What was the point of Edge's heel turn?

[RealityCheckPlz]

I dont think this was a "heel-turning action".This is really the same old Edge doing what Edge always does. I mean Undertaker is always chokeslamming other faces, but its not because he's turning heel, it's just what he does. Edge vs Orton would be a phenominal "tweener" fued. Crowds will get hot with back and forth Edge/Orton chants and such. Good stuff in my book.

 

[Isaac Kaye]

I didn't see this latest episode of RAW but I would think it was very unlikely they would want to change Edge heel so soon after trying to the get him over as a face. Perhaps it was a way of throwing him straight into a legit feud with Jericho, but I doubt it.

What I will say is that after watching the Extreme Rules match I was not convinced by Edge's status as a face. I don't think it's true that he's got no heat as a face, the crowd went nuts when he came out, and they seem to like this whole 'spear' business. The problem is that he pretty much killed all his heat with the way he finished the match. I mean, I almost felt sorry for Jericho and was glad when the match actually ended. The crowd were completely flat!

Maybe creative aren't convinced by him yet and are seeing what reaction he gets by screwing Orton. Orton gets a massive pop from the crowd everywhere he goes and he's changed his moveset a bit to suit the style of a face - but nowhere near enough yet. He did a great job of putting Swagger over at Exreme Rules though.

 

[salopstick]

because of the injury they had no choice to bring him back as heel, especially due to the pops he had at the rumble

they had planted the seeds for an edge jericho match when edge was injured so had to carry the story through

drafted to raw means they can do a heel turn that makes sense at the right time

 

[RatedRSuperstar84]

I hope it is a heel turn because the "Ultimate Opportunist" thing worked much better for him and got more heat than crowd reaction as a face. In my opinion Edge and The Miz are the two best right now at knowing how to get under the crowd's skin.

Of course he was going to be a face when he returned. It was the logical thing to do. Fans generally pop huge for someone when they return from an injury after a long absence; heel or face.

Edge as a heel has always gotten more fan reaction than as a face. They did what they needed to do with him and now he needs to be a heel again; simple as that. Kids saying, "Spear!" bores the ever living hell out of me and I think this is a good move.

 

[SaveUs_Y2J]

To be painfully honest the reason is he sucked as a heel but I agree with big_daddy_24 wtf why so soon hes not long back well it doesnt feel like it anyway hes face for 2 months or so and hes heel again and he just got a face catchphrase say bye bye to SPEAR SPEAR SPEAR!!!!

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

I'm not going to automatically say that Edge has turned heel based off of one action. I wonder if Edge screwed Orton because he got the title shot over him against Swagger at Extreme Rules. I'll wait to see a couple of weeks but if he does turn heel, then I'll be disappointed for many reasons.

Since Edge has been drafted to RAW, you have three heels with Jericho, Batista, and Edge. Way too many and Jericho should have stayed on Smackdown in my opinion. Edge as a heel was great the first couple of years but he was getting stale as the Ultimate Opportunist and I saw a face turn as being a great change for him. He was a good midcard face before he got injured in 2003 and he was close to getting those same pops. If he turns heel again, it will just feel boring to me like it has been the last three years unless they ditch the Ultimate Opportunist gimmick and go a whole new route.

 

[izzardceo]

but wasnt edge a heel b4 until he cashed mitb against cena he was a heel b4 and i think it could work again and edge orton could be natch of the yr material and it also keep them 2 out of the main title picture at least 4 a little while maybe until ss

 

[People's Champ]

I think its a heel turn and one that was much needed. He wasn't going over as a face and having him spear Orton was something of an admission to that. He's much better as a heel and a feud with Orton will be great to watch. I have no issues with him turning back as that's exactly how I prefer him. Some guys just need to stay one way and Edge is in that group.

 

[Greenlight13]

Edge DID turn heel, why on earth would he specifically target Orton? It isn't his character (as a face) to randomly interfere in a match. Orton, yes, because his character is Austin-esque, in that he is a law unto himself and is a tweener cheered as a monster face.

Why did they turn Edge? To restore the natural order. When I told my friend earlier he replied "Ah, thaaat's better," and I couldn't agree more. Remember who awful and boring Edge was as a face back in the day? Remember how awesome he's been in the last few years as a heel? Sure, his act got a little bit boring, but even so, he's better as a heel than a face. It's exactly like when Triple H returned from his quad injury and got huge pops, was a face for a few months, and then became a heel again, because he's just better at it.

The bigger question would be why did they move him AND Jericho when one or the other would have sufficed. Neither is good at being the second-fiddle heel, and with Sheamus and Batista (who knows how long he's really staying) lurking about as well, seems a bit odd, particularly as Swagger is now Smackdown's top heel.

Although I'm pretty sure they're loading up Raw with heels so that Cena can have more challengers.... great! More Edge vs Cena! Can we see Orton vs Cena next? How about Triple H vs Orton? Or Edge vs Undertaker? Hell... let's go for the big money, more Batista vs Undertaker.

Ok that sounded bitter... my bad.

