Who The Hell Just Attacked Hogan/Sting? [All Aces and Eights Discussion]

[EdReed]

I suggest you watch it again, because there's no way on earth that the guy with the long hair being shoved out was Kendrick. The guy was jacked. Kendrick is a scrawny, twig of a thing. If anyone, the only got that could have been would have been Gunner, but he also didn't have full sleeves, so I highly doubt that as well.

Fact is, I don't think anyone can truly predict who this group is going to be composed of. The masks and vests are doing a fantastic job of blurring whatever recognizable traits we might have been able to find.

I agree with you about the masks. I re-watched the attack on youtube and I'm still guessing. I'm sure one is Jerrett. I think one is Chavo. I'm sure the guy with the skull mask is Luke Gallows or Murdock. All of those are just guesses, though.

 

[It's Damn Real!]

They're guesses based on the theory that this would all be predicated on Jarrett returning, with a group of AAA or RKK stars as a means to take back TNA, or punish them for not inducting him first into the Hall-of-Fame, etc. — all of which are sound in logic, but honestly, considering the culmination of the "They" angle, I don't think any of us can really say with any certainty exactly what's going to happen here. Ultimately they're all guesses, some with more logic than others, but guesses nonetheless.

I'm personally a fan of the idea of it being Jarrett, upset over the fact Sting was inducted first into the Hall, coming with RKK talent to wage what could end up being a pretty decent inter-promotional war between two "rival" companies (despite the fact that both are owned and operated by TNA in reality).

It'd be really nice to be able to essentially develop a talent swap whereby TNA could bring in RKK stars into TNA for angles/runs and ship out other talent in return as a means to co-promote both feds.

 

[kingk12]

I suggest you watch it again, because there's no way on earth that the guy with the long hair being shoved out was Kendrick. The guy was jacked. Kendrick is a scrawny, twig of a thing. If anyone, the only got that could have been would have been Gunner, but he also didn't have full sleeves, so I highly doubt that as well.

Fact is, I don't think anyone can truly predict who this group is going to be composed of. The masks and vests are doing a fantastic job of blurring whatever recognizable traits we might have been able to find.

No I think the one who was the second one out the door with the dirty blonde hair was Brian Kendrick. Watch the video below and the one in the flannel is certainly Luke Gallows. Also I believe the one on the ramp in the glasses is Konnan. (If what everybody else is saying that this is a group from AAA).

[YOUTUBE]V_B_b4yFWpc[/YOUTUBE]

 

[Pera]

This group is a bikie gang or it is presumed so. So people suggesting Luke Gallows may very well be correct. But Chavo Guerrero? He wouldn't be a bikie's shoelace. But then again, I suspect this could be an invasion of some sorts, as 11 people were used at the ending of the episode. I can't see TNA debuting 11 guys at a time or having a stable that big so hopefully it's AAA with Konnan and Jarrett leading the way.

TNA are doing a great job with hiding these these characters. Usually dirt sheets are all over something like this but no one has any idea. Pretty cool!

 

[shattered dreams]

Aside from that last guy out the door probably being Gallows I got nothing. TNA is doing a good job with this story. I don't think they should, or would, do this but a WWE rejects stable mad they can't get a job anymore would be pretty funny. If the Undertaker showed up I would Nate my pants in a second but that isn't happening. Interested to see where this goes because the sheer number of people has certainly got my attention.

 

[snoopy]

This is a takeover angle, The Wrestler's that attacked Sting the first time were nowhere around this time. So that says to me a large group of wrestlers following someone's orders to takeover Tna. And I don't think it's Jarrett or Bischoff.

The Interesting thing to me is that Dave lagana first tweeted that the Aces and 8's were coming and then he quickly deleted the message. That could mean nothing or it could mean a great deal? I have a idea of who it is but I will just keep it to myself at the risk of being called an idiot. Again, lol!

Could Lagana be working for his Mentor?

 

[TheZman]

The guy with the blonde hair was too jacked up to be Kendrick and there wasnt 11 guys. The guys who came out to the arena to attack Sting were the same guys that attacked hogan in the back. They just didnt show the whole group in the back and some of the guys added some clothing before going into the arena to attack Sting. The attack of Hogan Im sure was pre recorded, so the guys had the time to change and it made it seem like it could have been a larger groupl of guys

 

[IT Factor]

Honestly, I'm indifferent to this storyline so far. They haven't really done anything major to make this stand out or make it "must-see". They should've done something similar to what WWE did with the Nexus and had them completely decimate TNA. Not just Sting or Hogan specifically. Beating down has-beens isn't gonna impress me and TNA should've known better than that. I'll give this whole "Aces & Eights" thing a shot, but, initially it looks like a flop right outta the gate.

