Who's The Better Wrestler?

[LadyFranchise]

when i was talking about differ opponents i was saying how micheals wrestles differently with different opponents to make it believable unlike cena who almost never differs, despite their weight and what not he always seems to pull of the big moves

Umm duh? Look at HBK's muscle mass and look at Cena's. Of course Shawn Michaels has to wrestle differently against bigger opponents. His moveset is going to be limited because of the difference in strength. John Cena pulls off the big moves because he can (Obviously). HBK doesn't perform big moves on bigger wrestlers because he can't. Not to make it look 'Believable'.

 

[Slyfox696]

Slyfox, when i was talking about differ opponents i was saying how micheals wrestles differently with different opponents to make it believable unlike cena who almost never differs, despite their weight and what not he always seems to pull of the big moves, and its pathetic, i know wrestling takes co-operation from both wrestlers but cmon

What are you talking about? How does Cena's match with Triple H compare in any way to his match with RVD? How does his match with RVD compare in anyway with his TLC match with Edge? How does his TLC match with Edge compare with his Royal Rumble match with Umaga? How did his match with Umaga in anyway show itself at Raw in Milan?

Cena wrestles completely different depending on his opponent. And, like shanti, said, Cena is big and strong enough to pull off his power moves anyways, unlike Shawn Michaels, who never relies on power moves to begin with.

This doesn't make any sense.

..also what i was saying about better WRESTLER, i was saying it from mine and the rfest of the world's terms,

I was referring to the industry's terms. If you want to see a great "wrestler" go watch Olympic wrestling. Professional wrestling is sports entertainment. It's not real, its scripted, just like a TV show. Who wins and who loses is pre-determined, the guys work together to put on a match, and one lays down for another. It's a form of entertainment, and when you say "wrestler" in a professional wrestling context, it is the same thing as saying entertainer.

I think what you are looking for is saying that Cena is not a good "technical" wrestler. And, while I would disagree with that he's not a good technical wrestler, I would agree that he rarely technical wrestles. However, Cena is a world-class brawler, and brawling is a form of professional wrestling as well.

of course to you and vince mcmahon a perfect wrestler would be john cena, stone cold steve austin and other ENTERTAINERS

Wait, are you trying to insinuate that Steve Austin wasn't a good wrestler?

but anyways i didnt know u voted for micheals, all i saw was u constantly sticking uop for ur best friend john cena, but what im seeing here from you is alot of OPINION because thats what this is all about so u have urs i have mine, and i uess i can live with that.

The only "facts" that can really be brought up support my opinion a lot more than others. You want to talk about consistent good performance, as rated by Dave Meltzer? Cena and HBK both average around the same amount. You want to talk about how brings more fans to the show, which is basically saying who is more entertaining, then that goes to Cena. You want to talk about who can work with opponents of a variety of shapes and sizes and do it well, then HBK and Cena are about the same again.

My point all along is that while I take HBK simply because of longevity, to say that Michaels is easily better is a joke.

 

[ACTAFOOL]

many ppl nowadays saying austin was a bad wrestler, wich just makes me think that not everybody has seen his technical wrestling matches, but austin was the best brawler the industry has seen

i get cena is a brawler and thats why he doesnt do many wrestling moves, though cena ia a good brawler compared to the other wrestlers WWE has today, hes nowhere near austin, since hes more of a babyface come back brawler, and austin just jumped on the guys once he heard the bell, and looked like a damn drunk beating on some1 wich i always found funny and entertaining hahaha, though cena just doesnt seem to give 110% in his matches, he sells very well but on the offensive part the only thing he sells 110% i would say is his finisher...

and yes if u wanna see a good wrestler watch olympic wrestlers, though if u wanna see entertaining wrestlers than watch WWE or TNA, the problem is cena isnt that entertaining =/... average at most.... im rarley entertained by his matches, he has had some great ones, like 4, but thats about it...for a 2 year reign i would expect more, though of course this is just my personal opinion on him, i cant say for a fact hes not entertaining as he seems to entertain some fans older than 10 (right slyfox?) but still i stick to my opinion

and this isnt because hes been champ for almost a year, i liked it when HHH held the belt for almost a year, i didnt wanna see him lose it yet, i liked when rey was champ and thought his reign was too short, obvliously he wasnt gonna be champ for a year but i wanted to see that, l ilked london/kendrick as tag champs for almost a year, and even though the hardys were back i still wanted them to be champs cuz they're great, i liked it when austin held it for a long time also, hell i even enjoyed samoas joe reign in ROH for 21 months!

what i mean is that if cena really was entertaining i wouldnt mind him being champ for so long even though many cena lovers say ''u wouldnt hate him if he wasnt champ so long''...

