Why has the IWC seemingly turned on Randy Orton?

[newteenforbb]

Because he's boring. He doesn't have a character anymore; he doesn't give promos except once in a blue moon. His entire gimmick is built around his finisher. Let him talk again, give him some sort of angle besides he hears voices in his head and wants to hurt everyone. Then the IWC will be ok with him again.

At that point, they would find something else to pick apart. I am slowly realizing that about the IWC (not entirely sure why it took me this long). You simply can't make people happy for a long period of time. It always has to be something that needs to be complained about. Perhaps this is why WWE is so happy playing hot potato with championships. Long reigns is just another added thing that people can't handle anymore.

 

[shooter_mcgavin]

I think its the lack of "the chase" when Orton won the World Title. If you look at it Orton's #1 Contender status it just happened to happen all of a sudden, then a DQ finish at Summer Slam then a random elimination match to Win the World Title. It just seemed so fast, there was no chase and, hence, no incentive to root for him.

I guess its not just Orton nor its just the faces like Cena or Undertaker. But I also found the World Title regins of guys like Sheamus(most recent win) or Swagger's quite boring. Its because the World Title's title reigns and booking feels to random for anyone to care and if its hard to care in the story behind the World Title feuds it also affects how we care about the guys holding it.

I mean if you look at those recent title reigns to those of Austin's, Triple H's, or Foley's there was such a rich story behind those reigns. It wasn't like oh person is #1 contender a few months later he wins the World Title then looses it again against a random #1 contender.

 

[shafe_41]

Orton turned face, he started to smile, he began to be an actual face instead of a well-liked heel. Hating on Orton is ridiculous. He needed that turn because if you honestly believe he was going anywhere being a heel longer, you're delusional. Who would Orton had feuded with had he remained a heel? Cena again? I sure hope not. Raw has all the heels they need right now. With Nexus, Sheamus, Punk, Miz and a soon to be Cena (which I believe we will start to see a small attitude change tonight.), you have to have a face Randy Orton. If not, and Cena still turns, who's Raw's top babyface? Daniel Bryan? C'mon. I like him as much as the next person, but Daniel Bryan can't be the top face of Raw. Orton's change is refreshing because he was getting quite stale with not a lot to do. Plus, he was getting cheered anyway. The fans turned Orton, creative didn't.

 

[The Mark of Zur-En-Arrh]

Could someone actually define how Orton's character has changed since before Wrestlemania? Because to me it seems he doesn't have the lackeys behind him, and there's no more segments where he beats the hell out of someone. Instead it's stand around and chat and then RKO.

Matches are the same except instead of punching the floor he wriggles around before RKO'ing someone.

And he's STILL punting people.......

His title reign? Is no different from any other 3 month title reign where he fights a different guy every month. He's not fueding with Cena or kissing HHH's unconscious wife, he's just waiting for the next guy to come up demanding a title shot.

I haven't soured on the guy. I just feel i'm watching the same Randy Orton i was last year except his angles have sucked so far. Don't blame Orton, he's just bin given less decent material to work with.

They give him the title at NOC. It's a random 6 way match where anyone could have ended up winning, because only 2 of the guys were involved in any REAL angle. Orton's win/loss record had been pretty good, and he gets the belt.
HIAC is 2 weeks later so there's no real time to build anything up prior to that, so it's Randy/Sheamus again. HIAC matches suck in general now due to the ridiculous standards we have, despite the fact we know it's all PG now anyway, so most people shit on that too.
It's now Bragging Rights and seemingly Randy being the champion is back burner to Cena's part of Nexus storyline.

IF he's still the champion tomorrow morning, then i expect him to start a fresh fued with someone new, and to be honest i'm thinking it's gotta be Miz. Barrett/Cena would probably continue and surely they wouldn't go with Sheamus again, and i can't see CM Punk suddenly getting a title shot (although that would probably be pretty good), so who else is it going to be? Unless it's going to be a random Triple Threat or Four Way or something.

If he loses tonight however, he'll obviously go through the 'rematch fued' so that won't be exciting, and then maybe he'll face someone he can actually work a story with and not play pass the title with.

I'm not saying he's not a good champion, i'm saying this face turn doesn't seem like anything worth talking about, and the writers aren't making good use of their champion.

Give him a proper angle with someone who can talk and THEN the majority of this small percentage of wrestling fans may be more appreciative of his talents.

