Why hasn't Kane had a legitimate world title run?

[PrimoEco]

Well I hate to say this, but Kane has been getting sloppy in the ring as of late. I think his time for a huge title run has already been squandered away in the past. It's hard to imagine the show without him. But the writers need to do something with him. How can you reinvent Kane? Put the mask back on him? Worked for Mysterio. But would it work for Kane? Doubtful. How many times can Kane and Undertaker team together? Kane needs to improve because he's slipping. If he doesnt step up his game, then why should he get a title run?

 

[ACTAFOOL]

i think he should, the guy has done a lot for the company and deserves a title run, sure nowadays he cant do much, but seeing the talents on SD! as of late, he could easily be champ for a couple of months, since the only other 2 competitiors (batista and khali) suck wayy more than kane...

and kane has had many great matches... how can some1 say his inferno match with taker was ok? i dont know but IMO it was great... his harcore match with big show and raven was very good too IMO, his HIAC with mankind, his last man standing with shane... and the other matches mentioned...

i think even though today he cant do much except fly off the top rope, its still better than seeing khali and batista, + like i said b4... he deserves it, and now with the lack of talent on SD! he should get a good run until taker or edge comes back...

 

[TheTruNoLimit]

Yes, because the other two are actually over as credible main-eventers, and Batista, at least, is a good draw. Khali has good drawing potential. Kane is not over and has never been a draw. Ever.

Since when? Where is your proof of Kane's supposed drawing power?

Batista only drew heel heat against the Undertaker. That was the only time. Otherwise, he came out to good pops. Khali is an intimidating badass, whose job is not to do 5 different variations of a wristlock, but to pound the everliving fuck out of you.

Both of them are more credible, and deserving, than Kane.

Proof is in the ratings. 2003 Kane was the ratings machine for WWE. Ratings were in the crapper after Wrestlemania 19, they decide to push Kane, did the unmasking angle, ratings went way up, from the mid 3's to low 4's. Kane's segments were the higest rated segments and had the most viewers all Summer and all the way through his fued with Shane.

Kane also drew a 5.0 for his wedding angle with Lita in their slot. Can't argue with statistics. WWE has proof that if they push Kane, he can get them ratings, much better ratings than the Great Khali.

Plus, for those of you that watched the Great American Bash, fans were decidedly behind Kane, yes the guy is over. Khali doesn't get heel heat, he gets heat because WWE fans just don't want to see him pushed, it's just a dislike for him getting pushed and really has nothing to do with him.

 

[Moon Knight]

Proof is in the ratings. 2003 Kane was the ratings machine for WWE. Ratings were in the crapper after Wrestlemania 19, they decide to push Kane, did the unmasking angle, ratings went way up, from the mid 3's to low 4's. Kane's segments were the higest rated segments and had the most viewers all Summer and all the way through his fued with Shane.

Kane also drew a 5.0 for his wedding angle with Lita in their slot. Can't argue with statistics. WWE has proof that if they push Kane, he can get them ratings, much better ratings than the Great Khali.

If your numbers are right, you got him. Kane has always been mega over with the fans, proof is in taboo tuesday a few years ago when it was him show and HBK. All 3 were up for vote on a title shot and Kane got 38% of the vote only 8% behind HBK and 22 above show...Yeah...The fans don't like Kane at all....yep. The WWE was shocked and had to bury Kane to prevent him from winning.

Kane has always been a very unique and entertaining man and has millions of fans and in his prime was just as good in the ring if not better than the undertaker, the WWE held Kane back for reasons I am not sure of. If pushed right he would have been bigger than the undertaker.

Should he got a title now? HELL YES! Nobody deserves it more than Kane does! His in ring skills have gone down a bit, but he is still better than Craptista and the not so great khali, and the age difference isn't big, he is only 2 years older than craptista and his twice as entertaining. If a boring piece of crap like Craptista and a piece of wood with no skills on any level in Khali can have a run, why not kane? He is still lightyears ahead of those 2. Name 1 good Craptista or Khali match?....Thats right, their are none.

