For the first time in a while WWE is trying to feed over the majority of the fans reactions. Such as something different than Cena and the overwhelming lack of character direction of Cena. Some fans want to bring up the Make-A-Wish claim but wasn't Mysetrio a top MAW attraction and I don't remeber too many title runs for him. You want Cena last cause he is part of the most important piece of WM 28 along with his reactions of being put in certain situations to possibly turn him heel for a short while leading up to Mania. Anybody that thinks Cena will not get booed out of Miami should stay away from R-Truth's stash!
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What WWE Really Thinks About CM Punk..
- Thread starter lilnev2009
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Two things. First off, look up Muphry's law. It owned you multiple times.
Second, Punk's reign in the summer was a major success. It got him over like we haven't seen anyone get over since probably Cena. He still gets very large pops from the live crowd, and sells a ton of merchandise. In fact, he sells more at this point than Cena. He is a major player and the reason for it is the angle that he did over the summer, where the WWE let him be himself, probably have a little control over his storyline, and talk without a script. If the WWE wants wrestling in general to be popular, they have to end the scripted promos and allow guys to express themselves in their promos and characters. Mind you, this is not just me saying it. There is a YouTube video with Stone Cold saying that exact thing. If they want Punk to be THE guy, which they may not even want, they have to let him say things that the fans want to hear. He can and should be the face of the WWE, but he needs to be booked in better wrestling feuds and be allowed to speak a little bit more freely. He needs to be himself, which is what got him to be a success in the first place.
CuddleBuns84
The Wrestling Sex Machine
Well I have an answer to your ratings question. It's called Monday Night Football. That's a huge draw for the last oh let's say.... 4 months. Just like the year before that.
One of the big problems with the Punk Storyline, was HHH and Kevin Nash. The Nash and Punk feud was at a decent start... Then Pow! It's HHH is pinning CM Punk. Not too bright by the booking committee.
Now, granted the problems with the storylines, HHH stepping in and out. It was quite hurtful. Yet... Punk still delivered good promos, and put's on good matches. When I watched MNF, I would switch over when CM Punk was on, cause his promos actually make you feel someone is actually giving a damn about the business not just a pay check.
Not also that, but wasn't it just a month ago, CM Punk out sold John Cena merchandise. Just plant the seed known as CM Punk and let it grow. Keep watering it, and see what happens. It's going to be better then when people think. Austin 3:16 took a year in a half to take off, and look what happen after that. Stone Cold made so much money, he was able to afford a divorce, and retire comfortable.
On top of that. Punk is one of the most entertaining aspect's of Raw. If it wasn't for Punk's promos months back, we would still have the same old John Cena battling for the belt storyline.
One of the big problems with the Punk Storyline, was HHH and Kevin Nash. The Nash and Punk feud was at a decent start... Then Pow! It's HHH is pinning CM Punk. Not too bright by the booking committee.
Now, granted the problems with the storylines, HHH stepping in and out. It was quite hurtful. Yet... Punk still delivered good promos, and put's on good matches. When I watched MNF, I would switch over when CM Punk was on, cause his promos actually make you feel someone is actually giving a damn about the business not just a pay check.
Not also that, but wasn't it just a month ago, CM Punk out sold John Cena merchandise. Just plant the seed known as CM Punk and let it grow. Keep watering it, and see what happens. It's going to be better then when people think. Austin 3:16 took a year in a half to take off, and look what happen after that. Stone Cold made so much money, he was able to afford a divorce, and retire comfortable.
On top of that. Punk is one of the most entertaining aspect's of Raw. If it wasn't for Punk's promos months back, we would still have the same old John Cena battling for the belt storyline.
