet.
4: Dagger, the nice guy
So Monkey makes two posts in one thread about Dagger, and he blows up over it. You guys claim it was also over Monkey saying the same thing SIX MONTHS PRIOR, and you expect us to see that as somehow a good thing? Like, I'm supposed to be impressed that he held on to his butt hurt over half a year before blowing up about it?
And then there's the Tasty thing. Sorry, but I'm much more inclined to believe the words of someone like Tasty over Dagger. Especially when I read Dagger exaggerating other situations to suit his needs.
5: Accountability
Oh, here comes the big one.
In my life, both online and in person, I have come to know a handful of people who always have the same stories.
"My crazy boss fucked me over..."
"S/He had it out for me..."
"They're just always in my way because they hate me..."
Coincidentally, these comments always seem to come from people who have difficulty holding down jobs. You will never hear them talk about lessons they learned from a job and what they could have done better. You will never hear them talk about the ways they've improved themselves since then. You will ONLY ever hear them moan about how it wasn't their fault, and that it was someone else out to get them.
I see people like this and it's hard for me to have much respect for them. Having been an employee and an employer and manager in the many jobs I've held, I can say that there really aren't "crazy bosses out to fuck you over" out there as often as people will cry about them. What there are is incompetent bosses, sure. And lazy ones...ok, I'll buy that. But you know when a manager has decided they don't like you...when they start to focus on you alone? It's not because they are evil and are just out to fuck you over at random. It's usually because of you. It's because you are lazy, lackadaisical, and slow. Or maybe it's because you have an attitude problem, whether you know it or not.
Dagger is another person like this; he won't take much responsibility for his actions. It's always someone else's fault. That is not the type of person I want to vote for.
1: People are taking this way too personally.
Lulz. Just as funny as the idiot who claimed that this has become some people mission in life or something. Good stuff. Like I've never seen an argument on the internet end with the losing party accusing the better man of simply having no life or of taking things too seriously.
2: Coco will get modded anyway, so vote Dagger.
This is absurd. Whatever guy in your private forums is telling you to forward this talking point needs to be drawn and quartered. Yes, yes, let's just go out there and admit that without this election our guy stands no chance of ever being mod, and we should bank on people being sympathetic to that.
3: Flame wars
Snakey baby, I'm sorry, but you are being an idiot about this. I get that maybe you don't hang around those parts much often on account of being called out as a twat, but these frequent "flame wars" you talk about just don't happen. Having been a member for a little while now, I can safely say that the spam zones don't see half the flame threads that it used to back in the days of Jenks and Furyof5. This is a big talking point of Dagger's too, and it's just flat out inaccurate. Don't worry, though; I won't tell anyone that the supposed nice guy is willing to exaggerate and lie about forum events to spin things in his favor. At least, not yet.
4: Dagger, the nice guy
So Monkey makes two posts in one thread about Dagger, and he blows up over it. You guys claim it was also over Monkey saying the same thing SIX MONTHS PRIOR, and you expect us to see that as somehow a good thing? Like, I'm supposed to be impressed that he held on to his butt hurt over half a year before blowing up about it?
And then there's the Tasty thing. Sorry, but I'm much more inclined to believe the words of someone like Tasty over Dagger. Especially when I read Dagger exaggerating other situations to suit his needs.
5: Accountability
Oh, here comes the big one.
In my life, both online and in person, I have come to know a handful of people who always have the same stories.
"My crazy boss fucked me over..."
"S/He had it out for me..."
"They're just always in my way because they hate me..."
Coincidentally, these comments always seem to come from people who have difficulty holding down jobs. You will never hear them talk about lessons they learned from a job and what they could have done better. You will never hear them talk about the ways they've improved themselves since then. You will ONLY ever hear them moan about how it wasn't their fault, and that it was someone else out to get them.
I see people like this and it's hard for me to have much respect for them. Having been an employee and an employer and manager in the many jobs I've held, I can say that there really aren't "crazy bosses out to fuck you over" out there as often as people will cry about them. What there are is incompetent bosses, sure. And lazy ones...ok, I'll buy that. But you know when a manager has decided they don't like you...when they start to focus on you alone? It's not because they are evil and are just out to fuck you over at random. It's usually because of you. It's because you are lazy, lackadaisical, and slow. Or maybe it's because you have an attitude problem, whether you know it or not.
Dagger is another person like this; he won't take much responsibility for his actions. It's always someone else's fault. That is not the type of person I want to vote for.
FitFinlay4Life
What's the craic?