 

[Razz]

Plus, for those of you that watched the Great American Bash, fans were decidedly behind Kane, yes the guy is over. Khali doesn't get heel heat, he gets heat because WWE fans just don't want to see him pushed, it's just a dislike for him getting pushed and really has nothing to do with him.

Couldn't have said it better. Kane is not as over any more because for some reason they kept pushing him down the card and soon fans were not as excited about him. Kane was hugely over many times in the WWF(E): Remember the time he teamed up with Hogan and Rock, he got just as much pop. Royal rumble 2001 he went on a rampage eliminated so many wrestlers and looked good. Then when he teamed up with Taker again it was huge. The angle leading to his unmasking was huge. After the unmasking..It was interesting in the starting when he was doing sick things like putting JR on fire and electrocuting Shane.. then it went sort of down hill..

 

[Slyfox696]

Proof is in the ratings. 2003 Kane was the ratings machine for WWE. Ratings were in the crapper after Wrestlemania 19, they decide to push Kane, did the unmasking angle, ratings went way up, from the mid 3's to low 4's. Kane's segments were the higest rated segments and had the most viewers all Summer and all the way through his fued with Shane.

Umm...no. First of all, the Raw ratings were not in the mid 3's they were consistently in the upper 3s. Second, summer ratings almost ALWAYS go up. 2003 ratings did nothing special.

Kane also drew a 5.0 for his wedding angle with Lita in their slot. Can't argue with statistics. WWE has proof that if they push Kane, he can get them ratings, much better ratings than the Great Khali.

Raw that night (August 23rd, 2004) drew a 3.6 TV rating. Could you please provide a source that shows Kane and Lita did a 5.0 spot on a 3.6 rated TV show? Because that would be HIGHLY impressive. I could believe a 4.0 for the segment, but a 5.0 on a 3.6 is a little difficult to buy.

source: http://www.100megsfree4.com/wiawrestling/pages/wwf/wwfraw.htm


EDIT: I do stand corrected on the Kane/Lita. The overrun, (meaning the last five minutes) drew a 4.9 that night. So, that is impressive. Still however, one 5 minute overrun rating is not what you base a championship reign off of. I've seen numbers before that lists viewership change for particular wrestlers. I'm going to see if I can find that.

Plus, for those of you that watched the Great American Bash, fans were decidedly behind Kane, yes the guy is over. Khali doesn't get heel heat, he gets heat because WWE fans just don't want to see him pushed, it's just a dislike for him getting pushed and really has nothing to do with him.

I haven't seen it yet, but I'll be sure to look.

If your numbers are right, you got him. Kane has always been mega over with the fans, proof is in taboo tuesday a few years ago when it was him show and HBK. All 3 were up for vote on a title shot and Kane got 38% of the vote only 8% behind HBK and 22 above show...Yeah...The fans don't like Kane at all....yep. The WWE was shocked and had to bury Kane to prevent him from winning.

The WWE buried Kane to keep him from winning? That doesn't even make sense.

Kane has always been a very unique and entertaining man and has millions of fans and in his prime was just as good in the ring if not better than the undertaker, the WWE held Kane back for reasons I am not sure of. If pushed right he would have been bigger than the undertaker.

First, he has never been as good as the Undertaker in the ring. Not even close. Second, he was held back because he did not have a good gimmick to be a champion, especially considering the time in which he realized his prime. With guys like Austin, Rock, HHH etc, Kane just wasn't going to be champion.

Name 1 good Craptista or Khali match?....Thats right, their are none.

Name one good Kane match? I've yet to see one. The best match Kane has ever been apart of was MITB 1...and he was clearly the worst man in it.

 

[halestorm43]

Of course kane ahs got sloppy over the years, h has let himself go, he does hav a huge gut, but look at who hes had to face the last 2 or so years, is also doesnt help that hes been undertakers personal jobber throughout his carrer. Kane doesnt need to look like chris masters to face and job to people in mid card status, its a shame that hes to nice of a guy and would rather put newomers over than himself and for that alone i think he deserves a title reign or even a decent push. I just dont want to see him jobbing again it owuld be a shame and a waste of his career, hes only got a few more years in him why not have him actually win some matches and get over with the crowd.