lilnev2009
Occasional Pre-Show
Um.of course they would put Vince and Bret confrontation as the main event due to Bret being back for the first time in years. Vince and the wwe listened to what the cave dwellers of the iwc wanted in putting the strap on Punk and what happened? People didn't watch and started watching even less. ADr had the strap but he never proclaimed himself the face of the company. PUNK DID. he as usual thought more of himself then anyone in the company did and they were right. People come on here crying about how the product is stale but when the company does something you like and want u still don't watch. Cody Rhodes comes on and people watch cause his matches are top notch. Punk cant carry a brand let alone a company which is why he needs to go somewhere. You guys defending punks reign as if he has done something is laughable. HIS 15 MINUTES HAVE COME AND GONE AND NO ONE CARES. DO you think if cena or orton had said I want ice cream bars that Vince wouldn't have given them too them? Punk is fortunate that everybody who would be a viable champ is out. You defend punk saying the ratings were already in the tank, WELL HE HAS HAD THE STRAP OR BEEN IN THE TITLE PICTURE SINCE LAST SUMMER AND THE RATINGS HAVE STILL NOT RISEN. So explain that? Explain why Punk comes out every week and says the same damn thing every week? He wanted change and he has gotten it in the form of people changing channels and the title changing hands. CENA HELD THE STRAP CONSECUTIVELY FOR MONTHS WITHOUT IT CHANGING WHILE LAST YEAR PUNK HAS LOST HIS TITLE ALMOST EVERY OTHER MONTH SINCE HIS REIGN....I WONDER WHY....
Are some people this dum? So Punk is suppose to carry a storyline when creative completely missed the whole point of the original concept of the storyline. Nobody is watching Punk but somehow his merchandise within the last year has gone up nearly 180%. Nobody is watching Punk but WWE is preparing a DVD for Punk. Cena has carried the ball so well they can't get a rating of a 4.0 unless a legend came back to host Raw. Cena is doing so well why is the Rock going to carry Mania for two straight years. Cena is so well by early projections next year at this time he won't even be in the Top 10 of WWE Merchandise. If Punk is so damn bad let him go back to ROH as the face of that company with no limitations. Let him wrestle not entertain and within two years ROH would put TNA and DGate out of business!
yoshi_doce2006
Getting Noticed By Management
Too many people on here have forgotten or just flat don't know what a real professional wrestler is suppose to be. Someone who can tell stories with their mouths and ring work. Yes, yes we know that John Cena is the Tim Tebow of professional wrestling, the goody two shoes who has the intangibles but when it comes down to being the guy who performs out on the field/In the ring he just isn't that good.
CM Punk is all that but isn't as physically strong and has tremendous in ring skills. Punk is an OLD FASHIONED WRESTLER, with skills as such, not a sports entertainer. People have been drinking the new generation coolaid so long they done forgot what that is.
CM Punk is all that but isn't as physically strong and has tremendous in ring skills. Punk is an OLD FASHIONED WRESTLER, with skills as such, not a sports entertainer. People have been drinking the new generation coolaid so long they done forgot what that is.
JohnJohnson
aka JuanJuanson
CM Punk: Vince, I'm leaving after my contract is up.
Vince: What? Why?
CM Punk: I don't like the way I'm treated and I'm not getting the attention and recognition I deserve.
Vince: Are you kidding me? I gave you the 3 World Heavy Weight titles, the ECW title, Tag titles, IC title, 2 slammy awards, that stupid stable you wanted, and the lead role of Nexus. Hell I even let you be a commentator while you were injured. I've never done that for anyone.
CM Punk: I am the best damn wrestler in the world and I deserve to be the top guy. I deserve to be the WWE champion and main even all the Pay Per Views.
Vince: hahaha you had me going there for a while. Did Hunter put you up to this? He's such a prankster.
CM Punk: (stares at Vince)
Vince: Oh God. You're actually serious.
CM Punk: You need me. Jericho is gone. Edge retired. Taker won't wrestle full time.
Vince: (Is this guy really blackmailing me?) What would I need to do to keep you.
CM Punk: Well for starter's I want a new shirt that tells people I'm the best wrestler in the World. Then I want you to allow me to vent my frustrations on the air. Then I want you to give me new music and make me a face. No, the top face! I want to beat Cena and get the WWE championship. I want to take his place in the Main Event on Raw and in the PPVs. I want to lose and immediately re win the belt so I can raise my title reign count. Oh yea and give me a boss to feud with like Austin.
Vince: Wow. Is that all?
CM Punk: No I also want my ice cream bars. And you're going to have to pay me more money.
Vince: Don't you think that's a bit much? What's next. You're gonna ask me to break Kayfabe on TV?
CM Punk: Actually yes. That's exactly what I want to do.
Vince: Why the hell would you want to do that?
CM Punk: The IWC marks will love me and I'd be a god to them.