 

[shattered dreams]

This is a takeover angle, The Wrestler's that attacked Sting the first time were nowhere around this time. So that says to me a large group of wrestlers following someone's orders to takeover Tna. And I don't think it's Jarrett or Bischoff.

To me it looked like the guys that got Sting last time were the ones that got Hogan this time plus the guy that delivered the message. Contray to what Zman is saying, the guys that attacked Sting this time were different.

The Interesting thing to me is that Dave lagana first tweeted that the Aces and 8's were coming and then he quickly deleted the message. That could mean nothing or it could mean a great deal? I have a idea of who it is but I will just keep it to myself at the risk of being called an idiot. Again, lol!

Could Lagana be working for his Mentor?

If you are referencing Heyman then no. Then again I am not a Lagana expert. If Lagana did tweet that then it seems highly likely ROH or Ring Ka King tie in but that isn't really anything that wasn't already guessed.

 

[TheZman]

What I was saying Shattered Dreams is that The group that attacked Hogan and Sting on the 7/12 Episode, they used the same guys in the back with the Hogan attack as they did on the arena floor with Sting. I watched it over and over in super slow motion and you can tell that 4 of the 6 guys in the arena attacking Sting were the 4 guys that they showed in the back they just made some adjustments to there clothing for some reason (probably to throw people off and to disguse them better when being in front of the live arena crowd) The footage of Hogan being attacked on the big screen was clearly pre recorded giving the group plenty of time to change. They also only showed "the end or part of" the attack of Hogan which Im sure "involved" the whole gang but the footage only showed the last 4 leaving the room. If you watch it over in slow motiion you can clearly see that the 4 guys shown in back were part of the six shown attacking Sting moments later in the arena. And if you look at the footage of the 3 man attack from a few weeks back you can also easlily tell that those 3 were back in the latest episode joining the 3 new guys as a part of the latest attack. The more I think about it and read other peoples opinions I deff gatta go with my original thought (and most othere peoples) of J Jarrett leading a group. Most likely a mix of RKK,AAA, former WWE, and/or old TNA.. A group of guys like.....Masters, Gallows, Konan, Kendrick, Chavo, MVP, Chris Harris,....John Morrison hopefully, and Batista would be sweet but thats surely a PIPE DREAM!

 

[snoopy]

To me it looked like the guys that got Sting last time were the ones that got Hogan this time plus the guy that delivered the message. Contray to what Zman is saying, the guys that attacked Sting this time were different.

Those guys wasn't the guys that attacked Sting! Those were all totally different guys, Most of these guys were smaller than the original three except for the last guy in Hogans office who was obviously Isish Cash/Luke Gallows, Chavo and Brian Kendrick were there aswell attacking Sting on the ramp

If you are referencing Heyman then no. Then again I am not a Lagana expert. If Lagana did tweet that then it seems highly likely ROH or Ring Ka King tie in but that isn't really anything that wasn't already guessed.

Well that's my guess could be wrong but also could be right. What's the chances probably low but I personally wouldn't be shocked because this my prediction! I Think this is going to be a huge storyline with a huge payoff!

 

[EdReed]

I was just watching the WWE Edge Documentary and I got to thinking, what if the guy everybody thinks is Jerrett is Edge. He refused to sign a legends deal with WWE and He's friends with Hogan in real life. I don't think it's likely to happen but what if Spike TV made a deal with Edge to come in to TNA.

 

[MINISTRYrising]

i have a felling that it could be guys from ovw. The guy with the long hair reminded me off Raphael constantine but i could be wrong. if it is him and the other guys are from ovw as well. then i hope the other guys are cliff compton,jamin olivencia, jessie godderz,rudy switchblade,trailer park trash and shiloh jonze. they would be brought in by double j to take his company back. i may be wrong but i hope thats what happens.

 

[GameOver]

watching it, the guy that was attacking Sting on the ramp looked alot like Jeff Hardy or someone who looks very similar in hair style and color and there was a guy in the background looking wearing a hoodie a brown mankind like shirt and a abyss like mask, gee.....

not followed OVW since it stopped being the WWE developmental territory so if it's guys from there well i wouldn't have a clue who they were.

not saying it was meant to be Jeff and Abyss just as usually happens with "masked" assailants in wrestling, it's usually people already on the roster doing double duty until they can work out who is gonna fill the role on a regular basis.

