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Was WWE every meant to really be about wrestling?

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Okay guys, I will be first to admit, I am a fairly new fan to professional wrestling only watching in the doomsdays of the last couple of years, however I have seen a lot of the best matches recommended by people via the internet, so I think I know what i'm talking about just a little when I say...was it ever about wrestling?

I'll give you guys that every once in awhile you saw a guy that was the total package, great wrestler awesome on the stick. Although when you look at the first person to make Pro Wrestling "happen" it was Hogan, someone who couldn't wrestle in his prime, yet he was the face of the company because he could talk.

While there are countless examples of this with other wrestlers even from that area where people were better in the ring than people now (arguably)

Then when you look at the superstars of today with Cena and Miz (probably both in top 3 for best of the company) They are also, like Hogan while being better in the ring still mostly about the mic work...

So did WWE really ever want to be about wrestling? Or was it just the base to this soap opera it's become?
 
Well until recently, that second "W" stood for "wrestling." Back in the day, they usually referred to the title as the "World Wrestling Federation Championship." Storylines were also usually about wrestling and holding the title was seen as a huge deal.
 
In the beginning, WWE was about wrestling. However, Vince McMahon realized there was more money to be made in entertainment than in actual wrestling. That's how he separated himself from the small wrestling organizations. He puts a product out there on TV and in the arenas. That product combines wrestling, entertainment, and story-telling. WWF/WWE evolved with the times. Vince realized to make more money, he had to make his product appeal to more people, not just dorks that cared about the technical aspects of wrestling.
 
It's almost always been about both wrestling and entertainment, but still more toward the entertainment side. Wrestling was never going to be a real longterm alternative to other sports with it's pure athletics, so something was needed to keep the crowd coming back. Before it was called World Wrestling Entertainment, it was called World Wrestling Federation Entertainment. The entertainment in the name was never mentioned, but it never had to be because you knew it was there because that's what you were watching, entertainment. Even in The Attitude Era and 80s Boom everything was about brawling to show their hatred, but promos and other segments to show the emotion, which is still what goes on today.
 
No, it was alway's sports-entertainment.

The "wrestling" is what you see in the ring. The entertainment is everything else. Promo's, backstage skit's, storyline's, celebrity guest, movies, music.

That's what branched the WWE away from the territories in the 80's. While the other territories were solely base on wrestling, the WWE was based on the entertainment aspect as well. Which made WWE superior and eventually all the other territories folded.

It's never been soley wrestling. If you want soley wrestling, you can go watch amature wrestling, or college wrestling. Pro-Wrestling, or sport's entertianment is what the three major wrestling companies are today. WWE, TNA, and ROH are all sport's-entertainment.

WWE has alway's been sport-entertainment since Vince McMahon bought the company from his father.
 
I have been watching WWF/E for nearly 16 years now. Yes back in the mid 90's to the early 00's it was about wrestling / Entertainment but more about wrestling, but when the WWF turned WWE in 2002 the last letter on the WWE logo (E) "Entertainment" wasn't taken seriously as a sport or a non sport and I say Vince had a long thing about how he and this business can be taken seriously and not been taken as a joke. So that's why you see today's WWE more as a Soap Opera then it is as wrestling company and that's why u see the PG Era as well because Vince wants the WWE to be a family show, and a show of entertainment. :)
 
The thing is many forget this, when the WWE was called WWF, that was never the full name of the company. The company was called WWFE (World Wrestling Federation Entertainment). It reflected the company on one hand you had wrestlers go out and perform wrestling (and in some cases proper UFC type wrestling) whilst on the other had the entertainment aspect. Nothing has changed but people are too caught up with the whole PG era (despite spending a good 90% of its life being PG) and the name change (Which ironically also drops the word entertainment, yet nobody picked up on this).

It will also have both, just look at the Rock n Wrestling era that is a perfect example of showing you its a mix and always has been.
 
Vince McMahon had a different vision for his wrestling company when he bought the WWF from his father. Vince wanted to do things with his company that pro wrestling had never done. For one thing, Vince wanted to make his company into a national, and even international, wrestling company. In order to do this, he had to make his company different from all the others. Starting in the mid 80s with Hulk Hogan, the WWF became part of mainstream entertainment. At the first WrestleMania, there were a lot of well known celebrities that took part. Musical legend Ray Charles sang America The Beautiful and sang the shit out of it. Muhammad Ali was running around, arguably the greatest professional athlete in American history. Cyndi Lauper, the biggest female pop star in the world at that time, played a role in a prominent storyline. Mr. T, the biggest tv star in America at that time, wrestled in the main event, etc. Vince McMahon took a gamble on putting together a show that brought in a lot of mainstream media big wigs at the time and it paid off. The WWF was everywhere and it just kept getting bigger.