Vince: (damnit. I can't lose this much star power) Fine Phil you got a deal. I'll give you everything you want.
CM Punk: Seriously? i want it in writing.
Vince: Yes(but you're gonna pay for this damnit). I'll have the contract written up for you this week(I can't believe this is really happening).
(Punk leaves.)
(Vince picks up phone)
Vince: Get me Chris Jericho!(I'll show that arrogant punk).
I think that's why Jericho came back. I think that's why Punk is losing matches to Ziggler. I don't really think Punk is going to last long in the title picture and can almost guaran-damn-tee that he will end up on Smackdown later this year. I liked Punk and I thought he was one of the few talented performer left on Raw. I thought he was arguably the best in-ring performers at the time, but I think this thing has gone way too far. Does anyone actually want another unbeatable super face that cracks corny comments and takes up the first and last segments of every show? Wasn't this the big issue with Cena? Isn't this what made Orton stale? I understand there are a lot of people out there that fell in love with his worked shoot and you will come to the rescue and demonize anyone who doesn't think he's working as the top guy. I still think Punk is a great wrestler but he doesn't need to be force fed to us. He was fine where he was before IMO and this mega push kinda ruins him for me. He hasn't brought about any actual change, and his promos are getting stale and boring.
Vince: What? Why?
CM Punk: I don't like the way I'm treated and I'm not getting the attention and recognition I deserve.
Vince: Are you kidding me? I gave you the 3 World Heavy Weight titles, the ECW title, Tag titles, IC title, 2 slammy awards, that stupid stable you wanted, and the lead role of Nexus. Hell I even let you be a commentator while you were injured. I've never done that for anyone.
CM Punk: I am the best damn wrestler in the world and I deserve to be the top guy. I deserve to be the WWE champion and main even all the Pay Per Views.
Vince: hahaha you had me going there for a while. Did Hunter put you up to this? He's such a prankster.
CM Punk: (stares at Vince)
Vince: Oh God. You're actually serious.
CM Punk: You need me. Jericho is gone. Edge retired. Taker won't wrestle full time.
Vince: (Is this guy really blackmailing me?) What would I need to do to keep you.
CM Punk: Well for starter's I want a new shirt that tells people I'm the best wrestler in the World. Then I want you to allow me to vent my frustrations on the air. Then I want you to give me new music and make me a face. No, the top face! I want to beat Cena and get the WWE championship. I want to take his place in the Main Event on Raw and in the PPVs. I want to lose and immediately re win the belt so I can raise my title reign count. Oh yea and give me a boss to feud with like Austin.
Vince: Wow. Is that all?
CM Punk: No I also want my ice cream bars. And you're going to have to pay me more money.
Vince: Don't you think that's a bit much? What's next. You're gonna ask me to break Kayfabe on TV?
CM Punk: Actually yes. That's exactly what I want to do.
Vince: Why the hell would you want to do that?
CM Punk: The IWC marks will love me and I'd be a god to them.
Vince: (damnit. I can't lose this much star power) Fine Phil you got a deal. I'll give you everything you want.
CM Punk: Seriously? i want it in writing.
Vince: Yes(but you're gonna pay for this damnit). I'll have the contract written up for you this week(I can't believe this is really happening).
(Punk leaves.)
(Vince picks up phone)
Vince: Get me Chris Jericho!(I'll show that arrogant punk).
I think that's why Jericho came back. I think that's why Punk is losing matches to Ziggler. I don't really think Punk is going to last long in the title picture and can almost guaran-damn-tee that he will end up on Smackdown later this year. I liked Punk and I thought he was one of the few talented performer left on Raw. I thought he was arguably the best in-ring performers at the time, but I think this thing has gone way too far. Does anyone actually want another unbeatable super face that cracks corny comments and takes up the first and last segments of every show? Wasn't this the big issue with Cena? Isn't this what made Orton stale? I understand there are a lot of people out there that fell in love with his worked shoot and you will come to the rescue and demonize anyone who doesn't think he's working as the top guy. I still think Punk is a great wrestler but he doesn't need to be force fed to us. He was fine where he was before IMO and this mega push kinda ruins him for me. He hasn't brought about any actual change, and his promos are getting stale and boring.
yoshi_doce2006
Getting Noticed By Management
For one, funny as hell. Second the WWE is talking about sending Punk to Smackdown since Randy Orton's injury. I heard that they feel that Smackdown is in big trouble without Orton and feel they need to replace his star power with someone who has an equal to larger fan base.