 

[MrHashasheen]

Why? Because he got what he wanted to quickly. There was no great struggle like Austin versus McMahon. He never lost cleanly Sheamus, who really never got a fair shake in either of his championship runs because the WWE has issues with letting their top guys as of late lose cleanly.

But back to Orton, he's got no great struggle to defend his championship, he's got no great opponent, he's not even the main thing on Raw. He didn't struggle to get his championship reign like HBK or Stone Cold did. He just rode his momentum to the top without presenting any effort.

Even though I've never been a fan of his, I hope he loses against Barrett, not because I don't like him, but because it'll place him directly into the Nexus storyline and give him something to fight against ala Steve Austin/ Vince McMahon and Corporation/Ministry, etc... He'll get built up a lot more like that, and it would help serve a possible Cena heel turn.

 

[GeneralKarim]

Lets forget about the general opinion of the IWC and just think about something first.THE ONLY reason people like randy is because he KINDA reminds people of SCSA and because he was/is a damn good heel ( and he couldnt just be a heel forever at this point ).He is the anti-hero , the exact opposite of Cena etc etc etc etc.

BUT he at this very moment has 0 character....all i see in Randy Orton right now is a dude who does a flip ( like the one this week's RAW that made me actually LOL ) and pounds the mat before delivering the o so impressive RKO.His promos are shit right now , and are very few, he currently doesnt even have a gimmick.

People will say well...the VIPER GIMMICK...personally i dont see any viper in him all i see is a dude who is calm and after he gets to hit his 2clothesline/scoop slam gets all nervous for some apparent reason and starts kicking ass.Plus when the mighty serious and very over Randy Orton said im gonna hit yyou with an R K O... i just vomited.I MEAN REALLY????????thats what u come up with?That sound like Little Rey rey saying That he and the entire 6 1 9 will [ insert random action here ].


Im not one of those guys that starts yelling "omg turn [insert name here] heel" or "face" and then after that happens i rage cause "I" dont like it.I just go with the flow , although sometimes i wish some people wouldnt be turned ..e.g. MVP.He really needs a good feud right now in which he actually cuts a promo and makes people care.Because i dont care if you F'N reach orgasm when he RKO'es someone ..that doesnt tell a story or sth.He needs something to do beside RKO everyone on the show pointlessly and have matches with guys just because and ONLY because he has the belt.

I am still a Randy Orton fan I dont give up on wrestlers because they are shit or something at one point in their career, so here's hoping they add something to Orton cause right now he is just turning into a John Cena minus the mic-skills.

Sry for the wall of text.

 

[Chameleon]

everything you said is spot on! the IWC cannot make up their fucking minds! for example: a man walks into a bank at 10am on monday goes to the first teller puts a gun to his/her head and asks for $200,000$ he then walks out and gets into a getaway car and rides off.... the next day he returns to the same bank he robbed yesterday with the $200,000$ and gives it back to the teller and tells him/her "i don't want this money anymore" after he put a gun to the teller's head and demanded the same 200,000$ he wanted the previous day! what i am saying is.... THE IWC IS A BUNCH OF FUCKING MORONS WHO THINK THAT THEY ARE IN CONTROL JUST BY TYPING ON A FUCKING PC/LAPTOP OR SITTING IN THEIR MOTHER'S BASEMENT WATCHING ON TV! and please don't give us this "we have an opinion too" bullshit because you guys/gals are fucking rouges! for example.... you want cena heel and you are bitching and ranting and moaning about it! for example...POSTER#1 "the WWE should turn cena heel" and "he's stale as a face"!...POSTER#2... "from what i heard they are about to turn cena heel and vince wants him to be the biggest heel in the company's history and vince should go ahead and turn cena"! but.... soon as cena turns heel....POSTER #1.....vince should not have turned cena heel he messed up! and his little IWC buddy POSTER#2.... yeah man you are right....vince should've done it a better way!
now those 2 posters are the same 2 who wanted cena to turn heel!
but it's in the E! now if cena was in TNA and the IWC and dixie wanted him to turn heel..POSTER # 1... " that was the best fucking thing that have ever happend"!!! POSTER#2...thank you TNA!!!! TNA is gonna get better now!!!!

THE IWC IS 85 percent TNA marks 10 percent ROH marks and 5 percent WWE marks IMO!

note to the IWC community!!!
MAKE UP YOUR FUCKING MINDS AND BE HAPPY FOR WHAT WWE OR TNA GIVES YOU!!!!! now i see why vince is shafting the fans!!! it's because of you..THE IWC "ROUGE" COMMUNITY! can't make up their fucking minds to save their lives!

oh BTW!!!! this was written grammar free! WHY? because half of you "marks" are dumb!