 

[Phoenix]

In terms of this situation with Edge, right now, it's hard to comment given that one move doesn't always classify a turn.

When I was at the Smackdown that was on 2 weeks before Extreme Rules, both Jericho and Edge stated their annoyance that Orton shouldn't get the shot but both of them should to keep the title from Smackdown and away from Raw. Now in the end it lead to them getting a match with Swagger but Swagger held strong against both of them (and Orton). Now given Edge was supposed to have an opportunity at the title but lost out because of double countout but also The Hoff naming Orton as the No. 1 Contender, naturally even as a face, you wouldn't feel happy about it. But the important part is that neither Jericho or Edge interacted with Orton regarding the title match prior to Extreme Rules, so this could be making up for something we didn't get beforehand.

So again, we're only assuming but WWE might naturally be using this to spark a long overdue Edge/Orton feud, but I will wait until Raw before I make a judgement.

To answer Greenlight's response about moving Edge and Jericho, with Batista more than liking leaving very soon and Triple H taking time off, Raw needs some big names to fill the void, hence Jericho and Edge being both drafted. In the end whilst I don't agree with that decision either, it gives so much benefit for those potential main event stars who are remaining on SD (ie Christian, Kofi, Swagger, etc).

 

[steveh0481]

I will have to disagree with anyone who says Edge did NOT turn heel last night. He attacked the only face in the triple threat match and caused Batista (one of Raws biggest heels) to win. If that doesnt turn a guy heel, what does he have to do? Randy Orton is one of the most over superstars now. I know the IWC classifies him as a "tweener" but you'd have to be an idiot to think the WWE classifies him as that. To the WWE, he is a face. He has been acting like a face lately, sticking up for HHH. What else does he have to do to be a face in your opinion??? Kiss all the fans rears like Cena? Give me a break!

Ok, enough of my rant, I think this is great to turn Edge here. He was somewhat over with the fans still, and thats the point of a good heel turn. If you are irrelevant (see Shad/Cryme Time) who cares if you turn? A turn only works if you are actually still getting cheers. Asides with Batista reportedly leaving in a month, why not get another big heel to go for the title. With him, Sheamus, and Chris Jericho as your big heels, that stacks the deck with big names that are heels wanting the title, which is exactly how it should be. Heels should ALWAYS outnumber faces.

 

[Super Crazy]

Personally, and I know there have been a few people in this thread that have said this, but I don't believe that Edge has turned heel. I believe this is all a set up to the pay per view after Over the Limit, the one called Fatal Fourway. I think this is to set up a one off match between the two to hold them overand next month we will see John Cena vs Edge vs Randy Orton vs Sheamus since Batista is on his way out. Now I realize this is jumping way ahead here, but I honestly believe after last night that Edge will still be portrayed as a face. But then again, you cannot have to sadistic heels on the same brand.

It was only a matter of time until Edge's thirst for gold turned him heel again though if they should decide to go that route.

 

[albertg123]

edge is bak as a hell! about time. i see him and orton having a fued! and about time raw ended on a cliffhanger wanting the viewers to beg for next mondays raw!! lol and yes miz on his own is pure gold!

 

[secret titan]

edge is bak as a hell! about time. i see him and orton having a fued! and about time raw ended on a cliffhanger wanting the viewers to beg for next mondays raw!! lol and yes miz on his own is pure gold!

WHAT?

I will have to disagree with anyone who says Edge did NOT turn heel last night. He attacked the only face in the triple threat match and caused Batista (one of Raws biggest heels) to win. If that doesnt turn a guy heel, what does he have to do? Randy Orton is one of the most over superstars now. I know the IWC classifies him as a "tweener" but you'd have to be an idiot to think the WWE classifies him as that. To the WWE, he is a face. He has been acting like a face lately, sticking up for HHH. What else does he have to do to be a face in your opinion??? Kiss all the fans rears like Cena? Give me a break!

Ok, enough of my rant, I think this is great to turn Edge here. He was somewhat over with the fans still, and thats the point of a good heel turn. If you are irrelevant (see Shad/Cryme Time) who cares if you turn? A turn only works if you are actually still getting cheers. Asides with Batista reportedly leaving in a month, why not get another big heel to go for the title. With him, Sheamus, and Chris Jericho as your big heels, that stacks the deck with big names that are heels wanting the title, which is exactly how it should be. Heels should ALWAYS outnumber faces.

There is no way Edge is turning face at this time. The WWE doesn't just suddenly make one of their top stars turn in one night. 99.99% of the time they slowly make them change their attitude, or actions to make them more heelish or like a face. The way I see it, and many other people agree, Edge was making a statement that he wanted to be a contender for the title.


Heel turn... Highly doubtful.

 

[dman1373]

its the smartest thing to do. He was an ok face at best. He would have got lost under cena's shadow on raw if he was a heel.