I agree. Punk is so over rated by the internet fans. They think he is the second coming! Yes, I like Punks work, he is good to watch and listen to but lets not kid ourselves, he will never reach the level that Cena has. He just doesn't have 'it'. He doesn't have widespread appeal.
Punk has really gone down in my estimation, I thought he would stay inbetween face and heel and a rebel like Austin was but he is a full blown babyface. The high five with Cena a few months ago was the exact moment he once again became a company bitch. He lost his edginess, plain and simple.
If Punk never competed in ROH, half the nerds on here wouldnt give 2 hoots about him. Same goes for Daniel Bryan.
Punk has really gone down in my estimation, I thought he would stay inbetween face and heel and a rebel like Austin was but he is a full blown babyface. The high five with Cena a few months ago was the exact moment he once again became a company bitch. He lost his edginess, plain and simple.
If Punk never competed in ROH, half the nerds on here wouldnt give 2 hoots about him. Same goes for Daniel Bryan.
Funny that you ignore most of my post and just focus on what arrange you which is Bret vs VInce. You failed to mention that Orton vs Kingston went after it and you failed to mention that this year OF COURSE KANE HAD TO BE LAST HE WAS BURNING THE FREAKING RING! And the fact that last year the title match didn't went last. No matter why it didn't went last for the last 2 years, your big opinion was when has the title match not be last, I gave you 2 examples that just like this year had reason no to go last and you want to make excuses for them but not for this year.
Punk has not been in the title picture since the summer he was out of it for a month or two, but anyway. At this point you are clearly a troll or a pure Punk haters who won't admit that he is wrong no matter how many FACT he is presented with, because his BIASED OPINIONS prevent him to do so.
Fine live in your fantasy world while the rest of us see the product and guy for what he is (not God and not a jobber, but one of the top 3 guys in the company who is the most interesting thing in wrestling this year... well last year).
No need to argue with you anymore as you don't want to argue you just want to try to scream your opinion louder and louder to pass it as fact. Good day to you.
Mustang Sally
Sells seashells by the seashore
Yes, because that was the thrust of his message to us, no? He's been telling us he's the greatest wrestler on the planet and I find it ironic that many fans can "love" C.M. Punk while "hating" John Cena. With Cena, you get what you see, that's for sure. With Punk, no one knew what we were going to be seeing because he seemed to be exploring uncharted territory.
I didn't think he could sustain the kind of excitement and mystery he was bringing last Summer and, sure enough, he couldn't. Yes, he's still an interesting character, but it's hard to know what WWE "really" thinks about him because no one knows how much input Phil Brooks himself actually had into the development of his own character. Did he really threaten Vince McMahon with leaving, as illustrated in the dialogue between the two that appeared in an earlier post? Or has Punk just been an actor playing a role that was written for him by Creative?
Many folks on this forum claim to "know for a fact" that he did it all by himself (or not) but the fact is that no one knows for sure. It's hard to believe McMahon would allow someone to totally control his own on-air character when Vince wouldn't grant that exclusivity to anyone else. Are you going to tell me that guys like Triple H, Mick Foley and Steve Austin had to follow orders while Phil Brooks was allowed to dictate the direction of everything that involved him? I'll never believe that.
One speculation: If it was true that Punk really was dissatisfied with his role in WWE...... what if he had carried through his threat and left? Suppose Vince had let him leave? What would Punk be doing now? Would he be sitting cross-legged in the center of the ring in front of 150 fans at Wheeling Junior High in West Virginia, wondering how he could have overestimated his importance in the scheme of WWE programming? Or would WWE have had to close their doors because C.M. Punk had deserted them?
If you go strictly by ratings, you might say that Punk leaving had no effect, up or down. If you look at merchandise sales, maybe letting him go was a bad idea.
But I'll say this: Whether the whole "new direction" was Punk's idea, Creative's idea, or a combination of both......it sure was an exciting Summer. But after promising us he was going to turn the wrestling world upside down, I wonder what Punk is thinking now.