 

[Vega]

I think it always happens when someone is booked in a way the IWC dislikes. In the case of Cena and now Orton, it's because they are / were booked over the top. On RAW, Randy has been almost invulnerable. It wouldn't even have been a surprise if he just delivered RKOs to each member of Nexus when they wanted to beat him down. I think the IWC hates predictability and over the top booking, that's why Orton hasn't much love these days. It's not because of the character, it's because of the position he's getting.
You could also notice that the hate on Cena has lowered. Well, that is because he lost some matches and adapted weaknesses. He now is a wrestler that is strong, but can lose. I myself enjoy Cena much more now and don't like the route they're going with Orton, but it hasn't to do with the persons, it is the booking.

 

[i_against_i]

I really don't think it's a case of Randy being booked to look strong ... I just think it's more to do with the change in his character to be more fan friendly.

I'm not saying he should be a heel now because there is definitely a lack of top faces on Raw right now ... but he was getting cheered as a heel. Why change his character when he could keep doing exactly what he was doing, just shift his focus toward heels instead of faces?

This same thing happened to Edge when he had that temporary face run and his feud with Jericho earlier this year. These guys (Edge and Orton) are great heels and can work really well as tweeners. Start making them over the top babyfaces and it just doesn't work. That whole "COME ON GUYS CHEER FOR ME" kind of pandering makes them cheesy.

 

[bigbootydaddyV]

The WWE seems to always be trying to get another Austin with a heel who does such a great job the fans start to cheer them because they enjoy what they are doing so much. Same thing happened with Cena as I think ppl enjoyed his rapper gimmick and his freestyles were so funny sometimes the crowd started to like him that they made him a face, which the IWC and most adults found VERY boring, the same thing is happening with Orton... Sometimes the WWE has to get fans just like to cheer the heel.. they don't necessarily want the heel to be face though... and if they are going to be face then they need a bret hart or cm punk type character to point out the fact that the fans are cheering this type of person on... otherwise it just gets to be ridiculous.

 

[mvalley]

This has been the case for years. Triple H was near invincible years back and I noticed everyone ripped at him. Same with Cena. Same with Orton. My guess is if there was a IWC back in the 80's, Hogan would have been their prime target.

My general feeling is people hate the "superman" gimmick. You want to see change SOME of the time. Don't get me wrong...there is a delicate balance. IF you have the champ lose most of his matches and squeak by when he must retain it somehow, people view the title reign negatively and it devalues the belt (See Rey Mysterio, or Ric Flair reportedly when he did the "Dusty Finish" over and over again).

IF you have a series of short title reigns where the title bounces between individuals, it doesn't built any of them and can devalue the title (see the WCW towards the last two years).

There has to be a balance. I think Kane is an excellent example right now. Kane has not won all his matches, but a good many. He has held the title for a few months now, not so few that people would be upset to see him lose it too "quickly" (well, some people would be), but not to the point where people are tired of seeing him as champ either. Kane has had strong moments, as well as weak moments. The balance is met.

 

[Djm]

Speaking as someone who is not afraid to identify himself as a member of the IWC, unlike others, I'd just like to say that I never liked Randy Orton as a babyface or a heel, and even less a babyface. He's not likable.

Yep, someone has a differing opinion.

 

[Big Nick Dudley]

Since Randy Orton turned face, he has been given absolutely nothing to work with. After Mania, he had a thrown together match with Swagger at Extreme Rules for a title that belonged to the show he wasn't even apart of.

After that, he went on to have a completely uninteresting, random feud with Edge. It had zero creativity, and the matches were not that great (Edge was pretty out of shape). Their promo's were few and far between, and meant nothing. There was zero emotion, zero creativity in the way that feud was written. That (sort of) ended at the next PPV (Over the Limit), and was a complete failure, IMO.

Then at Fatal Fourway, another emotionless WWE PPV, he was involved in a 4-Way match for the title, once again having absolutely nothing to work with in terms of building an actual feud/storyline.

What happened next? You guessed it; another multi-person match at Money In The Bank, with the same shit happening that took place before Fatal Fourway. After that debacle, he went on to feud with Sheamus. Neither men were given anything compelling to work with, in terms of an actual story, and this continued through Summerslam. Then we had Night Of Champions, another PPV-idea that kills the notion of having any type of storyline. Orton wins the title in the most uneventful fashion possible, because there was ZERO build and ZERO emotion.