 

[ACTAFOOL]

umm slyfox are u telling me that kane hasnt had a good match in his whole career? u might not like the guy... but he has had some entertaining matches, as metioned b4 in this thread... if u didnt find those matches entertaining i dont see how u can find cenas matches good... kane could pull off a way better match than cena ever could or will...same goes for batista and khali

though u might not like him in ring, many ppl do, he is over with the fans and always has been, and its for a reason, he put on some, actually a few, classic matches and many great classic moments... considering how WWE is today, i dont see why he couldnt have a decent reign as champ... though his gimmick isnt really great for a champ... like undertaker, hes better off just being dominate but not a champ...still, kane should get at least one kind of long run as champ, more than 1 day =/

 

[Slyfox696]

umm slyfox are u telling me that kane hasnt had a good match in his whole career?

No, I'm asking someone to show me a good match the guy has had in his career. Not a single one of the matches listed were entertaining in the least, at least not from Kane's doing.

u might not like the guy

Who said I didn't like the guy?

if u didnt find those matches entertaining i dont see how u can find cenas matches good

Not sure how John Cena made it into this thread...I thought we were talking about Kane?

though u might not like him in ring, many ppl do, he is over with the fans and always has been, and its for a reason, he put on some, actually a few, classic matches and many great classic moments

Like....???

considering how WWE is today, i dont see why he couldnt have a decent reign as champ

Umm, considering how the WWE is today is EXACTLY why he doesn't get a reign as champ.

still, kane should get at least one kind of long run as champ, more than 1 day =/

Why? I've never understood why people think wrestlers should get an "honorary" reign. It's stupid and kills prestige of a title.

 

[Jonny B]

Yes, because the other two are actually over as credible main-eventers, and Batista, at least, is a good draw. Khali has good drawing potential. Kane is not over and has never been a draw. Ever.

Did you just say Khali is over? Really?

Without being a pompous ass, Khali is probably the least over "Main Eventer" on the roster. When he comes out I dont hear boo's, I dont hear cheers, I hear absolutely nothing which is probably the worst thing in the world. The Fans dont care about him and as much as the WWE try to get him over as a monster it doesn't appear to have worked yet.

Kane on the other hand, while not what he used to be in the ring, is still better than Khali and Batista in the ring and has the potential in his gimmick to be far more over than both of them. His kind of dark Gimmick has kept him over for this long without a sustained push of any kind, think about it... with a push he could be unbelievably over with the Fans. Kane has a better gimmick and than both Batista and Khali, he is also vastly superior in the ring (which just shows you how bad Batista and Khali are) so what exactly is better about either of them over Kane?

No, I'm asking someone to show me a good match the guy has had in his career. Not a single one of the matches listed were entertaining in the least, at least not from Kane's doing.

And Kane has been involved in classic matches, most of which have already been listed, you think that they are not Kane's doing well I'm sorry but you don't know Wrestling very well. No one person is responsible for how good or Bad a match is, its a combination of all of the competitors involved, sure one person can make the match better or worse but not one person makes an abysmal Wrestler look great. Undertaker never carried Kane... Shane McMahon sure never carried Kane etc... Kane was also involved in a good series of matches when he teamed with X-Pac, he was involved in a great Fatal Four Way at Unforgiven 2000, a very good Last Man Standing match against Chris Jericho. There are many matches that Kane has been involved in that were can be called a good match.

And just because he doesn't entertain you specifically does not mean that he is a bad wrestler, it means he doesn't push your buttons, but considering the majority of Wrestling Fans for years have enjoyed Kane's ring work I would say he is at least deserving of more than a 1 day title run.

 

[Slyfox696]

Did you just say Khali is over? Really?