Not a mark at all my good sir. Was Cena's fued with Del Rio any better? Certainly not. Only thing memorable about Christian's fued with Del Rio was that it was the "culmination of a lifelong dream" other than that, nobody gave a sh*t. Rey Mysterio Vs. Del Rio was trash as well. My point is, if the fans don't care about who you're going up with, and crowds are DEAD when your opponent walks down the ramp, it's not your fault. You can't turn poop to applesauce my friend. No difference between Punk and Cena? Who's the one who got booed out of the Arena last night? Sure wasn't Punk. Besides that, have you noticed that he is the ONLY one besides Cena who could say "BITCH" and not get future endeavored? But he's conforming? Sorry friend.
You are just a Dolph Ziggler mark who can't understand that the guy is simply NOT ready for the gold. He gets NO reaction without Vickie, and is barely average on the mic. But you'd rather have him carry the company instead of Punk?
You are, as Jericho would say, "Hypocrite and a germ incubator."
I am not trying to start a fight or anything i just disagree(just want to get that out the way) but i would also have to say CM Punk is not as good as he was during and before the summer.(notice the before part) CM Punk was my choice to win the RR last year i wanted him to win so bad because i was entertained by him because I still was in love with the Straight Edge character. I am not a fan of the breaking kayfabe promos. I want entertaining character. All i am saying is i want is that CM Punk would be an interesting character(like i want for Cena).
you guys are missing the point.. cm punk always says on tv and even on interviews that he will bring the wwe to greater heights..
2 championship runs and 6 months have passed and nothing has changed and at times even worsened.. i know that stars are built over time like austin and rock but the man has his word to keep and he hasnt delivered yet.. not even progressed.. in short he hasn't delivered..
and c'mon he had programs with hhh, cena, awesome truth and adr.. these are the top guys already in wwe.. even if it is scripted cm punk can still do stuff to amaze fans.. but again so far he hasn't delivered his promise..
2 championship runs and 6 months have passed and nothing has changed and at times even worsened.. i know that stars are built over time like austin and rock but the man has his word to keep and he hasnt delivered yet.. not even progressed.. in short he hasn't delivered..
and c'mon he had programs with hhh, cena, awesome truth and adr.. these are the top guys already in wwe.. even if it is scripted cm punk can still do stuff to amaze fans.. but again so far he hasn't delivered his promise..
Change takes times, it doesn't happen overnight especially when you are facing dinosaurs in a company who's been sucking for way more than 6 months.
We knew he's had good programs with Cena and HHH and could even had a good one against Nash but ADR no one care about that guy even Cena couldn't make an interesting feud with him the last time.
And most of the time Punk is in kayfabe in interview and you want him to say what live on Raw it's his gimmick, whether he deliver or not is not like he had a written contract with you or that you have to believe and hang to EVERYTHING he says.
To me even if he is less interesting than he was in the summer and I blame booking 100% for that he is still the most interesting thing to watch with Kane and Ziggler. Punk shouldn't have been book against the new days corporation of Miz, Truth, Nash and Ace. Instead he's been booked in dumb feud and all the interesting angle were dropped (even the HHH vs Punk resolution was weak and the walk out angle).
The WWE finally look like they will turn Ace for real not trying to be a face when we all know he's a heel. Ace need to commit himself and cost Punk the title he could then have Ziggler in his corner or another superstar and really have a Punk vs establishement that we were suppose to have, because a rebel without a regime to fight is not really exciting.
I agree about the booking thing. Its mostly their fault but it is his fault also. He is not as interesting as he used to be. Im not some IWC type of person who says anybody that can wrestle better then Cena should be champion and is interesting. If they are boring they are boring.(ADR is prove of that) Punk just needs a good gimmick and needs to stick with it.
I agree mostly with you, but to me Punk is still interesting, I don't think he is boring but I also think he is not giving a lot to go with. Punk hasn't change but like I said a rebel without a cause or a rebel without establishment can't be really interesting in the first place. But his characters, mic skills and gimmick hasn't change from the summer.
A good Poker player can't win all the time if he is handed bad hands after bad hands.
But we can agree to disagree as I see that like me you are open to discussion and want to like Punk, you just don't like him that much like you did in the summer and it's ok. For me Punk has been my main reason for watching wrestling still since when he started in ECW. I won't back him up no matter what, but if I enjoy him, for me there's a reason. I won't try to convince myself he is the best or worst, I enjoy him it's all.
