What's the point of being "kayfabe" on Wrestlezone Forums?

[Ambiguous Turd]

I won't even quote Sid's post in my reply because I really don't care about what he wrote. And I'll repeat myself again, I'm not only picking on him. As a matter of fact, this thread spawned from someone else that I'll keep nameless. However, since Sid does it too and is aware that I noticed, I didn't want to lie to everyone and make you all think that he wasn't included in all of this. I'm honest. That's the REAL me.

So I'm sorry if I struck a nerve, Sid. I really wasn't aiming this at you. However, I won't pull my punches about the subject, either. If you're guilty of it, you're guilty. But in the same way that you say no one will change their ways as it pertains to acting kayfabe, I'm not going to get over the fact that it pisses me off.

Either way, I'll think twice before I judge someone's character on here.

I know who's real on these forums, and I don't mind calling them out. IC25, Norcal, and CH David are definitely three of them. There may be more, but they aren't on the top of my mind right now.

It's a shame that the list isn't longer. Really, it is. Reality check, people.

As I said, the Internet is an escape for many people ... to be the way they wish they could be in public, without wearing a mask. I don't think that is necessarily being "kayfabe" in any way.

But nothing you do or say is going to make those people who wish to use the Internet as an escape, conduct themselves any differently.

 

[Nitafrong]

I have never consciously played a role while I have been on here. I'm really not on enough and I don't think I would be able to play games like that for any length of time.

However I would say I sort of agree with what Lord Sidious is saying. While not dilibertly doing so I think most people here tend to be slightly different from how they would be in real life. Not having to see people, or have to be really accountable for your words is a great release for some people and I can see how this might slightly exaggerate their words. I tend to always feel sorry for someone when I think they are being picked on or ganged up on so that probably is slightly exaggerated here where I feel the need to stand up for people if the forum turns against people. I also don't think I am quite as soft as people percieve me but then thats everyones opinion I suppose

 

[Mighty NorCal]

If anyhting, im a bit toned down on here. The NorCal experience is 10x crazier in real life

 

[Ambiguous Turd]

If anyhting, im a bit toned down on here. The NorCal experience is 10x crazier in real life

By D-Man's definition then, this would be a case where someone is acting kayfabe on here, because they still aren't being their true selves and the way they really act.

That is why I disagree with his definition of "kayfabe" in the sense he is using it.

 

[D-Man]

As I said, the Internet is an escape for many people ... to be the way they wish they could be in public, without wearing a mask. I don't think that is necessarily being "kayfabe" in any way.

But nothing you do or say is going to make those people who wish to use the Internet as an escape, conduct themselves any differently.

I can honestly give two squirts of piss if people change or not. I'm venting the fact that they make themselves look like imbeciles by being someone they're not.

Call it "venting", an "escape", and what have you... either way, if they don't do it outside of the internet then it's NOT REAL. Fake people disgust me.

However I would say I sort of agree with what Lord Sidious is saying. While not dilibertly doing so I think most people here tend to be slightly different from how they would be in real life. Not having to see people, or have to be really accountable for your words is a great release for some people and I can see how this might slightly exaggerate their words. I tend to always feel sorry for someone when I think they are being picked on or ganged up on so that probably is slightly exaggerated here where I feel the need to stand up for people if the forum turns against people. I also don't think I am quite as soft as people percieve me but then thats everyones opinion I suppose

Nita, I hear ya. Totally. This is the best explanation I've heard in regards to my issue. But acting one way because a person isn't in front of you and acting another way when they are is like talking about someone behind their backs... it's really two-faced... hence, it's FAKE.

 

[D-Man]

By D-Man's definition then, this would be a case where someone is acting kayfabe on here, because they still aren't being their true selves and the way they really act.

That is why I disagree with his definition of "kayfabe" in the sense he is using it.

Norcal was being sarcastic. And believe me, that's being the REAL him.

 

[Miko]

I am far more nervous and reserved on here than I am in real life, the idea of being who you want to be on here instead of real life I find ridiculous. Be who you want to be in the real world, you know, where it fucking counts.

