Tyson Kidd and Daniel Bryan Are Boring

[Paralyzer Z]

I'm not going to watch the video, because I don't give a shit but what I will point out is that none of whats in that video has probably happened while he was in the WWE. He's not showing us anything in the WWE, and at this point thats all that matters.

Sure he's been wrestling for 15 years, sure he's had some great matches, sure he's probably a great wrestler, but most of us haven't/won't see any of those matches. Since were not seeing any of that from him in the WWE, and because the WWE is the only place where his actual talent matters, he can be classified as BORING.

Booker T and Christian are both former TNA/NWA chapions, but when it comes to the accomplishments that are mentioned on WWE TV they only mention accomplishments from WCW and WWE. Henry and Christian are both former ECW World Champs, but they don't get those title runs added to their list of World Titles on TV.

What any wrestler has done in the past in other federations, doesn't mean anything in the WWE. Why? Because it didn't happen in the WWE.

well then I gues you will enjoy this one much more

[YOUTUBE]T1fzpcUToTw[/YOUTUBE]

THIS proves that what he has done in WWE is great wrestling. He nor kidd (to a certain extent) are not boring!

 

[Wicked Valentine]

I like DBD a lot, and i'm entertained everytime i see him in a match. With that being said, i do think he needs to show more personality and lately he's making a very good effort in that direction. I'm excited to see how much more he's going to progress.

As for Tyson...i haven't seen much of him so i can't say if he's great or if he sucks(i recently started watching wrestling again after a 3-5 month hiatus) But he also needs a real personality. Otherwise he really is just another boring jobber no one really cares about.

 

[Ralf E. Chubbs]

you bash this thread and yet give no opinion on kidd or bryan. Idiot

So the OP still claims that daniel bryan fails to show any emotion when wrestling for world wrestling entertaninment huh. HE SHOWS EMOTION WHEN SELLING IN THE RING!. Usually I am on the oposite side of a discusion that involves selling or storytelling but we are talking about daniel bryan. I will put this in a simple way, pain is emotion you know? He doesnt have to scream at the crowd to show he is good. What about when he does the filip of the top rope when his opponent is running at him? He yells at the crowd after that.

If daniel bryan is able to get a reaction out of the crowd then he is not boring!

I never bashed this thread, merely the piling on of the OP when his points actually have merit.

I never talked about emotion, just the fact that his in ring work is boring. We saw it again Friday night. We all know he's great given the opportunity but his character needs a makeover... and fast.

Every single wrestler gets a reaction out of the crowd... it's the ones who garner constant reaction that matter.

Before getting all Hulk on me, perhaps you should reread my post and figure out if I've given my opinion on DBD- before calling me an idiot.

 

[xoxo French Kiss xoxo]

well then I gues you will enjoy this one much more

[YOUTUBE]T1fzpcUToTw[/YOUTUBE]

THIS proves that what he has done in WWE is great wrestling. He nor kidd (to a certain extent) are not boring!

I'm still not impressed, and he is still boring.

The WWE might as well pair him back up with Otunga and McGillicutty so they can form the Boringest Stable in WWE History, next to the Corre

 

[The Champ]

You know, as much as people hate Michael Cole, he's right when he says that you're not going to make it in WWE if you have no personality and no charisma. Not that I think that necessarily applies to Daniel Bryan, as from what I've seen he's not too bad of a promo when he's given the chance. But he doesn't captivate the audience in the same way that, say, a John Cena or a CM Punk does. He relies heavily on his wrestling, which is cool, but to get to that next level he's going to need to develop his persona more. Whether it's as an underdog or a hard worker or a badass, he needs to let the crowd know who Daniel Bryan is and why they should cheer for him, and most importantly, why he's worthy of a WrestleMania world title match. And you could say the same thing about a Tyson Kidd or any somewhat bland guy that they're trying to push. It doesn't work unless the crowd is behind him.

 

[Miz_Mark]

No disrespect to you Miz_Mark but honestly...... We should, people should care more about what a person does in the ring, rather than what he does on the Mic. Your saying that its more important for the WWE period to be all about entertaining us in on the Microphone and not in the ring...

I respect what you say about charisma and the assessment is true only because sure... Thats what the "E" and most fans want..But its all about wrestling skills more so to me than Mic skills.

Which is perhaps the reason why you and others love The Miz, people like you prefer just a wrestler being charismatic and sub par in the ring. And there is people like me that are all about wrestling skill. So when it comes to me, i prefer a "Daniel Bryan" over a "Miz" just like all time wise.. I'm a HBK/Kurt Angle guy compared to most that are a Hulk Hogan/Stone cold guy.

Sometimes charisma can be done in the ring with actions, rather than words on the microphone. Thats just the way i see things.