Without being a pompous ass, Khali is probably the least over "Main Eventer" on the roster. When he comes out I dont hear boo's, I dont hear cheers, I hear absolutely nothing which is probably the worst thing in the world. The Fans dont care about him and as much as the WWE try to get him over as a monster it doesn't appear to have worked yet.

Watch the matches. Khali gets great heel heat. Like on Smackdown, after he interrupted the Kane/Batista match and is walking to the back, he is getting booed out of the arena. Or, in his matches with Cena, he puts his hands in the air and gets a loud chorus of boos.

Khali is definitely an over heel. Not as over as say Cena or Edge obviously, but still over.

Kane has a better gimmick and than both Batista and Khali, he is also vastly superior in the ring (which just shows you how bad Batista and Khali are) so what exactly is better about either of them over Kane?

I wouldn't go that far. He's probably better in the ring, but not vastly superior.

And Kane has been involved in classic matches, most of which have already been listed,

I've seen most of the ones listed, and they were not that good. The only one I'm not sure about is "Kane vs. the world TLC". I originally thought that was the WM21 match, in which Kane had no bearing on that match being good, but that match was MITB, so I'd have to watch it first. But, other than that, I've seen the rest and they are not that good.

you think that they are not Kane's doing well I'm sorry but you don't know Wrestling very well. No one person is responsible for how good or Bad a match is, its a combination of all of the competitors involved, sure one person can make the match better or worse but not one person makes an abysmal Wrestler look great.

My statement was referring to the MITB match at WM21 which was a phenomenal match, but not really because of Kane.

Undertaker never carried Kane... Shane McMahon sure never carried Kane etc... Kane was also involved in a good series of matches when he teamed with X-Pac, he was involved in a great Fatal Four Way at Unforgiven 2000, a very good Last Man Standing match against Chris Jericho. There are many matches that Kane has been involved in that were can be called a good match.

I'll see if I can find those matches and watch them. And, I've yet to see a good Undertaker vs. Kane match.

And just because he doesn't entertain you specifically does not mean that he is a bad wrestler, it means he doesn't push your buttons, but considering the majority of Wrestling Fans for years have enjoyed Kane's ring work I would say he is at least deserving of more than a 1 day title run.

I don't enjoy watching Rey Mysterio either, but I called him the best wrestler in the WWE just the other day. I like Bobby Lashley, but realize he has a long ways to go. I'm pretty objective I think when it comes to quality in the ring. And, I have never seen any instance from Kane, and certainly not in the last few years, that says to me he is worth a damn, and thus deserving of a title.

 

[ACTAFOOL]

well then i think u should go back and see some of kanes matches hes had various good ones, and how havent u seen a good undertaker vs kane match? these 2 put on a hell of a good match and neither one has to carry the other...

the reason i metion john cena is cuz hes the champ, if i can compare kane with cena, batista or khali, and see him as even better.. than i dont see why he shouldnt be champ...

im not saying they should give the belt to viscera or some1 like that, kane shouldnt get a long reign just because hes been in the biz for a long time, he should get one because of what hes done over all these years for WWE, he has talent and has done various good matches, great storylines, and awsome feuds, so please explain why u dont think he deserves to be champ? hes also over with the crowd and has a good draw... wich is what a champ needs... i dont see any reason why kane shouldnt be champ, and why he wouldnt be a good champ... sure hes gone kinda downhill nowadays but he still has enough left to pull off some decent matches and would be a fun champ to watch.. mainly becasue every1 has always wanted kane to be champ hes always had the crowd behind him thanks to his gimmick in the past, im sure many fans would love to see kane being champ for a while... and would love to see him kick khali's ass... if taker can do it so can he XD

 

[TheTruNoLimit]

Umm...no. First of all, the Raw ratings were not in the mid 3's they were consistently in the upper 3s. Second, summer ratings almost ALWAYS go up. 2003 ratings did nothing special.