 

[FunKay the Inevitable]

I think this was always the plan. I think they were using HHH's return in 2002 as an example, gets injured as a heel, comes back as a face and wins the Rumble, shortly afterwards becomes a heel again. It's hard to ignore the fact that Edge was basically still playing a heel character with the face traits that character posesses being exploited more (E.G. SPEAR! SPEAR!). The fact is, Raw lacks Main Event heels at the moment and with Batista's imminent departure there would have only been Sheamus but now they have Jericho and Edge. It makes sense and it should be interesting to see in the near future with a possible fued with Randy Orton after the events of Raw.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

Who says that they've turned Edge heel? They may very well put him in a tweener role very much like Randy Orton. Like Orton, I think Edge would be much better suited as a tweener. Also, like Orton, Edge established himself so well as a heel that I just can't buy him as a straightforward face. Ultimately, we'll have to tune into Raw Monday night in order to see which way the wind is blowing and that was the WWE's intention all along in ending Raw the way it did this past Monday.

 

[StraightEdgeJunk]

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[MaverickAZ]

i have no problem with Edge being a heel going forward

i absolutely WILL have a problem with it, if all the sudden Edge/Christian are "buddy buddy", then its like, wtf was the point in the last 3 months

and i just know its gonna happen where they have a tag team match, or one of those 3 vs 3 tag matches down the road where the faces go up against the heels

just stupid, how many heels did they really need on RAW?? i mean now we have The Miz as a heel with the US title, who the heck does he feud with? Evan Bourne?

im totally lost, i really am, Who does Orton have a match with now, ok Edge

who does Jericho have a match with now, ok Cena

who does SHeamus have a match with now ..uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

who does The MIz feud with , uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

after Edge faces Orton a billion times, then what Edge, and Cena, ummmmmmmm ok

then Jericho faces who? uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

IMO, the only thing they can do is have Jericho "snap" out of this corporate , im better than everyone heel gimmick, and go back to the "Y2J', rockstar type character, could bring some much needed humor, and would bring some fresh aspects to a re-feud with Edge, and Sheamus, The MIz, etc

so, IMO, i think its time for Jericho to grow the hair out, and be a face, otherwise its just one big mess

 

[steveh0481]

WHAT?






There is no way Edge is turning face at this time. The WWE doesn't just suddenly make one of their top stars turn in one night. 99.99% of the time they slowly make them change their attitude, or actions to make them more heelish or like a face. The way I see it, and many other people agree, Edge was making a statement that he wanted to be a contender for the title.


Heel turn... Highly doubtful.

After seeing the smackdown tapings, are you willing to concede Edge is a heel or do you still think he's staying as a "tweener"

 

[Mitch Henessey]

After watching the segment between Edge and Christian on Smackdown, I think it's safe to say Edge has turned heel again. There was nothing face or tweener about what Edge said on the mic. I've always thought Edge was a better heel, but I just don't get the point of turning him heel again so soon. He makes this heroic comeback after a very serious injury, WWE builds him up as "the feel good story", and then they turn him into a bad guy again? I knew there was a chance Edge would turn heel again, but I didn't think it would happen so soon.

 

[BWEEZY2009]

I just watched the segment as well..

It is a little bit quick i agree

But I'm apart of who i believe many who think it needed to happen. I'm a big fan of Edge's wrestling and mic skills... but that "spear" gimmick had me changing the channel every time a promo came on. We'll see how hard the push it.

 

[Morpheus101]

Oh well, I was kinda wrong. The spearing of Orton on Raw was a heel turn after all, especially as the events on Smackdown have 100% confirmed that. Oh well, what can I say? Edge was awful as a face, IMO. Even when he came back from injury and won the Royal Rumble, it was like the crowd didn't give a shit. He got cheered somewhat against Jericho, but credit has to go to Jericho for that, because Jericho is a fantastic heel. I'm glad this happened. Edge as a face was awful, boring and ******ed. I'm glad that his face turn was short lived, now I'm looking forward to an Edge/Orton feud on Raw.

 

[Morpheus101]

I just watched the segment as well..

It is a little bit quick i agree

But I'm apart of who i believe many who think it needed to happen. I'm a big fan of Edge's wrestling and mic skills... but that "spear" gimmick had me changing the channel every time a promo came on. We'll see how hard the push it.

Since Batista is possibly on his way out, Edge will take his slot. I have no problem with that. I'm looking forward to seeing how Edge will work with Orton in their inevitable feud. Besides, Edge's mic skills are good, but work better when he's a heel. Let's see the real, cocky, arrogant Rated 'R' superstar back to his former glory

 

[President Evil]

People simply view Edge as a natural heel. That thing between him, Matt, and Lita is still very fresh in people's minds. Even between the Rumble and Mania when Edge used to come out and play the good guy people were a bit hesitant to cheer for him, its like there was almost a silence in the crowd. Because people knew it was just a matter of time for Edge to turn back heel. The clock was ticking.

Its interesting to see how this Edge/Christian story will play out. I would have at least liked to see them tag together a few times. Instead they just went straight to the rivalry. Which is still ok because we'll see some good matches from them. Usually performers who are friends in real life put on a great match because they genuinely know eachother so well, they know what they other guy is going to do next.