Damn sleep and work! I've responded to everyone that I feel was addressing myself, unless they have already been covered by a fellow supporter. Thanks for all the considered responses, it been enjoyable to engage with y'all
I have seen this highlighted many times but I am unaware of anyone illustrating any real record of him having a noted history of unfavorable reaction to things not of his own creation (ie people disagreeing with his opinions). Would God have taken it well if Budda, Zeus and Odin had laughed at man ("
What's that useless piece of flesh meant to do? ") or would a parent react well to laughter at their offspring?
WrestleZone isn't his creation so what would he have to take as an attack of something that is his?
About as big a coincidence of those detractors being friends and supporters of Coco.
Thanks, Doc and you make a compelling argument. However, you answer your own question. Asides from his own formidable ability to lobby for the post, he is supported by current mods. Unless there is something that I am not aware of with the G-Mods, he should have absolutely getting the position, which would mean that the voters would be performing a job that is unnecessary.
The WWe is, by far, the biggest section (four sub-sections) and receives the largest amount of non-spam traffic. Nick and Nate have seniority, so in a team game, I'd give one of them the option of joining my old buddy Jack as a discussion driver. Dagger would then take his place under the wing of the member who remains in clean up and learns the ropes.
Ah, the impulsive nature of youth. Asides from the fact that Dias supporters have posted regularly in the anti-Dagger thread, I was waiting until I saw some criticisms before performing a positive rebuttal thread.
Of course Coco is qualified to be spam mod, he ticks all the boxes in Sly's first paragraph but, as this also indicates, he doesn't require this election to attain this position. The ABC was straightforward in dedicating itself to electing a non-spam mod and the bolded part shows why we are fully supported in the spirit of this exercise to want someone who doesn't tick the previous paragraph's boxes. My idea of this election is to elect the underdog, the guy who mightn't otherwise be considered for quite some time but that the members of the forum do believe deserves that chance. Dagger aced our party, so he is our embodiment of this ideal.
I believe I have addressed your first paragraph in reply to Mr Gelgarin, sir but if you do not believe so, I'd be more than happy to clarify.
In response to the "forward thinking", first and foremost (and we have had this called into question) we wanted to place forward a less established but quality candidate. We also didn't narrow our vision as a party, we didn't say "You can't be in our party, we're not interested in the Video Game section". We simply wanted non-spam candidates (another party was already championing this cause quite well). As I stated in my original post, I brow beat JWG into putting his name forward and I also asked Notorious as I felt both these guys are relatively new and could bring a younger eye to the forum. Dagger won through the elections, so it is his responsibility to carry forward this ideal. I'm not suggesting anarchy in the WZ, just that someone outside of the guys with the biggest reps might, just might, bring in new ideas that could be to the benefit to our little piece of the IWC.
I'm not ignoring your post J, but LSN has addressed it. I do apologize for the typo, just put it down to my advanced years.
If a party has a mandate that they all believe in, is it not weak willed to bail the first time something doesn't go your way? "Oh no, I didn't get Habs through! Sod this, I'm going to join DFP!" Yup, I'd feel really good about myself wouldn't you, or is jumping ship a quality in your world?
Where did I say "He appears to be learning"? You really shouldn't use quote marks when you are not quoting. However, when he is accused of being incapable of learning and there is evidence to the contrary, should the accusation not be debunked? No matter who wins this election, they will have to 'learn' to be mods - that makes learning a valid skill, yes?
Erm, think my main point was that Coco does not require to win to become spam mod and, as such, does not need this election. Once again, you join the list of detractors providing evidence to support this claim. As for Dagger's quality, Coco provided an average post to show his lack of quality. Is everyone of your posts A* quality, is anybodies (well, maybe Sly's
)?
He reacted to a personal creation being criticized. He hasn't, however, been attacked for reacting bad to any other circumstance. One swallow does not a Summer make.
Expound, please?
Thought I'd avoid someone embarrassing themselves by making obvious sexual innuendos or hermaphrodite slurs, guess you don't blush easy.
Example of classy use of the pun, didn't need to make an obvious personal attack. Instead, uses history to create a subtle insinuation that the candidate is doomed. Not the case, but still very classy.
I have seen this highlighted many times but I am unaware of anyone illustrating any real record of him having a noted history of unfavorable reaction to things not of his own creation (ie people disagreeing with his opinions). Would God have taken it well if Budda, Zeus and Odin had laughed at man ("
What's that useless piece of flesh meant to do? ") or would a parent react well to laughter at their offspring? WrestleZone isn't his creation so what would he have to take as an attack of something that is his?