Raw that night (August 23rd, 2004) drew a 3.6 TV rating. Could you please provide a source that shows Kane and Lita did a 5.0 spot on a 3.6 rated TV show? Because that would be HIGHLY impressive. I could believe a 4.0 for the segment, but a 5.0 on a 3.6 is a little difficult to buy.
EDIT: I do stand corrected on the Kane/Lita. The overrun, (meaning the last five minutes) drew a 4.9 that night. So, that is impressive. Still however, one 5 minute overrun rating is not what you base a championship reign off of. I've seen numbers before that lists viewership change for particular wrestlers. I'm going to see if I can find that.

I haven't seen it yet, but I'll be sure to look.

The WWE buried Kane to keep him from winning? That doesn't even make sense.

Name one good Kane match? I've yet to see one. it.

The thing is this, NO, Kane has never had a Kurt Angle, Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels good match, but Kane isn't 6'2" and 230 lbs. either.

Kane isn't going to be able to do things such as that, he's supposed to be physically dominant. It adds contrast to things. I can't vouch for everybody, but if every match was so even, then there would never be the underdog angle, there would never be the david v. goliath storylines, or anything of the sort.

See, Shawn Michaels v. Kurt Angle is one thing, it's a classic. But then, something like Shawn Michaels v. Kane gives you an entire different dimension to strategy and a different style.

Kane was never supposed to be good in the ring. He is a big man that WWE asks to go into the ring and just do what he does. That's why you see him do the side-walk slam, the boot, the choke slam, the flying clothesline, the powerslam, and that's that. Why? Kane goes in there and can perform his own moves.

Kane got backstage heat last year for broadening his move set at a house show, where he executed a standing drop kick and WWE didn't want Kane to ever use it again because they want Kane to be a powerhouse and they want very strict definitions between the powerhouse wrestlers and the other wrestlers.

We are talking about somebody who used to do a drop kick, hurricanrana, spring board splash over the top rope, spring board clotheslines, etc. When Kane first started and when Kane came back in '02 thinned out at just 280 lbs, he was very agile.

How can we talk about Khali being better when Khali has trouble throwing a punch and making it look believable. Yeah, he has big hands, but he hits you at such a slow speed that he can't even pull off basic moves without looking out of place.

 

[SyStem]

The thing is this, NO, Kane has never had a Kurt Angle, Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels good match, but Kane isn't 6'2" and 230 lbs. either.

Kane isn't going to be able to do things such as that, he's supposed to be physically dominant. It adds contrast to things. I can't vouch for everybody, but if every match was so even, then there would never be the underdog angle, there would never be the david v. goliath storylines, or anything of the sort.

See, Shawn Michaels v. Kurt Angle is one thing, it's a classic. But then, something like Shawn Michaels v. Kane gives you an entire different dimension to strategy and a different style.

Kane was never supposed to be good in the ring. He is a big man that WWE asks to go into the ring and just do what he does. That's why you see him do the side-walk slam, the boot, the choke slam, the flying clothesline, the powerslam, and that's that. Why? Kane goes in there and can perform his own moves.

Kane got backstage heat last year for broadening his move set at a house show, where he executed a standing drop kick and WWE didn't want Kane to ever use it again because they want Kane to be a powerhouse and they want very strict definitions between the powerhouse wrestlers and the other wrestlers.

We are talking about somebody who used to do a drop kick, hurricanrana, spring board splash over the top rope, spring board clotheslines, etc. When Kane first started and when Kane came back in '02 thinned out at just 280 lbs, he was very agile.

How can we talk about Khali being better when Khali has trouble throwing a punch and making it look believable. Yeah, he has big hands, but he hits you at such a slow speed that he can't even pull off basic moves without looking out of place.

Actually yes, Kane used some of those moves such as the standing dropkick and enziguiri even recently with his fued against MVP. I have no idea why the WWE would want to limit someones moveset, if the big guy can wreck shop with some cruiser moves, that would be amazing to see.