 

[snoopy]

Honestly, I'm indifferent to this storyline so far. They haven't really done anything major to make this stand out or make it "must-see". They should've done something similar to what WWE did with the Nexus and had them completely decimate TNA. Not just Sting or Hogan specifically. Beating down has-beens isn't gonna impress me and TNA should've known better than that. I'll give this whole "Aces & Eights" thing a shot, but, initially it looks like a flop right outta the gate.

Oh yeah shame on Tna for not impressing ''YOU""? And copy the Nexus just so people like you can just comeback and say "I wasn't impressed because it was a Nexus rip off".Why are wrestling fans these days so selfish and impatient. You all ready got it flopping and you haven't seen enough to say either way.

 

[IT Factor]

Oh yeah shame on Tna for not impressing ''YOU""? And copy the Nexus just so people like you can just comeback and say "I wasn't impressed because it was a Nexus rip off".Why are wrestling fans these days so selfish and impatient. You all ready got it flopping and you haven't seen enough to say either way.

Screw you, dick! I was simply saying that this whole thing so far has been uninteresting. I'm sure I'm not the only TNA fan that feels that way. You also happened to glaze over the end where I said I was willing to give this storyline a shot. Guess you were too busy being a self-righteous douche to actually read what I said before quoting to bitch about it.

 

[snoopy]

Screw you, dick! I was simply saying that this whole thing so far has been uninteresting. I'm sure I'm not the only TNA fan that feels that way. You also happened to glaze over the end where I said I was willing to give this storyline a shot. Guess you were too busy being a self-righteous douche to actually read what I said before quoting to bitch about it.

Now,Now, Name calling will get you nowhere. Well obviously I read your whole post or I wouldn't mentioned flopping, Now would I?

Ok that being said, Good give it a chance without predetermined ideas and maybe the story has a chance of working for you. People don't let stories finish or even get half way through it before they start bashing it and I truly thought that's what you were doing. But damn dude stop contradicting yourself.

Either it's going to flop and it just started or you're going to give it a chance. Which is it? If you deep down inside already think it's going flop what chance are really giving it?

 

[shattered dreams]

What I was saying Shattered Dreams is that The group that attacked Hogan and Sting on the 7/12 Episode, they used the same guys in the back with the Hogan attack as they did on the arena floor with Sting. I watched it over and over in super slow motion and you can tell that 4 of the 6 guys in the arena attacking Sting were the 4 guys that they showed in the back they just made some adjustments to there clothing for some reason (probably to throw people off and to disguse them better when being in front of the live arena crowd) The footage of Hogan being attacked on the big screen was clearly pre recorded giving the group plenty of time to change. They also only showed "the end or part of" the attack of Hogan which Im sure "involved" the whole gang but the footage only showed the last 4 leaving the room. If you watch it over in slow motiion you can clearly see that the 4 guys shown in back were part of the six shown attacking Sting moments later in the arena. And if you look at the footage of the 3 man attack from a few weeks back you can also easlily tell that those 3 were back in the latest episode joining the 3 new guys as a part of the latest attack. The more I think about it and read other peoples opinions I deff gatta go with my original thought (and most othere peoples) of J Jarrett leading a group. Most likely a mix of RKK,AAA, former WWE, and/or old TNA.. A group of guys like.....Masters, Gallows, Konan, Kendrick, Chavo, MVP, Chris Harris,....John Morrison hopefully, and Batista would be sweet but thats surely a PIPE DREAM!

I disagree but who really knows. I just don't see the Gallows-esque guy out with Sting for example. I also think you might be mixing kayfabe and not kayfabe to reach your conclusion. The show is supposed be viewed as live and those people came from a different direction and were wearing different clothes. Kayfabe that means they are supposed to be different people IMO. Aces and 8s could suggest 8 followers and two aces for around 10 to 11 people if there was also a leader.

Well that's my guess could be wrong but also could be right. What's the chances probably low but I personally wouldn't be shocked because this my prediction! I Think this is going to be a huge storyline with a huge payoff!

Can't fault that. I just don't see Heyman getting off the Lesnar gravy train anytime soon.