About as big a coincidence of those detractors being friends and supporters of Coco.
Thanks, Doc and you make a compelling argument. However, you answer your own question. Asides from his own formidable ability to lobby for the post, he is supported by current mods. Unless there is something that I am not aware of with the G-Mods, he should have absolutely getting the position, which would mean that the voters would be performing a job that is unnecessary.
The WWe is, by far, the biggest section (four sub-sections) and receives the largest amount of non-spam traffic. Nick and Nate have seniority, so in a team game, I'd give one of them the option of joining my old buddy Jack as a discussion driver. Dagger would then take his place under the wing of the member who remains in clean up and learns the ropes.
Ah, the impulsive nature of youth. Asides from the fact that Dias supporters have posted regularly in the anti-Dagger thread, I was waiting until I saw some criticisms before performing a positive rebuttal thread.
Of course Coco is qualified to be spam mod, he ticks all the boxes in Sly's first paragraph but, as this also indicates, he doesn't require this election to attain this position. The ABC was straightforward in dedicating itself to electing a non-spam mod and the bolded part shows why we are fully supported in the spirit of this exercise to want someone who doesn't tick the previous paragraph's boxes. My idea of this election is to elect the underdog, the guy who mightn't otherwise be considered for quite some time but that the members of the forum do believe deserves that chance. Dagger aced our party, so he is our embodiment of this ideal.
I believe I have addressed your first paragraph in reply to Mr Gelgarin, sir but if you do not believe so, I'd be more than happy to clarify.
In response to the "forward thinking", first and foremost (and we have had this called into question) we wanted to place forward a less established but quality candidate. We also didn't narrow our vision as a party, we didn't say "You can't be in our party, we're not interested in the Video Game section". We simply wanted non-spam candidates (another party was already championing this cause quite well). As I stated in my original post, I brow beat JWG into putting his name forward and I also asked Notorious as I felt both these guys are relatively new and could bring a younger eye to the forum. Dagger won through the elections, so it is his responsibility to carry forward this ideal. I'm not suggesting anarchy in the WZ, just that someone outside of the guys with the biggest reps might, just might, bring in new ideas that could be to the benefit to our little piece of the IWC.
I'm not ignoring your post J, but LSN has addressed it. I do apologize for the typo, just put it down to my advanced years.
If a party has a mandate that they all believe in, is it not weak willed to bail the first time something doesn't go your way? "Oh no, I didn't get Habs through! Sod this, I'm going to join DFP!" Yup, I'd feel really good about myself wouldn't you, or is jumping ship a quality in your world?
Where did I say "He appears to be learning"? You really shouldn't use quote marks when you are not quoting. However, when he is accused of being incapable of learning and there is evidence to the contrary, should the accusation not be debunked? No matter who wins this election, they will have to 'learn' to be mods - that makes learning a valid skill, yes?
Erm, think my main point was that Coco does not require to win to become spam mod and, as such, does not need this election. Once again, you join the list of detractors providing evidence to support this claim. As for Dagger's quality, Coco provided an average post to show his lack of quality. Is everyone of your posts A* quality, is anybodies (well, maybe Sly's
)?He reacted to a personal creation being criticized. He hasn't, however, been attacked for reacting bad to any other circumstance. One swallow does not a Summer make.
Expound, please?
Tommy "Two-Times" Mozzarella;3627909 said:
Thought I'd avoid someone embarrassing themselves by making obvious sexual innuendos or hermaphrodite slurs, guess you don't blush easy.
Example of classy use of the pun, didn't need to make an obvious personal attack. Instead, uses history to create a subtle insinuation that the candidate is doomed. Not the case, but still very classy.
Hyorinmaru
Sit Upon The Frozen Heavens
Hey now I can't fucking stand Coco and hope he loses too
FitFinlay4Life
What's the craic?
I'll turn you all, one by one, with my soothing tones...
You're either missing or evading the point. Why are the posters with the most experience and respect on the forums supporting Coco - or, more accurately, not supporting Dagger?
Sounds like you're refining Dagger's position on the fly to fit your argument because Dagger's actual intention of driving discussion has been exposed as severely flawed considering he isn't capable of that. You're living in a fantasy land.
See, this IS a rebuttal thread. Now where are the actual reasons I should vote FOR Dagger.
Dagger's an idiot who never has a chance of becoming mod through conventional means. You've essential said that your entire party holds the ideal that electing someone of that ilk is a good thing. I think that answers any questions people had about Dagger making a mockery of the process.