 

[Kourtney_Game]

Dear Slyfox, what can I say lol...u win, okay hun, ya beat me...well seems u deserve a cookie, okay all joking aside, lets just say i dont like cena at all, theres so many reasons that just cant be tested with facts and yes i agree about wrestling but cmon when u compare wrestling skills micheals is the better, and u know it, i would debate ur facts about cena's versatility but u wouldnt understand, because u seem to see something different,

Now i will credit cena on some things he deserves it:

He has had damn near the heaviest workrate in the last 2 years,

He along woth many others, has carried the business for the last year after
the y2j quit, angle leving and all the injuries

He has had like 2 good matches vs. hbk, vs. edge TLC, and vs. umaga last man standing (IMO)

He has taken alot of criticism and overcame alot of the hating and booes

He's made a movie (HOOO RAH!!!!!) pathetic

Now on to the bad, if we were to only go on opinion then as i said, cena is:
Not very entertaining since he became we champion

Not very skilled despite his style

Doesnt have much of a real character, like austin who yes i am saying is not a good wrestler either

Has been overrated as in being the champ, being put in our face night off and night on

Is not heel

Im not going to do the regular cena hater moe and talk about his "limited moveset" because i dont think thats a factor, ive always enjoyed watching austin i just think hes a crappy wrestler and theres NOTHING WRONG with that.

neither will i do the"hes had the title for so long" because i loved when my baby triple H held it despite the heat and when shawn hogged it along with austin and the rock. so that would be void.

 

[BarbwireBallz]

John Cena=low ratings thats all I have to say about him
Shawn Michaels=the icon, the showstopper, the legend, first grand slam champion,future wwe hall of famer and in my opinion Mr. Wrestlemania all because of what he pulls off at does wrestlemania events he always comes up with something for the thousands in attendance at wrestlemania. He can also do Main Events like know body can he gets you cheering for him and puts you on the edge of your seat making you not miss a single thing. He can be like a underdog at times like for example:Rocky Balboa in Rocky 2. You dont know when sweet chin music is going to hit you...BAM!!! 123 the crowd goes nuts HBK wins HBK wins and that is what should of happen at wrestlemania 23 for the title against John Cena. It belongs to a true top performer and his name is Shawn Michaels

 

[mikeRC]

i dont think anyone could possibly compare those two Cena has yet to do anything for people to say "remember that time when Cena...." the man has been in the WWE title picture for about 2 years and he has done fuck all exept beat people that seemed to have the advantage in their match. i'll admit his match with lashley was pretty good but his last promo on raw was the biggest pile of crap i have ever seen. it might even rival khalis promos. he definitely shouldnt be compared to HBK. Cena has been booed at the last 2 Wrestlemanias and HBK has stolen the show at nearly every Wrestlemania he has been a part of. HBK has given us some of the most entertaining moments of wrestling history all Cena has done is attract the largest amount of hate for a face character in the last decade (but the miz is catching up). HBK is a legend. Cena is a bullshit wrestler. a better Promo would have been The Rock vs HBK

 

[THe WHoLe FuCKiN SHoW]

the only ppl in this thread who could possibly pick cena are the kids who are about 11 and 12 years old and anyone from canada who hates hbk. no possible way anyone whose watched wrestling through out the 90's and watches today picks cena over shawn michaels. thats ridiculous.

 

[Highlight Reel]

I picked HBK. Michaels is one of the true legends of WWE, and always puts up entertaining matches.

And IMO, HBK should have beaten Cena at WrestleMania.

 

[Slyfox696]

the only ppl in this thread who could possibly pick cena are the kids who are about 11 and 12 years old and anyone from canada who hates hbk. no possible way anyone whose watched wrestling through out the 90's and watches today picks cena over shawn michaels. thats ridiculous.

Or, they could be 22 year old college students and teachers from Missouri who also coach junior high and high school basketball who began watching wrestling during the 1980s and have followed it through to current day.

Either way.

 

[Bring_Back_Evolution]

HBK all the way!!!
He has been in the Rockers, DX, nWo had one of the greatest rivalries of all time with Bret Hart and then again with Triple H.
I know he does the same moves most of the time but why change what works? Ric Flair never changes his moves and the crowd love and respect him... just like HBK.
Cena.... Urgh!! rookie --> rapper --> soldier. The only respect I have for him is when he FUs really big guys.

 

[TheShocka2k]

HBK is better performer and better entertainer than Cena. Shawn can make ANYONE look good in the ring just by the way he sells the moves. Cena will never be a great wrestler, just more of a brawler like Hogan was.

 

[SSJPhenom]

I don't see how this is even a valid arguement! Cena and Michaels, who's better? MICHAELS! Cena isn't even in the same class with Michaels. HBK is a legend and much like the man (Undertaker) he is a legend that can still go. Tell me anyone else on Raw or SD that does better in ring work right now than HBK. Tell me anyone who can bring the fans into a match better than HBK. HBK is great while, the champ, is greatly disappointing!

 

[TakerHardy13]

Obviously this one goes to Michaels. Even at the age he is at now, he is still a better wrestler than Cena. Cena has an invetory of lyk 5 differents moves and is totally predictable as a wrestler. Shawn Michaels helped to revolutionize wrestling. This is the reason why I think Michaels is a better wrestler than Cena.