You make good points.(The poker player thing was a good example) I dont know if you read my post on here earlier but i said that i wanted Punk to win last year's rumble and the reason i said that is because he is guy that can be one of the top. I agree that Punk needs people to support his character so they can play off each other like Stone Cold and Vince. What i guess needs to happen is that the writers need to take some time and think things out first. CM Punk is not given good tools and the same goes for Sheamus.
Sorry for the disrespect man, I just really wanted to use the Jericho line on somebody. I respect your opinion. I liked punk better as the S.E.S. heel myself, and his feud with cena while in Nexus was awesome too. I just don't think you can pin all the blame on him.
For starters, I actually like Punk. His character is cool, mic skills are the best right now, great, great Wrestler. He's pretty much the reason why I'm even still watching the WWE right now.
What I DON'T like is when people start comparing him to Austin. I think that's why some people start to not like him because they don't want to see a guy like Punk being compared to their Attitude Era Hero Stone Cold Steve Austin. He is not the second coming of Stone Cold Steve Austin. Their attitudes couldn't be anymore different.
I think the only time Austin lost anything was when he was injured and was out for like a year. The Rock's popularity grew to insanely large proportions. He came back and started getting pops like he never left.
People just need to realize that the Attitude Era is the past. That Golden Age of Wrestling is probably never coming back. This is the present and right now CM Punk and John Cena are the faces of the WWE.
I don't think CM Punk's character lost any sizzle either. It really depends on who he's feuding with. His banter with Laurinitis is ok at times, but nothing like when he was heel and just ripped everybody on the mic. Now, he's trying to be rip people, but in a way to play to the fans. I think when he starts feuding with Jericho, we're gonna see some of the best mic work between two greats.
What I DON'T like is when people start comparing him to Austin. I think that's why some people start to not like him because they don't want to see a guy like Punk being compared to their Attitude Era Hero Stone Cold Steve Austin. He is not the second coming of Stone Cold Steve Austin. Their attitudes couldn't be anymore different.
I think the only time Austin lost anything was when he was injured and was out for like a year. The Rock's popularity grew to insanely large proportions. He came back and started getting pops like he never left.
People just need to realize that the Attitude Era is the past. That Golden Age of Wrestling is probably never coming back. This is the present and right now CM Punk and John Cena are the faces of the WWE.
I don't think CM Punk's character lost any sizzle either. It really depends on who he's feuding with. His banter with Laurinitis is ok at times, but nothing like when he was heel and just ripped everybody on the mic. Now, he's trying to be rip people, but in a way to play to the fans. I think when he starts feuding with Jericho, we're gonna see some of the best mic work between two greats.
The more i read these post the more i see that you cant blame it all on him. 80% of it goes to the writers because simple things like him keeping the title during and after Summer Slam would make he better already. If the spot light was on him and not on HHH and ADR Punk might be more interesting
I find it hilarious at DZ marks now i think the guy has talent and his shot at ME is good but it should be short term he isn't ready for gold and he has alot of work to be done outside his wrestling, i think he will get there. But lets say he took gold from Punk the now DZ marks would turn on him quicker than milk goes sour. Fact why because he isn't ready some people say Punk is worse on mic now? really?! maybe because he's face and the majority of IWC (hate that term) like the way heels garner heat, it's far harder to be entertaining as face, Punk is doing fine, WWE not following through on storylines hasn't helped his momentum, the conspiracy angle was pure gold really and they screwed it. Trips has a poor fued with him one PPV match that HHH won, why really why? to put Punk in his place trying to make him seem like he ain't number one? BS!
manstis1804
Pre-Show Stalwart
Punk has had pretty much nothing to work with. The Miz, Alberto Del Rio, Johnny Ace? He's got to get a shot at having a big time program with someone he can draw money with. Miz and Del Rio were damaged goods, damaged by the fact that they had already put Punk over during his babyface push, and also by both being one dimensional and cutting the same promo every week. Punk hasn't been very interesting as champion, but there's no better options and he hasn't had a credible heel to feud with. Here's hoping it's Jericho.
Going back on CM Punk's push now would be like drafting a quarterback, throwing him in with a terrible offensive line and no wide receivers, and then blaming said quarterback and demoting him. I'm from Cleveland. Seen it plenty of times.