So this isn't about Dagger being good enough for the spot, this is a vote of protest against the evil establishment. Nice to know you're in this for the right reasons.
This isn't about mindless flag-waving or loyalty. A party isn't getting elected. A mod is. Dagger won't make for a good mod as much as the ABC is obsessed with victory at the expense of the good of the forum.
None of Dagger's posts ever creep above a C-. My posts don't have to be consistently in the A+ range to top Dagger.Erm, think my main point was that Coco does not require to win to become spam mod and, as such, does not need this election. Once again, you join the list of detractors providing evidence to support this claim. As for Dagger's quality, Coco provided an average post to show his lack of quality. Is everyone of your posts A* quality, is anybodies (well, maybe Sly's
Also, "Coco deserves it the most" is still a terrible argument. But please do continue saying it as I love hearing nice things about myself.
That's a request, not a question.
Looks like more of the same from the ABC Party. Everyone who doesn't jump off that ship at this point is really showing what they're made of intellectually.
These posters with the most experience and respect on the forums were supporting Coco regardless of his opponent. I'm quite sure if KJ or myself had advanced, they would have supported Coco over us too. Hell, long before we identified our candidate, when there were numerous other options, many of whom are also experienced and respected, these guys were backing Coco. And that's perfectly fine, their prerogative. The fact that these experienced and respected posters back Coco doesn't automatically mean they're correct, it simply reflects their opinions. And as a classy guy like Tastycles suggested, his opinion does not nor should not count for any more than anyone else.
But if we want to go down this road, there are plenty of well respected and experienced guys in the ABC Party. Mustang Sally. Jack-Hammer. LSN. Falkon. Mitch Henessey. Big Sexy. Shattered Dreams. Theo. And many many more. The suggestion that Coco is supported by the only guys that matter around here, and the only supporters of the ABC Party are nameless nobodies, is wrong on all accounts.
That's enough of that. I commend my crew for having good judgement high enough standards to jump on the only ship they knew was worth riding to the Board Room. Look at you ABC Party guys: Waxing on about loyalty. From day one, you knew you'd open your legs for whoever won your party's nomination. And there were a lot of candidates in the running. But you guys are so easy that you'd slob any of their knobs. Pretty promiscuous stuff. It makes my skin crawl to imagine your mother setting that example for you.
Little Jerry Lawler
Sigmund Freud On Ritalin And Roids
I forgot I was a part of the ABC Party.
Is this election about victory for a party or getting a good mod for the forums? I don't see ships in this thing, I see candidates who would be better or worse for these forums.
If you vote for him because he would've voted for you if you won the primaries, isn't your vote about selfish status enhancement and not about what's best for WZ's quality then?
Well, you wrote:
Wouldn't it be better if we could be sure of this quality? The other candidates appear to be much more cool-headed. This is more of a one-way road - either you stay calm or you prove (or at least suggest) to be a hothead, which Dagger did. It's a character trait and not likely to go away with time.
Do we know if the winner learns to be a good mod? We can't be sure, but that goes for either candidate. I don't see where Dagger showed a superior learning ability compared to Crock or Coco. But you already stated that Coco is a good candidate and Dagger may not have a chance after the election. Well, if he's out of question, maybe there are reasons for it?
I for one will be voting for who I think would make the best mod, and that's Coco.
Well form what I've seen form this Dagger dude, I can say that he is probably not a good one for Wrestling mod, as most of his wrestling posts are long and boring, and from reading the debates I can tell that his plans for the section isn't gonna turn into anything worthy.
The other two strike me as a type of poster that I do not exactly care for. I mean I'm not an active member at all and I usually only read what other people have to say (write) ,And If I'm not making a mistake these two guys sometimes fill threads with a lot of personal stuff which doesn't interest me because I see this forum as somewhat of a public place, not some place to buddy up and chitchat, so I don't want them as a mod too.
But If had to choose one, I'd go with Coco, as he will be in a section that a mod won't mean shit.
The other two strike me as a type of poster that I do not exactly care for. I mean I'm not an active member at all and I usually only read what other people have to say (write) ,And If I'm not making a mistake these two guys sometimes fill threads with a lot of personal stuff which doesn't interest me because I see this forum as somewhat of a public place, not some place to buddy up and chitchat, so I don't want them as a mod too.
But If had to choose one, I'd go with Coco, as he will be in a section that a mod won't mean shit.
FitFinlay4Life
What's the craic?