And I think everyone saw at the Bash just how bad Khali is, he wouldn't even sell getting jumped by two huge ass guys, instead, he stood there and threw little sissy pushes like he wanted them to stop. C'mon, that was absolutely terrible and I do not know why the WWE insists on pushing this no talented hack down our throats. He is 50x worse than Cena, 100x worse than Batista, and 3,000x worse than The Giant Gonzales.(actually they are probably even in suckitude)

 

[j-rem]

I dont consider Kane as that bad a wrestler compared to batista & Khali but he isnt really good either. I dont think that wwe will ever give him a legitimate world title run & he will end up being burried in the mid card division. If he is lucky wwe might give him a mid card title, e.g the us title but i doubt it. His wrestling skills have gone down since he moved to smackdown & he has become slower. The only reason he is on a main event level at the moment is because smackdowns main eventers are either out with injury or have been drafted to raw.

 

[C-Bizkit]

it's a toss up to me. kane is a great wrestler but if his championship reigns from the past lasted a short while, and i mean short, than i think mcmahon doesn't see him as championship material of see him as someone who can dominate as the WWE or World champion. maybe with a secondary title like the US or IC championships. see how he does and if can spark enough interest in the fans to see WWE/World title contendership. i don't know. let's see what mcmahon thinks. i really don't think that khali is that "great" of a champion. i do, however, think that kane would be a hell of a lot better than khali. and that's all i gotta say about that!!

 

[Derf]

Simply put, Kane DESERVES the a title reign. He's worked his ass off for 10 years now, he's main evented ??? ammount of matches, beaten some of the greatest, had multple other title reigns, as well as the 24 hour title run, is way over with the crowd as a face or heel, and his gimmick isn't that great right now, but it could easily be spiced up.

Batista got where he is because HHH likes him and has hopes for him. He can't wrestle as good as Kane, and although he gets a bigger pop, Kane is liked more altogether. His charecter is a little fresher than Kane, but thats about it. Not deserving of a title run, see his fight with Booker T last year.

Kahli sucks. Point Made.

 

[Clayton38]

Kane has been wrestling as kane for almost 10 years. 10 years of dominance, his matches until the past year have always been awesome, he has created new matches, his broken royal rumble records, basically he has dominated almost every superstar in the WWE! at some point, he has broken Raw rating records especially kane unmasking & going crazy. He has held almost every title (WWE/IC/Hardcore/Tag/WCW Tag/)

I dont know about the ratings records thing... but I'll agree with this. Kane is a mainstay for the WWE. He has been around forever, and has always been considered a dominant and scary opponent. Honestly, he needs to get a belt before he retires. I admit he has been putting on weight, but honestly, no more than he did when he first came to the company. I think when Kane was slimming down and starting to get in better shape, they should have given him a run as incentive to work harder... but what has Kane got to work for? He's losing to MVP and shit guys like that. They could easily put a belt on him, but they need to start having him win against guys who are considered the #1 contenders... such as Batista and Mark Henry. I mean, honestly... whats so bad about him challenging for a title? Batista has been feuding with the ever-changing champion of smackdown for months now. Since, Taker, Edge, and now Khali... how many times has he lost in an attempt to get the belt? Anyone is better than Batista at this point. He doesnt have the belt, and is in the main events far more than the champs actually are.

Kane was around in the heyday. He fough Austin, Benoit, Eddie Guerrero, The Rock, Shawn Michaels, Triple H, Mick Foley, The Undertaker, The Hardy's... everyone from the era that WWE aspires to get back to. He is a beyond measure of most in the company, and deserves a title before he leaves.