 

[D-Man]

Maybe if half of you reflected the confidence you show on these forums in real life you'd be 10x ahead of the curve.

Guys that sit here and act all tough and shit would probably wet themselves if they came face to face with me outside of here. They talk shit in the bar room and hide behind the laptop that mommy bought them.

I stand by everything I've ever written, said, or thought on these forums as being an extension of my real personality. I'd hate for all of you to respect me for the wrong reasons.

 

[Viola Moonlight]

I did play a kayfabe role, but that was to cover for my shit attempts at humour.

Otherwise what you see is me, because I am real.... I am DAMN REAL!

 

[Razor]

I'm a sarcastic little douchebag in real life. I may not troll people like I do JKO, and I may be a little nicer when I'm out and about, but other than that, you're getting Razor. I curse an awful lot, and sometimes start arguments just to start arguments. Ala anytime I bring up Punk being shit in the Bar Room. It's usually to get Xfear to show up in a thread that sorely needs more X.

Other than that, I might have said "Heel Razor" a few times. But that's more to characterize my latest posting style, in that people were getting on my nerves and I was shitting on them. Not that I wouldn't normally do that, but that I was doing it more often because more people annoyed me.

Now, anything else you want me to explain, D-Man? You've got me all day. Fayetteville is about to get rocked by ice and snow up our asses.

 

[D-Man]

Other than that, I might have said "Heel Razor" a few times. But that's more to characterize my latest posting style, in that people were getting on my nerves and I was shitting on them. Not that I wouldn't normally do that, but that I was doing it more often because more people annoyed me.

But why "play a heel"? Your real self isn't good enough to respond to someone's thoughts about a subject of conversation? Are you some kind of coward?

And I'm not trying to be a dick... I'm being honest. You, as a person, aren't good enough to put someone in their place on something? You have to hide behind a shadow of your real self in order to get a point across? In my eyes, that makes a person weak and cowardly.

 

[D-Man]

In real life, I may surprise you. I consider myself one of the nicest people around. But that's until someone pisses me off... then I could be your worst nightmare.

I've stood up to and fought guys twice my size. Then again, I've walked away from fights against people half my size.

I can sit down with you and have a conversation about music and current events, or I can be at a bar pouring beer down my throat and crushing beer cans on my head.

I've been considered my my friends as somewhat of a hybrid personality... and I wouldn't change it for anyone, anything, or any fucking wrestling forum.

 

[Coco]

I'm real, D-Man. Really socially awkward. At least that's what the people brave enough to come close tell me. Honestly, I'm like this in real life. Some people go for it. Other people think I have a psychological disorder. We'll see about that. Or not. Probably not.

Good thread, though. I dig it.

 

[PsychoWard]

I agree with D-man.

I've written a fraction of the posts most people have on here, but read thru the forums daily. The reason I do this. Because I want to stay real to who I am. I'm no expert, no statistical genius on wrestling history or Creative member. I'm just a 26 year old, who likes watching wrestling whose wife thinks he's nuts for it.

So when I do post it's because it got my attention and I feel half way comfortable discussing it, without seeming like I'm pulling shit out of my ass.

But I do enjoy reading all the people's post who have the knowledge to discuss, argue or banter about topics. They have have earned that right, because they have invested time into this entertainment.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

What I meant, Sid, was that the experience of being around me turly cant be conveyed over a computer

 

[Gelgarin]

Yeah; I've re-evaluated the situation and am happy to say that Gelgarin is 100% fake. Yep. Hell, even Gelgarin is real life is pretty fake. I put a lot of effort into portraying myself as I would like to be seen, and I'm pretty certain that entry level psychology dictates that everyone else is doing the same thing.

It's nice to think that we're all 100% genuine and true to our inner flower children, but we're not, and anyone who protests otherwise is spewing bullshit. We adapt our behaviour to fit in with whatever society we are a part of. We adapt our characters depending on who we are talking to (friends, family, strangers on the internet) so that we can present the image that we think they want to see.

