WCW Region, Lexington Subregion, First Round: (14) Big Daddy vs. (19) Sid Vicious

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Who Wins This Matchup?

  1. Big Daddy

  2. Sid Vicious

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  1. klunderbunker

    klunderbunker Welcome to My (And Not Sly's) House

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    This is a first round match in the WCW Region, Lexington Subregion. It is a standard one on one match held under WCW Rules. It will be held at Rupp Arena in Lexington, Kentucky.

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    #14. Big Daddy

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    #19. Sid Vicious



    Polls will be open for three days following a one day period for discussion. Voting will be based on who you feel is the greater of the two competitors. Post your reasons for why your pick should win below. Remember that this is non-spam and the most votes in the poll win. Any ties will be broken by the amount of posts of support for each candidate, with one vote per poster.

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  2. FunKay the Inevitable

    FunKay the Inevitable People Like Me, We Don't Play

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    How is Sid going to powerbomb Big Daddy? Seriously, that's the one question that I keep thinking over and over. Did Sid ever win a match without the powerbomb? That's another. Is Sid a bigger star than Big Daddy? That's one I can tell you the answer to right now. No.

    Big Daddy's a powerful, large, cumbersome man and just happens to be the biggest (both physically and metaphorically) star to come from these (British) shores. He's a house-hold name the country over and the prime minister herself *shudder* was a fan of his during his prime. And when Daddy's star power waned, so did the entire wrestling scene in the UK. In many ways he was British wrestling.

    Sid's well known in the States for sure. He's probably known the world over to the likes of us, those hardcore/long-standing wrestling fans. But he's not a major star. Sure he's got those two Mania main events and a few world title reigns, but those are a combination of luck and Sid's physical presence. When that physical presence is rendered mute and he can't use luck (or his home run finisher) how's he going to beat Big Daddy?
     
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  3. Bagpipes

    Bagpipes Top Guys Out

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    Sid would get the big man up for the powerbomb finisher. Daddy was billed at 6'6 375 lbs. Sid hit the powerbomb on Kevin Nash (6'9, 317), Taker (6'10, 299), and Bubba Dudley (6'4, 326) and while Daddy certainly has slightly more girth to him than those three guys, The Self-Proclaimed Master and Ruler of the World always has the chokeslam to fall back on.

    Plus I'd be willing to bet the majority of the crowd in Lexington, Kentucky would mistake Big Daddy for King Kong Bundy so there's really only one logical choice as to who goes over in this bout.
     
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  4. FitFinlay4Life

    FitFinlay4Life What's the craic?

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    Two big men who specialized in squash matches and if this was in the British Isles, Daddy would likely as not stroll this. Fortunately it's in Kentucky and his standing in Britain means sod all and the two time WCW World Heavyweight Champion would destroy poor old Shirley easy (easy, easy).
     
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  5. Bernkastel

    Bernkastel Reaper of Miracles
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    People are already wanking match location. Oh boy...

    Should it matter where the match takes place? Realistically Daddy would never work in an area that he didn't know or didn't know him. On neutral ground the promoters would chose the bigger star to go forward and that's Big Daddy. Usually Daddy gets a rough draw and goes out early, but Sid isn't one of those draws.

    Sid was no where near as popular or as revered as Daddy. Neither guy was Lou Thesz, or even Hulk Hogan, when it came to ability. Sid couldn't come off the top rope without breaking a leg. Daddy was known for putting away big guys. That was his whole shtick of conquering monsters. Sid wouldn't be any different.

    Don't let location fool you. Daddy was the bigger star and was more important to the wrestling industry. He should go forward.
     
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  6. FitFinlay4Life

    FitFinlay4Life What's the craic?

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    El Santo beat the Rock and Sting solely because of location; why shouldn't location matter here?

    As for popularity, wrestling was massive before Daddy in the UK, it was nothing after him. Being pushed and pushed by big brother got too much and when UK fans got a look at big muscular guys like Hogan, Warrior and Sid who were capable of going more than two or three minutes without blowing up - ITV dropped wrestling and Sky made the WWF one of their marque products (to the extent only soccer was more watched). Another thing about Sid is that he was IMMENSELY over, people wanted him to kick Hogan's ass and cheered like mad when he attacked poor old Jose.

    Made his name beating monsters? Well, there was Giant Haystacks and... Giant Haystacks who could even be remotely compared to Sid. One guy?

    Plus, Sid completely wipes the floor with Daddy in accomplishments - 4 World Title reigns vs... zip, nil, nadda! Big Daddy never won a single championship. Shirley Crabtree spent the majority of his popularity prime playing the hot tag for some poor wee blue eye who had to play Ricky Morton for the vast majority of the match only for Daddy to take the glory with minimal effort.

    Sid Eudy may be no Saint... but wrestling in his country didn't go extinct under his watch either.
     
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  7. Bernkastel

    Bernkastel Reaper of Miracles
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    Location helped. But I stood by and will continue to stand by Santo being better than either of those guys regardless of location.

    It was big, but Big Daddy took mainstream British wrestling to new heights. That can't be denied. Name one domestic British wrestler bigger than Daddy. It can't be done. Bert Assirati was a big star and so was Mick McManus, but neither can boast the sheer drawing power or charisma that Daddy had.

    The show was never dropped. It was forced to share it's air time. Daddy himself still remained popular until his retirement.

    But he was never over to the extent Daddy was. Just because he was regulated to one area doesn't mean much. He was far more popular in the UK than Sid ever has in the States. To a non comparable level. Sammartino was pretty much big only in one area for most of his career. Should we vote him out early too, and to someone that was never a top era star in the WWE?