 

[serdefty]

Name some good Kane matches?How about.....
1.TLC match on RAW in 2002
2.Kane vs. Shane:Ambulance Match
3.Kane/RVD:Summerslam 2003
4.Kane/HBK:Unforgiven 2004
5.Kane/HHH:No Mercy 2002
6.Royal Rumble Match 2001 where he eliminated 11 people
7.Survivor Series 2002:Elimination Chamber
8.Kane/Benoit:Badd Blood 2004
9.Kane/Shane:Unforgiven 2003
10.MITB 1:WM 21
11.Any match he had with MVP
Yes,he mightbe slow in the ring but he's not the kind you expect to be fast.He can actually perform a pretty good dropkick which was shown after his match with MVP on the 1/26/07 SD! and his flying clothesline is pretty good.He's a 17-year veteran and doesn't seem to suck up to Vince like others.He can actually use a lot of moves in the ring and i saw some submission holds used by him in a match on SD! earlier this year vs. Big Davey Boy Dud a.k.a Boretista.I'm saying he deserves this badly:GIVE HIM THE WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Maybe he should just jump to TNA.

 

[Oasys]

Exactly. Kane should go to TNA with all of the other WWE rejects. He would fit in quite nicely.
I am so damn tired of hearing people bitch about how "Kane deserves his long title reign!!" If we are going to slap the belt on people who "deserve" it, give the championship to Mark Henry, HBK, Triple H, Val Venis.. and hell, give Cena another year with the WWE Championship. Plenty of wrestlers deserve the belt more than Kane and still don't get their shot.
Kane has no talent. He has lived off of Taker his entire career. He does not deserve the championship, he did not deserve a longer title reign than he received.

and one more thing... The WWE is aspiring to get another team like the Hardyz? MVP is a shit wrestler? You all need to get your head out of your ass and watch these shows. Hopefully you have the intelligence to recognize quality wrestling when you see it.

 

[minimonkey220]

And I think everyone saw at the Bash just how bad Khali is, he wouldn't even sell getting jumped by two huge ass guys, instead, he stood there and threw little sissy pushes like he wanted them to stop. C'mon, that was absolutely terrible and I do not know why the WWE insists on pushing this no talented hack down our throats. He is 50x worse than Cena, 100x worse than Batista, and 3,000x worse than The Giant Gonzales.(actually they are probably even in suckitude)

I absolutely agree with that... are u ppl blind just look at the Khali's matches...and u have a problem with kane's talent?


Kane has been around the WWE since 1996 but has never been the top superstar on any brand in terms of a good Championship reign

he sells tickets and draws ppl to the arenas and to the Tv, including me

his feud with shane macmahon a while back is one of my all time favorites and it produced COUNTLESS great matches

kane has wrestled under unorthodox stipulations and truly has talent in the ring

yes hes slow in the ring and has quickly put on weight but look at the current WHC, fucken the Great Khali

i would pick Kane over Khali anytime and Kane would surly carry the WHCampionship on Smackdown to new heights and create some new great feuds and matches like he has done so many times before in his career

he is surely waay better then Khali and would be a better champion then him
vince machamhon should really take kane seriously, i mean WTF khali as champ? If Vince is so desperate, he should give Kane a shot.. hes been around since 1996 and is truly one of the most decorated stars in the buisness

TNA is a possibilty for Kane, for so many former WWE stars have had success there, especially Christian and currently Angle... Samoa Joe vs. Kane anyone?

 

[watchingandwaiting]

4 points

1. Its not good when one of the main justifications for someone's title run is "Well its better than having Khali or Batista as champ"

2. From a booking perspective a Kane title reign makes no sense. He is not going to restore any prestige to the belt with a short title reign. At this point in his career, the belt is not going to get him any more over than he already is. Kane also, having just jobbed to Mark Henry, has zero momentum for a title run. The title shot against Edge was illogical enough, but at least he was going to just do the JOB and not actually have a shot to win.

3. A question for the Kane fans - Is it really better for Kane's legacy to get a 2 month (tops) title run that is going to be remembered only because of who was injured when he got the belt?

4. Does Glen Jacobs really want a title run at this point in his career? I seem to remember a report stating that he was offered one a while back and turned it down and that he was happy to just put over the younger talent (you know, what the vets nearing the end are supposed to do to help the future of the business). It's very possible that the man is happy where he is at and doesn't want the added stress of carrying a depleted brand on his shoulders.

 

[Slyfox696]

I absolutely agree with that... are u ppl blind just look at the Khali's matches...and u have a problem with kane's talent?