I was just watching the WWE Edge Documentary and I got to thinking, what if the guy everybody thinks is Jerrett is Edge. He refused to sign a legends deal with WWE and He's friends with Hogan in real life. I don't think it's likely to happen but what if Spike TV made a deal with Edge to come in to TNA.

I briefly considered an Edge involvement but I kind of doubt it. I didn't hear about the legends refusal but that does make it more interesting. My super dark horse is Austin as ridiculous as that sounds.

 

[Dead-Angel]

i dont like the storyline at the moment to me it looks like another of those tna bullshit stories just like with daniels/styles boring shit now they have this and its not what tna needs now!!! with aries winning the title tna needs to focus on building stories around him and most important thing build them in the main event, not leave these holes at the end of the show

 

[IT Factor]

Now,Now, Name calling will get you nowhere. Well obviously I read your whole post or I wouldn't mentioned flopping, Now would I?

It was a case where I thought extreme names warranted being called to get my point across. I don't care whether people like what I post or not. If you don't agree with what I'm sayin', it's all good.

Ok that being said, Good give it a chance without predetermined ideas and maybe the story has a chance of working for you. People don't let stories finish or even get half way through it before they start bashing it and I truly thought that's what you were doing. But damn dude stop contradicting yourself.

This storyline hasn't been going all that long, which is why I said I was willing to give it a shot. But, I also notice that this storyline is kind of dragging slowly with no real build. How is that contradiction? It can be both at the same time. In all fairness, it's mostly Sting's fault. He hasn't been on television to keep the week-to-week advancement going. The other part of it is lousy booking. You have to make an immediate impact to make something this big really take off. I've seen nothing to indicate anything like this thus far.

Either it's going to flop and it just started or you're going to give it a chance. Which is it? If you deep down inside already think it's going flop what chance are really giving it?

I never said it will flop. What I did say is that this storyline has been "uninteresting" so far. While I will remain optimistic that it will pick up and lead to something great, I'm also being a realist. Usually when things start out this slow and uninteresting, it generally degenerates from there. Hopefully, I'm wrong and this "Aces and Eights" will totally revolutionize TNA. It could happen. Anything could happen though and that doesn't guarantee that it will.

 

[TheZman]

----Shattered Dreams----" I disagree but who really knows. I just don't see the Gallows-esque guy out with Sting for example. I also think you might be mixing kayfabe and not kayfabe to reach your conclusion. The show is supposed be viewed as live and those people came from a different direction and were wearing different clothes. Kayfabe that means they are supposed to be different people IMO. Aces and 8s could suggest 8 followers and two aces for around 10 to 11 people if there was also a leader. "

SHATTERED....The show is supposed to be viewed as live but it is VERY easy to pre-record something that happens in the back and then play it on the BIGSCREEN as LIVE. As far as them coming in from a different dirrection...I believe the story is that they are sneaking in the arena (KAYFABE how else would they get in and around?) If you notice they have yet to enter the arena throught the backstage enterance and other than the unmasked guy delivering the note(SPEAKING OF ISNT THERE ANYONE OUT THERE WHO RECOGNIZED HIM FROM SOMEWHERE? OVW?)and the attack on Hogan But, like I said I watched closley at the rewound tape in slow mo and they guys from the back were deff the same guys in the arena attacking Sting with some added bodies. It would make no sense to bother having a different group of guys come to the arena and if something is going go happen in the back "LIVE" wrestling promotions almost ALWAYS pre-tape the segments...that way they can make sure they come off 100% correct...why have something air live when you can tape it in back to make sure it comes off right and nobody is going to know its not live...makes sence right?

The idea you have about the 2 and 8 sounds logical and would make for a good part of the angle. I have a feeling they may not know who this group is going to be entirely made up of yet. I read today that they used Gallows and former FCW talent Wes Brisco as a part of a recent attack but they are probably only using them as bodies. I can see that with some of the people but not all. Gallows, I think is a lock. I starting to think that Jarrett may not be behind this, it may be a grould of guys from FCW and WWE that were let go and the angle would be that TNA wouldnt hire them either. They approched Sting when he was in charge and Hogan when he took over and neither would hire them. Now they are back for revenge. The angle could also include Bischoff where he was about to sign all these guys when he lost power, now he is leading them back as the leader of the group,

I really like the angle, it has me hooked. But I always have been a fan of invasion angles...NWO,ECW,Nexus. Im not tired of them yet. If they change up some of the elements and storylines it could come off very interesting. They are doing it right with all the mystery surrounding it and the cliffhanger endings. Thats good writing and good TV. Im getting real anxious to find out the identities though, Im hoping they dont go too much longer without exposing at least a few guys. Its starting not to make sence that nobody has come to the aid of anyone being attacked. If they did it would be real easy to unmask some of the guys, its not like they are wearing tight wrestling masks.