Some might ask why Vince wanted to take the WWF in that direction as a "national" company. The reason, at least one of them, is that Vince was smart enough to know and to see that the Territory System of the NWA was rapidly becomong obsolete. With the advent of cable television, the writing was already on the wall. When cable started become more and more available throughout the country, the Territory System was irrelevant. Part of what made the Territory System so viable was the fact that you could only see certain wrestlers at certain times. For instance, if you lived in Florida and were a fan of Dusty Rhodes back in the day, then you had to wait for Rhodes to come back and work in Championship Wrestling from Florida to see him do his thing. But when cable tv became more widely available and companies began using syndication, you could potentially see Dusty Rhodes when you wanted no matter if he was wrestling in Tampa or Los Angeles. Vince knew that times were changing and, most importantly, he knew that he had to change with the times or the WWF was going to go the way of the dinosaur. Changes didn't just include expanding the WWF's territory, it came in the way WWF marketed itself and its wrestlers. They were much more colorful, more charismatic than most of their contemporaries. The quality of production in the WWF was often vastly superior to everyone else and so on and so forth. And Vince changed with the times and his company flourished while the wrestling promotions during the 80s all over North America dropped like flies.

Wrestling "purists" might not like a lot of what they see with the WWE and that's all well and good. However, to succeed on the WWE's level, and by that I mean making money, average fans simply aren't going to respond to a program that's comprised almost entirely of wrestling matches. From what I understand, Ring of Honor's televosion show went that route and look what happened to them: they were getting the ratings that HDNet was hoping for and they got cancelled. We all know that wrestling is "fake" and, because of that, it needs something extra to hook the fans and keep them interested. It's not like MMA where there's legit competition going on. The fact that most MMA fighters have the personalities of fungus growing on the underside of a rock doesn't matter because the thrill provided by watching real fights makes up for that.

What is it that makes so many people feel that a company should limit itself so much? What's the harm in wanting to make WWE more than "just a wrestling company" exactly? The core product continues to be wrestling, but what's wrong with wanting to grow and encompasse more than just pro wrestling? Personally, I think that far too many "wrestling purists" have forgotten or outright try to ignore a simple basic fact: professional wrestling is supposed to be a business, not a fantasy league to cater to the momentary whims of fans with small attention spans and narrow minded views. At the end of the day, it's about making money. These guys sure as shit don't put their bodies through the rigors that they do for the hell of it and anything that can put more money in their pockets is what they want. Any wrestling company in the world whether it be AAA, CMLL, TNA, ROH or whomever would trade spots with the WWE in a heartbeat if they could.
 
It's amazing that no one has seen this formula that I'm about to give. I hope it does well, and makes something happen for this argument to end.

Wrestling = Entertainment, Entertainment = Wrestling.

I hope this really works out. I hope we got that out of the way.

First of all, just because the WWE doesn't call it wrestling, doesn't mean wrestling is dead. If you remember when Obama took over, one of his first big things was, not to call it the War on Terrorism, but the Spreading of Peace. It was something on that matter. Well, he still order Terrorists to be killed, so it's kind of the same damn thing.

Gorgeous George, during the 1920s and 1930s wore a robe, and came out to a really snooty character. People came all over the world to see him get his ass beat. Over the top characters have been around for awhile. Just the WWE prefers to produce them, then have a realistic character come out. That's what they do. I'm not going to get upset about it.

Wrestling will always be entertainment, and entertainment will always be part of wrestling. No matter if you call it Sports-Entertainment or Rasslin! It's entertaining, and that's it!
 
I don't think the WWE isn't anti-wrestling.. I just think a lot of people are delusional about what pro rasstlin' really is. It isn't suppose to be an ultra-competitive, everyone wants to go down on each other sport. It is suppose to boil down to two or more people hating each other. Casual wrestling fans don't want to see handshakes out of respect or backflips for the sake of doing a backflip, they want to see some emotion from the performers. After all, the shit is fake, most watching know it's fake and accept that it is fake.
 
I just had to post this haha

But anyways, it's always gonna be entertainment as well, like everyone is saying. Some fans like the promos, some like the wrestling.
Better to the company to get more of a variety of the audience because that means more money.
 
It never was about wrestling, that is the whole reason that WWWF, the stating name of WWE, broke away from its parent, the NWA. Vince thought there would be more money and business in more entertainment than wrestling and he was right. The business, even if if is like a soap opera makes a lot of money each year.
 
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