What has Macho Man done that keeps him from the Hall of Fame
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Bottom line is Savage deserves to be in the HOF and will eventually in the next few years. So will LOD, Rude, Hennig and HTM. Bruno Sammartino definitely will not be inducted because McMahon pissed him off years ago with progression of "questionable" storylines and stuff that went on during the Attitude Era.
I Beg Your Pardon Dear, Bret Hart is The Best there Is, The Best there Was, AND The Best there EVER Will Be...Period. I LOVE the Macho Man, Truly, and I look forward to him one day being inducted into to the HOF (even if it is a bit of a sham..) However, sham or not I NEVER want to be reading any crap about Bret Hart Not being worthy of being inducted...or being Less deserving than Randy ...That is just Ludicris. Just had to say my peace..
THTRobtaylor
Once & Future Wrestlezone Columnist
Whether you believe the "myth" or not... Stephanie definitely has had some major say lately on things involving her personal life, refusing to televise the wedding, refusing an incest angle... it is extremely rare for Vince to be denied anything by anyone....You could just imagine her saying.."I'll do it...if you re-hire Randy Savage..." to which Vince would back off right away if there was any substance... Ultimately it makes no difference if anything happened or not... Savage deserves his place in the HOF as much as Hogan did... if only for his part in the recognised "Best WM Match ever..." .... If this WM is truly gonna be Hogan's last as he has hinted, then next year will probably see Savage...failing that, there is one match that would fit Hogan's detroit vision for his last WM...and it is Savage... in some kind of "shoot" fight... That would probably break records again lol... failing that Just have Steamboat collect the award for both guys for that match...
Mrs.Miz said:
Really?? I wasn't aware that Wrestlemania IX X and XII were considered great wrestlemanias? Those were three of the wrestlemanias that Bret Hart headlined and I think the only three that he headlined. I am pretty sure that WWE was selling a lot more tickets when Savage was headlining Wrestlemania IV V and VIII. Not to mention, Savage had to share the spotlight with the Babe Ruth of wrestling. Who did Bret Hart have to share it with? Guys not even close to the caliber of Savage or Hogan. Randy Savage made a significant difference for WCW, what did Bret Hart do for them besides get his ass knocked out by Goldberg and almost die? Dude your lame and so is that whiny little bitch Bret Hart. He was a main eventer when no one was watching wrestling.
lesnerfan222
Occasional Pre-Show
how can you say that about the greatest pro wrestler of all time savege may be a great entertainer but he is shit compared to the hitman the only people close to hart are owen angle and benoit so dont talk trash about the best there was the bes there is and the BEST there ever will beslikrik84 said:
lesnerfan222 said:
Part of being a great wrestler is being a great entertainer. Something Bret Hart wasn't. He may have been a "great mat technician" and all that other garbage, but in my opinion WWE HOF should add people in chronological order and Savage came before Hart. Not to mention Bret Hart is one of the most selfish people in wrestling history. If you know anything about the Montreal "screw job" then you know that what it all boiled down to was Hart's greed in not wanting to do what was best for the company. Bret Hart was boring dude, and was a 5 time WWF champion in one of the biggest down periods in WWE history. In fact if you recall, it wasn't until really Wrestlemania XIV when Stone Cold beat Michaels for the belt that the tide started to turn. Notice anything? Boring Bret had just entered WCW a few months prior and people started watching WWF again because they didn't have to look at his lame ass anymore. Selfish son of a bitch.
Kasey
Connoiseur of the MILF
Whoa, there, junior. First of all, The Montreal Screw Job wouldn't have ever taken place if McMahon didn't decide to mysteriously dump Hart, when Hart agreed to a low-balled 20-year contract with McMahon. Vince's only intentions were to take Hart through his home territory and drag his entire character (20 years worth of work) and dump it in the shitcan inside of one match. The big down period in wrestling (specifically the WWF) was squelched by a pair of feuds Hart co-headlined. Hart vs. Austin, and the Hart Foundation vs. DX were two of the biggest feuds in the 1990's, period. Hart was also the main mouthpiece. Even though WWF was still trailing in the ratings at that point, their crowd responses and fanbase were beyond rabid. People stopped watching WCW because their prime talent (Sting, Hart, Benoit, Guererro, and numerous others) were being wasted so that stiffs like Hogan could sport the strap. Bret Hart is so selfish because he didn't want 20 years worth of back-breaking work undone by a greedy old blue-blood who didn't want a repeat of the Madusa situation, when he in fact had a LOYAL wrestler who wanted to spend his entire career with WWF? Yeah, greedy indeed. As for Bret not being a great entertainer, it's all in what you like. Some of us watch for good WRESTLING. The rest of us usually watch to see what else is going on in the circus that is WWE.slikrik84 said:
seancarletonzero
Obsessed With Wrestling
I think Savge will be inducted soon he deserves it.
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PauLwaLL
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seancarletonzero said:
I think you should add more to your posts or you'll end being banned..