Orton and Sheamus continue through Hell in a Cell, and still had nothing to feud about. It was completely competition-based. How can someone, either guy, cut a decent promo when no real feud has been established by the creative department? Decent HIAC match, but the PG-rating puts a huge constraint on what WWE chooses to do with those cell matches.

That takes us to the present. Orton has a title defense tonight against Wade Barrett. Orton, the CHAMPION, has been completely ignored during this entire feud. The whole thing has centered around Barrett/Cena. How in the hell does WWE expect their champion to stay hot if he isn't even involved in his own storyline? This feud, for Orton, has been terrible. Why? Because it hasn't been a feud, not at all.

I hope you see what I'm getting at here. I cannot recall when the WWE creative team has been so..uncreative when it comes to their babyface champion. This guy has been getting the #1 ovation of any wrestler out there for months now. The crowd is more than jacked everytime this guy comes out. What does he, and his fans get in return? Nothing. This is why so many on the internet are sick of the guy. They think his face turn sucks! Why? Because it has! It's not his fault, not at all, IMO. Give the guy something compelling to do, for the love of Christ!

EDIT: Also add in Cena-fans who are probably not very happy with Orton receiving this push, and/or getting the biggest pop each time they are on television.

 

[Kenny Powers]

IWC is spoiled because whoever is popular at the moment will be praised then condemned. Anderson, Hardy, Cena, Orton, and the Miz were praised before they were huge. Now that they are big names, people turn against them. That is the nature of the beast for the IWC. Anytime something or someone becomes popular they are usually ridiculed, even though the IWC got exactly what they asked for.

 

[Djm]

IWC is spoiled because whoever is popular at the moment will be praised then condemned. Anderson, Hardy, Cena, Orton, and the Miz were praised before they were huge. Now that they are big names, people turn against them. That is the nature of the beast for the IWC. Anytime something or someone becomes popular they are usually ridiculed, even though the IWC got exactly what they asked for.

I've never liked any of those guys, and I'm a part of the IWC.

And hearing the WWE fans chant for Daniel Bryan in his match against Dolph Ziggler made me extremely happy.

Though I know some people will say "Oh, it's because Vickie's such a heat magnet. The casual fans don't give a shit about Daniel Bryan. He's a nerd and a vegan and a geek and a loser and stuff!"

So, here is the modern patron saint of the IWC, and I say I hope he gets popular.

The IWC generalizing just doesn't work.

 

[Gavschenko]

Randy orton dont no whats special about him hes so boring and his gimmick dont make sense last year hes meant to be the most sick guy ever but now hes comes out smiling and people are all over this guy if any1 no's why ill love to know

 

[ToWhomItConcerns.]

admittedly i don't watch too much of Raw and i don't come on here as often as i probably should to be commenting on it

but if the IWC has turned on Orton it wouldn't surprise me...it seems that the IWC (or at least most of the IWC) is as fickle as other wrestling fans (though they'd die before they admit it)...seriously its like 1 minute _____________ (fill in the blank) is being talked about like the 2nd coming of Jesus and the next that same person is the worst thing to ever happen to pro wrestling.

or the other way around...Miz.

when he and Morrison broke up and i remember everybody saying Morrison was the next HBK and the next big thing, even though i liked both, i thought Miz would grow (if given the chance) to be bigger than Morrison...i admit that was solely based on the fact that i've been a fan of Mike Mizanin since The Real World: Back To New York. look how fast almost all of the IWC has changed its opinion on Miz.

 

[Navi]

I don't think one poster can speak for the whole community, but I personally am beginning to sour on him.

Not because of his wrestling skills but because the man has zero personality. He has the same look on his face week in and week out. It's almost like he's been craved out of stone or something. I don't mind Orton but I've just never thought he deserved all the accolades he gets.

When you look at Cena, Jericho, Big Show and The Miz, they're naturals at talking on the mic. Orton on the other hand, looks stunted and has never been able to hold up his end. He has a great gimmick and the in ring skills to get the job done, if he only has half the personality some of the others do, he'd be one of the best.

 

[IComeFromMoney]

OMG has it down pact. The IWC hates on pretty much every face world champ. We went through it with Cena and now we are going through it with Orton. And when they aren't hating on a face world champ they are usually complaining about how the heel world champ is poorly booked. It's a never ending cycle.

Spot on. It's mind boggling.

I think the so called "IWC" as a whole (if there can be such a thing) has soured on Orton but I sure haven't. I've been a fan for a long time and I'm not about to stop now.