Cena vs. Khali or Undertaker vs. Khali was as interesting of a match as any singles match I've ever seen Kane in. *shrugs*

kane has wrestled under unorthodox stipulations and truly has talent in the ring

So has Abdullah the Butcher. Quick someone sign Abdullah and make him champion! Just because he's wrestled in gimmick matches isn't a reason to make him champion.

yes hes slow in the ring and has quickly put on weight but look at the current WHC, fucken the Great Khali

Khali is credible. Khali has been booked to be all but unbeatable.

Who hasn't gone over Kane at this point? Funaki? Is he the only one who Kane hasn't jobbed to?

TNA is a possibilty for Kane, for so many former WWE stars have had success there, especially Christian and currently Angle... Samoa Joe vs. Kane anyone?

God no! The amount of no-selling in that match would reach a 12 on the 10 point Undertaker scale. I see no way in Hell a Samoa Joe vs. Kane match would be anything other than worthless.





So, I'm going to give Kane a shot. Will someone credible give me a list of Kane's three best 1-ON-1 matches, so I can watch them and see what's so great. Point me to his best match against Shane McMahon as well. I only want 1-ON-1 matches though, not matches where his weaknesses can be hidden by camera and multitudes of other wrestlers.

What are Kane's best 1-on-1 matches?



And, as a hint, don't say Kane vs. Undertaker at any time. You will only hurt Kane's chances to be taken seriously.

 

[ACTAFOOL]

dont say kane and undertaker matches? kane has never needed taker to carry him in any match, they just pull off a good match, i loved their inferno match (1-on-1) or their match at WM 14 (i think it was that one)

but ok, against shane i liked the last man standing match the most... though the ambulance match i though was really good too

kane/RVD at summerslam (as metioned) put on a really good match also

kane/big show/raven for the hardcore title was really good too, i know its not 1 on 1 but kane was the one who did most of things in that match so trust me he wont be ''hidden''

kane/mankind HIAC, ur gonna say ''sure against mankind in a HIAC every match is awsome'' but kane did a good job in that match, and its incredible to see him go hardys style and leap above the top rope out of the ring

first blood against stone cold for the title.. i dont remember if it was really good, but from what ive heard ppl saying it should be good

kane/benoit bad blood (also as mentioned), i dont know man there are many great kane matches IMO... just look them up on youtube.. u might like some other matches better.. depends on what u want in a match and everything

 

[Slyfox696]

dont say kane and undertaker matches? kane has never needed taker to carry him in any match, they just pull off a good match, i loved their inferno match (1-on-1) or their match at WM 14 (i think it was that one)

Their match at WM 14 was terrible. After the entrances were over, nothing else happened of any interest.

but ok, against shane i liked the last man standing match the most... though the ambulance match i though was really good too

kane/RVD at summerslam (as metioned) put on a really good match also

Kane vs. Shane and Kane vs. RVD? You are not exactly instilling me with a lot of hope thus far...but, I'll see.

kane/big show/raven for the hardcore title was really good too, i know its not 1 on 1 but kane was the one who did most of things in that match so trust me he wont be ''hidden''

This was garbage. Completely and totally not interesting. Sure, they kicked each other's ass, but the wrestling was worthless.

kane/mankind HIAC, ur gonna say ''sure against mankind in a HIAC every match is awsome'' but kane did a good job in that match, and its incredible to see him go hardys style and leap above the top rope out of the ring

The Undertaker vs. Manking match was just awful. I'm not sure why people talk about it like it was awesome, but it wasn't. Sure, Foley took two big time bumps, but the match itself was terrible. I'll see about Kane/Mankind.

first blood against stone cold for the title.. i dont remember if it was really good, but from what ive heard ppl saying it should be good

kane/benoit bad blood (also as mentioned), i dont know man there are many great kane matches IMO... just look them up on youtube.. u might like some other matches better.. depends on what u want in a match and everything

When I get some time, I'll do some looking on these matches.

Thanks for the list.