Refined what? Doc asked me how I would use DD, I come from a generation that respected their superiors and strove to learn from them. Mayhaps you think I should have said that he should walk straight in as head of the section?
Nope, but if I hadn't addressed the issues that JGlass's thread was raising, I'd have been called on that.
So you don't respect any of my party? Fair enough, say what you will but we operated an open honest and democratic election, were there was doubt as to who would win through and a number of viable candidates. Rather than a party and ethos built around one guy.
Hmmm, stop reading between the lines - I may be a white man but I sure don't speak with forked tongue. I respect the establishment here and I have went on the record on many occasions to that effect. Is it sacrilege to suggest that a newbie might have good ideas? Dagger won a contested election in the largest party of this election, I'd say he has the ability.
So every member of the DFP isn't voting Coco?
Please! Yes, a mod is being elected and as much as you like to play Nostradamus, you cannot state he will not be a good mod.Your opinion, my main experience with Dias was in the Superhero Tournament were my love of Marvel collided with his love of computer game characters. His posts were uniformly excellent, well informed and (whisper it) calm - despite my dogged insistence that he was wrong and my character would win.
I've no issue saying you are deserving of being spam mod. I don't think you deserve to win this election. I'll say it again: with your backers, you'd have no problem getting the post anyway which makes the election mute asides from a possible ego buffing exercise. Plus, your party and supporters have ran a very dirty campaign were your name doesn't get mentioned at all in many threads by BFPers and they exist just to slander and that even predates Dagger's election.
Damn it! C- for me, then.
Sterner stuff than your smear campaign can affect?
Your right, every single member of the DFP wanting to ******e (using your analogy) is a much better example. Please don't bring my mum into it because we both know you have me at a disadvantage, it's impossible for me to insult a lady that neither of us know.
If a party has strong foundations and has great supporters like LSN, Sally and Mitch (to name three), why is supporting the candidate who fairly earns the right to represent us selfish status enhancement - surely that would be more the case if you created a party in your own image?
Outside of the infamous 'game' thread, I still haven't seen any evidence of this being a character trait. Please provide me with the trail of all his ranting and raving.
Actually, I think he would make a good mod but I don't think he makes a good candidate. Two different things. Coco is actually a terrible candidate because he would have been a mod in waiting without the election and the idea behind this election is to chose someone who the Board might not have considered AT THIS MOMENT (for all of the guys who keep misinterpreting what I'm saying as DD would never become a mod if he lost this election).
Feel free, nice to see that he's getting some love from the demographic his party went out of their way to insult
!Brilliant, another guy from the apparent 'ABC cast' who is voting DFP... maybe Dagger forgot to rep them to get them onside
Don't worry, we haven't forgotten you prodigal. Come back to the fold, Little Black Sheep - the fatted calf is prepped and primed!
Besides the game thread there was that ****** thing, a lot of reporting of posts that weren't against the rules (I guess personal dislike was the reason, or misunderstanding of the rules which wouldn't be better) and generally getting too worked up over critique (not going to search trough 5,000 posts now). I have no personal problem with him. But I can just judge from what I've seen and I have the impression that certain things get too much under his skin, especially compared to the other candidates.
What do you mean?Feel free, nice to see that he's getting some love from the demographic his party went out of their way to insult
FitFinlay4Life
What's the craic?
What is the '****** thing'? I've seen Coco's sig but there is no context, I would be interested inreading the thread if you can provide a link. As for the reporting argument, he has addressed this and the background. It seems a, more than, adequate explanation and I haven't witnessed any of the mods namechecked calling "BS!"
Coco's feelings about new posters (from his election debate response; he's much less subtle in JGlass's thread):
I'm going from memory so don't expect accurate quotations, but with regards to the '******' thing; Dagger made a rather controversial posts where he stated that, in his eyes, those males who raise homosexual children have failed as parents and as men. He stated that he believes homosexuality to be a lifestyle choice, and one that he would not tolerate in his house.
In other words the all round nice guy is openly homophobic.
I don't have the link on hand, but it's there in Coco's sig if you feel compelled to check it out.
In other words the all round nice guy is openly homophobic.
I don't have the link on hand, but it's there in Coco's sig if you feel compelled to check it out.
How is that any more homophobic than Coco and others making jokes about Dagger sucking dick, calling him a f**gger, or any of that? it is entirely hypocritical to attack Dagger as being homophobic all the while using gay slurs and insinuating that Dagger takes things up the ass, etc. Pot, say hello to the fucking kettle.
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