I think the revelation that, when presented with total anonymity, a lot of people step this up a notch is hardly shocking. The internet is a pretty liberal communication medium with a very low cause to consequence ratio, and as such people can quite harmlessly act pretty much however they want. Even D-Man here, by making this thread, is saying to the world "Look at me, I'm a genuine person".

Personally I post/act in whatever way I think is going to bring the most entertainment at the time. In real life I could give a flying fuck if a bunch of people I've never met in my life respect the contributions of Pat O'Connor to the professional wrestling industry - but it's potentially entertaining to pretend that I do... so that's how I post.

I've probably mentioned Lou Thesz to another living human being about five times in my entire life. But it's entertaining to manufacture a level of fanaticism on the subject. It makes posts more interesting to write, and probably more interesting to read as well.

Those are toned down examples; but it's essentially exactly the same as what you're accusing people of. I probably don't take it as far as Slyfox or Disco did; but since they were both infinity more entertaining than me, I wouldn't base judgement on that fact.

People come here for different reasons. If you're here to forge friendships or construct a relationship then a legitimate bravo for you, and I can see why you'd care about being true to your true life persona.
Personally I'm here because I find debating professional wrestling an amusing past time during a wet Sunday afternoon, and I'm curious: who the fuck gets hurt if I throw a bit of a persona behind my posts?

 

[Coco]

Guys that sit here and act all tough and shit would probably wet themselves if they came face to face with me outside of here.

Believe you me, that has more to do with your ability to use my scawny ass as a javelin than any shortage of confidence on my part.

 

[Coco]

I put a lot of effort into portraying myself as I would like to be seen, and I'm pretty certain that entry level psychology dictates that everyone else is doing the same thing.

As an entry level psychologsy-ish type person, I can confirm this.

 

[Remix]

I'd like to think that I'm the same on here as I am in real life (though my pesimistic outlook makes me think that if I met any of you in reality you'd tell me i'm not). I admit that I may be a bit more of a shit online, because you can get away with it more easily (though this is more of a point on another forum I visit where forum moderation is lax to say the least. Here atleast you're held to account for what you do wrong). The views I express online are the same as the ones I hold in real life though.

If I do have an e-gimmick it's not anything I was setting out to create though.

 

[Tastycles]

It's nice to think that we're all 100% genuine and true to our inner flower children, but we're not, and anyone who protests otherwise is spewing bullshit. We adapt our behaviour to fit in with whatever society we are a part of. We adapt our characters depending on who we are talking to (friends, family, strangers on the internet) so that we can present the image that we think they want to see.

I actually don't do this. I could explain why, but I don't really want to. The long and the short of it is that I genuinely am not interested in relationships with people. What little is left of my family are going to love me anyway, and my girlfriend fell for me as this apathatic character, and I don't give a shit about anyone else or making new relationships. A lot of people think I'm autistic, and while I'm not sure that's right, it's true that I analyse everything numerically, to a level I don't care to divulge. I genuinely don't care what people think, but it is a lot more of a hindrance than people who usually say that would have you believe.

 

[Remix]

Well, you're either autistic or a sociopath. Pick the answer that makes you feel best.

 

[Tastycles]

Well, I don't hate people, so I'm not a sociopath. The real reason, if you must probe me so, is that my mother died when I was young. Apparently, apathy towards people is a classic result of that, so there you have it.

 

[Remix]

Fair enough. Though, for the record I wasnt being entirely serious with that post.

Dont take that as me fobbing it off as a 'heel post' it's a case of me meaning one thing when I typed, and you interpreting it as someting different when you read it. With text based communication, things can very easily be taken in the wrong context.

 

[The Doctor]

I'm myself.

 

[Tastycles]

Fair enough. Though, for the record I wasnt being entirely serious with that post.

Dont take that as me fobbing it off as a 'heel post' it's a case of me meaning one thing when I typed, and you interpreting it as someting different when you read it. With text based communication, things can very easily be taken in the wrong context.

Oh totally, that's probably the only thing I do alter from speech to text, the amount of sarcasm. Americans aren't very good with it anyway, and in text it can be very difficult. I didn't think you were being serious, to be honest, for some reason I answer a lot of sarcasm literally. Must be a closeted American.