 

[RonPerezHereGuys]

IM really hoping that Claire is behind the A's and 8's...maybe she is like DIxie's black sheep half sister,Bob Carter had a drunken affair one night with some Lot Lizard in Florida,and now the Carter family is trying to shut her up...So Claire,hires all these wrestling rejects to fuck shit up in TNA and demands half of the company from Dixie or she will reveal another huge secret...Im thinking the big reveal is that Juanita Carter(is that her name) is not only Dixie's mother,but also her sister...You know kinda like Chinatown but with a wrestling ring...

There would be alot of screaming and crying going on and tons of confusion...Maybe they show a fan that is so shocked by the turn of events that he throws up on the guard rail...Mike Tenay is saying "Holy Shit" over and over again as the show fades!

If TNA does use this angle,ill probably end up suing them.I dont want to now,but a *****'s gotta eat

 

[Jack-Hammer]

With what happened last night, I have a very bad feeling that we're about to have another faction war/power struggle storyline going on. Since Aces & Eights seem to be going after everybody now instead of putting their focus just on Hogan and Sting, it's certainly started down that road and that's a damn shame.

TNA has been much better as a whole since it moved away from that tired, repetetive angle that it was doing over and over again. With Aces & Eights basically going after everybody, by the looks of things, the only thing to probably counter it will be to gather a relatively loose alliance of wrestlers to combat them. They went after Angle, the Gut Check competitor, Austin Aries & Bobby Roode. The fact that they kept hinting that Roode might be involved with them all night was a dead giveaway that he wasn't in on it.

I'm hoping against hope that this doesn't come about the way that, at least for now, it's looking to go. I just can't get excited about yet another faction that's coming to take over TNA. It's extremely lame and, in my opinion, was really just dragging the company down before.

 

[IT Factor]

With what happened last night, I have a very bad feeling that we're about to have another faction war/power struggle storyline going on. Since Aces & Eights seem to be going after everybody now instead of putting their focus just on Hogan and Sting, it's certainly started down that road and that's a damn shame.

I feared this would be the case. Another nWo substitute for a makeshift alliance of TNA guys to combat. Unless there's a damn good backstory, it is pointless.

TNA has been much better as a whole since it moved away from that tired, repetetive angle that it was doing over and over again. With Aces & Eights basically going after everybody, by the looks of things, the only thing to probably counter it will be to gather a relatively loose alliance of wrestlers to combat them. They went after Angle, the Gut Check competitor, Austin Aries & Bobby Roode. The fact that they kept hinting that Roode might be involved with them all night was a dead giveaway that he wasn't in on it.

While I kinda see elements of an nWo type of faction, I also see that it seems they borrowed some concepts from the Nexus. If done right, it's a good thing. If done wrong, it's simply a carbon copy with no reason. I hate it when announcers oversell something. The fact that Tenay was shouting that Roode was behind it tipped everyone off that he wasn't. Taz did a good job tryin to play it coy but Tenay totally ruined any surprize element. This is a major problem for TNA and has been for quite some time. I hate Mike Tenay and think he should be replaced as soon as possible. There are alot better announcers that could all do a better job than him.

I'm hoping against hope that this doesn't come about the way that, at least for now, it's looking to go. I just can't get excited about yet another faction that's coming to take over TNA. It's extremely lame and, in my opinion, was really just dragging the company down before.

The problem is that different "factions" have been trying to take control of TNA since its beginning. "Kings of Wrestling"[Jarrett, Hall, and Nash]. Latin America[different incarnations]. Immortal. Fourtune. And now Aces & Eights. To me, it looks like some writer was watching Sons Of Anarchy and decided to copy that look and merge that idea with the Nexus storyline. When the best part of this storyline was the "Aces and Eights, motherfucker!" line the guy shouted at Angle, this is doomed to fail. I am the first to admit that having a faction is a good idea if done right. I actually liked the Main Event Mafia and hoped they would be the ones to kill Immortal. But Aces & Eights has been uninteresting as I said before and it doesn't look like it's gonna change anytime soon.

 

[Eyrothath]

I bet Joey Ryan is behind this whole Aces & Eights thing!