    How so? Haystacks himself was a big draw in Britain. His death made front page news. He was a household name. Sid's popularity waned as soon as he left WWE.

    Jack Swagger, Khali, Christian and R-Truth are all world champions. Are they better than Daddy? Daddy was a headliner in the UK for longer than Sid was in the WWE. He drew far more money and had greater marketability and mainstream appeal.

    And? I don't see how that matters. Fans of Daddy didn't think it mattered. Clearly. Or else they would have stopped coming or would have started cheering the Ricky Mortons. Plus that move extended Daddy's career and appeal.

    He was never the US's biggest star either. Daddy was the UK's biggest star so it makes sense for internet in a domestic product to wan once the biggest star retires. It's happened in the past several times. It's not a detriment to Daddy at all.
     
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  8. FitFinlay4Life

    FitFinlay4Life What's the craic?

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    That's your prerogative but fact is that Santo got decimated once he lost his home field advantage.

    McManus can easily be compared in influence - 20million people tuned in to (hopefully) see him lose in 1963.

    It was dropped. ITV tried mixing it up when ratings started to drop and, in the end, had to give up - especially when the WWF was taken to hearts on Sky TV. Yes, fanatics would still go to see him live but people wouldn't watch him live on TV and the Summer Holiday Camp circuit didn't compare to the 70s heyday.

    Sammartino was a champion who defended his belt one on one in long hard fought matches so pretty much the epitome of chalk and cheese.

    Britain had three television stations when Daddy and Haystacks were at their pomp. Saturday was a day when the vast majority of the country was off, the top face and heel being major celebrities was a cert. Once there was competition, Joint Promotions was in trouble.

    As big as Daddy was, not once was it suggested that he could fill Wembley Stadium yet the WWF did and every other venue they hit in the UK. WCW did the same. Sid was one of wrestling's biggest names during this period. With the above names, SmackDown also sold out major British venues despite it only being the B show, house shows.

    This wasn't to prolong his career; Daddy was lazy - pure and simple. Fans stopped watching or switched to watching guys like Sid in the WWF.

    Interest waned long before Daddy retired. He went from headlining the Wembley Arena in front of a TV audience of millions and millions to performing at Butlins while many of the guys who had to suffer under his watch made names for themselves in the Orient and the US.
     
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  9. Hollywood Naitch

    Hollywood Naitch The current reigning and defending

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    Even as an Englishman, I refuse to vote Big Daddy. Yes he was a big star, yes he is arguably the most famous UK wrestler ever (except maybe The British Bulldog) but my GOD was he awful.

    Immobile, morbidly obese and with an incredibly limited moveset- did he have a move besides the splash? Sid is not in any way great, but I'd pay good money to see him chokeslam Big Daddy and pin him for the 3 count.
     
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  10. Y 2 Jake

    Y 2 Jake Slightly Autistic

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    If you'd pay good money to see Sid chokeslam Big Daddy then that's another tick in Daddy's column. You wouldn't be paying because you like Sid, You'd be paying to see long time draw Big Daddy because you hate him and want to see him get his comeuppance.
     
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  11. MrMojoRisin

    MrMojoRisin Championship Contender

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    Is Shirley Crabtree promoting this match? Because that was one of the key ingredients to him getting over like he did in the UK. Seriously, that was pretty much it. He booked himself to win strong in a time when that mattered more than anything, and his act caught on as a result. Of course that wasn't everything, but that did have a lot to do with it.

    The guy was a horrible wrestler though, and there is a big reason why he never worked outside of his own promotion. Because anywhere else, the best he could have hoped for was a short monster heel run before being fed to a babyface.

    Location makes all the difference in the world here. In his own promotion, Big Daddy goes over in a squash. Anywhere else, he goes as long as his opponent can carry him for before doing the honors.

    Sid wins this one easily.
     
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  12. Tastycles

    Tastycles Turn Bayley heel

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    It's as if that's the point of wrestling.

    Listen, its now 30 years since Big Daddy was on TV, and the majority of people still know who he is. 99.9% of the public would say "the guy out of the Sex Pistols who stabbed his girlfriend to death" to answer the question "Who is Sid Vicious?" The fact is Big Daddy was a household name where he wrestled is important. The fact that he never lost and he's against captain transitional champion should make the outcome inevitable. Big Daddy wins.

    EASY! EASY! EASY!
     
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  13. Mr. Artistic guy

    Mr. Artistic guy Better Off This Way

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    Year upon year I'm told that Big Daddy is a legend is a household name in Britain. Despite the fact that I debate that very notion, so is Michael Hesseltine or Dale Winton, and that doesn't sit you in exactly infamous company.

    Big Daddy is a guy who's shitck would be most well suited to holiday park matches. He's a pantomime performer. He's not all as popular over here as people elsewhere like to believe. If I talk to older folks about wrestling they'll tell me about Hulk Hogan and Ric Flair and their ilk, and not Mr. Crabtree.

    I'll take a genetic mutation gone horribly wrong over the often vastly overstated cultural significance and wrestling stagnation that was the career of Big Daddy.
     
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  14. Dmbfantomas

    Dmbfantomas Bald Billy was Better

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    I don't know shit, crybaby!

    I would rather watch Sid try to do a promo in Spanish than watch Big Daddy attempt to do physical things. Sid may be the worst wrestler to main event multiple Wrestlemanias...but it also kinda shows that he was big enough at the time to do so.
     
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