Kasey said:
Most of what you said I agree with. I just think that Savage deserved it before Hart, for two reasons. He was as big of a star in an era that was more difficult to be so because of guys like Hogan and Warrior that were so charismatic. And number two because he was 5 years ahead of Hart (at least) when his big push began. So wouldn't it make sense for wrestling to be like sports and induct guys somewhat in order? I mean Troy Aikman won more superbowls than Roger Staubach but still Staubach was in the HOF first. I obviously think both should be in but Savage either should have been in the same year as Hart or a couple of years prior. Especially since now everyone knows that his career is over and hes on to bigger and better things like his rap album. But seriously he was awesome.
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standard29er
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Randy savage really deserves the HOF but to say that brett hart isnt worthy is a little far, I would say he deserves just as much as randy savage, Brett wasent the best guy on the mic, but he did a lot of good for the company, he was in the one of the worst times for the wwf but he was such a good mat wrestle which is why he has a huge fan base, not to mention he put over one of the biggest attitude era guys, steve austin, Brett put him over so well. He helped out with hbks too but thats a little differnt cuz they hated each other. But Brett was all around great.
Banned Dysturbed
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I can't stress this enough this isn't the legit hof. Someone that hasn't even competed in WWE able to be a member if someone decides to throw them in. It's a matter of someone saying "lets induct so and so" and someone saying ok or no. I don't know why you guys are getting so worked up. The pro wrestling hall of fame is the one with the induction process that involves a lot of members doing the decision making and an extensive process. If someone like Savage doesn't end up there, then it's more of an issue.. Really the WWE HOF is not much different than any of us making a list of people that we want to be in it. Sure being respected by a former boss is meaningful, but really, if a wrestler were to have a choice, do you really think they'd prefer the WWE HOF to the real one? It's highly doubtful.
http://www.pwhf.org/ is the link to the real hof.
http://www.pwhf.org/about/about.asp is a list of the board of directors and selection committee
There is ballot and voting process, and plenty of criteria. There is a lot of work that goes into someone making it and you guys are concerned about the HOF that's essentially a gimmick?
http://www.pwhf.org/ is the link to the real hof.
http://www.pwhf.org/about/about.asp is a list of the board of directors and selection committee
There is ballot and voting process, and plenty of criteria. There is a lot of work that goes into someone making it and you guys are concerned about the HOF that's essentially a gimmick?
Kasey
Connoiseur of the MILF
Not necessarily. Hart was born into wrestling and was revolutionizing cruiserweight wrestling with Dynamite Kid while Poffo was dinking around the south fiddling with his first gimmick. You are right that he received his first push before Hart, and no one is disputing that. However, Hart's resume is bigger than Savage's is when it comes to how many times he's worn gold in WWF. I'd never be one to dispute Savage as I always felt he was Ric Flair done correctly and I appreciate the hell out of what he could do in the ring. Hart even said that he patterned a lot of his career after Randy Savage. Get in mind that this was in the run-up to his Ironman match at WMXII in 1996. This was during a time when Vince was mocking Randy by calling him the Nacho Man, but Hart still had the honor and decency to claim one of his inspirations during a promo. I personally think it should be a rule to have someone retired from active competition for at least five years before consideration. This way we don't have to deal with two situations that irritated the hell out of me. The first was Hulk Hogan. He's in the Hall of Fame. Now if someone can tell me how he merits that when he keeps coming back AFTER he's received induction to drag his own legacy through the mud by attempting to wrestle. What a disgrace. The second pissed me off to no end. It was Eddy Guererro. They were so keen on inducting him AFTER the fact that he passed away. While he was alive they were so grateful for his talent that they ran him into the ground like they did Angle and Benoit. He had no significant push other than the Kramer vs. Kramer angle with Rey Mysterio, and then being Batista's Buddy?!? Not to mention using his name in a current angle that is a perfect example of why the creative wizards in Stamford should have their collective asses kicked up between their shoulder blades.slikrik84 said:
Kasey
Connoiseur of the MILF
You're right I suppose. But the sad thing is that the WWE HOF is the only one that actually gets coverage with the mainstream. If the REAL Hall of Fame did, that would be awesome. TNA should become friendly with them like WCW was with PWI back in the day.Dysturbed said:
Where is Macho, BTW? The last I saw or heard of him was in Spiderman. I always loved Macho. The eye of the madness and all that. He was a sick son of a bitch, and should not just go into the HOF, but also should be brought back in some form. I'd like to see him again.
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I have heard that Randy Savage will be on the next season of the surreal life, and by the way "dude" I'm a lady. I'd like to stress that i'm all for Macho Man being inducted into the HOF...hell in a room of about 10 people I was the only person not cheering for Hogan during Wreslemania V...lets face it we all know he had lust in his eyes for Miss Elizabeth(R.I.P)...ok off topic..as for Bret my opinion will not change, I am not comparing the two as they both had different wrestling/entertaining styles all together. Bret served the company and served them extremely well, and is without any doubt deserving of his spot. And I may be biased but i seen nothing wrong with bret's mic work.