Going back on CM Punk's push now would be like drafting a quarterback, throwing him in with a terrible offensive line and no wide receivers, and then blaming said quarterback and demoting him. I'm from Cleveland. Seen it plenty of times.
Jericho got booed at the end becauseTHIS WAS EXACTLY THE REACTION HE WAS AFTER. Jericho is clearly returning as a guy better than the rest, with a HUGE ego and chip on his shoulder. He is returning as a fully fledged arrogant prick HEEL. If WWE used their brains, Jericho left the compnay storyline wise when Orton punted him in the head two years ago. With Orton down with a back injury, wouldnt the martest thing to have been writing Orton into Mondays Raw, and have Jerichos return con-incide with Orton doing something and Jericho, still without talking, laying waste to Orton. The buzz would have been huge, he gets his heel heat, and then the following weeks he can go about without verbally acknowldeging his actions.
As for this topic, CM Punk has been a breath of fresh air and the only reason I bother watching anynore. Kane and the flames under the ring HAD TO GO ON LAST, common sense. The way WWE booked Jerichos return, it had to be thrown in somewhere and Punks match with Ziggler had to close the first hour. CM Punk is brilliant, the storyline with Nash and HH was completely destroyed when Nash could not get a clearance to wrestle at NOC,. thus the HHH vs Punk match scheduled for Survivor Series was rushed ahead two months. HHH could not lose as he had only just become COO. Punk taking three opedigrees and a jacknife powerbomb before being pinned put him over further. The current plan was to keep Punk busy until Jericho returned, Laurinatis is getting massive heel heat and will be shown to have brought Jericho back. With him behind Jericho, Punk automatically goes uop further in the popularity stakes. Ziggler is not ready for the WWE Title, he will win MITB ta this years Wrestlemania.
As for this topic, CM Punk has been a breath of fresh air and the only reason I bother watching anynore. Kane and the flames under the ring HAD TO GO ON LAST, common sense. The way WWE booked Jerichos return, it had to be thrown in somewhere and Punks match with Ziggler had to close the first hour. CM Punk is brilliant, the storyline with Nash and HH was completely destroyed when Nash could not get a clearance to wrestle at NOC,. thus the HHH vs Punk match scheduled for Survivor Series was rushed ahead two months. HHH could not lose as he had only just become COO. Punk taking three opedigrees and a jacknife powerbomb before being pinned put him over further. The current plan was to keep Punk busy until Jericho returned, Laurinatis is getting massive heel heat and will be shown to have brought Jericho back. With him behind Jericho, Punk automatically goes uop further in the popularity stakes. Ziggler is not ready for the WWE Title, he will win MITB ta this years Wrestlemania.
Every anti punk post on this site is the same, and its absolutly hilarious how much in denial the punk haters are. Over and over its always cm punk is sloppy, cm punk can't draw, ratings are down because of cm punk, cm punk can't be the face of the company, or my personal favorite is the oh cm punk is just an internet darling argument.
The fact of the matter is cm punk is NOT just an IWC darling, HE'S THE WWE CHAMPION! I highly doubt that the hundreds of people in attendance wearing cm punks shirt every week are all IWCers (or 10%ers if you will). He gets the loudest pop of the night EVERY WEEK. He puts on the best, albeit most unorthodox matches EVERY NIGHT. (Speaking of unorthodox and sloppy, could you imagine cm punk vs rvd?) There's no arguing that he's at least top three. And he will be for a while. Will he be bigger than cena? Probably not, but he could be. In the summer of 1999 when the rock first turned babyface and started getting all of the attention did people think he would be bigger than stone cold? Maybe, but probably not... sound familiar? The rock didn't overtake austin until 2001. It takes time. Besides, we all know cena isn't going anywhere. And you should hope that punk doesn't either. These two guys work great together, and should continue to have a great back and fourth rivalry for a few years. Just like rock and austin did. And unlike with orton, who I don't think cena has as good of chemistry with, I don't think people will get tired of punk vs cena... as long as they're both babyfaces and don't fight all the time.
One more thing I think is hilarious is people coming onto a wrestling website, thinking up a username and password, finding a topic to post about and saying "all you IWCers are the same, the IWC is dumb, the IWCers think they know everything." Etc. Newsflash guys, if you're on the internet and you post on wrestling websites, you're part of the IWC. Get over yourself.