 

[Wonka]

I can't believe this would even be in question by ANYONE, Shaun Michaels is a god among wreslters. John Cena just has mic skills that is what got him his fame. Without his mic skills John Cena would have went nowhere fast.

 

[evdogg311]

I guess I can understand the point behind this poll, considering Cena is pretty over with the kids these days. But as far as wrestling goes, there's not many that compete with HBK.

 

[Riccay]

Even as a Cena fan, this poll is obviously to Shawn Michaels. Cena is more of a brawler type wrestler, while HBK has more wrestling experience.

This is kind of like matching up wrestling skills of Stone Cold and Shelton Benjamin. But on the other hand, who will be remembered more, Austin or Benjamin?

 

[Batistafan90]

HBK all the way. Don't know how any one can put cetard in the same rank as HBK. But who knows

Cetard= a man who has more enjoyment of applying the STFU and sucking other mans cocks, then actually enjoying women.

HBK=future hall of famer, legend

 

[|ronM|ke]

I have to go with Shawn Michaels on this one. I've always liked HBK ever since he was in The Rockers. That match those two had on RAW for like an hour or so was awesome. Shawn Michaels is going to be in the Hall of Fame, and you can bank on that.

 

[Luke_loki]

Both are similar as their movesets are limited and they tend to do their moves in a certain order, i couldnt care much about either wrestler but i guess Shawn Michaels gets the edge due to experience although in the long run i think Cena will be a bigger draw than HBK.

 

[CelticPride101]

this is horrible terrible john cena shawn michaels? michaels is a legend soon to be in the hall of fame cena? who knows i definetley know hes not a legend and who knows 10 years down the road even if he will get the nod for the hall of fame my point michaels is definetley wayyy better in there match at wrestlemania 23 michaels made the match worked he made it good cena didnt sell the knee injury at all only reason michaels dosent have the title around his waist is 1. hes injured 2. he wants the young people (the cena's orton's kennedy's etc.)to get a title reign well good for him

 

[BarbwireBallz]

Ok all the matches you said classics or not classics just the Raw match between John Cena and HBK now that was a Raw classic match. So happy that Cena finally lost a match and we all know in the end that the better man was HBK he always delievers a great match and bust his ass every time he steps in the ring always looks good in the ring against anybody and nobody will say "boring" during the match like John Cena vs Great Khali or Batista vs Great Khali yes we all know Khali sucks but in the ring with Shawn Michaels nobody will say boring because he is the showstopper the icon the main eventer a the first grand slam champion Mr. Wrestlemania and last a future hall of famer...damn that guy did it all and he all damn well deserves it. Now a classic match is Flair and Steamboat that my friend is a classic.

 

[dj4m33l]

Its a disgrace to have Cena compared to HBK who is one of the best performer, even though I am not such a big fan of HBK because I am a true Bret 'The Hitman' Hart fanatic.Cena is just cartoons for -5yrs kids.At present the ones that can really take WWE forward are Edge,MVP,Orton and of course our new party host Y2J Raw Jericho-we miss him, wrestling miss him. Save_us_222

 

[Ace.]

Shawn Michaels by far. He's tremendously talented, has great mic skills and is over in the right way with the fans, whether he be face or heel. John Cena on the other hand is above average in the ring, moderately entertaining (to me) on the mic and in his promos but can't get over in the right way... a top babyface champion isn't suppose to receive heat, which is what Cena is receiving, which pretty much led to my decision. Also, HBK has been involved in many 5 star matches whilst Cena is yet to be in any I think.

 

[Kliq]

I was very afraid when voting, for fear Cena may have edged out my personal favorite wrestler of all time. Thank God the margine is as wide as it is. I don't want to sound as if Cena might not someday garner the same respect as HBK, but for now there is no comparison. Cena's 'five moves of death' or whatever they're called are so predictable you know what is coming next. HBK, at his age, is still diving through the ropes and taking hard spots that you know have got to be killing him. Cena needs to pull up his shorts a little if he wants to gain my respect, and maybe throw out a new move or two once in awhile like I have seen him do in the past for a little variety. God forbid he should mix up his routine.

 

[Playmaker]

Shawn Micheals at his prime. I dunno y they made john cena look so good the past few years to the point where know one wants to see him as champ anymore. Whatever happened to wordlife. Thats also why Raw ratings are going down because Cena has beaten everyone and there is no longer competition for him. Management was talking about even bringing Smackdown wrestlers to fight John Cena because they couldn't think of anyone else for him to feud with.

Triple H-been there done that
Shawn Micheals-been there done that(he might be retiring)
Umaga-Been there done that
Carlito-LOL
Mr. Kennedy-again LOL but not as much
King Booker-Whats with his accent
Randy Ortan-Doing right now

Sorry I kind of got of topic but Shawn Micheals was a better Champion and wrestler all together. But you can't compare them to how they are now. HBK is a middle aged man past his prime. Cena During his prime.

So i say shawn micheals.