No disrespect taken, sir, very reasonably stated, that is what we're here for. To be clear, it's not that I think charisma is everything and ring work is nothing, but charisma can make up for a somewhat lacking ring resume far better than the reverse. And, I must say, I don't think you're saying that you're an HBK/Angle guy is really making the point you're looking for. HBK and Angle both have charisma in spades, they can do it all. HBK is one of the greatest ever and Angle was my personal favorite until the Miz started wowing me. Also, I feel I have to point out, Miz is not bad in the ring. Miz may not do a million moves, but everything he does he does well, he always makes a match interesting and makes every outing seem important. He's amazing a psychology and story telling in the ring. LOVE Miz. He and Punk are the best things going in WWE today.

he held the WCW Title because WCW really didn't want him to get away;

Actually, the decision was reversed because Sid Vicious' foot was under the ropes, so technically he never held the WCW title.

He was already a cult icon from ECW by the time he got to WCW.

Anyone who does anything well is going to be a cult icon with one group or another. The phrase is largely meaningless.

Eddie only got one World Title reign, Jericho blew up despite the WWF letting him linger until the crowd made them notice (the night he beat HHH for the title,), not to mention he was wrestling Chyna for the Intercontinental Title, and, (I'm probably going to get so much heat for saying this,) Rey didn't get his title run until it was the sympathy story for Eddie. I'm sorry to say that, but I'm not saying whether or not Rey deserved it; I'm saying it's why the WWE pulled the trigger and did it. Benoit has only been dead for four years, and it amazes me how people already seem to be forgetting how great he was.

First of all, Eddie stayed in the main event after losing the title. Benoit did not. Second of all, had Eddie lived 1 more day, he would have gotten a second World title, and had he lived a few more years, doubtless more. More importantly, Eddie was always a part of entertaining television, inside the ring, or out, bottom of the card or top. This cannot be said for Benoit.
Jericho is a 6 time world champion, and is the guy who is known to be the guy who can work with anyone and make anyone big. And WWE brought Jericho in to be a big name immediately, but, by his own admission, due to his own missteps and mistakes he sidetracked that push. Rey never deserved to be world champion.

1) Benoit had more than one world championship in his career

No, he didn't.

2) Success in WWF isn't everything

But it is the biggest and grandest stage the industry has to offer, and is also the only place Benoit ever held the World title.

3) You can tell a story with in-ring action; mic skills don't break you.

You cannot make it in this business without mic skills.

Since when does height have anything to do with anything?

I'm sorry, I mistook you for someone familiar with wrestling. Apparently you live in the land where 4'11" champions dot the horizon... We may no longer be in the era of the big man, but you're a fool if you think size doesn't matter. Being under 6' is still a serious disadvantage in the business, and being under 5'10 is even worse.

I get that he doesn't look 'roided up and sure, that'll sadly hurt his image, but Punk doesn't have that image either. I know Punk is much better than DBD as an overall performer, but image isn't everything. Despite not ever getting mic time and the knocks you give him for being small, DBD is still, obviously to a lot of people, entertaining.

Punk, like Bryan, doesn't have an abundance of muscle mass, but he still has a great *look*. His face, his tattoos, he looks like a badass and like a fighter. Daniel Bryan does not. Daniel Bryan looks like a tech specialist. Daniel Bryan may well be entertaining to some people, but I donot understand them.

I honestly don't even think DBD is the savior of pure wrestling like some people claim him to be, I just think he's a really good wrestler. But, when people start acting like poor mic skills make you boring, I wanna ask, "why do you even watch the matches, then?" Seriously, Daniel Bryan puts on entertaining matches, and is therefore entertaining. If you don't appreciate wrestling, then don't watch wrestling.

The wrestling cannot exist in a vacuum. There have to be characters and events you relate to. And Daniel Bryan fails in that regard. And because his failure is so complete in that regard, he fails to entertain me in the ring as well. Watching Daniel Bryan wrestle to me is like watching the demonstration mode in create-a-wrestler on a video game where a green body with no face executes moves. Surely, those moves are executed with presicion, but they are being executed by what comes across as a crude imitation of a person, not a compelling character.

 

[shooter_mcgavin]

You cannot make it in this business without mic skills.

Undertaker barley spoke a word during his early years and, since he returned with his Deadman gimmick in 2004, he barley had a promo to build up his matches.

Kane barley also barley spoke anything from 1998 to 2002 and he got over huge.

I still don't see the argument that Mic Skills are required for success in the business.

Does it help? Oh yes I am not denying that. But if you can be average on the mic and great in the other areas then Mic skills is not always a requirment for success. Chris Benoit and Bret Hart are such examples, they were average on the mic but exelled in other areas to get them over.

Over-emphasis on mic skills is overrated ... and so is over-empahsis on in-ring skills. The industry needs a combination of both to make it work. If you have a roster 30 guys and 27 of them are average in ring works but excellent on the mic, your product will be stale. You get the same ration in another pomotion with all inring work and, like wise, it will also get stale.

 

[shooter_mcgavin]

I would dispute the suggestion that Taker and Kane have no mic skills, and would also argue that they are hold overs from another era. However, for simplicity's sake, let me rephrase that you cannot succeed in this business without charisma.

Well not so much that they had no mic skills rather they didn't need to cut a promo to get over.

I agree Charisma is required to get by the business ... that's how you win over the crowd, some can present their charisma on the mic others in the ring in terms of showmanship.

I can even argue that Sheamus can get more over as a face if they cut his promo time.