What is REALLY the matter with the Daniel Bryan fandom?

[Mr. Artistic guy]

You can't possibly be serious. As soon as you said people cared when he was US champ, you lost all credibility.

Maybe you were somewhere else at the time...?

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Oh the response isn't overwhelming, but he's a face and he's getting an entirely face reaction. Something not true of about 90% of modern wrestlers in the same position.

Almost forgot what Bryan's face actually looked like.

 

[BaconBits]

Maybe you were somewhere else at the time...?

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Oh the response isn't overwhelming, but he's a face and he's getting an entirely face reaction. Something not true of about 90% of modern wrestlers in the same position.

Almost forgot what Bryan's face actually looked like.

These reactions are no different than what Kofi Kingston gets for random US/IC championship reigns.

If Kofi had been the one screwed by Sheamus, then held down, he'd be the one insanely over.

That's the point you just made.

 

[Dan Severn's Moustache]

I'll post an essay on why Bryan is as good as he is soon.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

It's not Lesnar they'd be sick of, it'd be Heyman.

No one should ever be sick of that beautiful man-fetus that it Paul Heyman.

Now that I think of it, if it is true that Heyman cut off his pony tail, we could be talking face turn. Maybe Heyman can feud with his former pony tail.

 

[BaconBits]

No one should ever be sick of that beautiful man-fetus that it Paul Heyman.

Now that I think of it, if it is true that Heyman cut off his pony tail, we could be talking face turn. Maybe Heyman can feud with his former pony tail.

Heyman vs. McIntyre in a ponytail on a pole match.

Book. That. Shit.

 

[Coco]

If Kofi had been the one screwed by Sheamus, then held down, he'd be the one insanely over.

Hypotheticals are fun and all. But if you want to presume to be the adult in this conversation, maybe you should respond to what's happening in reality.

 

[Nate DaMac]

People who think that Daniel Bryan needs the belt at this point aren't very smart.

Once Daniel Bryan gets on top and stays there, the smarks are going to lose interest and turn on him. Tha's what smarks do, they build a guy up just to shit on him later.

That's the whole problem with Daniel Bryan's fanbase.

You're acting like a moron. It's not just the fucking smarks anymore.

 

[Mr. Artistic guy]

These reactions are no different than what Kofi Kingston gets for random US/IC championship reigns.

If Kofi had been the one screwed by Sheamus, then held down, he'd be the one insanely over.

That's the point you just made.

You said nobody cared about Bryan as US champ. People cheered. Case closed.

And Kingston IS over as a face, and if he ever had to take the next step we'd see how he fared then. You're either making the assertion that Kofi Kingston would undeniably get over if given the same treatment as Bryan, or that the only reason Bryan is over is story orientated. As there's no way to prove either thing, it's not really relevant.

 

[BaconBits]

Hypotheticals are fun and all. But if you want to presume to be the adult in this conversation, maybe you should respond to what's happening in reality.

I'm not saying that is what would have happened, I was saying that's what his post equated to.

 

[BaconBits]

You're acting like a moron. It's not just the fucking smarks anymore.

When the smarks turn on him, the causals will follow. Basically the same thing as what happened to get him over.

 

[Coco]

When the smarks turn on him, the causals will follow.

Are you implying that this means it's not worth trying?

 

[Nate DaMac]

When the smarks turn on him, the causals will follow. Basically the same thing as what happened to get him over.

What in the FUCK are you talking about?

 

[Blade]

The "smarks" have began to turn on CM Punk, but he's still beloved by the casual fans.

 

[BaconBits]

What in the FUCK are you talking about?

Daniel Bryan didn't get over until a smarky crowd in Miami decided they hated Sheamus (mind you, DB was the HEEL at the time). The casuals picked up on it and ran with it.

When the smarks inevitably turn on him (and they will when he becomes "the guy") the casuals will again pick up on it and run with it, and it'll be cool to hate on DB.

 

[BaconBits]

Are you implying that this means it's not worth trying?

No, give him a title shot and a couple month run, but they already did try him on the top of the card and by all accounts, it was a financial disaster. Gotta keep it on a short leash.

 

[Nate DaMac]

Daniel Bryan didn't get over until a smarky crowd in Miami decided they hated Sheamus (mind you, DB was the HEEL at the time). The casuals picked up on it and ran with it.

Uh, why are you still saying this when Art literally just showed you that you're wrong?

When the smarks inevitably turn on him (and they will when he becomes "the guy") the casuals will again pick up on it and run with it, and it'll be cool to hate on DB.

And you're basing this off of what exactly?

 

[BaconBits]

Uh, why are you still saying this when Art literally just showed you that you're wrong?

The reactions he posted are typical Kofi reactions. I wouldn't call that main event level over.

And you're basing this off of what exactly?

Let's go Cena/Cena Sucks. That's a total smarktrastic thing that casuals have embraced.

 

[Nate DaMac]

The reactions he posted are typical Kofi reactions. I wouldn't call that main event level over.

But he was over. The Miami crowd certainly boosted him, but the fact remains, that was 2 years ago and his popularity has only grown since then. This isn't a Fandango or Ziggler-like pop because they did something interesting one time that sparked the smark's interest. DB has been consistently over, heel or face, with the entire crowd. Every week. Even if the smarks do turn on him like a select few have with Punk, the casuals will still love DB.

 

[Coco]

No, give him a title shot and a couple month run, but they already did try him on the top of the card and by all accounts, it was a financial disaster. Gotta keep it on a short leash.

The Network changes the game. Overall satisfaction with the product is more important than any one star's effect on month-to-month PPV fluctuations. Not moving to appease the vocal dissenters in the audience at this point would be asinine.

He can get much, much more than a short leash. And considering what a major part of the show he continues to be, I'd venture to say he's more than trusted.

 

[Nate DaMac]

And he headlined a PPV during football season. A lot of people, myself included, don't give a shit about wrestling during football season.

 

[Dirk]

It's not Lesnar they'd be sick of, it'd be Heyman.

I'm sick of both, if that helps.

 

[jmt225]

When the smarks turn on him, the causals will follow. Basically the same thing as what happened to get him over.

The "smarks" never turned on CM Punk, despite holding the belt longer than anyone has since Hogan. Punk turned heel during the middle of it but that didn't matter. Anyone who supported Punk before his reign is still supporting him today. Same thing will happen with Bryan.

This whole "smarks turn on every top guy" thing has gotten really old and it isn't even true. It's something AJ Styles whined about years ago and wannabe IWC detractors have latched on to it ever since.

 

[BaconBits]

The Network changes the game. Overall satisfaction with the product is more important than any one star's effect on month-to-month PPV fluctuations. Not moving to appease the vocal dissenters in the audience at this point would be asinine.

He can get much, much more than a short leash. And considering what a major part of the show he continues to be, I'd venture to say he's more than trusted.

He may be more valuable to the company chasing than actually holding. They could leverage his face love against getting heels over as heels. I mean, they used him to build Bray Wyatt, and it worked in spades.

To continue to effectively be able to use him in that role, he's going to lose more than he wins. If you're losing, you're not champion.

 

[Coco]

He may be more valuable to the company chasing than actually holding. They could leverage his face love against getting heels over as heels. I mean, they used him to build Bray Wyatt, and it worked in spades.

To continue to effectively be able to use him in that role, he's going to lose more than he wins. If you're losing, you're not champion.

That's all lovely in theory. But if people are getting the idea that their voice doesn't matter and that they're continually being fucked in the ass, that's potentially damaging to your brand.

Your lovely little theory is nothing next to the tidal wave of negative perception that this fiasco has been building to for months.

 

[Vega]