One more thing, people have been saying for the past almost 10 years... as long as cena's been on top. They've been saying WWE needs to build up new stars. They need to give someone else a shot besides cena. Someone else should be the champion. Cena wins too much. Now they are TRYING really hard to do that. They're trying to go in a different direction, and the same people complain that did before. Its almost as if anyone who WWE tries to push, no matter how loved the guy is whether it be on here, or just in general they are not worthy of being the face of the company. And I think it stems from the two guys I talked about earlier. And I think it proves a point that I made probably close to a year ago in a thread I posted, that the attitude era did more to hurt wrestling than to help it. I need to revisit that and post a new thread on it.
Sorry, this post was all over the place. You guys get the gist of it tho.
The fact of the matter is cm punk is NOT just an IWC darling, HE'S THE WWE CHAMPION! I highly doubt that the hundreds of people in attendance wearing cm punks shirt every week are all IWCers (or 10%ers if you will). He gets the loudest pop of the night EVERY WEEK. He puts on the best, albeit most unorthodox matches EVERY NIGHT. (Speaking of unorthodox and sloppy, could you imagine cm punk vs rvd?) There's no arguing that he's at least top three. And he will be for a while. Will he be bigger than cena? Probably not, but he could be. In the summer of 1999 when the rock first turned babyface and started getting all of the attention did people think he would be bigger than stone cold? Maybe, but probably not... sound familiar? The rock didn't overtake austin until 2001. It takes time. Besides, we all know cena isn't going anywhere. And you should hope that punk doesn't either. These two guys work great together, and should continue to have a great back and fourth rivalry for a few years. Just like rock and austin did. And unlike with orton, who I don't think cena has as good of chemistry with, I don't think people will get tired of punk vs cena... as long as they're both babyfaces and don't fight all the time.
One more thing I think is hilarious is people coming onto a wrestling website, thinking up a username and password, finding a topic to post about and saying "all you IWCers are the same, the IWC is dumb, the IWCers think they know everything." Etc. Newsflash guys, if you're on the internet and you post on wrestling websites, you're part of the IWC. Get over yourself.
One more thing, people have been saying for the past almost 10 years... as long as cena's been on top. They've been saying WWE needs to build up new stars. They need to give someone else a shot besides cena. Someone else should be the champion. Cena wins too much. Now they are TRYING really hard to do that. They're trying to go in a different direction, and the same people complain that did before. Its almost as if anyone who WWE tries to push, no matter how loved the guy is whether it be on here, or just in general they are not worthy of being the face of the company. And I think it stems from the two guys I talked about earlier. And I think it proves a point that I made probably close to a year ago in a thread I posted, that the attitude era did more to hurt wrestling than to help it. I need to revisit that and post a new thread on it.
Sorry, this post was all over the place. You guys get the gist of it tho.
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Mid-Card Championship Winner
The reality of the situation is that CM Punk is not as big as John Cena nor is he as big as Chris Jericho.
Cena is WWE. He doesn't need the belt to be relevant or to be the main event of every RAW. I can't stand this but it's the reality of the situation.
I like Punk as much as the next guy but you'd be a fool to think Jericho isn't a bigger name than Punk.
What was wrong about it is that they've basically admitted this and it was evident on RAW. Even if it's not reality, they should have had the championship match as the Main Event.
Show us that the belt is relevant. Show us that your champion is the most important guy on the roster.
Instead they just copped out and basically said "yeah Jericho's return and Cena's story with Kane is bigger than the WWE championship."
What they've done is devalue CM Punk but also the WWE Championship itself.
Cena is WWE. He doesn't need the belt to be relevant or to be the main event of every RAW. I can't stand this but it's the reality of the situation.
I like Punk as much as the next guy but you'd be a fool to think Jericho isn't a bigger name than Punk.
What was wrong about it is that they've basically admitted this and it was evident on RAW. Even if it's not reality, they should have had the championship match as the Main Event.
Show us that the belt is relevant. Show us that your champion is the most important guy on the roster.
Instead they just copped out and basically said "yeah Jericho's return and Cena's story with Kane is bigger than the WWE championship."
What they've done is devalue CM Punk but also the WWE Championship itself.
